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SUSs2peMocls
post Apr 22 2014, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 20 2014, 11:45 AM)
I tot I answered that. 2% possibility is still possible.
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Which one of your orifice did you pull that piece of statistic out from? And didn't you say statistics are stupid? Oh yeah, they're not stupid if it's your statistics because you're the final authority on what's good and bad statistics. LOL!

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Rape is rape. ONLY circumstance it's not RAPE is when you get CONSENT. And people that is drunk/passed out can't give consent. Try sink this down your head can ar? That means if she pass out; you bang wall that night la. What so difficult?
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So you found out already that she's passed out before she was gang banged, and she did not give consent prior to passing out?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
I written so far wasn't about absolving women from their responsibility to protect themselves. What I have pointed out so far after pages and hours is that when a crime is taking place
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Nope, what you've pointed out so far is that you ASSUME there's a crime taking place. And by doing so, you are absolving women from their responsibility to protect themselves.

QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Apr 21 2014, 05:51 PM)
Keep your assumption to yourself if you think I am justifying things done as if you knew me so well.
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That guy is memang like that one. He go no ammo already, then he'll just make stuff up about you, and then make personal attacks. And then he'll brush off facts that does not fit his biased world view, build his come backs based on false premise, then force his half truths and project his flaws onto others, and he will not admit his mistakes one, even when it is clearly pointed out.

So predictable talking to him that it has become boring already.

This post has been edited by s2peMocls: Apr 22 2014, 11:43 AM
SUSs2peMocls
post Apr 23 2014, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 03:20 PM)
Wikipedia. You know, only soft science CAN come out with statistics that varies more than 50%. It's almost as good as publishing anything that floats their boat.
In this case, that's exactly what you have been. doing.  laugh.gif
Difference between you using statistics and me using statistics is I don't call your statistics stupid, even though you're using extreme values, and I'm using realistic ones.

So no, it's not exactly what I have been doing. Not even close.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 03:20 PM)
It's a question still. You assume that it's consented despite how unfavorable and illogically it is.
It's illogical that it is not consented, as there are many holes in TS' story (hypothetical as it may be) as I had pointed out, which suggest more of a girl putting herself in that situation, rather than being forced. But in typical predictable fashion, you'll plow through without addressing the loopholes.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 03:20 PM)
Your assumption leads absolving men from their responsibility to protect civil rights. Worse still, simple practice not to take what doesn't belong to you.
My reasoning (you assume, I rarely do) is that innocent people be proven guilty. Was there a crime that took place in the first place? That can't even be first established, want to make noise. Fail.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 03:20 PM)
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The rest of the typical personal attack drivel ignored.
SUSs2peMocls
post Apr 23 2014, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
so, now...
If you have read my earlier post, I did say its STUPID to use any statistic from your so called soft science.
Right... like you're not quoting from soft science sources.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
Her putting herself in that circumstance equates consent to go under her pants. You born ugly means you give me consent to punch your face ar?  whistling.gif
This shows your sheer stupidity. Being born with an ugly face is beyond one's control, putting oneself in a situation to be raped, isn't. Once again you're absolving responsibility from women.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
If consented gangbang, what's logically is she will go home with a smile. Else, she is trying to blackmail those people who had intercourse with her.
There you go, assuming things again.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
The rest; I don't really know how to make sense out of it.
Not surprising.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
Beside, I wasn't even addressing the validity of the story. Just in case you have any comprehension problem.
You should ask, considering how your "reasoning" of equating drinking alcohol (putting herself in a situation "konon-nya") equates consent, was there a need for investigation? No investigation; how you know if a crime had NOT taken place in the first place?

Nothing is established here. But somehow with a twisted head, you think you passed. Happy?  doh.gif
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Yes, putting yourself in a vulnerable situation means you're asking for it.

When a guy confesses his feelings for a girl, he risks rejection and getting his feelings hurt. Why don't you blame the women in such a situation then?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 12:31 PM)
Typical narcissist. Is it whatever I say must have something to do with you?  rclxub.gif
None were actually directed to you, except the last one, MAYBE. FAIL!  doh.gif
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I didn't say it was directed at me, I said they're your typical personal attack style of response. Gosh, you are proving yourself to be quite the projectionist.
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post Apr 23 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
I'm stupid this time. Unlike you which is all the time.  whistling.gif
Don't you get that already?
You're projecting. Don't you get that already? whistling.gif

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
Hey you know you are ugly, you can cover your ugly face. That's what you have control of.
Now that you actively do not cover your face, you are actively putting yourself in a situation to be punched.
Once again, are you trying to absolve your responsibility not to freak people out with your ugly face?  doh.gif
Again you show your sheer stupidity. One can learn how to beat the crap out of the guy who tries to punch his ugly face, which will stop ALL future guys trying to punch him. That's called taking control.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
AGAIN, i'm not jousting if she if she is responsible for her own safety.
Yes you are.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
What I have pointed is this society lacks concern and empathy towards people around them. I literally have to force those statements out of the mouth of that two idiot. We need a caring society to have a more robust way to reduce crime.
Right... Ok, please tell robbers not to rob, killers not to kill. Police and alarm installers can close shop and find other jobs already.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
If the rape was real, it's a case where the rapists staged the crime whole lot better than her friends and people around to lookout for each other.
I believe that's what you call logical deduction.
I call that stupidly twisting circumstances to fit one's biased view and ignoring facts.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
Which is better than your assumption that accepting drink as consented sex as tho drunk rape don't exist.
No, yours is WAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY worse. That's how innocent people end up in jail, and guilty people go free.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
Did you just say that I have the very right to punch your face just because you don't cover your ugly face?  doh.gif
No, that's your narcissistic ego unable to accept the fact that you have a twisted view of the world.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 23 2014, 05:26 PM)
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post Apr 24 2014, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Some stats are just stupid. Obviously, you use them all the time.
Now, you call that projection.  thumbup.gif
Like I said, you want to be the judge of what is good stats and what are bad stats, as long as it suits your purpose, you don't care what they mean. No point talking to you about this anymore.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
That's one of the method GIVEN IF you can overpower him.

But what's more effective without the need to feed on tubs of protein, countless hours of krav maga, jiujutsu, or wing chun is to have a bunch of people around you agrees that it's WRONG/UNJUSTIFIABLY WRONG to punch you because you are ugly. This way, you have the support from mass of the public to beat the shit out of any guy who tries that.

That's a caring society. Plenty of empathy and concern towards others.

If the whole point you are trying to make is you wanna show that you can beat the sh*t out of any guy. Then go join professional competition and win yourself medal la.  doh.gif
Don't be stupid, or rather, be stupid. I was addressing your example of you being born with an ugly face by standing up to the guy who'd want to punch your ugly face. And you go about on a tirade about how to get everyone to think punching your ugly face is wrong, forgetting that everyone wants to punch your ugly face.

Obviously, you don't even know how to track your own arguments. No point talking to you about this anymore.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Where is that?  wink.gif
It's there, but in typical fashion, you choose to deny it.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
So what you are suggesting? Shut down the prison so that security business flourish at the expense of freedom?
You conveniently forget that your civil rights belongs to you.
I'm suggesting that you take care of what falls in the gray area.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Fact is club is a crowded place. She is surround by people and "friends'. If crime still happens, what logical deduction can you make?
It proves a big bunch of people stood by and did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Look! Who is the one ignoring facts. Only fact you MAY put on the table is she had "some" drink. That hardly proves it's consented.
Ok, so a bunch of people stood by and did nothing. That's a crime now too, huh?

How much is "some" drink. Let's face it, you don't have the whole picture, you just want to talk AS IF you're the only one with the whole picture, and failing miserably at it. Typical.
QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Comparatively, it's equally bad for the victim lives with a life time of trauma, the f*cker roam free looking for the next victim and justice is not served.
That's mean yours are not any bit better if you have comprehension ability.

Beside, don't you know making false report IS a crime? If the investigation proves that she lied, she is liable for prosecution and defamation. Just in case that it's consented, and with that in mind, it makes far more sense to go home with a smile la. shakehead.gif

Now, all because of the society think that the victim had some beer (nobody happen to give shit how much is that) at certain place which leads to a "consented" sex which serve her right that render investigation irrelevant.

I noticed that despite the barrage of non sequitur, you still haven't established the conditions that a crime has been committed.

Btw, false rape accusers know that it is against the law to file a false report, yet they still do it. Why?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Wah, you asked a question. I gave you answer. You dont like the answer and also the question that comes along, you put them as irrelevant drivel.
I asked a very simple question. Has a crime taken place? All you do is go on and on about how society does nothing, and how women who are drunk aren't giving consent, but motorcyclists who ride at 200 km/h should know better what the consequences are. Stupiak.

edit: New question - so why do false rape accusers file false rape reports?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
Ohhhh...like that...

Why ask a question that you already know you won't like the answer? F*cking idiot.  laugh.gif
I don't dislike the answer, I dislike how you DON'T answer, and then twist around pretending like you're all smart with the twisting around.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 24 2014, 12:02 PM)
I guess it's better I put you in the stupid list and ignore you.  wink.gif
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Please do.

This post has been edited by s2peMocls: Apr 24 2014, 02:20 PM

 

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