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MishimaZ
post Apr 17 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 16 2014, 05:17 PM)

I'm just angry with the society to allows dogs to live amongst men. It's not white knighting. It's just not wanting any men including YOU to live in fear just because of some stray dogs. I'm not too sure if me and you or other forumers are on the same page,
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No consent = rape. Agree with this.

Unfortunately, we cannot define rapists as strays as we can identity between strays but not wolves in sheep's clothing. Such is not society's problem anymore when it was the girl who chose to party til wee hours, shoving every bottles into her mouth that in the end allowing wolves to shove their poles into her.

No doubt no girls want to get raped but in most times their actions that can prevent it. In short, she put herself in this situation. Clearly I will never be with a clubbing girl (just me only) because to me they only know how to put themselves into such situation and then play victim on it.

QUOTE(ace.princess @ Apr 16 2014, 05:07 PM)
Depends on context. Was she drug raped? Was she flirting around, inviting unwanted attention?

There could be reasons why she did not allow him to go, perhaps it's really an all-girl party after all.

Whatever happened there, it's her behaviour and intentions that matter.

Just because she went clubbing without her bf, she shouldn't be labelled a slut. Only if she behaved in a way that attracted the attention, then yeah she's asking for it.
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How can a all girl party end up into being a toilet seat? I am damn sure she is asking for it, and deserves it.

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MishimaZ
post Apr 21 2014, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 18 2014, 04:21 PM)
Let me ask this, does the numbers of bottle she shoved into her mouth give you the right to shove your d*** into her mouth? Dont be stupid! If she got raped, she is not playing victim.

It's like saying if you left your phone on the table and it was stolen and the thief did no wrong. There is no measure of STUPIDITY to say the thief is faultless what's more for anyone to say that you are trying play victim.

You damm well that the ideal society is everyone will feel safe even they leave their stash of cash on the table or walking around naked. It is not impossible as long we don't have DOGS that succumb into their lust and greed every time. This rape case if just one of a few example. The total crime rate is the real testament of numbers of dogs living amongst us.
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Dude, I DID NOT say men have rights to shove d***s into women's mouth just because she was sober. My only stand was anyone who was raped, although a victim; hold no rights to play victim when she/he should have clearly understood the consequences of each actions, for example by shoving bottles of rums into their mouths.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 18 2014, 04:21 PM)
It's like saying if you left your phone on the table and it was stolen and the thief did no wrong. There is no measure of STUPIDITY to say the thief is faultless what's more for anyone to say that you are trying play victim.
Good analogy, granted even if the thief was guilty (we all know that) yet you couldn't do anything because you don't even know his identity, why will you want to keep blaming the thief?

Keyword: You put an expensive phone out of freewill. And you can't catch the thief. I don't want to debate about who is stupid or what la, but for sure anyone who did that and got their stuffs stolen will feel as stupid as they can be - whats the point being angry at the thief, you can't catch the specific one also?


QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 18 2014, 04:21 PM)
You damm well that the ideal society is everyone will feel safe even they leave their stash of cash on the table or walking around naked. It is not impossible as long we don't have DOGS that succumb into their lust and greed every time. This rape case if just one of a few example. The total crime rate is the real testament of numbers of dogs living amongst us.
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Lets make an example based on your analogy; given that KL is so unsafe and yet after being advised not to leave the door wide open and lock the doors but still being ignorant about it; are you going to debate and loathe how innocent you are and how AFTER you get robbed or worst getting killed when someone really did that? Seriously?

I only see rape the same way. No doubt rapists should be punished to the highest extent of law, but if every RAPE is purely seen as men's fault women do not need to hold responsibility on anything done wrong in their life.

QUOTE(akidos @ Apr 18 2014, 06:59 PM)
Im very disappointing  to majority of the ppl commenting viewing the rape victim as the culprit . As if she asked for it therefor deserve it  .
I understand some of the 3rd world countries are still having this mindset but to think , ppl here have similar mindset are quite disheartening .
I believe a women should able to run naked in the park safely . If she was rape , it is not her fault for being raped but its the rapist .

We may have to wait another 100 years to change this mindset .

Long live ppl .
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The majority DID NOT view it that way. They only view it as someone who don't love and care for themselves.

Such mindset will never change because in the end men are assumed as DOGS and RAPISTS, and women are not capable to protect themselves although they are the ones who claim they are liberated, stronk, can have it all, Selena Gomezs, mom are great, etc etc.

And good luck hoping women to run naked in the park safely without being raped; although it is very likely you are the one so perverted to want to see naked women jogging all around the world.

What hypocrisy.

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 18 2014, 11:36 PM)

We fix the dog problem. Then we can trust the place. Tadahhhh.

Is that difficult for your brain to grasp?
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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 18 2014, 11:44 PM)
Simple as thinking with your d*ck instead of you brain. I can't find any simpler description. Can you?

Edited: if I were to think with my d*ck I would have get myself a shotgun and blow your ass into pieces. BUT I'm not a dog and I got a brain. So, your @ss is pretty safe.  laugh.gif
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Dude, be serious la. I agree fixing dogs is necessary but NOT without fixing the herd mentality that others sometimes need to be held responsible themselves.

People asking how to detect dogs, instead of giving examples you call others stupid? Dude, if you think eradicating dogs is the most effective way, surely there are effective ways to detect them as well, no?

Too bad human isn't black or white. Nobody knows anybody. Applies to a meager human like me, you, and the rest of us.

And sorry, every man thinks with their upper head like it or not including you. If men start putting bullets through their brains everytime they have such thoughts I am damn sure you need to start being the first and let others to follow suit. Then there will be no man left on earth, and that is the end of mankind.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 19 2014, 01:32 AM)
Which cave are you living in? People around the world party and had fun. Those Taiwanese and Japanese clubber wears almost half of the clothes the girls wear in Malaysia. They all had a great time. I had a great time appreciating their body. If I make them happy enough, maybe I get VIP pass to their bedrooms. We all have fun. What's wrong with that?
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Okay, now it explains stuffs.... I just thought you are so self righteous til I read this.

So, when will there be a bullet to the brain?

This post has been edited by MishimaZ: Apr 21 2014, 09:51 AM
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post Apr 21 2014, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Only consequences that she MIGHT live with is liver cirrhosis. RAPE is DEFINITELY NOT one of them.
The additional consequences of being drunk in Malaysia in specific apparently to some idiot is rape. I really don't know if you are trying to justify your past action of raping a drunk woman or what. It's not acceptable. Can you agree on this?

Rape is rape. ONLY circumstance it's not RAPE is when you get CONSENT. And people that is drunk/passed out can't give consent. Try sink this down your head can ar? That means if she pass out; you bang wall that night la. What so difficult?
The only thing I agree is rape is a crime.

Keep your assumption to yourself if you think I am justifying things done as if you knew me so well.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
If a thief is not guilty. He should be called MishimaZ and not a thief.
Because all thief ALWAYS get away with their crime. It has become a f*cking NORM to live with thieves. Or maybe MishimaZ is one of few thieves in disguise.
Nice finger pointing here dude. You know what, if any thief that can steal without getting caught I really don't mind it being called MishimaZ you know, it wont offend me to the least.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Does that mean the moment the phone leaves your hand, I can go cover my face, take your phone away and say "Hey, which eye of yours saw me stealing it". That's how dumb you sounded you know?
So I had just been enlightened and told that 'theft' was presumed this way only. If that is the only argument you can bring up you win liao lo....

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Do you realize that even before any stupid point you are trying to make, you yourself will acknowledge the root of the problem.
And yet you denies it in later part of your whatever statement.  doh.gif
I never acknowledge your claims as that is only one of your diversion to avoid answering when it comes to the real deal.

What I said was purely based on my experience not some civil law acts. Who gives when you got killed or raped and the assailant can't be caught?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Do you understand the meaning of this word. CONSENT.

Eh, maybe you are not kind enough to send her home and tuck her in.
But can you at least think with you brain and leave her alone? That's a choice a MAN that respects civil rights others will do. I'm not too sure about dogs tho.  whistling.gif

Binge drinking destroys her health, doesn't reflect someone who is responsible bla bla bla. Only option you have is stay far far away from them. Still, you are NOT entitled to f*ck her without consent. Agreeable?
You know what, this is what I would had done. Leave her be. If other dogs carry her away let it be la. Why the heck would I put myself into position to protect some broad who shoved bottles into her mouth not knowing others' suffering to protect her? She do not want it, okay I get it but why the eff do she put herself into that position?

I would agree on the effing part; but what I had been emphasizing from the start is that rapists wouldn't just give a crap when free meat were tossed to them, especially when not guarded. Rapists are just no different than real dogs, regardless of what breed they are.

Of course you will still go on that eradicating rapist is the only way but rather than telling how to detect and wipe them out, you divert and divert with words like 'stupid', 'dumb', etc etc.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
No. I did say consented sex are good times. What dogs and rapist you talking about?
Dogs and are only for those who didn't get consent. Got comprehension problem?
No consent = rape. Didn't you relate rapists as dogs. I don't see see any problems using dogs and rapists as one according to your terms. What comprehension problem we are talking here?

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Well, I jog topless all the time. You are welcome to envy.
You only get to touch me if you are as hot.  brows.gif

I appreciate fine bodywork without violating their rights. It's her right to be naked. It's my right to look in that direction. Is there a written rule that I can't do that? I doubt you even know the meaning of pervert. Let me tell you what is! It's like you crawling under table like a mouse, deliberately trying to see the color of the panties. Then, your hand start to reach for your d*ck. That's not only perverted. That's gross and sick!  laugh.gif

You can't go tell her "if you are naked, you will be rape and the rapist is faultless." -  That is just dumb. They wear whatever they like la. You don't like what you are looking at; you got problem looking away? Its a free country. Or it's not?   

Unlike you, it's very likely that you will try get these hot women drunk because you THINK it's free pass to get between their legs if they are drunk enough.
A TRUE HYPOCRITE.
Oh yeah green of envy jor. Too bad other than jogging, I greet real men with punch, kick, and grapple i with my dobok/gi on and I don't see anything to be proud of or need to compare with you? rclxms.gif

Your written rule is all yours to judge on yourself, but in my context you are still as perverted even when I don't do what you just described. Hey, not to say its not wrong not to admit, I somehow believe you are hiding lots about yourself but just want to sound greater and superior so I get that. Seriously, I get that.

The problem is, I am not going to tell her "if you are naked, you will be rape and the rapist is faultless" as you assumed but instead tell her to dress decently if she do not want to end up rotting at some rubbish bin etc etc.

Do they deserve to be raped? No. But can they see what is coming? Never. But of course, as someone thinking that women should do whatever they wished and wanted for the sake of enjoying what you can see; its understandable why you will be so hostile and create illusionary images on anyone who disagrees with your ideologies.

And unlike you, I do not create illusionary stories of others that he/she will rape someone out of desperation to get laid and I don't know how you just get the idea of anyone doing that. Look who's the experienced one here. But I don't blame you. Every wolves need a sheep's skin to mold into the herd for better meat. I get that. brows.gif

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
I have nothing against being vigilant.
But i'm ALL against how the society accepting criminal living among them.
NOBODY is accepting criminals living among them. I had been saying, nobody exactly knows who are others are really are even if they are our best friends, husbands, cousings, etc etc.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Well, read again your first statement that I have bolded.
Are you an another idiot that advocates "Being drunk and raped by others is not rape"?

Are you that idiot? (It's a question btw. Please don't be too offended even if you are. )
Feel free to think I am an idiot because you had not answered my questions on your ideologies and yet barrages me and others that cannot acknowledge your beliefs that offers solution but no methodologies on how to carry those out.

Since when anyone said "Being drunk and raped by others is not rape"? Deserving or not, a rape is a rape. I judge people by character. Anyone with a right state of mind do not need to hangout at clubs and pubs and drink up until they effed themselves up; because if they do - deserve no pity in my books. Anybody can bollocks me on how righteous, chivalrous, bla bla bla but in the end men goes to clubs to check out women and bring women home or hotel.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
All I ask for is open your eyes, understand that any form of violation to civil rights is UNACCEPTABLE. From pick pocket, snatch thief, right up to rape and murder. We have Akta Jenayah for a reason. Although its implement and execution is rather hilarious at times, but nonetheless, the sole purpose is to keep the numbers of dogs. Even dogs have to think twice to grab a bone that doesn't belong to them.

The problem that makes our society sick is because they start to embrace criminal activity instead of despising them. E.g. "Being drunk and raped by others is not rape". "Stealing handphone on the table is not stealing because it's left on the table by the owners free will". That's embracing wrong doings!

Let me see what's next! someone break into your house rape your wife and daughter, murdered you. And then, the hellgate keeper blames you by saying "Don't you know KL is unsafe, why the hell you put a small lock!" then you gonna say "yeah, it's my fault?"

Woah...very clever very clever... I give you bigger round of applause than endau02. Happy?
Open what eyes when its already opened all these while? Only you will assume that everyone here that disagrees with you are stupid and less superior with you. Of course, judging from your written skills and diversion skills I tend to believe you are quite intelligent in some aspects la; I mean heck I had not seen one twisted my words so much in attempt to make me sound like a rapist or something. Memang potential corrupt lawyer. But unless you ever owned a dog, you will never know that dogs, regardless how well trained will curi makan when not eyed. Of course, I expect you to come out something that you own the best dogs in the universe that won't do this or that to refute my claims. This I don't mind letting you win loh.

Please read what I wrote about stealing your handphone analogy over and over again til you understand what I am telling you other than claiming otherwise, or else ask, okay?

If you still insist to know, okay... then if someone broke into my house and did whatever despicable crimes on me or my family because of MY OWN STUPID MISTAKES leaving the door unlocked and opened although being told so. Then the only person I will blame is ME. If I am dead and the hellguard blames me, then yes I fully accepted it because I really put the whole family in danger. I WILL FEEL STUPID FOREVER. But if I do not die that do not mean I am letting this slide and hunt these criminals down with my own hands, but given that such cases has low probability to solve how would be living on and blaming genders and society help me?

Maybe you can try taunting a rottweiler by poking your hands into the cage and beat it whatever and assume you will be safe because the dog has no single right to bite your hands off, and then blame the owner for not raising it? Wow sometimes I wonder why people still uses civil rights/military rights/political rights/ etc etc rights with instincts.

Thanks for your applause anyway.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
Thoughts are thoughts. They hurt nobody. You are trying to start a straw argument here. Gotcha!  icon_rolleyes.gif
But you said you are going to drive a bullet through ur brain if you have such hentai thoughts, I just reminding mah....


QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
That's goal shifting!
From " clearly understood the consequences of each actions, for example by shoving bottles of rums into their mouths.
to I just thought you are so self righteous til I read this.
Walao, I am just quoting what you claim mah.... who knows suddenly you change your mind and refuse to kamikaze yourself for some random hentai thoughts you had.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
How does the number of VIP passes I get has anything to do with violation of civil rights? Damm cute. whistling.gif
I shit you not, those passes ain't free. I have to EARN them!
Nothing lor.... at least you have the brain and instinct of a man too at least. Just surprised for someone who want to do a chick of some STD and drug ridden event from behind will parade on civil rights mah. So different yet so similar somehow lor. But I understand lar, men instincts mah...

Anyway wrap it up brother.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 21 2014, 12:34 PM)
I also think whooping your stupid @ss la. But is your stupid @ss whooped?

Until I get a base bat walk toward with an angry face, then you may go get yourself a rifle. Remember to say "stand right there or I will shoot" before you put a bullet between my eyes. It's self defense and you will walk away a free man.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I don't mind you whooping my stupid @ss la.... Make sure I get to buy one when I plan to setle down at my kampong someday.... If whooping my f*rking @ss can make it work harder why not. After all, what is the use of a mule? LOL.

If there is a clean fight I prefer a stand up kickboxing match, way manlier way to score settle disputes.

This post has been edited by MishimaZ: Apr 21 2014, 05:59 PM
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post Apr 23 2014, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
That's a f*ck load of assumptions! This how I'm gonna do it. Points in one side. Bull crap assumption one side.
Thought are thoughts. Who gets punished for having thoughts?  laugh.gif
What exactly are you reminding?
Er, it was written before I just got lazy to requote stuffs lah. Later some random phrases pusing here and there again oh.... rclxub.gif

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
I corrected you on the point where you said "men are assumed dogs and rapist". Hence, I said "sex if consented are good times. Not all men are dogs.
Just only those who can't keep their pants zipped. Comprehendes?
Not in my books at least.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
Are you trying to equate dressing sexily and accepting drinks with "try taunting a rottweiler by poking your hands into the cage and beat it whatever and assume you will be safe because the dog has no single right to bite your hands off"?

This is just lousy. Try harder.  laugh.gif
Was it always about the the dressing code? It is about character, anybody who did not love themselves - deserve no care from another. Its up to you to marry some bimbo that dresses with her tits jiggling out and boozing with her besties that consists of other bimbos and hot hunks.

Do you understand what most people are implying is not to put ownself in such position ah? But then, only you conclude something as consuming alchohol = consent in my books. So yea, so that is that to discuss about? You win liao lor like this.

If experienced is what you claimed, there shouldn't be any problem for you to prove my 'lousy' logic.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
That only means it's just a matter of time who is the next victim until the assailant is caught.
And all he got was maybe some jail term and worst maybe being hung which we all know is less retributive.

So, does it matter? You are still dead while your loved ones suffered and traumatized forever.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
Your only mistake is you let the fight reach your doorstep.
Yes, same as.....

A slight mistake can cost a surgeon his patient's life.

An engineer design mistakes can cost hundreds of deaths.

A wrong decision can change your life permanently.

The only people that need not face retributions usually of their actions are lawyer buruks.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
I wish you don't have to. When there comes a day you need gun to protect you home, you will soon realize what a dog life you are living. I probably long gone. Save it bro. You can put those good muscle into better use.

I written so far wasn't about absolving women from their responsibility to protect themselves. What I have pointed out so far after pages and hours is that when a crime is taking place; first thing that comes to a typical MishimaZ head is "I wanna stay out of trouble". 2nd in mind, "why the f*ck this fella put herself in such situation. *disgusted". 3rd comes in mind, "I better run to my 4 corners of my wall" and his electric dens for endau02. What MishimaZ forgotten with ability in stand kickboxing; he would rather fight ME rather than preventing the same crime that could happen to his family. This reflect how lonely everyone in this society is.  laugh.gif

I wouldn't be surprised the same shit happen in the same club over and over again. Many have pointed the loop holes in the story. Many situation where this crime could spotted. What is LEFT HERE IS A GOOD MAN TO DO THE RIGHT THING. Looks already there are already no 2 good men. I wonder how many more.  laugh.gif
Looking this way, the day will come eventually. So do I migrate to other planet or kill myself?

Okay, maybe you aren't about absolving women from their responsibility to protect themselves but still pointed out that one can only suffer of one consequence which is some kind of disease from an addiction? Still an answer that will only endanger women if that is how they thinking it; thinking its nice to accept some spiked drinks from dudes and mingling around in some ecstasy ridden VIP event.

Maybe you watch too much Ip Man or Chen Zhen or Wong Fei Hung fake movies and think one man can fight zillions or send people flying with shadow kicks and punches la. To think I was asking for a fight for instead of protecting my own family comes from you only I think? Inb4 don't watch Donnie Yen's Iceman movie. It sucks like hell and his movies are getting effed up as time goes by.

I am never surprised shit happens over and over again in such clubs because people still throw themselves in such situations for a little fun moment. I am not talking about loopholes, and in many cases even when crimes may seem obvious to you; you turn out to be a goddamn moron or creep for trying to protect them. And when shit happens, you pulak kena blame because you no warn them when it was so obvious you did. Did it ring any bells?

There is never lack of good men anywhere as you judged, but I will never claim I am flawless.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
Experienced. I am. It was inaction causing me guilt. Maybe I could have done something for her.
Perhaps, you don't mind living such guilt. Keep telling yourself it isn't your burden to carry.
Again. You are not guilty. Do something for people like this and you will only reinforce their crappy behavior instead of appreciating and changing for better. Some people just need to learn the hard way due to their stubbornness.

Not that I don't live in guilt, but I just can't have sympathy to such cases.

QUOTE(RUI @ Apr 22 2014, 12:56 AM)
P.S. Are just a blardy big bunch of...whatever you call it...
Others to judge. Your opinion alone does not count for all.

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