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TSSmartGuy1990
post Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM, updated 12y ago

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just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:34 PM

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Then what u think about the monthly rental at klcc?

I asked taukeh at digital mall pirate dvd stall, rm10k per month

Lol
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:37 PM

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80k is not a lot, for a place like dat
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Apr 13 2014, 07:34 PM)
Then what u think about the monthly rental at klcc?

I asked taukeh at digital mall pirate dvd stall, rm10k per month

Lol
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yup at klcc the 1st floor rental is so expensive
if u realise 1st floor shops semua expensive and exclusive shops

inb4 14th floor lg mahal

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Apr 13 2014, 07:34 PM)
Then what u think about the monthly rental at klcc?

I asked taukeh at digital mall pirate dvd stall, rm10k per month

Lol
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i see, wow, like that everyone who own a shop no need to work / fighting to get a job by earning rental income liao..
jelly lol~
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:39 PM

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QUOTE(weyyt @ Apr 13 2014, 07:37 PM)
80k is not a lot, for a place like dat
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i see, sorry i came from kampung... duno price... cry.gif
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:38 PM)
i see, wow, like that everyone who own a shop no need to work / fighting to get a job by earning rental income liao..
jelly lol~
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If the business can tahan one month lah

If not, die die also need to find people for rental or sell lot

I only wonder how they survive for a month only to pay the rental
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:41 PM

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what owner lari?


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post Apr 13 2014, 07:41 PM

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:44 PM

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80k if 2yrs contract ok lo

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:44 PM

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lari with how many months didn't pay? RM80k per month is normal rate for a place like that
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:44 PM

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How to cover ar ?

Gambling outlet eatn more than rm 80k every month
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Apr 13 2014, 07:40 PM)
If the business can tahan one month lah

If not, die die also need to find people for rental or sell lot

I only wonder how they survive for a month only to pay the rental
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yeah lo, curious how to tahan..

QUOTE(zeist @ Apr 13 2014, 07:41 PM)
what owner lari?
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i heard the owner's of fitness first center who rent that place at kl sentral/sooka run last week for not able to pay the 80k rental this month.

QUOTE(meow2 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:44 PM)
lari with how many months didn't pay? RM80k per month is normal rate for a place like that
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i heard the owner's of fitness first center who rent that place at kl sentral/sooka run last week for not able to pay the 80k rental this month.

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:47 PM

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Klcc bens 250k per month
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:38 PM)
i see, wow, like that everyone who own a shop no need to work / fighting to get a job by earning rental income liao..
jelly lol~
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usually they dont sell the shoplot, its belongs to the mall management.
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:46 PM)
yeah lo, curious how to tahan..
i heard the owner's of fitness first center who rent that place at kl sentral/sooka run last week for not able to pay the 80k rental this month.
i heard the owner's of fitness first center who rent that place at kl sentral/sooka run last week for not able to pay the 80k rental this month.
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The owner run away? U mean fitness first can be franchised now? The owner of that particular franchise lari?
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:50 PM

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not fitness first la..abang
infiniti gym..
yes, sudah lari

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:51 PM

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Shop mall owner lintah darat
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:53 PM

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Not fitness first.. infinite fitness @ Sooka

Edit: Im one of the affected member.. 1 year advanced payment down the drain.. joined since Nov13. We did get email from the owner with attached police report saying (1) they will stop auto debit (2) they will return all money owed.. but need time to confirm financial status, clear with creditors etc. etc.

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:55 PM

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Bens klcc 250k/month? Isnt that like sooo expensive?
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral fitness first rental RM80,000 per month, the owner lari d, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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some prime commercial rates are at rm10-12/sqf.. a megre 1,000sqf of space is edy going for rm10k-12k/mth.. tis is exclusive of utilities
no need to work?... it's the opposite, people that can generate such high return usually work vry hard using the brain more than their physical hand/feet..

it's hard work for the brain(aka lots of planning, vision, etc) and lots of courage to execute such plans..

u have these mou?.. den u is can see.. is oso work, but use different part of urself jek

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post Apr 13 2014, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Apr 13 2014, 07:50 PM)
not fitness first la..abang
infiniti gym..
yes, sudah lari
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oh, thanks for the confirmation, i edit it nao~

QUOTE(takr @ Apr 13 2014, 07:53 PM)
Not fitness first.. infinite fitness @ Sooka
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oh, thanks for the confirmation, i edit it nao~
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(flyf @ Apr 13 2014, 07:49 PM)
usually they dont sell the shoplot, its belongs to the mall management.
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ooo, i see, who is the owner of mall management, government kah?
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post Apr 13 2014, 07:59 PM

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5 years back Mid Valley secret recipe, RM60K

My cousin was engineer at IGB before, able to chit chat with the branch manager of secret recipe, according to him, 1 saturday already able to earn back the rental.

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post Apr 13 2014, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:58 PM)
ooo, i see, who is the owner of mall management, government kah?
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no, the owner of the mall will let a company to handle that, so they decide who will be the tenant, responsible for hiring cleaner , rent rate, weekly promotional activities, events etc etc.


for instance,

Mid Valley Megamall | CONTACT US
www.midvalley.com.my/ContactUs.aspx‎
Managed by IGB REIT MANAGEMENT SDN BHD (908168-A) Level 31 The Gardens South Tower Mid Valley City Lingkaran Syed Putra 59200 Kuala Lumpur
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:04 PM

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KL Sentral? ayam not suprised....

tengok KL Sentral own by who
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Renee @ Apr 13 2014, 07:59 PM)
5 years back Mid Valley secret recipe, RM60K

My cousin was engineer at IGB before, able to chit chat with the branch manager of secret recipe, according to him, 1 saturday already able to earn back the rental.
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i just can say... WOW !
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 08:05 PM)
i just can say... WOW !
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High risk high return
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Apr 13 2014, 08:08 PM)
High risk high return
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that's why those rich ppl don't surf k/, if earn banyak diam diam, if takda earn anything will become like me bising here and there.. LOL!
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 08:09 PM)
that's why those rich ppl don't surf k/, if earn banyak diam diam, if takda earn anything will become like me bising here and there.. LOL!
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Here, they all business owner
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 08:09 PM)
that's why those rich ppl don't surf k/, if earn banyak diam diam, if takda earn anything will become like me bising here and there.. LOL!
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Rich people easy to earn huge sum of money. We normal folks, dream on
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Apr 13 2014, 08:31 PM)
Rich people easy to earn huge sum of money. We normal folks, dream on
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agree, aiks...
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QUOTE(Renee @ Apr 13 2014, 07:59 PM)
5 years back Mid Valley secret recipe, RM60K

My cousin was engineer at IGB before, able to chit chat with the branch manager of secret recipe, according to him, 1 saturday already able to earn back the rental.
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a bit unrealistic la.

per person lets say RM 25 average, need 2400 customers in a single day man.
if peak hours is in 10 hours only, so average 1 hour need to serve 240 customers
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post Apr 13 2014, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 13 2014, 08:38 PM)
a bit unrealistic la.

per person lets say RM 25 average, need 2400 customers in a single day man.
if peak hours is in 10 hours only, so average 1 hour need to serve 240 customers
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i see, quite true also..
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 08:40 PM)
i see, quite true also..
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why not U enrol my Forex mentorship class i train U become Forex Dealer like George Solo


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post Apr 13 2014, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Kinitos @ Apr 13 2014, 08:41 PM)
why not U enrol my Forex mentorship class i train U become Forex Dealer like George Solo
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need pay how much, ayam poorfag from kampung..
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not suprised gym cost RM80k per mth.
Look at their place, got shower, locker, sauna, dancing class room.
how much space needed laugh.gif
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The owner thought high income sit LRT in Malaysia ar? Kesian him.
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Woah until need to run away ? Business must be bad for owner or lack planning ?
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sometimes I wonder how those business stay afloat
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QUOTE(Yam Seng @ Apr 13 2014, 08:45 PM)
The owner thought high income sit LRT in Malaysia ar? Kesian him.
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package not cheap leh, rm1k++~

QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Apr 13 2014, 08:47 PM)
sometimes I wonder how those business stay afloat
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i see, same goes here~
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Apr 13 2014, 08:47 PM)
sometimes I wonder how those business stay afloat
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some say those big business act as laundry money
the real income comes from various undetected undeclared sources
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biasa , optical shop at G floor all > RM40k rental
but their monthly sales > RM300k
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QUOTE(faizalfaizal @ Apr 13 2014, 09:05 PM)
some say those big business act as laundry money 
the real income comes from various undetected undeclared sources
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u mean massas, pubs, casinos, bars and drugs? brows.gif
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So the gym close shop?
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inb4 sungei wang BBQ rice rental 30k/mth
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QUOTE(itanium @ Apr 13 2014, 09:38 PM)
inb4 sungei wang BBQ rice rental 30k/mth
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i see, @.@~
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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u ask klcc how much le.
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Apr 13 2014, 09:30 PM)
biasa , optical shop at G floor all > RM40k rental 
but their monthly sales > RM300k
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deswai i know u make super profit.. biggrin.gif
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Optical shop mana Ada profit banyak one
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:04 PM)
deswai i know u make super profit.. biggrin.gif
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u see me good i see u good la sad.gif


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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Apr 13 2014, 10:14 PM)
u see me good i see u good la  sad.gif
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i always see u very up geh.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:15 PM)
i always see u very up geh.. biggrin.gif
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sweat.gif sweat.gif

u no come do a 1k spec from me mana good biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Apr 13 2014, 10:17 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif

u no come do a 1k spec from me mana good  biggrin.gif
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sorry ya last time that amoi optician in england optical make me buy a cartier frame liao.. one is enuf.. laugh.gif
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but strategic location with that high traffic flow could possibly translate into high business volume.. icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 13 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(AngAng26 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:20 PM)
but strategic location with that high traffic flow could possibly translate into high business volume..  icon_idea.gif
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yup
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Damn, /K/ which earn over 20k also can't affort even half of it...
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:19 PM)
sorry ya last time that amoi optician in england optical make me buy a cartier frame liao.. one is enuf.. laugh.gif
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wah lao eh......amoi very sot is it ??
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 13 2014, 10:35 PM)
wah lao eh......amoi very sot is it ??
happy ending ka  brows.gif
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got wear white coat wan.. then 1.7k habis for frame. sad.gif
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http://www.infinitifitness.com.my/

The owner betul bodoh think can run and hide eventually get caught also.

Those PT, FT and etc. are also liable under investigation.

One shit, all follow to step on it.
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Cake sense in klcc on weekdays can earn up to 10k. Summore the rental should be cheaper cuz in lg.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:19 PM)
sorry ya last time that amoi optician in england optical make me buy a cartier frame liao.. one is enuf.. laugh.gif
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wah lao eh......amoi very sot is it ??
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AEON Bandar Mahkota Cheras, rental RM3.5k per month tokeh selling modded Xbox 360 pun kena sita oleh pihak AEON because outstanding rental for few months, until court case


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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Apr 13 2014, 10:57 PM)
wah lao eh......amoi very sot is it ??
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QUOTE(Renee @ Apr 13 2014, 07:59 PM)
5 years back Mid Valley secret recipe, RM60K

My cousin was engineer at IGB before, able to chit chat with the branch manager of secret recipe, according to him, 1 saturday already able to earn back the rental.
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now i not sure. But talking back on 2003 ,11 years back, their most good business was on valentine's day revenue that whole day Rm20k++
So impossible even now 2014 ,only 1 saturday can earn back RM60k rental for net profit lar. doh.gif
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QUOTE(PhakFuhZai @ Apr 13 2014, 11:04 PM)
AEON Bandar Mahkota Cheras, rental RM3.5k per month tokeh selling modded Xbox 360 pun kena sita oleh pihak AEON because outstanding rental for few months, until court case
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haha u think selling xbox so lumayan mer? Somemore maybe go gamble and lost money this and that and betting on MU then kantoi. haha
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Rental so high not due to market price but due to goreng2

The more people goreng the higher rental and property prices are. People with money will make more $, poor guys like most of us will only complain and continue to rent while making them richer.


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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 13 2014, 11:23 PM)
Rental so high not due to market price but due to goreng2

The more people goreng the higher rental and property prices are. People with money will make more $, poor guys like most of us will only complain and continue to rent while making them richer.
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dun have so big of head then dun wear so big of hat ma.
Rm80k per month no play play. Not easy to earn that much even gym. If financial problem sure kantoi one. Must have strong financial planning. Later go gambling, buying shares this and that sure kantoi. If wanna do gym business, at least 5 million inside bank first include capital and buying all the equipments damn expensive then at least 1 million at bank for back up ah!
LOL

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Apr 13 2014, 10:37 PM)
got wear white coat wan.. then 1.7k habis for frame. sad.gif
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This one ka? Why so expensive? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 13 2014, 11:27 PM)
dun have so big of head then dun wear so big of hat ma.
Rm80k per month no play play. Not easy to earn that much even gym. If financial problem sure kantoi one. Must have strong financial planning. Later go gambling, buying shares this and that sure kantoi. If wanna do gym business, at least 5 million inside bank first include capital and buying all the equipments damn expensive then at least 1 million at bank for back up ah!
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You never know. Some of the guys here launch big big business venture just so that they can get big big bank loan. After load approve they also cabut!

But ya rental is crazy now especially in major retail complexes.
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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 13 2014, 11:42 PM)
You never know. Some of the guys here launch big big business venture just so that they can get big big bank loan. After load approve they also cabut!

But ya rental is crazy now especially in major retail complexes.
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u dun funny la. I working inside the bank for loan department. Banks wont simply approve loan for your business and they already calculated all the risk for ur business. Even u got the gym business also wont get u any loan unless you have collateral or huge money in ur bank accounts or other business generated massive income. Banks are not stupid!
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i suspect infinity took the money n cabut..they made loads of deals with company there including the 1 i work...

no need mention 80k, those times square selling RM25 dress rental oso 30-50k....each lot will cost u at least millions...but somehow still cna survive....funny rite...
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QUOTE(gheyfriend @ Apr 13 2014, 11:52 PM)
i suspect infinity took the money n cabut..they made loads of deals with company there including the 1 i work...

no need mention 80k, those times square selling RM25 dress rental oso 30-50k....each lot will cost u at least millions...but somehow still cna survive....funny rite...
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u sure selling Rm25 dress can afford pay let say 40k per month rental?
Ok, lets do simple calculation. $40000/30=$1333 per day then divide Rm25 means everyday must sell at least 53 . But selling 53 cannot break even leh because havent include operating cost like wages,electricity,and many others. I think selling 70 per day should be able to break even only @@
Can they sell 70 cloths per day? hehe
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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It's real, my colleagues kena-ed coz they are signed for package which allow bank auto debit their CC. Now they are waiting for refund. But Sooka have been hiking up their rental to their tenants that caused a lot of the tenants being guling tikar or raise the food price. The Korean bendo which is my fav raised RM2 last Nov.... cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 13 2014, 11:44 PM)
u dun funny la. I working inside the bank for loan department. Banks wont simply approve loan for your business and they already calculated all the risk for ur business. Even u got the gym business also wont get u any loan unless you have collateral or huge money in ur bank accounts or other business generated massive income. Banks are not stupid!
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Accepted banks are not stupid but are you saying that banks have not been coned into approving loans before? People giving securities which are not as valuable as what its valued to be during loan application?

Fact of the matter is....... Sorry this post is about rental and GYM business and I was just sharing my theories only la whistling.gif
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sorry ya last time that amoi optician in england optical make me buy a cartier frame liao.. one is enuf.. laugh.gif
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walao,England optical amoi usually is malay one woooo... u want also go optical88 la,more lenglui there haha

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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 14 2014, 12:00 AM)
Accepted banks are not stupid but are you saying that banks have not been coned into approving loans before? People giving securities which are not as valuable as what its valued to be during loan application?

Fact of the matter is....... Sorry this post is about rental and GYM business and I was just sharing my theories only la  whistling.gif
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i mean now la not last time. I assume this duno what infinity gym just operated for few months? So i dont think bank will approve loan for him lar, even got also must provide collateral or the owner got other business generated massive income paying huge taxes.
Haha, but i dun think this owner got lar or else no need cabut lari lor. hehe
Btw its stupid to pay Rm80k rental per month for gym business.
I not sure the rates there. Assume my place RM88 per month ler for gym rates. means to cover rental only needs to have 909 members. This not enough leh. Need 1000 members only can. Haha. 1000 members ah. its crazy!!
80000 plus the operating cost air con and electric and salaries and others need 90000++ la. crazy ba!!
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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Apr 14 2014, 12:02 AM)
walao,England optical amoi usually is malay one woooo... u want also go optical88 la,more lenglui there haha
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wei this was years ago la. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cubiclecarbonate @ Apr 13 2014, 07:40 PM)
If the business can tahan one month lah

If not, die die also need to find people for rental or sell lot

I only wonder how they survive for a month only to pay the rental
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 12:06 AM)
i mean now la not last time. I assume this duno what infinity gym just operated for few months? So i dont think bank will approve loan for him lar, even got also must provide collateral or the owner got other business generated massive income paying huge taxes.
Haha, but i dun think this owner got lar or else no need cabut lari lor. hehe
Btw its stupid to pay Rm80k rental per month for gym business.
I not sure the rates there. Assume my place RM88 per month ler for gym rates. means to cover rental only needs to have 909 members. This not enough leh. Need 1000 members only can. Haha. 1000 members ah. its crazy!!
80000 plus the operating cost air con and electric and salaries and others need 90000++ la. crazy ba!!
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Ya I also mean now la. Still happens la, depends on what level you are in your bank. News from my contacts HQ level, branches still approve AWOL loans la (yes even with the current checks and balances because humans are involve).

I think if you have a sound business model for your GYM business rental should not be a problem. Example is the gym in Mid Valley (California if not mistaken). Been there for ages and I think the rental there is about there (market rate).

Rental is unimaginable la, take for an example, restaurant in in Pavilion, rental for about 5000sqf aprox 180k (might be higher now), they have survived since the early days of the complex. Margins and cost I would say GYM is better than a restaurant ya.

edit: typo

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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 14 2014, 12:34 AM)
Ya I also mean now la. Still happens la, depends on what level you are in your bank. News from my contacts HQ level, branches still approve AWOL loans la (yes even with the current checks and balances because humans are involve).

I think if you have a sound business model for your GYM business rental should not be a problem. Example is the gym in Mid Valley (California if not mistaken). Been there for ages and I think the rental there is about there (market rate).

Rental is unimaginable la, take for an example, restaurant in in Pavilion, rental for about 5000sqf aprox 180k (might be higher now), they have survived since the early days of the complex. Margins and cost I would say GYM is better than a restaurant ya.

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u cant compare with restaraunt and gym. thats already wrong. The revenue for restaurant is so high and not fixed. Based on how well is ur foods and price. But gym, not far u can go. The same amount of members even increase also not much. Dun compare with mid valley pls doh.gif
Still the same , banks are not stupid to simply approve huge amount of loan for u. Even approve just small amount wun be million especially this tauke that cabut lari @@
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 13 2014, 11:57 PM)
u sure selling Rm25 dress can afford pay let say 40k per month rental?
Ok, lets do simple calculation. $40000/30=$1333 per day then divide Rm25 means everyday must sell at least 53 . But selling 53 cannot break even leh because havent include operating cost like wages,electricity,and many others. I think selling 70 per day should be able to break even only @@
Can they sell 70 cloths per day? hehe
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diorang tu yang jual baju *uknown kompeni* mostly they just want *cuci duit* only. they not REALLY run a bussiness. suami got money and wife interested run bussiness so just pump money. duit yang dah pump tu jadik duit legal. so u can buy house / car / hidup mcam biasa.

if u see properly like this type bussiness must be sdn bhd. smile.gif
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i'm one of the members and hopefully they will refund, already payed for 1 year subscription..sucks
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QUOTE(lemond @ Apr 14 2014, 12:43 AM)
i'm one of the members and hopefully they will refund, already payed for 1 year subscription..sucks
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can tell hw much pls?
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QUOTE(lemond @ Apr 14 2014, 12:46 AM)
RM1500++ per year
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ok let say 1550 ler. means 1 month =Rm130 ba.
Rm90000 per month(include operating cost)/130= 692 members
Haha. This gym got so many members serious? can open gang liao. lol. sure cabut lar. hahaha
Must got at least 800-900members if not i duno when only he can get back his ROI. @@
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 13 2014, 11:59 PM)
It's real, my colleagues kena-ed coz they are signed for package which allow bank auto debit their CC. Now they are waiting for refund. But Sooka have been hiking up their rental to their tenants that caused a lot of the tenants being guling tikar or raise the food price. The Korean bendo which is my fav raised RM2 last Nov.... cry.gif  cry.gif
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Wait until NU Sentral fully opens and see what will happen. I've never eaten at Sooka due to the ridiculous prices there.
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 12:50 AM)
ok let say 1550 ler. means 1 month =Rm130 ba.
Rm90000 per month(include operating cost)/130= 692 members
Haha. This gym got so many members serious? can open gang liao. lol. sure cabut lar. hahaha
Must got at least 800-900members if not i duno when only he can get back his ROI. @@
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gyms usually hav thousands of members, most of the time u dun c them in the gym cos most of them r inactive members, oni a few r active n hardcore members

n 80k for a gym is considered cheap considering the huge space needed for a gym
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Apr 14 2014, 01:01 AM)
Wait until NU Sentral fully opens and see what will happen. I've never eaten at Sooka due to the ridiculous prices there.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 14 2014, 01:05 AM)
gyms usually hav thousands of members, most of the time u dun c them in the gym cos most of them r inactive members, oni a few r active n hardcore members

n 80k for a gym is considered cheap considering the huge space needed for a gym
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doh.gif ur meaning of thousands means 2000 members in this kl sentral gym? 2000 times RM130 already 260k per month and its stupid for owner to cabut doh.gif

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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 01:14 AM)
doh.gif  ur meaning of thousands means 2000 members in this kl sentral gym? 2000 times RM130 already 260k per month and its stupid for owner to cabut  doh.gif
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i duno la, but u look at fitness first, true fitness etc usually they hav thousands of members n their rental much higher than infiniti la

mayb infiniti r nt popular enuf dats why members oso lesser lo
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QUOTE(max_cjs0101 @ Apr 14 2014, 01:01 AM)
Wait until NU Sentral fully opens and see what will happen. I've never eaten at Sooka due to the ridiculous prices there.
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TBH, comparing price between NU Sentral to Sooka, NU Sentral is like elephant to fly.
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QUOTE(rooney723 @ Apr 14 2014, 01:17 AM)
i duno la, but u look at fitness first, true fitness etc usually they hav thousands of members n their rental much higher than infiniti la

mayb infiniti r nt popular enuf dats why members oso lesser lo
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u canot duno. Must provide me with information before we can compare with established gyms. True fitness must be established gym thats why they have thousands of members. How about this infinity gym? How long they have been operating for gym business in kl sentral? If they can survived for few months means they can break even for the business. If just new business, means they have insufficient members to cover the cost of operation and tauke needs to cabut or tauke gamble lost all the money or failed in investment. So we need more information before compare.
Plus TS open the thread with RM80000 per month and tauke cabut and gave an implication that the tauke cannot afford the rental. @@
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 14 2014, 01:19 AM)
TBH, comparing price between NU Sentral to Sooka, NU Sentral is like elephant to fly.
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I am confused. NU Sentral is the elephant, or the fly?
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QUOTE(billylks @ Apr 14 2014, 01:53 AM)
I am confused. NU Sentral is the elephant, or the fly?
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NU Sentral is elephant.
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NU Sentral will also have a gym later, don't know it will survive or not. But then it will be a chained gym -- Celebrity fitness I think.
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 12:38 AM)
u cant compare with restaraunt and gym. thats already wrong. The revenue for restaurant is so high and not fixed. Based on how well is ur foods and price. But gym, not far u can go. The same amount of members even increase also not much. Dun compare with mid valley pls  doh.gif
Still the same , banks are not stupid to simply approve huge amount of loan for u. Even approve just small amount wun be million especially this tauke that cabut lari @@
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Actually if you look at business as a whole GYM is just one time investment for your equipment and renovation, which is about the same for a restaurant with different cost. I would think a GYM will require more initial investment due to the equipments required (but then who buys now a days when you could lease right?). Then day to day operation a restaurant will have cost, a GYM would not have food cost nor wastage cost. A GYM is just pure marketing and sales meaning if you can sell many many membership packages you will have good profit.

Nah I would have to disagree with you when you say restaurant is more profitable. With the correct marketing plan GYM business has a bigger potential for profit.

I would have to say you need to do more research on businesses.

Mind sharing which bank you working for?
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 12:50 AM)
ok let say 1550 ler. means 1 month =Rm130 ba.
Rm90000 per month(include operating cost)/130= 692 members
Haha. This gym got so many members serious? can open gang liao. lol. sure cabut lar. hahaha
Must got at least 800-900members if not i duno when only he can get back his ROI. @@
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bro, whilst 80k rental for gym business is ridiculous, your replies are shallow and calculations are ineffective by all means. You need to understand how the revenue in gym membership are generated. Its not like in restaurants pay per entry simple as that. Most gym subscribers are running on auto-debit, but there are some who pays lumpsum. You cannot just divide it by the tenure duration and then use simple division to estimate number of members required. Thats stupid.

Normally when a gym is newly established, its rather difficult to commit as member pool is still low. Thats why the sales force in gyms are like hookers, giving free trials and shat just to get you signed. Once you sign, ur a confirmed monthly revenue for them, normally at least for 1 year+. Some pay lumpsum of thousands initially which helps alot in mitigating costs and generate + cash flow. And by using common sense, after some time say 1 year+, you have accumulated larger pool of members who generate 10 fold income/month for you.

And dont be surprised that, not all who sub to gym will commit themself 100%. Mostly get lazy and give up after some time. Thus, new signing and compounding $ is the determinant of how they survive. Whilst in a restaurant, you have a typical number of seatings with typical number of patrons per day, but in gym no. Nevertheless, 80k is bloodsucking but not very surprising
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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 13 2014, 11:23 PM)
Rental so high not due to market price but due to goreng2

The more people goreng the higher rental and property prices are. People with money will make more $, poor guys like most of us will only complain and continue to rent while making them richer.
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 13 2014, 11:59 PM)
It's real, my colleagues kena-ed coz they are signed for package which allow bank auto debit their CC. Now they are waiting for refund. But Sooka have been hiking up their rental to their tenants that caused a lot of the tenants being guling tikar or raise the food price. The Korean bendo which is my fav raised RM2 last Nov.... cry.gif  cry.gif
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i see, sorry to hear about that..

QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 14 2014, 12:06 AM)
i mean now la not last time. I assume this duno what infinity gym just operated for few months? So i dont think bank will approve loan for him lar, even got also must provide collateral or the owner got other business generated massive income paying huge taxes.
Haha, but i dun think this owner got lar or else no need cabut lari lor. hehe
Btw its stupid to pay Rm80k rental per month for gym business.
I not sure the rates there. Assume my place RM88 per month ler for gym rates. means to cover rental only needs to have 909 members. This not enough leh. Need 1000 members only can. Haha. 1000 members ah. its crazy!!
80000 plus the operating cost air con and electric and salaries and others need 90000++ la. crazy ba!!
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bro, whilst 80k rental for gym business is ridiculous, your replies are shallow and calculations are ineffective by all means. You need to understand how the revenue in gym membership are generated. Its not like in restaurants pay per entry simple as that. Most gym subscribers are running on auto-debit, but there are some  who pays lumpsum. You cannot just divide it by the tenure duration and then use simple division to estimate number of members required. Thats stupid.

Normally when a gym is newly established, its rather difficult to commit as member pool is still low. Thats why the sales force in gyms are like hookers, giving free trials and shat just to get you signed. Once you sign, ur a confirmed monthly revenue for them, normally at least for 1 year+. Some pay lumpsum of thousands initially which helps alot in mitigating costs and generate + cash flow. And by using common sense, after some time say 1 year+, you have accumulated larger pool of members who generate 10 fold income/month for you.

And dont be surprised that, not all who sub to gym will commit themself 100%. Mostly get lazy and give up after some time. Thus, new signing and compounding $ is the determinant of how they survive. Whilst in a restaurant, you have a typical number of seatings with typical number of patrons per day, but in gym no. Nevertheless, 80k is bloodsucking but not very surprising
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he thinks all gym members sure everyday go gym wan, lol

a gym cn hav thousands of thousands members but regular wans not even hundred
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QUOTE(slimfox @ Apr 14 2014, 03:30 AM)
Actually if you look at business as a whole GYM is just one time investment for your equipment and renovation, which is about the same for a restaurant with different cost. I would think a GYM will require more initial investment due to the equipments required (but then who buys now a days when you could lease right?). Then day to day operation a restaurant will have cost, a GYM would not have food cost nor wastage cost. A GYM is just pure marketing and sales meaning if you can sell many many membership packages you will have good profit.

Nah I would have to disagree with you when you say restaurant is more profitable. With the correct marketing plan GYM business has a bigger potential for profit.

I would have to say you need to do more research on businesses.

Mind sharing which bank you working for?
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Because u so smart compare with fitness first which earn good income. Then i also can compare with secret recipe who generate massive income over the years in mid valley. You see you totally failed deeply in terms of comparing..@@
A gym not like restaurant. Somemore like in Malaysia. Malaysia having the largest fat people in south east asia. Thats why running a successful restaurant can generate massive income rather than gym. You open more gym then lesser members in that area. doh.gif
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 14 2014, 09:45 AM)
bro, whilst 80k rental for gym business is ridiculous, your replies are shallow and calculations are ineffective by all means. You need to understand how the revenue in gym membership are generated. Its not like in restaurants pay per entry simple as that. Most gym subscribers are running on auto-debit, but there are some  who pays lumpsum. You cannot just divide it by the tenure duration and then use simple division to estimate number of members required. Thats stupid.

Normally when a gym is newly established, its rather difficult to commit as member pool is still low. Thats why the sales force in gyms are like hookers, giving free trials and shat just to get you signed. Once you sign, ur a confirmed monthly revenue for them, normally at least for 1 year+. Some pay lumpsum of thousands initially which helps alot in mitigating costs and generate + cash flow. And by using common sense, after some time say 1 year+, you have accumulated larger pool of members who generate 10 fold income/month for you.

And dont be surprised that, not all who sub to gym will commit themself 100%. Mostly get lazy and give up after some time. Thus, new signing and compounding $ is the determinant of how they survive. Whilst in a restaurant, you have a typical number of seatings with typical number of patrons per day, but in gym no. Nevertheless, 80k is bloodsucking but not very surprising
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I am just roughly and simply calculate how much members the infinity requires in order to break even for 80k rental. Of course if calculate clearly cannot be like that. and also sometimes people just coming for daily usage and so. And u need to tell me how many years the gym had been operating for business and the purpose is just to figure out why the tauke needs to cabut lari. doh.gif

If 90000 per month rental include operating cost, means 90000/130=692 members. This is just a simple calculation and the least members that the gym must have in order to break even. It doesnt matter even they pay lump sum or whatever most important can cover the 90k.

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I am just roughly and simply calculate how much members the infinity requires in order to break even for 80k rental. Of course if calculate clearly cannot be like that. and also sometimes people just coming for daily usage and so. And u need to tell me how many years the gym had been operating for business and the purpose is just to figure out why the tauke needs to cabut lari.  doh.gif

If 90000 per month rental include operating cost, means 90000/130=692 members. This is just a simple calculation and the least members that the gym must have in order to break even. It doesnt matter even they pay lump sum or whatever most important can cover the 90k.
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Are you an idiot or wannabe smartas$ who thinks working in a bank makes you smart.

1) Let me tell you. A typical commercial gym is over 20k+ sqft in size. Infinity kl sentral is over 30k sqft. True fitness in USJ is triple storeyed with 60k sqft. Truefitness, fitness first most likely had been > 5 years, and stream of income has been stabilized should they maintain constant new signings. Thus, Rm 80k rental is in fact not a very big deal. Your secret recipe is barely 10k sqft in size. And in fact, you factored in 10k for overhead costs which is rubbish. One private trainer already roughly earns 2k+. In a commercial gym easily you can find more than 5 of them. Tax, insurance, equipment lease, PU bills already can go >20k. So effectively put it 80k + 40k. With this huge amount, which business owner is dumb enough to open one gym had he not considered these potential cost? Why most of them survive, answer this. And btw, this infinity gym has been in service only ~12 months.

2) ""It doesnt matter even they pay lump sum or whatever most important can cover the 90k"". If pay monthly sub --> (90k - monthly sub), whereas if pay lumpsum --> (90k - lumpsum). If apply some brains you can see which helps to produce cash surplus better for that month. It means alot to stay alive for the month. Eitherway, no.3

3) In commercial gyms, pay per entry is almost absent. Its not ghetto gym that you pay Rm7 per session. So your estimation of "692 members MUST service every month" to breakeven is not applicable. Normally minimum sub for these gyms are 12 months. If you just newly open a gym you cant expect to sign 692 members on the first month; thats godsent. It is you ACCUMULATE NEW SIGNINGS throughout the months until you reached 692 members CONCURRENTLY, and that the 692 members have monthly financial commitment to your gym for average 1 year. Thereafter, your new signings can be considered profit for the club. If you dont understand, go draw using a periodic Gantt chart or something.

Having said that, track record, reputation, and especially sales force/marketing is the breadwinner for the business. Without them, your basically fked. Its not like in F&B business where foods are distinctive in taste against one another. TGI friday tastes different from Ben's. Both have shared customer base. Conversely, does a 10kg dumbell in F.First is distinctively different from a 10kg dumbell in infinity?

Do you even lift btw? doh.gif


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Because u so smart compare with fitness first which earn good income. Then i also can compare with secret recipe who generate massive income over the years in mid valley. You see you totally failed deeply in terms of comparing..@@
A gym not like restaurant. Somemore like in Malaysia. Malaysia having the largest fat people in south east asia. Thats why running a successful restaurant can generate massive income rather than gym. You open more gym then lesser members in that area.  doh.gif
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Firstly how close are you to Secret Recipe? Are you so close till you know their account books or your knowledge is just base on hear say (gossip)? (maybe the info is from your bank since you work in one brows.gif )

As an earlier forum member mention, gym's can have a very extensive membership base cause not all members will be there every hour, everyday. That means you can sell and sell your membership and mind you the membership is charged every month for a fix contract duration usually minimum 1 year. So if the gym capacity is say 50 members at any one time you could have a membership of more than 100 time of your maximum capacity (not sure maybe as high as 500times? anyone care to share).

Restaurant is very different cause you have a fix sitting capacity and basically how many times can you turn your sitting capacity during each meal time (ie lunch, dinner). Projection of turnover is calculated on how much your targeted charge per head based on your menu items. So like the one in Pavilion we target about rm80 (dinner, for lunch is much less than that) per head therefor for 10 pax (1table) the average bill should be about rm800 with some tables doing less and some doing more but then there is still a maximum (no of pax) that you can actually do per day. Also do mind if you do a breakdown of occupancy vs hours in a business day you will find a restaurant is mostly empty most of the day except during meal times. We are talking about restaurant not cafes here. I would classify Secret Recipe more of a cafe with dining facilities oppose to a proper formal dining restaurant.

We only make money if you customers walk in and makan, restaurant don't make money if no body eats anything whereas a gym is still making money when nobody is there cause membership is already paid for the whole month/year and whether you go or not it doesn't really matter, see the big difference?

I'm not sure if you get me or not or you just want to win your point that a restaurant is more profitable than a gym... if so I would gracefully let you win cause you have not been able to present any sound logic as to why my point is wrong. What you have done is take one example and use it as a yard stick and generalize the whole industry as such, which to me is wrong and frankly very shallow.

Some restaurant/cafe's are very profitable (yes) but most are just breaking even or even losing money. Gyms like fitness first have made tons and I do mean tons of money for just one franchise. I too would like to add that I'm sure there are lots of small gyms that are trying very hard to turn a buck. I would say the same is true for most business.

Guys there is no such thing as a golden goose business, get what I mean?

BTW you still have not mention which bank you attached with?
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Are you an idiot or wannabe smartas$ who thinks working in a bank makes you smart.

1) Let me tell you. A typical commercial gym is over 20k+ sqft in size. Infinity kl sentral is over 30k sqft. True fitness in USJ is triple storeyed with 60k sqft. Truefitness, fitness first most likely had been > 5 years, and stream of income has been stabilized should they maintain constant new signings. Thus, Rm 80k rental is in fact not a very big deal. Your secret recipe is barely 10k sqft in size. And in fact, you factored in 10k for overhead costs which is rubbish. One private trainer already roughly earns 2k+. In a commercial gym easily you can find more than 5 of them. Tax, insurance, equipment lease, PU bills already can go >20k. So effectively put it 80k + 40k. With this huge amount, which business owner is dumb enough to open one gym had he not considered these potential cost? Why most of them survive, answer this. And btw, this infinity gym has been in service only ~12 months.

2) ""It doesnt matter even they pay lump sum or whatever most important can cover the 90k"". If pay monthly sub --> (90k - monthly sub), whereas if pay lumpsum --> (90k - lumpsum). If apply some brains you can see which helps to produce cash surplus better for that month. It means alot to stay alive for the month. Eitherway, no.3

3) In commercial gyms, pay per entry is almost absent. Its not ghetto gym that you pay Rm7 per session. So your estimation of "692 members MUST service every month" to breakeven is not applicable. Normally minimum sub for these gyms are 12 months. If you just newly open a gym you cant expect to sign 692 members on the first month; thats godsent. It is you ACCUMULATE NEW SIGNINGS throughout the months until you reached 692 members CONCURRENTLY, and that the 692 members have monthly financial commitment to your gym for average 1 year. Thereafter, your new signings can be considered profit for the club. If you dont understand, go draw using a periodic Gantt chart or something.

Having said that, track record, reputation, and especially sales force/marketing is the breadwinner for the business. Without them, your basically fked. Its not like in F&B business where foods are distinctive in taste against one another. TGI friday tastes different from Ben's. Both have shared customer base. Conversely, does a 10kg dumbell in F.First is distinctively different from a 10kg dumbell in infinity?

Do you even lift btw?  doh.gif
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Firstly how close are you to Secret Recipe? Are you so close till you know their account books or your knowledge is just base on hear say (gossip)? (maybe the info is from your bank since you work in one  brows.gif )

As an earlier forum member mention, gym's can have a very extensive membership base cause not all members will be there every hour, everyday. That means you can sell and sell your membership and mind you the membership is charged every month for a fix contract duration usually minimum 1 year. So if the gym capacity is say 50 members at any one time you could have a membership of more than 100 time of your maximum capacity (not sure maybe as high as 500times? anyone care to share).

Restaurant is very different cause you have a fix sitting capacity and basically how many times can you turn your sitting capacity during each meal time (ie lunch, dinner). Projection of turnover is calculated on how much your targeted charge per head based on your menu items. So like the one in Pavilion we target about rm80 (dinner, for lunch is much less than that) per head therefor for 10 pax (1table) the average bill should be about rm800 with some tables doing less and some doing more but then there is still a maximum (no of pax) that you can actually do per day. Also do mind if you do a breakdown of occupancy vs hours in a business day you will find a restaurant is mostly empty most of the day except during meal times. We are talking about restaurant not cafes here. I would classify Secret Recipe more of a cafe with dining facilities oppose to a proper formal dining restaurant.

We only make money if you customers walk in and makan, restaurant don't make money if no body eats anything whereas a gym is still making money when nobody is there cause membership is already paid for the whole month/year and whether you go or not it doesn't really matter, see the big difference?

I'm not sure if you get me or not or you just want to win your point that a restaurant is more profitable than a gym... if so I would gracefully let you win cause you have not been able to present any sound logic as to why my point is wrong. What you have done is take one example and use it as a yard stick and generalize the whole industry as such, which to me is wrong and frankly very shallow.

Some restaurant/cafe's are very profitable (yes) but most are just breaking even or even losing money. Gyms like fitness first have made tons and I do mean tons of money for just one franchise. I too would like to add that I'm sure there are lots of small gyms that are trying very hard to turn a buck. I would say the same is true for most business.

Guys there is no such thing as a golden goose business, get what I mean?

BTW you still have not mention which bank you attached with?
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Hahaha. their boss is my mum cousin's hubby. Surely closer than you by alot. Btw you are comparing with fitness first, so for sure i will be comparing with secret recipe and surely you are too funny by thinking doing gym can anytime good business than running a restaurant like secret recipe in mid valley doh.gif doh.gif
Btw this thread is about infinity and you did not provide any detail for the infinity gym at all and then compare with fitness first at mid valley. doh.gif

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Are you an idiot or wannabe smartas$ who thinks working in a bank makes you smart.

1) Let me tell you. A typical commercial gym is over 20k+ sqft in size. Infinity kl sentral is over 30k sqft. True fitness in USJ is triple storeyed with 60k sqft. Truefitness, fitness first most likely had been > 5 years, and stream of income has been stabilized should they maintain constant new signings. Thus, Rm 80k rental is in fact not a very big deal. Your secret recipe is barely 10k sqft in size. And in fact, you factored in 10k for overhead costs which is rubbish. One private trainer already roughly earns 2k+. In a commercial gym easily you can find more than 5 of them. Tax, insurance, equipment lease, PU bills already can go >20k. So effectively put it 80k + 40k. With this huge amount, which business owner is dumb enough to open one gym had he not considered these potential cost? Why most of them survive, answer this. And btw, this infinity gym has been in service only ~12 months.

2) ""It doesnt matter even they pay lump sum or whatever most important can cover the 90k"". If pay monthly sub --> (90k - monthly sub), whereas if pay lumpsum --> (90k - lumpsum). If apply some brains you can see which helps to produce cash surplus better for that month. It means alot to stay alive for the month. Eitherway, no.3

3) In commercial gyms, pay per entry is almost absent. Its not ghetto gym that you pay Rm7 per session. So your estimation of "692 members MUST service every month" to breakeven is not applicable. Normally minimum sub for these gyms are 12 months. If you just newly open a gym you cant expect to sign 692 members on the first month; thats godsent. It is you ACCUMULATE NEW SIGNINGS throughout the months until you reached 692 members CONCURRENTLY, and that the 692 members have monthly financial commitment to your gym for average 1 year. Thereafter, your new signings can be considered profit for the club. If you dont understand, go draw using a periodic Gantt chart or something.

Having said that, track record, reputation, and especially sales force/marketing is the breadwinner for the business. Without them, your basically fked. Its not like in F&B business where foods are distinctive in taste against one another. TGI friday tastes different from Ben's. Both have shared customer base. Conversely, does a 10kg dumbell in F.First is distinctively different from a 10kg dumbell in infinity?

Do you even lift btw?  doh.gif
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Hahaha..i can answer you, you are just too smart until wanna becoming an idiot. All the way i never supported for this gym because of 80k per month plus as you said overhead cost can go up to 40k. SO you indeed an idiot i would say because you argued stupidly without any direction. doh.gif doh.gif

Plus the 692 is just based on all members with ownership to breakeven of course the first month the gym wont have 692 members. So owner must bears to make loses in early stage.

And btw this is not bank, having cash surplus will not benefit you much unless u put it in fixed deposit but just 3%++ per year. Unless u wan to invest with the surplus or buying more equipment which you are just too dumb or having cash surplus for early months just to make ur bank statement nicer but if could not break even for 120k per month you are still an idiot running for this infinity thats why tauke also needs to cabut doh.gif doh.gif
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Hahaha..i can answer you, you are just too smart until wanna becoming an idiot. All the way i never supported for this gym because of 80k per month plus as you said overhead cost can go up to 40k. SO you indeed an idiot i would say because you argued stupidly without any direction.  doh.gif  doh.gif

Plus the 692 is just based on all members with ownership to breakeven of course the first month the gym wont have 692 members. So owner must bears to make loses in early stage.

And btw this is not bank, having cash surplus will not benefit you much unless u put it in fixed deposit but just 3%++ per year. Unless u wan to invest with the surplus or buying more equipment which you are just too dumb or having cash surplus for early months just to make ur bank statement nicer but if could not break even for 120k per month you are still an idiot running for this infinity thats why tauke also needs to cabut doh.gif  doh.gif
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Looking at your reply again, it kept repeatedly showed that your arguments are baseless and pointless. Quote me some figures, and prove some CONSTRUCTIVE points should you have any. I've done that why not you? Second, you FAIL to understand the revenue structure in gym and merely compared it to Secret Recipe (F&B) which is apple and orange. If I need 692 active patrons for a restaurant to breakeven DOES NOT MEAN the gym needs the same amount of people carry weights a month, because MEMBERSHIPS ARE RECURRING and NOT ALL MEMBERS ARE ACTIVE GOERS. Fixed seatings in a restaurant is like a GLASS CEILING on your salary, but a gym does not.

Do you understand simple english after explaining to your deaf ears multiple times, or you just want to win the argument for the sake of saving your face?

And what crap you taking out 3% fixed deposit thingy? Idiot we talking about monthly cash flow here. I wonder which bank employed you shakehead.gif

Next time, before wanna show you're the boss in a thread, do more research and be knowledgeable bout something. I earned my stripes and why not you share your background in investments since you're the smartas$ here? brows.gif
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 08:44 AM)
Looking at your reply again, it kept repeatedly showed that your arguments are baseless and pointless. Quote me some figures, and prove some CONSTRUCTIVE points should you have any. I've done that why not you? Second, you FAIL to understand the revenue structure in gym and merely compared it to Secret Recipe (F&B) which is apple and orange. If I need 692 active patrons for a restaurant to breakeven DOES NOT MEAN the gym needs the same amount of people carry weights a month, because MEMBERSHIPS ARE RECURRING and NOT ALL MEMBERS ARE ACTIVE GOERS. Fixed seatings in a restaurant is like a GLASS CEILING on your salary, but a gym does not.

Do you understand simple english after explaining to your deaf ears multiple times, or you just want to win the argument for the sake of saving your face?

And what crap you taking out 3% fixed deposit thingy? Idiot we talking about monthly cash flow here. I wonder which bank employed you  shakehead.gif

Next time, before wanna show you're the boss in a thread, do more research and be knowledgeable bout something. I earned my stripes and why not you share your background in investments since you're the smartas$ here?  brows.gif
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Wahahaha. The big problem is u were being stupid bcoz u argue without direction and arguinf crap. U could not analytical skill cant even digest what did i meant. Wanna showinvestment skill also dun act like idiot lar know all the calculation is useless if analytical skill like shit and poor critical thinking
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 08:44 AM)
Looking at your reply again, it kept repeatedly showed that your arguments are baseless and pointless. Quote me some figures, and prove some CONSTRUCTIVE points should you have any. I've done that why not you? Second, you FAIL to understand the revenue structure in gym and merely compared it to Secret Recipe (F&B) which is apple and orange. If I need 692 active patrons for a restaurant to breakeven DOES NOT MEAN the gym needs the same amount of people carry weights a month, because MEMBERSHIPS ARE RECURRING and NOT ALL MEMBERS ARE ACTIVE GOERS. Fixed seatings in a restaurant is like a GLASS CEILING on your salary, but a gym does not.

Do you understand simple english after explaining to your deaf ears multiple times, or you just want to win the argument for the sake of saving your face?

And what crap you taking out 3% fixed deposit thingy? Idiot we talking about monthly cash flow here. I wonder which bank employed you  shakehead.gif

Next time, before wanna show you're the boss in a thread, do more research and be knowledgeable bout something. I earned my stripes and why not you share your background in investments since you're the smartas$ here?  brows.gif
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And over the long run also u could not have 692 members in ur gym to break even ur 120k cost per month no wonder failure like you could ended up cabut lari la.hahaha. wat a noob tot people pay lump then got cash surplus very happy. Haha wat anoob. U think u r bank go invest with the money? hahaha. Yea go invest later lose all tat why u need cabut so pity.
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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mana ko dengar, jiran ko si Bedah cite kat ko pagi tadi?

Selidik dulu.

QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:39 PM)
i see, sorry i came from kampung... duno price...  cry.gif
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mana ko dengar, jiran ko si Bedah cite kat ko pagi tadi?

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QUOTE(TheNiro @ Apr 13 2014, 07:37 PM)
yup at klcc the 1st floor rental is so expensive
if u realise 1st floor shops semua expensive and exclusive shops

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80k is not a lot, for a place like dat
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A place like what??? You think KL sentral a lot of bitness ka?
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Wahahaha. The big problem is u were being stupid bcoz u argue without direction and arguinf crap. U could not analytical skill cant even digest what did i meant. Wanna showinvestment skill also dun act like idiot lar know all the calculation is useless if analytical skill like shit and poor critical thinking
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Your analytical skill so far shown was only claiming 692 member must service the gym a month to breakeven. That also is a shallow and inaccurate assessment. Else than that, you have YET to show any constructive figures or arguments that makes us concur with you. Still want to talk about analytical bull crap with me blink.gif

"cant even digest what did i meant". The initial questionnaire was to assess why the owner run away, which you claim 80k rental to be very expensive. I have given my points on that 80k is not hard to achieve with proper sales execution plans etc, which is how reputable gyms are still surviving and making heaps of profit until now. Do you ever not considered restaurants that closes down too? And certain MNC especially have partnership with gyms that either pays/subsidize their employees for gyms have you not considered.

"analytical skill like shit and poor critical thinking". Look whoes the one showing analytical skill and critical thinking.

You can continue be barbaric and hurl nonsense around, but it wont change the fact that you shown your idiocy so far. Wanna act smart konon haha. We can let /k judge. laugh.gif
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Your analytical skill so far shown was only claiming 692 member must service the gym a month to breakeven. That also is a shallow and inaccurate assessment. Else than that, you have YET to show any constructive figures or arguments that makes us concur with you. Still want to talk about analytical bull crap with me  blink.gif

"cant even digest what did i meant". The initial questionnaire was to assess why the owner run away, which you claim 80k rental to be very expensive. I have given my points on that 80k is not hard to achieve with proper sales execution plans etc, which is how reputable gyms are still surviving and making heaps of profit until now. Do you ever not considered restaurants that closes down too? And certain MNC especially have partnership with gyms that either pays/subsidize their employees for gyms have you not considered.

"analytical skill like shit and poor critical thinking". Look whoes the one showing analytical skill and critical thinking.

You can continue be barbaric and hurl nonsense around, but it wont change the fact that you shown your idiocy so far. Wanna act smart konon haha. We can let /k judge.  laugh.gif
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hahhaa..you are worst than an idiot you know because you argued stupidly without direction and like a blind dog just biting blindly. I was talking about infinity then you go and argue about others and showing how worst is ur critical thinking skill and cant even understand at all. No wonder you failed badly la after a year still could not break even until need to run away hiding. hahaha...OMG 692 members to cover ur 80k rental also couldnt. Havent count properly wanna do gym business. Tot people pay lump sum then very nice and happy and cash surplus. haha..Legend!
Next time calculate and plan nicely first if cannot cover 80k rental plus overhead cost then dun like a bull just open the gym business. Dun think kl sentral is mid valley fitness first lar. hahaha..Lack of planning and worst critical thinking skill. Argue like an idiot without any direction here and there like a bull. doh.gif doh.gif

Highlighted words adi shown how ignorant are you by saying infinity is reputable gym? As u said even 1 year also could not survive plus in kl sentral. Hahaha. No wonder you need to cabut lar. kesian. doh.gif doh.gif

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A place like what??? You think KL sentral a lot of bitness ka?
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if u can get 800 members and above over the months, then can survive. hahaha.I mean this gym in kl sentral. Not in other place. lol
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 14 2014, 09:45 AM)
bro, whilst 80k rental for gym business is ridiculous, your replies are shallow and calculations are ineffective by all means. You need to understand how the revenue in gym membership are generated. Its not like in restaurants pay per entry simple as that. Most gym subscribers are running on auto-debit, but there are some  who pays lumpsum. You cannot just divide it by the tenure duration and then use simple division to estimate number of members required. Thats stupid.

Normally when a gym is newly established, its rather difficult to commit as member pool is still low. Thats why the sales force in gyms are like hookers, giving free trials and shat just to get you signed. Once you sign, ur a confirmed monthly revenue for them, normally at least for 1 year+. Some pay lumpsum of thousands initially which helps alot in mitigating costs and generate + cash flow. And by using common sense, after some time say 1 year+, you have accumulated larger pool of members who generate 10 fold income/month for you.

And dont be surprised that, not all who sub to gym will commit themself 100%. Mostly get lazy and give up after some time. Thus, new signing and compounding $ is the determinant of how they survive. Whilst in a restaurant, you have a typical number of seatings with typical number of patrons per day, but in gym no. Nevertheless, 80k is bloodsucking but not very surprising
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haha , no wonder you failed badly in ur gym business in kl sentral if assume you were that failed owner that cabut. Your initial capital for investment how much? Let say 1 million. How you get the 1 million? issue shares ah? wahaha..borrow from ah long, parent? bank ?
Unless you dont need to borrow any money to cover ur this gym business. Or else you need to pay interest to bank and also rental. So there is no such thing as cash surplus. It means ntg ,at the end of the month you still need to pay rental+overhead cost which could amount over 100k. If 692members also you could not generate over the months, then indeed you are a failure without doing any survey nicely whether is it suitable to open gym in kl sentral anot and results showed that you are indeed a failure lar. You dun need to be like a n idiot and compare with other reputable gym and this infinity in kl sentral ,dun need talk about others. My discussion just on kl sentral. doh.gif doh.gif
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Many business is running on thin profit margin and when come external uncontrollable elements such as gas hike, electricity hike, GST and etc, immediately the business goes into lost. Already, many companies including MNC cutting down on employee benefits such as free meals, gyms and etc. Not surprising, have to runaway.... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 12:33 PM)
hahhaa..you are worst than an idiot you know because you argued stupidly without direction and like a blind dog just biting blindly. I was talking about infinity then you go and argue about others and showing how worst is ur critical thinking skill and cant even understand at all. No wonder you failed badly la after a year still could not break even until need to run away hiding. hahaha...OMG 692 members to cover ur 80k rental also couldnt. Havent count properly wanna do gym business. Tot people pay lump sum then very nice and happy and cash surplus. haha..Legend!
Next time calculate and plan nicely first if cannot cover 80k rental plus overhead cost then dun like a bull just open the gym business. Dun think kl sentral is mid valley fitness first lar. hahaha..Lack of planning and worst critical thinking skill. Argue like an idiot without any direction here and there like a bull.  doh.gif  doh.gif

Highlighted words adi shown how ignorant are you by saying infinity is reputable gym? As u said even 1 year also could not survive plus in kl sentral. Hahaha. No wonder you need to cabut lar. kesian. doh.gif  doh.gif
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Hahah expected reply from a loser. Up to now no figures quoted. All plain nonsense rclxub.gif

Go read back in above excerpt when did I say Infinity is reputable. In fact I mentioned it is new, only being in service for 12 months, lack of accumulated members pool, and insufficient cash flow to cover rental+overheads. Its not even franchised for god sake.

Bodoh, spend some time reading and understand what I educated you. Your reply with crap english ald show your very new working in a bank to which you are ashamed of revealing the background. Your wall of text are scattered everywhere as well, no points. Want to act smart end up kantoi doh.gif

If you're smart, why not share some of your investment portfolio here? icon_rolleyes.gif



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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 01:19 PM)
Hahah expected reply from a loser. Up to now no figures quoted. All plain nonsense  rclxub.gif

Go read back in above excerpt when did I say Infinity is reputable. In fact I mentioned it is new, only being in service for 12 months, lack of accumulated members pool, and insufficient cash flow to cover rental+overheads. Its not even franchised for god sake.

Bodoh, spend some time reading and understand what I educated you. Your reply with crap english ald show your very new working in a bank to which you are ashamed of revealing the background. Your wall of text are scattered everywhere as well, no points. Want to act smart end up kantoi  doh.gif

If you're smart, why not share some of your investment portfolio here?  icon_rolleyes.gif
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haha, guys see typical sore loser. No wonder need to cabut and hide ler 80k rent also cannot afford to pay. Now kantoi being stupiak liao and then talked about other stuffs in hope of covering own stupidity. But my dear dumbie, it will not work. Our discussion will solely on gym business in kl sentral. Dont need to relate on other things to cover ur own stupidity. It will not work! doh.gif
Havent do proper survey and planning then wanted to open gym business in kl sentral with 80k rental plus overhead cost somemore. You are indeed brilliant. wahaha doh.gif

And for ur information, you just a person based on their english level? hahaha. In china everyone is speaking mandarin and in france they hate speaking english. You are so proud with ur english but ur brain tak boleh pakai then apa macam? Nak taip malay boleh bang? haha

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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 01:23 PM)
haha, guys see typical sore loser. No wonder need to cabut and hide ler 80k rent also cannot afford to pay. Now kantoi being stupiak liao and then talked about other stuffs in hope of covering own stupidity. But my dear dumbie, it will not work. Our discussion will solely on gym business in kl sentral. Dont need to relate on other things to cover ur own stupidity. It will not work! doh.gif
Havent do proper survey and planning then wanted to open gym business in kl sentral with 80k rental plus overhead cost somemore. You are indeed brilliant. wahaha doh.gif
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QUOTE(Klesk @ Apr 15 2014, 01:27 PM)
seriously dude. you got a vocabulary level of 12 year old...
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it doesnt matter. I speak chinese mostly. Most important wont become a failure in doing business. Even you IELTS 9.0 also useless if no brain and duno how to run a business efficiently and effectively.
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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Now you know the rental is high??

If not mistaken 12 years ago, Sunway Pyramid, a big shop lot ady 27k per month..


If a gym with such big space needed, 80k per month is consider cheap.. summore in KL..
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Now want to rent a shop lot and do business??

Dun be an idiot, the rental will kill you first.. lolx

Now you know why things are expensive in mall..
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QUOTE(t3arsCulprit @ Apr 15 2014, 01:31 PM)
Now you know the rental is high??

If not mistaken 12 years ago, Sunway Pyramid, a big shop lot ady 27k per month..
If a gym with such big space needed, 80k per month is consider cheap.. summore in KL..
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QUOTE(t3arsCulprit @ Apr 15 2014, 01:36 PM)
Now want to rent a shop lot and do business??

Dun be an idiot, the rental will kill you first.. lolx

Now you know why things are expensive in mall..
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hehe sure la. But depend what business and location. Must do proper survey first to see is it really can have many members to join the gym anot. As i have simply calculate just now, they need at least 692 members in few months time or else every month also will rugi lor. So owner must have 300-400k additional cash to back up in case first month only 200 members then 300 and then 400 and then drop they no come. Or depend the policy must pay lump sum? So far my place no need lump sum just monthly ler. Obviously this infinity gym dun have sufficient members to cover the rental and overhead cost. Or else no need cabut lor. Or took all the lump sum payment and go gambling lost all. haha

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nearly 700+ people. estimate RM150 mth each to break even lols.
how to you can fit 700 people in 1 gym lewl
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 01:30 PM)
it doesnt matter. I speak chinese mostly. Most important wont become a failure in doing business. Even you IELTS 9.0 also useless if no brain and duno how to run a business efficiently and effectively.
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That explains why you fail to grasp what Im trying to educate you. THREE(3) times.

"useless if no brain and duno how to run a business efficiently and effectively."
Have you ever run a business by the way? doh.gif doh.gif Guess not, still a grad i guess.

Once they say, if you ever argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and makes you one as well. rolleyes.gif Im out of here lol. Waste of time


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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 01:44 PM)
That explains why you fail to grasp what Im trying to educate you. THREE(3) times.

"useless if no brain and duno how to run a business efficiently and effectively."
Have you ever run a business by the way?  doh.gif  doh.gif  Guess not, still a grad i guess.

Once they say, if you ever argue with an idiot, he will bring you down to his level and makes you one as well.  rolleyes.gif Im out of here lol. Waste of time
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haha sore loser being stupid now can only argue on other things in hope of covering own stupidity. And again it will not works. No wonder you failed badly with ur gym business in kl sentral with 80k rental per month excluding overhead cost.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(korgiforlite @ Apr 15 2014, 01:42 PM)
nearly 700+ people. estimate RM150 mth each to break even lols.
how to you can fit 700 people in 1 gym lewl
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Aiyah... 1 day got 24 hours mah. Gym opens 18 hours a day. if member visits gym twice a day then make it 1400/7/18 = 11.11 is your gym capacity lor. Unless is peak hours la... then sorry laugh.gif
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Apr 15 2014, 03:03 PM)
Aiyah... 1 day got 24 hours mah. Gym opens 18 hours a day. if member visits gym twice a day then make it 1400/7/18 = 11.11 is your gym capacity lor. Unless is peak hours la... then sorry laugh.gif
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people quit when over crowded also icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 01:47 PM)
haha sore loser being stupid now can only argue on other things in hope of covering own stupidity. And again it will not works. No wonder you failed badly with ur gym business in kl sentral with 80k rental per month excluding overhead cost.. doh.gif
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ignore everything this person has said.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3194142&hl=
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Apr 15 2014, 02:03 PM)
Aiyah... 1 day got 24 hours mah. Gym opens 18 hours a day. if member visits gym twice a day then make it 1400/7/18 = 11.11 is your gym capacity lor. Unless is peak hours la... then sorry laugh.gif
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What mathematics is this.

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QUOTE(flyf @ Apr 15 2014, 03:01 PM)
What mathematics is this.

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700 members, gym members visit twice A WEEK (not a day), so means 700x2 -1400. Typo. Manyak sorry
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QUOTE(t3arsCulprit @ Apr 15 2014, 01:31 PM)
Now you know the rental is high??

If not mistaken 12 years ago, Sunway Pyramid, a big shop lot ady 27k per month..
If a gym with such big space needed, 80k per month is consider cheap.. summore in KL..
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Wrong!! the rental is high because KL Sentral is build by MRCB where bulk of the cost must be distributed to cronies. This applies to the whole system in fact icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:31 PM)
just heard that KL Sentral infiniti gym rental RM80,000 per month, the owner of it lari d due to rental too high, not sure real or not.

if real, i was shock that rental can charge so expensive 1 meh? no need work liao~ @.@~
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Damm....that took them quite a while, only runaway recently aR?
since the first day i join them already got problem d.....never pay me on time 1 always owe 2-3months paid,
luckily i ciao earlier
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QUOTE(tanmcjiann @ Apr 15 2014, 02:39 PM)
ignore everything this person has said.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3194142&hl=
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So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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same person >> https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1033397&hl=
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 04:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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This damn girl is buying BB1M and conned the seller.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHA . u wasted so much words and time.. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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haha , you are really legend edeot for sure not only being stupiak. That fellow deal with a girl and then said my number 99% similar to the girl and said my post having @@ means i am the person. Cannot believe nowadays people are so stupid no wonder anwar needs to be jailed even dont have concrete proof. This is how you stupiak been trained since small. So no choice.. doh.gif
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 04:18 PM)
haha , you are really legend edeot for sure not only being stupiak. That fellow deal with a girl and then said my number 99% similar to the girl and said my post having @@ means i am the person. Cannot believe nowadays people are so stupid no wonder anwar needs to be jailed even dont have concrete proof. This is how you stupiak been trained since small. So no choice.. doh.gif
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f***ING EXPLAIN THIS THEN U f***ING TRASHCAN

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Stupiak Stupiak Stupiak

Even a mentally retarded person can pronounce as stupid. Come on la Mr.Banker, still selling BB1M? Hahaha, go continue on creating dupe accs. You started earning money ald or not? Still playing dota i guess biggrin.gif
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heard a lot of members who pay one year all butthurts
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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Apr 15 2014, 01:23 PM)
apa ini gaduh pasal gym... doh.gif
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aku pun same pelik pasal ni..
masing2 nk tjuk pndai...
udah2 la bashing tu...
sorry kalau terase..
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haha all got conned by zephyrus9999, he cabut adi and being stupiak now. hahaha. Duno manage the gym with stupid 80k rental no choice. sad.gif
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 04:33 PM)
haha all got conned by zephyrus9999, he cabut adi and being stupiak now. hahaha. Duno manage the gym with stupid 80k rental no choice.  sad.gif
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stfu and explain?
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QUOTE(tanmcjiann @ Apr 15 2014, 04:27 PM)
f***ING EXPLAIN THIS THEN U f***ING TRASHCAN

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proof? Just by bullshit then as concrete proof?
What's the proof that anwar sodomised saiful?
Are you as stupid as those people?
What's the proof of that linking? because of @@ ? @@ doh.gif @@
Duno since when i am a female and since when did i deal with you in lowyat here.
Pls provide concrete evidence and stop bullshitting nonstop..
This the last time replying brainless people like you unless you provide any concrete proof because you just too funny.. doh.gif

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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yeah quit arguing with a retard bro. well now a proven scammer as well. lol
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how mod detect dupe?

with ip dumbo
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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 04:37 PM)
proof? Just by bullshit then as concrete proof?
What's the proof that anwar sodomised saiful?
Are you as stupid as those people?
What's the proof of that linking? because of @@ ? @@ doh.gif @@
Duno since when i am a female and since when did i deal with you in lowyat here.
Pls provide concrete evidence and stop bullshitting nonstop..
Last time replying brainless people like you unless you provide any concrete proof because you just too funny.. doh.gif
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proof?

here you go .

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3194142&hl=

3 forum ID linked. keep using your gf as a shield or whoever that girl is.


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QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 04:37 PM)
proof? Just by bullshit then as concrete proof?
What's the proof that anwar sodomised saiful?
Are you as stupid as those people?
What's the proof of that linking? because of @@ ? @@ doh.gif @@
Duno since when i am a female and since when did i deal with you in lowyat here.
Pls provide concrete evidence and stop bullshitting nonstop..
This the last time replying brainless people like you unless you provide any concrete proof because you just too funny.. doh.gif
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Jilaka ape kau ni? lari topik nokharommm laugh.gif

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QUOTE(tanmcjiann @ Apr 15 2014, 04:27 PM)
f***ING EXPLAIN THIS THEN U f***ING TRASHCAN

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proof?

here you go .

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3194142&hl=

3 forum ID linked. keep using your gf as a shield or whoever that girl is.
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is zephyrus9999 really the ex-manager of such big gym?

gooding la must be enjoicing the money.
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AHAHHAHAHAHAHA . u wasted so much words and time..  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 11:12 AM)
Your analytical skill so far shown was only claiming 692 member must service the gym a month to breakeven. That also is a shallow and inaccurate assessment. Else than that, you have YET to show any constructive figures or arguments that makes us concur with you. Still want to talk about analytical bull crap with me  blink.gif

"cant even digest what did i meant". The initial questionnaire was to assess why the owner run away, which you claim 80k rental to be very expensive. I have given my points on that 80k is not hard to achieve with proper sales execution plans etc, which is how reputable gyms are still surviving and making heaps of profit until now. Do you ever not considered restaurants that closes down too? And certain MNC especially have partnership with gyms that either pays/subsidize their employees for gyms have you not considered.

"analytical skill like shit and poor critical thinking". Look whoes the one showing analytical skill and critical thinking.

You can continue be barbaric and hurl nonsense around, but it wont change the fact that you shown your idiocy so far. Wanna act smart konon haha. We can let /k judge.  laugh.gif
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Bro I already made it quite clear in my earlier post. It was an explanation at about form 5 level.

Let him win la, even conman need to have his day ma. Plus he win but did not learn anything so it might just keep him at his level. I just love a man who when already cornered is still trying to explain his way out of it.

I would also like to tell you that he initially said no bank will give a loan to a new enterprise (his so expert opinion) then just to contradict himself in his statement below. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif I started all this just to find out which bank/branch he is attached to, would love to see what good deals I can get from him brows.gif

QUOTE(pandamao @ Apr 15 2014, 12:53 PM)
haha , no wonder you failed badly in ur gym business in kl sentral if assume you were that failed owner that cabut. Your initial capital for investment how much? Let say 1 million. How you get the 1 million? issue shares ah? wahaha..borrow from ah long, parent? bank ?
Unless you dont need to borrow any money to cover ur this gym business. Or else you need to pay interest to bank and also rental. So there is no such thing as cash surplus. It means ntg ,at the end of the month you still need to pay rental+overhead cost which could amount over 100k. If 692members also you could not generate over the months, then indeed you are a failure without doing any survey nicely whether is it suitable to open gym in kl sentral anot and results showed that you are indeed a failure lar. You dun need to be like a n idiot and compare with other reputable gym and this infinity in kl sentral ,dun need talk about others. My discussion just on kl sentral.  doh.gif  doh.gif
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:35 PM)
So I basically wasted my time arguing with a small cheap bustard kid selling BB1M voucher. FML  cry.gif
Self-proclaim worked in a bank in loan department sommore haha!
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At last i loled at u lelelel
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pandamao already abandon tered liao... kantoi kaw2... laugh.gif

oi penipu scammer! hope u die in a car crash one day!
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ya man, my colleague's credit card kena charged but closed down the gym.
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QUOTE(SmartGuy1990 @ Apr 13 2014, 07:38 PM)
i see, wow, like that everyone who own a shop no need to work / fighting to get a job by earning rental income liao..
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So... Go start building shop lots in uber strategic locations?

I heard klcc ones also need to pay a % of your revenue in addition to rent.

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is zephyrus9999 really the ex-manager of such big gym?

gooding la must be enjoicing the money.
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obviously no, but a regular gym goers which I know how much they earn (at least for big ones).

Tiba2 only the retard quote me as infinity gym owner or something lel.
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according to some tenants in sooka sentral the owner of infiniti gym owed rental from the first month they start their operation at sooka sentral which is one year they had operating with no rental paid and they have about 2k paying members. it is said that they have many good sales persons selling the membership but one by one resigned because they didnt get their commission paid by the company management. they even hired foreigners as their staff whether legal or illegal their status not sure. the cleaner also didnt get their salary and infiniti gym also never pay water and electricity bills. this is according to the other tenants at sooka sentral so thats why they ran away.
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tumpang thread, anyone here familiar with the retail rental rate in Ipoh? or have the contacts?
Many thanks in advance notworthy.gif
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RM80,000 is ok lah

the place is freaking strategic

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