helo..all of lyn ppl...although i'm newbie here i see this is the right place were we can be enterpurnier or bissnesman without spend lot of money and small capital.
but nowdays..it seems to bit risky to make trade up here esspecially when bank-in or postage deal.

Can we make it more secure for postage deal. can any one give an idea about it...for example must put personal detail....before can bank in money...or we can hire some organisation or company or lyn ppl that organize our trade...or what ever than can make dearler or buyer satisfy.

But not all here are conman...i can give u 90% up here is wise person..so...for my conclusion..its better avoid then cure

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=38

dont just look for a good seller, try to be a smart buyer...
or u can refer Their Successful Trades List

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jul 27 2006, 06:05 PM

no use one la
it's ratio of luck
everyone can be con here

don't purchase here if the risk is too great for you. when things gets cheap, they are prone into getting higher risk.

we can't just ask the lyn moderators to help us deal on the bulks. they are independent individual whom contribute their spare time to moderate the forum. Unless you're talking about comission and interest la given to them la.

That's not a solution..faith is not enough i think...instead u have a lot of money to trow away or just donate to conperson. what i'm said is how to improve and prevent...as for example..just put conperson name in every forum section esspecially in garage sales..can moderators block this person from join in. And of course there's no free contrubution..moderators whom willing to do ..can take servis charge of it..

talk about risk...even u'r in bed also have a risk...but we talk about how to prevent..for better serve....i also trade for postage..but all depand on trust and faith..lucky...the person was good dealer. but is't affair if u spend all your money or salary ...by the end u been con...how u feel...can smile for the rest of the day.
and i'm talking here for postage deal..COD i think no big deal...

if all of us think ..wait and see is better way...then dont put a single word in this section that u been con

This post has been edited by mohd azhar: Jul 28 2006, 09:30 AM

even COD has its own risk . who knows after few days of usage , the item spoiled ? no one can ensure u that all the products that are dealt through COD are mostly free from problem

and LYN ain't responsible for all the trades made here . so deal at your own risk

This post has been edited by darknessz: Jul 28 2006, 01:46 PM

I doubt successful trades are quite safe..
Its just somebody posting he/she did some trades with other ppls..
Without any verifying needed.

Yeah...But its the same with buying new stuffs anyway....
New stuffs may get faulty after few days too...

Just luck i guess...

yup... it cant avoid, but at least can prevent some... if the ppl intended want to buy somethings and doubt he is the con man, perhaps can pm his buyers to check whether they bought something from tat specfic seller before and enquiry the way he do the business, the product quality, etc

but for sure except the jerry case...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jul 28 2006, 02:26 PM

day by day..many person been con up here......PLEASE....SOMEBODY..we should do some thing ..or it become worst.......i think we must do 'one stop center' laa...this my suggestion....appoint someone to become 'one stop center'...every thing that deal in bank in /postage must send the item to that person first( after deal with lyn ppl). after osc get the thing then buyer can bank in...and every trade ..osc take the servis charge.

Take 5 mins and think about it, how is it possible to prevent someone from joining the forums?
We can ban his account, then he just creates a new one

You're quite a new member so i guess you dont know, since the past 2 years there's been numerous threads discussing ways to make the trade zone safer
This is not the first time, so PLEASE SOMEBODY isnt anything new

i agree on the above suggestion - lypn to open an online market place where all transactions through lypn pay some process fees. goods & pymt are sent to lypn admin to hold and once confirm per deal will pass out the transactions. lypn can charge a fee % with minimum fee. this will ensure less con case. all dealing outside this system is done under own risk. lypn can employ full time worker......

just a thought

This post has been edited by kitman: Aug 1 2006, 02:28 PM

so if this not the first time ..y still ppl complaint and told that been con....if everything is under their own risk...well, we'll just increase complaint in this forum room. similiar like dog bark at the mountain

This has been already suggested and it wont work in LYN..
Coz there's no ppl tat is free to do this..
Futhermore this way still cant really prevent fraud..

Like cases where conman deals with seller and another different buyer and get the buyer to bank-in money to the seller...
And the goods go to conman instead of getting to the buyer.

How?Easy...

Only buy from safe traders.The message board should award more specific tags for this purposes.These tags should only be granted to eligible members who have produced sufficient documents to prove that they are genuine traders.

The staffs here at Lowyat.net should emulate the procedures at Lelong.com.my and Ebay where traders who wants to set up their online store can apply to do so by faxing in their related verification documents copies such as the IC/photos to the site management.They must have their office contact and H/P numbers verified as well.

Another important thing is RATING!Traders should be rated accordingly with the number of successful transactions made and only buyers/seller should be given the opportunity to write a short remake about the items they've bought.These comments can only be written separately in the trader's item inventory because currently any any tom d*** and harry can bump threads with unrelated comments.

Who knows?The seller might create a few accounts and pretend to sell them to himself in order to market his products.We call these "artificial demands" to lure potential customers.

Like what was mentioned earlier, we should consider a fixed COD location whereby the management of the site can help bulk sellers sell their items.Lelong.com.my has their COD point somewhere located nearby the Taman Bahagia Station if I'm not mistaken.

This post has been edited by tirumisu: Aug 1 2006, 05:38 PM

Let's see how easy it really is

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&cat=9

You're relatively new right? So you may not know this. That there thread is dedicated to Poweredge who built a very solid trading reputation here before pulling off the Great Con.

You have to remember that lelong and ebay both have service charges whilst we don't. Therefore, they can afford full time staff to handle all this while we can't.

But at least you can claim warranty if you bought the item from a shop. Most of the shops in LYP offer one-to-one warranty within first week. You will not be able to claim warranty if you COD the item with a single person who does not has a shop and only offer you on-the-spot warranty (that means if the item is tested fine in his house, he will not be responsible for any malfunction afterward). What you can do is burn his house if you really think he cheated you. But I doubt many will do that.

This post has been edited by westley0214: Aug 1 2006, 07:34 PM

Why don't you start your own forum and show everybody how easy it is?

Please stop trying to turn Lowyat.NET into something else. This is a unique and versatile forum, with its own peculiarities. It will evolve with time; we cannot force it to be what it is not.

You are entitled to your opinions and it is good of you to voice them out because you wish to make this a better forum. But I think you haven't been here long enough the catch the Spirit of Lowyat.NET.

Don't go away just yet. One day your eyes will suddenly open to the Wonders of LYN.
Safe Trading is just a small portion (albeit important) of it.

The best way is to COD.No other method.

But sometimes seller wont be able to provide that kind of service,even me due to lack of resources.

hey even cod also got problem of buyer/seller fkk. anyway lypn can charge a fee for the service provided and from the income can afford FULL TIME staff to run the thingy.

safe trader doesn't mean much - all it takes is 1 deal to con kau-kau.

Hey, you said it not me

Fact of life at LYN : Even though they know that trading at LYN is risky and born by themselves, they will still complain after being conned
Well i dont really see anything wrong with it, as long as they dont go blaming the wrong ppl when complaining

If you or anyone else has a good suggestion on how to make this place safe, do post up your suggestions or PM 1 of the admins
I for one would be grateful if such a method exists

And yeah as above, ratings only help make it a little harder for conmen
It might actually help the big-timers as ppl would feel safer with traders with supposedly good ratings and go all out with payments

Haha,

Thanks for pointing out and making the LY trading rules clearer for me.

Refering to this page,
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=38

The first point about enforceability it entirely true.There are no/insufficient dedicated staffs for it to work but we could still see some suggestions to counter the drawbacks that are found in point 2 and 3 instead.

Quotes from the pages:
Well if a trader wants to do business in here why can't he sacrifice some privacy so that other people may trust him further?The staffs of LY.net do not need to disclose the information directly to the person claims that he/she is a victim of a con act.They can do it with the request from relevent authorities(i.e: police) after a report has been made only when it is really necessary.

About the second limb, don't tell me that there's no trust between the staffs and administrators here.If there are so many organisations such as financial institutions and corporate companies that are able do it why not Lowyat.net?This only applies to those who wish to trade, the other can keep out.

That's where proper verification comes in.Anyone could just fax in a fraud/altered copy of IC, but why not meet up with the person who is producing the documents and have him show you the real IC as proof?It can be troublesome but why not?Trading will be real safe that way.Only then that you shall issue a safe trader tag to the selller.For added convenience, you can have staffs in almost every main city/town in the country for this.I know it requires quite a number of staffs/agents but it will surely make trading really secure.

Anyway it's just my suggestion.I'm also open to critics and additional commments so please don't discourage people like me who are willing to spend some time in writing suggestions/solutions here.When I mentioned that it was easy many have mistakenly took it that I was some arrogant newbie which thought that things can be accomplished very easily.You have mistaken.Sorry of the lack of elaboration there but I was just trying to say that people should only buy from safe tradersthat have been awarded the tag.

This post has been edited by tirumisu: Aug 2 2006, 01:18 AM

Glad to know that you are taking this in the right spirit.

However, your comment that we should only buy from Safe Traders is a chicken and egg situation.

A Safe Trader status is only given to those who have built up a reputation as a good, reliable and trusted trader in this forum. If nobody buys from anybody without a Safe Trader tag, then how can one get a Safe Trader tag in the first place?

If its too good to be true... (you know the rest )
If I manage to get a bulk of LCD for RM500 each and market price is RM1k each,
will I sell it for RM600?? Probably not, I will sell it for at least RM850. I will profit
more because of my ability to get cheap goods and not try sell them cheap
because I get them cheap.

my 2 cents

anyway thanx lyn ppl... good idea to share...forsure to implement what we're said is not an easy ways...but as long there is somebody concern about this...we can make it improve...although this is not pure trading website...atleast lyn moderators have it security sistem to with that...so who wanna start first ...and how we wanna do it...what we wanna do....how many cost it gonna be...so..plan it first then we suggest it to moderators....i will 100% SUPPORT it..although i'm newbie here but i'm not a kid......

This post has been edited by mohd azhar: Aug 2 2006, 12:38 PM

Lowyat.NET is by no means a financial institution. We don't even have an actual office (Its just a bunch of servers in a data center). So, if we do take items to be kept in confidence, it will most probably end up in someone's desk drawer.

Plus, the person holding this information would have to shoulder a LOT of responsibility and trust. He'd have to meet EVERY trader out there and he'd also have to ensure that all items in his possession are safe.

Staffs in every town? Let me reiterate the fact that Staff members and Moderators are ALL volunteers. We can't expect these ppl to go out and collect information. Besides, based on the number of ppl who trade here, that's very impractical (It would have to be a full time job). We can't afford to pay ppl to do this either (The ad revenue is barely enough to fund this site as it is)

We're fine with ppl giving suggestions... Its just that, please give suggestions that are feasible. We get plenty of suggestions that are supposed to reduce fraud and con cases, but at the end of the day, if no one can enforce it, what's the point?

Giving suggestions is easy... Getting someone to actually put into action is another. Will you do it?

We get plenty of suggestions to improve the safety and security of the Trade Zone and we weigh each one carefully to determine if its feasible and practical. And what you've suggested here isn't exactly new.

This post has been edited by H@H@: Aug 2 2006, 05:46 PM

I would like to add to what H@H@ has said about us not being a financial corporation. Heck, our Staffs and Mods come and go all the time, new ones come in, old ones retire or resign. The number of people who would be privy to such information would be way too large. We don't hold our staffs to any confidentiality agreement of any sort (and we probably can't even if we wanted to).

And secondly, we barely have enough time to moderate this site and carry out priority tasks as it is. Lowyat.NET is not all about Trade Zone.

Lastly, I don't really think we have that many cons here to warrant such a drastic measure. There are only 7 pages of threads in the Resolution Corner, most of which consist of FFK or some minor misunderstanding which has been worked out amicably. Quite honestly, this whole 'prevent con' issue has been blown out of proportion and a lot of suggestions here require too much time and effort and cost for a problem that doesn't deserve that much time and effort.