helo..all of lyn ppl...although i'm newbie here i see this is the right place were we can be enterpurnier or bissnesman without spend lot of money and small capital.
but nowdays..it seems to bit risky to make trade up here esspecially when bank-in or postage deal.

Can we make it more secure for postage deal. can any one give an idea about it...for example must put personal detail....before can bank in money...or we can hire some organisation or company or lyn ppl that organize our trade...or what ever than can make dearler or buyer satisfy.

But not all here are conman...i can give u 90% up here is wise person..so...for my conclusion..its better avoid then cure

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&article=38

dont just look for a good seller, try to be a smart buyer...
or u can refer Their Successful Trades List

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jul 27 2006, 06:05 PM

no use one la
it's ratio of luck
everyone can be con here

don't purchase here if the risk is too great for you. when things gets cheap, they are prone into getting higher risk.

we can't just ask the lyn moderators to help us deal on the bulks. they are independent individual whom contribute their spare time to moderate the forum. Unless you're talking about comission and interest la given to them la.

That's not a solution..faith is not enough i think...instead u have a lot of money to trow away or just donate to conperson. what i'm said is how to improve and prevent...as for example..just put conperson name in every forum section esspecially in garage sales..can moderators block this person from join in. And of course there's no free contrubution..moderators whom willing to do ..can take servis charge of it..

talk about risk...even u'r in bed also have a risk...but we talk about how to prevent..for better serve....i also trade for postage..but all depand on trust and faith..lucky...the person was good dealer. but is't affair if u spend all your money or salary ...by the end u been con...how u feel...can smile for the rest of the day.
and i'm talking here for postage deal..COD i think no big deal...

if all of us think ..wait and see is better way...then dont put a single word in this section that u been con

This post has been edited by mohd azhar: Jul 28 2006, 09:30 AM

even COD has its own risk . who knows after few days of usage , the item spoiled ? no one can ensure u that all the products that are dealt through COD are mostly free from problem

and LYN ain't responsible for all the trades made here . so deal at your own risk

This post has been edited by darknessz: Jul 28 2006, 01:46 PM

I doubt successful trades are quite safe..
Its just somebody posting he/she did some trades with other ppls..
Without any verifying needed.

Yeah...But its the same with buying new stuffs anyway....
New stuffs may get faulty after few days too...

Just luck i guess...

yup... it cant avoid, but at least can prevent some... if the ppl intended want to buy somethings and doubt he is the con man, perhaps can pm his buyers to check whether they bought something from tat specfic seller before and enquiry the way he do the business, the product quality, etc

but for sure except the jerry case...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Jul 28 2006, 02:26 PM

day by day..many person been con up here......PLEASE....SOMEBODY..we should do some thing ..or it become worst.......i think we must do 'one stop center' laa...this my suggestion....appoint someone to become 'one stop center'...every thing that deal in bank in /postage must send the item to that person first( after deal with lyn ppl). after osc get the thing then buyer can bank in...and every trade ..osc take the servis charge.

Take 5 mins and think about it, how is it possible to prevent someone from joining the forums?
We can ban his account, then he just creates a new one

You're quite a new member so i guess you dont know, since the past 2 years there's been numerous threads discussing ways to make the trade zone safer
This is not the first time, so PLEASE SOMEBODY isnt anything new

i agree on the above suggestion - lypn to open an online market place where all transactions through lypn pay some process fees. goods & pymt are sent to lypn admin to hold and once confirm per deal will pass out the transactions. lypn can charge a fee % with minimum fee. this will ensure less con case. all dealing outside this system is done under own risk. lypn can employ full time worker......

just a thought

This post has been edited by kitman: Aug 1 2006, 02:28 PM

so if this not the first time ..y still ppl complaint and told that been con....if everything is under their own risk...well, we'll just increase complaint in this forum room. similiar like dog bark at the mountain

This has been already suggested and it wont work in LYN..
Coz there's no ppl tat is free to do this..
Futhermore this way still cant really prevent fraud..

Like cases where conman deals with seller and another different buyer and get the buyer to bank-in money to the seller...
And the goods go to conman instead of getting to the buyer.

How?Easy...

Only buy from safe traders.The message board should award more specific tags for this purposes.These tags should only be granted to eligible members who have produced sufficient documents to prove that they are genuine traders.

The staffs here at Lowyat.net should emulate the procedures at Lelong.com.my and Ebay where traders who wants to set up their online store can apply to do so by faxing in their related verification documents copies such as the IC/photos to the site management.They must have their office contact and H/P numbers verified as well.

Another important thing is RATING!Traders should be rated accordingly with the number of successful transactions made and only buyers/seller should be given the opportunity to write a short remake about the items they've bought.These comments can only be written separately in the trader's item inventory because currently any any tom d*** and harry can bump threads with unrelated comments.

Who knows?The seller might create a few accounts and pretend to sell them to himself in order to market his products.We call these "artificial demands" to lure potential customers.

Like what was mentioned earlier, we should consider a fixed COD location whereby the management of the site can help bulk sellers sell their items.Lelong.com.my has their COD point somewhere located nearby the Taman Bahagia Station if I'm not mistaken.

This post has been edited by tirumisu: Aug 1 2006, 05:38 PM

Let's see how easy it really is

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=faq&cat=9

You're relatively new right? So you may not know this. That there thread is dedicated to Poweredge who built a very solid trading reputation here before pulling off the Great Con.

You have to remember that lelong and ebay both have service charges whilst we don't. Therefore, they can afford full time staff to handle all this while we can't.

But at least you can claim warranty if you bought the item from a shop. Most of the shops in LYP offer one-to-one warranty within first week. You will not be able to claim warranty if you COD the item with a single person who does not has a shop and only offer you on-the-spot warranty (that means if the item is tested fine in his house, he will not be responsible for any malfunction afterward). What you can do is burn his house if you really think he cheated you. But I doubt many will do that.

This post has been edited by westley0214: Aug 1 2006, 07:34 PM

Why don't you start your own forum and show everybody how easy it is?

Please stop trying to turn Lowyat.NET into something else. This is a unique and versatile forum, with its own peculiarities. It will evolve with time; we cannot force it to be what it is not.

You are entitled to your opinions and it is good of you to voice them out because you wish to make this a better forum. But I think you haven't been here long enough the catch the Spirit of Lowyat.NET.

Don't go away just yet. One day your eyes will suddenly open to the Wonders of LYN.
Safe Trading is just a small portion (albeit important) of it.

The best way is to COD.No other method.

But sometimes seller wont be able to provide that kind of service,even me due to lack of resources.

hey even cod also got problem of buyer/seller fkk. anyway lypn can charge a fee for the service provided and from the income can afford FULL TIME staff to run the thingy.

safe trader doesn't mean much - all it takes is 1 deal to con kau-kau.

Hey, you said it not me

Fact of life at LYN : Even though they know that trading at LYN is risky and born by themselves, they will still complain after being conned
Well i dont really see anything wrong with it, as long as they dont go blaming the wrong ppl when complaining

If you or anyone else has a good suggestion on how to make this place safe, do post up your suggestions or PM 1 of the admins
I for one would be grateful if such a method exists

And yeah as above, ratings only help make it a little harder for conmen
It might actually help the big-timers as ppl would feel safer with traders with supposedly good ratings and go all out with payments