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post Jul 5 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(tcchuin @ Jul 5 2014, 10:37 PM)
just realised that there's explanation in the 1st post.

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How about the calculation on the 2nd day after the ex-date? Let say the NAV is even lower than on the ex-date.

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post Jul 5 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(tcchuin @ Jul 5 2014, 10:46 PM)
it's the same as if there's no distribution at all. you can never know the dropping of price when there is no distribution.
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post Jul 5 2014, 11:10 PM

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CIMB-Principal speaker said today if the China fund currently made 10-13% return better realise the profit now and just go away because we never know when the Chinese market will have adjustment again..

RHB-OSK CEO said he never invest in overseas fund. So he don't know overseas fund charges is higher or lower than RHB-OSK charges hmm.gif I still don't know whether invest through RHB-OSK is cheaper or directly invest in the Goldmen Sachs feeder fund is cheaper.
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post Jul 6 2014, 03:03 AM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Jul 5 2014, 11:46 PM)
some folks think that mutual funds = stocks,
not understanding mutual funds' NAV is a pure mathematical value of it's underlying assets (stocks, cash, debt instruments, etc) LESS charges (eg. yearly mgt fee minused daily from the value).

thus, logically - whether a fund's NAV down or up, it doesn't necessarily mean value or over value, unlike stocks - eg dividend paying stocks, which the Dividend Yield increases as the price goes down a lot (assuming dividend paid out is similar to last).

anyhow, to each his own reality & POV lar - i'm just stating statistical facts, not "feel" yar  notworthy.gif
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I think most of the stock and fund investors will look at this way: money is the real value investors getting whether from stock dividend payout or fund distribution. Comparing stock value vs fund NAV? That is non-sense for them. laugh.gif
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post Jul 6 2014, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Jul 6 2014, 08:11 AM)
Sifus.. I still cant find a particular fund. My portfolio is equity heavy thats good which I'm doing monthly dca. However in view I have some extra cash and am interested to top up or buy into a fund under the recommended listt that can enjoy 1% using lump sum instead of dca. Cant find a fund consistently give more than fds return. Was looking at eastspring small cap is it suitable for lum sum at this time
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What I know is most of the recommended funds' returns are better than FD for the past few years. Eastspring small cap is one of them.
Judging from the Msia economic outlook, most of the big cap stocks already reaching fair P/E multiples while the small caps' multiples still below par. There is room to proceed further.
Just my 2 cents. Btw I'm not sifu, just an ikan bilis investor.
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post Jul 6 2014, 10:53 PM

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From yesterday's seminar, the chart shows more than 50% of Fundsupermart investors having 100% portfolio in equity even they are 40 years old and above...
Quite surprisingly Msian investors are risk taker, or just invest blindly for the sake of 'greedy' return hmm.gif
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post Jul 6 2014, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 6 2014, 01:16 PM)
hmm.gif  would you said that, if you had read this posting before......
posted in Mar 2014.... (now is july...had gone up more since than).

"Since January 2013, the gains in the stock prices for the small cap stocks were due entirely to higher valuations. In fact, during this period, earnings and dividend growth were both negative.

This explains why the P/E ratio for FBM SCAP Index went up by a significant 179%, much more than the gain in the index of 47%.

Please let me repeat. Prices for small cap stocks have risen by 47% since January 2013 at a time when the earnings and dividends of these same companies have fallen.

Is that reasonable? Yes, if the starting valuations were low. This was true in January 2013 when the P/E ratio was 9 times and price-to-book ratio was 0.75 times for the FBM SCAP Index.

Is it still rational now? The P/E multiple today for the small caps is 25 times and the price-to-book ratio is 1.10 times. Even if you believe in the stock market, it is better to switch to the FBM KLCI stocks.

It should be noted that the FBM SCAP price to book is almost always below one time (please see Chart 2). The reason for this is simple. Why would you buy a small cap, illiquid – and sometimes risky -- stock above its asset value?"

read entire article and charts and data at
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/highlights/...nal-values.html
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Thanks. According to Eastspring guy, the fund only pick those small caps where great value can be found.
But from the article above, I doubt how many great value small caps left in the market...
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post Jul 6 2014, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Jul 6 2014, 11:34 PM)
I don't think this is quite fair. I would guess that many would prefer to keep non-equity assets in FD and property, which wouldn't be captured in FSM's data. Speaking for myself, I do hold a significant amount in bond funds but I don't see much point in it myself. May as well park in cash management fund or long-term FD.
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Agree with you. Most probably the 100% equity holdings in FSM only constitute 10-30% of the retirees' exposure. The rest are in properties and fixed income/retirement annuities.
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post Jul 7 2014, 09:53 PM

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The current market value already factored in OPR 25 basis point advancement. If there is no change in OPR during this Thursday's meeting, I think the market will definitely crash...

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post Jul 7 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 7 2014, 10:06 PM)
Im thinking of investing 80K into Kenanga Growth Fund and another 20K into ES Small Cap just to balance my risk. Is this a wise move?
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Both are equity fund, how to balance the risk laugh.gif Remember when market crash, all will sink no matter big or small fish.

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post Jul 9 2014, 09:03 PM

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Latest happening on the local market:

1. Trading of CIMB, RHB and MBSB shares on Bursa Malaysia had been suspended.

2. BNM announcement of new OPR tomorrow which either will do or die.

For me, I still believe nothing else other than the out-of-control household debts will bring Malaysia economics toward recession in the 2H 2014.

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post Jul 9 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Jul 9 2014, 09:08 PM)
Do they dare enough to increase it? There is pressure now on them.
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As I mentioned before, the market already factored in the 25 basis point increase during this 2 months, if this doesn't materialised, the market will most probably crash...

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post Jul 10 2014, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(ben3003 @ Jul 10 2014, 09:57 PM)
nice haha.. make no sense to park in bond currently.. up down up down more or less like CMF liao, without the flexibility biggrin.gif
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Bond yield always less than 3% where CMF consistently having...
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post Jul 11 2014, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 11 2014, 10:22 PM)
Ha.. so you are the one that caused the drop today lol smile.gif
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Those ponzi funds hold a lot of cash in hand recently, I don't think they need to sale the shares in order to compensate the traitors.
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post Jul 14 2014, 09:39 PM

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Asia Pacific funds went into red for the pass few weeks e.g. AmAsia Pacific Equity Income Fund --> 1 month -0.30%; 1 week -0.55%. hmm.gif

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post Jul 14 2014, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Jul 14 2014, 09:53 PM)
Market returning to green today... bold green.
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Lets hope the trend will continue until at least end of the year as per what has been predicted by the analysts.
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post Jul 16 2014, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jul 16 2014, 05:46 PM)
Don't FSM sell Public Mutual Funds?
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Nop. I don't thnik PM willing to sacrifice the 5.5% service charge...
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post Jul 16 2014, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Jul 16 2014, 06:08 PM)
hmm, well,  blush.gif
THe service charges in FSM is one off service charge or Front-End Load Funds?
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most of the funds are one off charge and only handful of them will charge during exit.
Service charge is the main source of income for the agents. If PM let the investors DIY I guess 1/4 of the current bloated no. of PM agents will lost job tongue.gif
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post Jul 17 2014, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 17 2014, 05:42 PM)
Well like i said earlier. Im going to invest about 100K into both KGF and Eastspring Small Cap. Your thoughts?

(P/S: Dont know what that earlier guy told us to calm down....i think it was a very healthy discussion we had rite?  biggrin.gif )
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Both the Funds are dependent on Msia day-to-day economic condition. Based on the past records, the return actually quite consistent. Eastspring return better than KGF, hence the volatility risk also higher than KGF.
If you read the economic outlook for the 2H2014 from various sources, the stock, GDP and whatever economy indices forecast will still showing growth at a slower pace. Ultimately, it's still a growth.
How much of this 100k constitute of your investment portfolio? If it's only a small portion then no need to worry so much actually.
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post Jul 18 2014, 10:15 PM

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Asia Pacific funds saw red again yesterday hmm.gif

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