If optional, I can bet not many people want to pay for the club house.

No money to maintain the clubhouse, clubhouse facilities surely deteoriating fast, swimming pool no maintain, fungus grows etc.

So, the argument for club facilities should be made optional doesn't make sense.
The logic of the argument is flaw to start with.

Landed property with strata title vs individual title has both advantage and disadvantage.

Individual title.
No obligation for maintenance fee.
But if want to have security to patrol, safeguard the housing area, then it depends on willingness of neighborhood to contribute to pay for the expenses for it.
If there is people don't want to pay for it, basically, no law can be enforced on them. So you may have awkward situation if some people do not want to cooperate.

But with strata title one, the unit owner is governed by strata title act, that unit owner is obliged to pay the maintenance fee under the strata title act, so action can be imposed on those refuse to pay maintenance as compared to individual title one.

With G&G and clubhouse facilities are features that most wanted by property owner nowadays, a maintenance fund is a must to keep the property in good shape, this is inevitable.
So in this case, strata title act provides the platform for it.

G&G with individual title can be very difficult to manage.
As we know, not everyone may cooperate to contribute to the maintenance fund.

Even in this topic, there is forumer question the rate of maintenance fee based on size of unit.
(although it looks reasonable and logic for most, some also question about it), see whatever kind of people also have in this world.

You can't make optional for any fee for any facilities,
If want to have clubhouse, then everyone must contribute.
or no clubhouse at all.

Only yes or no, cannot be optional, it doesn't work.

It may not useful at all, when there is dispute of it.

The article explained well the awkward situation that may faced by individual title on settting G&G community using DMC.
http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/conveyancin...ies_part_2.html

A lot of owner doesn't realise that by refusing to pay the maintenance fee, one is actually "destroying" the value of property one owned over the long term.

Who want to buy million plus G&G landed property with clubhouse swimming pool growing fungus, no security (no money to pay, hence security also "cabut"), grass growing common area etc.

Living in a strata property (be it G&G landed or highrise), you need to treat it as living in a community instead selfish way.
Everyone must cooperate not only in term of paying maintenance fee, but also in term of follow the house rules made, by then with cooperation of abide to house rules, only then can make the property into a pleasant one living space with good security.

It depends, there are fairly well run MC around as far as I knew, while there are also plenty poorly run as well.

I personally knew 2 properties (mid-to high end one) with high collection rate >90~95%, management fee surplus + sinking fund rack up million plus with property fairly well maintained across.

The issue of maintenance fee is more severe with low cost highrise.
So we need a stricter rule to ensure maintenance fee is paid on time.
At the moment, the strata title act is not strict enough to punish defaulter of maintenance fee hence people take for granted.

As to change the mindset, almost near impossible, hence the only way to improve situation is through stricter strata act, empower MC or COB to enforce the rules.

Yes, if everyone cooperate, surely everything fine and pleasant, disregards whatever kind of property.

The discussion previously that being highlighted is that under individual title, there is no law bidding, all depended on cooperation between neighborhood.
Under strata properties, it is law bidding to pay maintenance fee.

See the word in the statement of "if". I never said which or any individual title property must be bad or must face problem.

Anyway,
any story/info regarding how well/bad/problem of MC/JMB or individual title property is always welcomed.

The story of certain unit owner "gang up" to form JMB/MC to raise maintenance fee and to make profit from running the management is flaw.

An extra-ordinary high maintenance fee will only make potential buyer shy away from the property. With little buyer seeking for the property, the property price has hard time to appreciate, and existing owner may also move away from it as well, which eventually may "kill" their own property value only.

That's reason why only unit owner can vote in AGM/EGM of JMB/MC, but not residents, because if they care about their property value, they need to take care of the property interest including maintenance fee and management related.

What kind of "doc"?

Not everyone knows everything, if known, please share, ty, instead just telling other to do more research.

This post has been edited by cherroy: Apr 6 2014, 10:36 AM