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TShelven
post Mar 31 2014, 12:42 PM, updated 12y ago

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Question about the video.


This video is obviously for level90, my monk is only at level 50 so there are still some stuff i don't know about monk. Rule of thumb, monk dps with energy and Chi. From the video, he explain about how he heal himself and outlast enemy's dps, but, how does he dps down his target to get a kill? Man I see he's almost full Chi everytime.

During my level, my dps skill are Jab and Blackout kick, which eats up my energy and chi pretty fast.

Maybe I'm too soon for the video, just curios laugh.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 10:14 AM

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We dont really outheal dps. More like we got so much utility that we can run around healing ourselves bit by bit.

You'll have a better view when you're 90 with all the utility skills - not sure if you already have fsk at 50.

We can go ard kill ppl and run out of battle, use los and heal up.

Go see his 1v2 vids. You'll get what i mean.
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post Apr 3 2014, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(GingerbreadGirL @ Apr 3 2014, 10:14 AM)
We dont really outheal dps. More like we got so much utility that we can run around healing ourselves bit by bit.

You'll have a better view when you're 90 with all the utility skills - not sure if you already have fsk at 50.

We can go ard kill ppl and run out of battle, use los and heal up.

Go see his 1v2 vids. You'll get what i mean.
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Thanks for the comment, ya I watched his 1v2, 1v3, it's like roll roll roll, fsk, para 1, then drop the sphere to heal, but if he spec on healing elixir and tigereyes brew constantly, he's sacrificing the 10stack dps burst to survive, by doing this, how he can he score a kill since monk doesn't really have a swifty 1 shot burst macro.

I'm 62 now, I have FSK, have RSK now, not sure how it score a kill yet, my self heal still weak. I read abit about monk dps during low level, it is not that strong as compared to other class, cant complain about the balancing at low level but the most i can do in bg is hide and seek, run here run there, para para rclxub.gif

Monk is still kinda fun for its mobility rclxms.gif

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post Apr 3 2014, 02:02 PM

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you dont have to stack all 10 teb b4 bursting. plus to trigger healing elixir you have other brews for that.

if your concern is stacking teb fast for bust get chi brew instead of ascension, which is the normal choice for lvling monks for the 15% haste.

most of my kills i land with popping teb, rjw (i think u dont have this yet) and the stun punch, forgot the name. plus at 90 when u wear pvp gears u get to touch of death on players, when they are less than 10% hp. not to mention we monks have karma that pisses everyone in bg.



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post Sep 8 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(GingerbreadGirL @ Apr 3 2014, 02:02 PM)
you dont have to stack all 10 teb b4 bursting. plus to trigger healing elixir you have other brews for that.

if your concern is stacking teb fast for bust get chi brew instead of ascension, which is the normal choice for lvling monks for the 15% haste.

most of my kills i land with popping teb, rjw (i think u dont have this yet) and the stun punch, forgot the name. plus at 90 when u wear pvp gears u get to touch of death on players, when they are less than 10% hp. not to mention we monks have karma that pisses everyone in bg.
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Not intended to necro old thread but after got my monk to 75, not in AR btw tongue.gif, still working hard on my AR's monk, watched tons of PwndaTV video, pause play rewind, pause play rewind, I got a better view on monk pvp, PwndaTV video really good for new monk as he is telling what skill he's using, what skill he will use next in each fight.

I still seldom score kill and top the damage in bg, due to hunter can 2 shot me with aim shot > arcane shot from back while I tunneling another guy, but I know I do pissed ppl off due to monk's utility. Some people tend to chase me whole map, ignoring the bg objective, just to kill me, yea that was fun. rclxms.gif

I wish bliz fix the slowness on WOD's monk.
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post Sep 10 2014, 01:17 PM

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Recommend you to watch this video on youtube .Just type tosan monk pvp ,You can learn alot

However ,pvp is base on timing ,opportunity and your knowledge to your class ,just forget the rotation .....

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post Sep 11 2014, 04:41 PM

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watch tosan or venruki. low level pvp is not balanced. ww monk is still not a top tier class for serious arena pvp.
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post Sep 12 2014, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Sep 11 2014, 04:41 PM)
watch tosan or venruki. low level pvp is not balanced. ww monk is still not a top tier class for serious arena pvp.
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Agree ,but ww monk was still the melee champion on duel
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post Sep 12 2014, 03:20 PM

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honestly nobody really cares about duel. But if you love dueling, feral is better than ww monk last time b4 the nerf to predatory swiftness. Not sure bout now. infact nobody beats a feral druid 1v1 as proven by reckful's stream during season 14.

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post Sep 13 2014, 01:29 PM

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After the nerf on instant cyclone ,the legend of feral druid is no more

Yes ,no one is care about on duel ,but it still the essense for the basic .for arena ,any mistake you make wont become mess ,becoz you always got your mate to cover your ass

If you really want to know what was unbalance ,just check this out

World pvp is dying ,raid is dying ,arena is dying .btw ,i didnt play wow anymore




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post Sep 13 2014, 04:31 PM

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Nice vid, thats why this game is too broken even with battle fatigue so high up you can still see his healing himself for so much.

Always the last season of any expansion make casters godlike becoz of the amount of haste and crit levels on gear.

i had quit for about 8 mths but i had just resub wow to kill some time when im too free. But after i read the patch notes for wod i kinda lost the mood to play my class.
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post Sep 15 2014, 01:56 PM

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Dude ,he was not just heal himself ,he also use the environment to block his opponent LoS ,tats y he can always top his hp up.Btw ,his opponent is so suck ......where is the counter spell ?

when BC ,i duel with a element shaman outside org ,and he use the same tactics also and this is what you can learn on duel

I think i will resub again becoz of the wod cinematic ,just see how is going on








Gforce,CWOW player,also 1 of the super star on BG9,all his opponent is famous player on CWOW too(they make their own video,got their own fans).this video is record during S4,the gear they wearing was the same ,S4 gladiator set to avoid the "unbalance" issue





Gameking,also CWOW player,one of the mage who duel with Gforce

video highlight: rogue sprint,gameking deep freeze and pre cast poly,rogue dispell deep freeze and get poly at the same time




korean player,everyone know element shammy was how suck on PVP......but he prove that ele shaman was not a loser




neilyo,every rogue know who he is! the video he duel with akrios was epic




drakedog,the legend of destruction warlock,the man who create the destruction tactics with succubus




If you donno the way to kite,pls reroll hunter,danaik will show you a low lv hunter to beat high lv opponent

video highlight: this video is record before blizzard allow hunter can autoshot while moving




the most imba medic......

video highlight:S word:dead counter mage poly

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TShelven
post Sep 20 2014, 09:01 AM

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Ok back to Monk topic, I'm sitting at 200ms latency, but I feel monk is a bit clunky in that latency, can really feel the slowness of a skill being executed after every keystroke, it makes me tend to miss my RSK or overcapped my Chi, ouch that's bad. It hurts so bad when I'm sitting of top of other player especially hunter and still miss my Leg Sweep, or chasing them forever, meaning I failed to close the gap to apply Disable, or missed my FSK by 15 yards.

I think 200ms is pretty decent for US server, anything I can do to improve this? No I don't wanna switch to TW server nor play another class. I just fell in love with Monk.
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post Sep 22 2014, 10:56 AM

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Forthehorde bro, Thats all video very old already bro. last time and now is very different. its all about counter comping nowadays. this game 10 years already. los/death poly is very normal arena tactic if u play above 2k.

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post Sep 22 2014, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(helven @ Sep 20 2014, 09:01 AM)
Ok back to Monk topic, I'm sitting at 200ms latency, but I feel monk is a bit clunky in that latency, can really feel the slowness of a skill being executed after every keystroke, it makes me tend to miss my RSK or overcapped my Chi, ouch that's bad. It hurts so bad when I'm sitting of top of other player especially hunter and still miss my Leg Sweep, or chasing them forever, meaning I failed to close the gap to apply Disable, or missed my FSK by 15 yards.

I think 200ms is pretty decent for US server, anything I can do to improve this? No I don't wanna switch to TW server nor play another class. I just fell in love with Monk.
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Yup there is a big difference, alot of cases of missing to steal an important cc using dark sim even though the spell has not even been casted halfway. Or failed eating a trap even though i shadowstepped and im standing on top of it. Alot issues but we just have to deal with it. I used to play with a japanese to about 2.3k and he is at 80ms. While he was staying in malaysia he noted there is alot of difference due to malaysian latency.

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post Sep 22 2014, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(geno @ Sep 22 2014, 11:05 AM)
Yup there is a big difference, alot of cases of missing to steal an important cc using dark sim even though the spell has not even been casted halfway. Or failed eating a trap even though i shadowstepped and im standing on top of it. Alot issues but we just have to deal with it. I used to play with a japanese to about 2.3k and he is at 80ms. While he was staying in malaysia he noted there is alot of difference due to malaysian latency.
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Tried Reduce the Lag tunneling, same shit, still sitting at 2xx latency. I really hate it when deal with hunter that has damn nice latency and forever chasing to land a Disable even with monk's 10% passive speed boost, Spinning Fire Blossom is nowhere near reliable with latency. It looks like monk is a kill on sight class, I have to keep my paralysis to cc other player that's trying to aim me. And we're going to lose Spinning Fire Blossom while hunter gains passive slow shot doh.gif
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post Sep 22 2014, 12:40 PM

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i feel you bro, i had tried using tunneling as well, no difference. Even if u land ur disable, hunters master's call will counter your disable. You need to think out of the box to be successful, what comp are u playing and which bracket? if 3s, try ww/mage/rdrood. Its a very strong comp, as strong as wmd
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QUOTE(geno @ Sep 22 2014, 12:40 PM)
i feel you bro, i had tried using tunneling as well, no difference. Even if u land ur disable, hunters master's call will counter your disable. You need to think out of the box to be successful, what comp are u playing and which bracket? if 3s, try ww/mage/rdrood. Its a very strong comp, as strong as wmd
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My monk still sitting at level83, still trying to learn other class by doing random bgs, monk is definitely not easy to play but lots of fun to play with. Another thing I have problem is their Aim shot, it does high amount of damage on me prolly due to my gear has no resil atm, but I heard Aim shot is rarely used in max level pvp prolly due to the long cast time, tried disarm them during the cast, it doesn't seems to work hmm.gif

Comp thing is a lil high end stuff for me, I'm fresh on pvp, might need to learn it during WoD
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post Sep 22 2014, 05:44 PM

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Honestly thats not important. Max level pvp is totally different form of metagame. You need to know more about countering comps and the awareness to avoid cc's or peel for your healer in arena.
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post Sep 28 2014, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(geno @ Sep 22 2014, 10:56 AM)
Forthehorde bro, Thats all video very old already bro. last time and now is very different. its all about counter comping nowadays. this game 10 years already. los/death poly is very normal arena tactic if u play above 2k.
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Actually ,the thing i wan to tell is ......blizzard is changing many pvp stuff ,but the basic design concept on the class was still the same .even on today ,a warrior was still hard while facing snare or root effect .maybe the video is record on the "stone age ",but most of the tactic (or mindset ) are still very useful on this day.

i dont like to watch reckful ,swifty's video ,they more like a " show ", showing off big crit ,huge dmg etc . and most of the tactics they do can be done by a macro

China player have a slogan before :没有最强的职业,只有最强的玩家.

You have to know what was your class advantage ,and how your opponent to burst ,and you can learn all of this by duel .but this day ,all ppl was forget about duel ,just because dueling didnt give any reward

2s,3s or 5s are very simple to get 2k rating above ,seriously ...... just depend on you want to pay the gold or not ,alot of player like thyraz is ready to serve you

End of the topic ,you want to become a "noob " but known how to play your class well ,or become a "pro " but always need to be carry ,just decide yourself

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