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 Crusader V1, The unbending champions of Faith & Law

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post Apr 25 2014, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(HeartRoxas @ Apr 25 2014, 10:49 AM)
Towering shield helps boost damage as well.
Their tooltip is either wrong or this is a bug u can abuse right now.
They take into account TOTAL block chance where towering shield gives you 25% when capped and not blocking for 10 seconds. Since Murica builds you need to stand far so this is very viable. I did it yesterday and usually the first pack after I clean the last takes a lot more damage due to full block chance. This is also why people tend to ask shield builds to go Justice Lantern or Helm of Rule so that block chance is high. However I cannot for the love of Akarat give up a SoJ and a Andy's when playing element attack speed spender build.
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hm... took me a while to figure this out. Yeah increase block chance = more dmg to BS.
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post Apr 25 2014, 01:32 PM

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Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?

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post Apr 25 2014, 02:38 PM

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Manner cookie utilize akarat rally for condemn build i think

Dont forget gem also can reduce the cd. Slot in helm

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post Apr 25 2014, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 25 2014, 01:32 PM)
Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?
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Ammy 8, Shoulder 8, ring 7, Glove 8, Helm 12% (dont put 12.5 because it's bugged). Weapons can get 10, Born's 3 set 10.

Also, it's not additive, so it's not 10+10+10+20 = 50 lol.

Formula is 1-((1-10%)*(1-10%)) etc.

Multiplicative.

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post Apr 25 2014, 03:56 PM

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Paper dps = crap

On paper dps I only have 300k, I'm holy build with Fist of the heaven skills + Darklight flair.

Critical 2.5-3mil Condemn critical for 9-10mil.

Cooldown reduction 38%, 20% Holy dmg.

I always run T2 in party.

There is no tank in Diablo, kill fast + run when danger on that spot.
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post Apr 25 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(stevenryl86 @ Apr 25 2014, 03:56 PM)
Paper dps = crap

On paper dps I only have 300k, I'm holy build with Fist of the heaven skills + Darklight flair. 

Critical 2.5-3mil Condemn critical for 9-10mil.

Cooldown reduction 38%, 20% Holy dmg.

I always run T2 in party.

There is no tank in Diablo, kill fast + run when danger on that spot.
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cool story u have there bru. no tank monks can go cry themselves or just delete the class from game.

indeed paper dps mean nothing. Pretty sure everyone has past this point.

I'm on 82% holy, my eDPS is 1.4m, to elite is 1.6m. Sheet dps is 800k only.

Using Skycutter. Blessed shield Crits One shield throw 7-9m. To elite 12-16m. 2 shields out per second, bounce 9 mobs + shattering throw.

http://jleight.com/d3ps/

Use this to calculate.


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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 25 2014, 01:32 PM)
Just found a blade of prophecy. Can test it but i dont have much cool down reduction to maximize this build. Need 50% cdr i heard

Wep 10, paragon 10, crimson set 2 piece 10. Where to get remainder 20?

Glove, amy, ring ?
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Helm with diamond gem
Moogle Stiltzkin
post Apr 25 2014, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(FrostLance @ Apr 25 2014, 04:16 PM)
Helm with diamond gem
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Thx for the tips on cdr every1 smile.gif much appreciated.


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post Apr 25 2014, 06:54 PM

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Im going for capt malaysia build shatter shield throw thing.

Lacking of gear but im using burst of wrath 2 hand sword + a rare shield
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post Apr 26 2014, 07:42 PM

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Found a mortal drama 2.6 k dps lightning with str vit cdr max wrath.

Do i reroll vit or cdr for socket.

Its 1000+ vit or 7% cooldown reduc.

I undersand bomba builds are very cdr intensive , but is it worth losing 1k vit ? Or can i make up the cdr elsewhere to still have a viable cdr to spam bombatdment ?

Also what build do people recommend for this new wep?


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post Apr 27 2014, 09:47 AM

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Hello to all the Sifus Crusader here! notworthy.gif

Newbie Crusader reporting in rclxm9.gif

Siu dai here is a bit lost in the path of crusade, hope some sifus can give me some guidance.. sad.gif

I've been thinking that, a 1handed weapon or 2handed weapon is the crusader best friend?

I've tried both personally, 1handed give me the attack speed boost and it's fun to spam skill but the dps is much lower... But on the other hand, 2handed gives good damage but slower down my movement speed and damage sad.gif

I've also facing that, crusader has a lot skills with damn long cool down time (those with massive damages like Bombardment). How you guys overcome this? Is it using Akarat's Champion (Rally)? Or just ignore Bombardment and spam other skills instead?

This is my profile:-
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/jchan-6774/hero/43715877

And I would like to have guidance from the sifus in here regarding these 2 weapons, which you prefer? or both can be salvage shocking.gif

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This weapon, which stats should be roll away for Socket? My main damages now are holy, does the poison will affect my damages?

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Is this a good weapon? If it a good weapon, which status should be roll and which stat I should get?

Hope to get some guide from all the sifus here, thanks in advance!
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post Apr 27 2014, 10:27 AM

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Darklight is good for lightning build.
FotH - Fissure.
Stack lightning damage and the arc does respectable damage.

Imho, an option you can consider in enchanting is to turn the lightning damage to to a higher dps normal damage to fully take advantage of your 10% damage immediately (conversely, you can wait for the bug-fix). 2.3k++ dps

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy damage.

Use provoke-charged up with your shield glare to keep refilling mana to continuously spam FotH.

In the argument between 1H or 2H is better, if your only options are stalgard's vs. darklight, imho again, darklight wins.

Using the 1H route tho, even tho weapon dps *may* be not too far off (2.3k vs 2.7k is only 17% off) , weapon damage itself is far lower than 2H due to the attack speed and may not be optimal for high cooldown burst skills, therefore I would avoid bombardment.

All this is my personal opinion, based on my limited knowledge and subject to change.

Cheers

P.s: I've tried the darklight build before and it clears T1 rather quickly but I still prefer the condemn route.
P.p.s: 1H's best choice is http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote with http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord

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post Apr 27 2014, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Apr 26 2014, 07:42 PM)
Found a mortal drama 2.6 k dps lightning with str vit cdr max wrath.

Do i reroll vit or cdr for socket.

Its 1000+ vit or 7% cooldown reduc.

I undersand bomba builds are very cdr intensive , but is it worth losing 1k vit ? Or can i make up the cdr elsewhere to still have a viable cdr to spam bombatdment ?

Also what build do people recommend for this new wep?
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You can get 7% CDR from most slots easily but you will need 1.5-2 slots (usually) to get 1000+ vit.
Based on that I will keep the vit.

No idea on bomb builds sad.gif

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post Apr 27 2014, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:27 AM)
Darklight is good for lightning build.
FotH - Fissure.
Stack lightning damage and the arc does respectable damage.

Imho, an option you can consider in enchanting is to turn the lightning damage to to a higher dps normal damage to fully take advantage of your 10% damage immediately (conversely, you can wait for the bug-fix). 2.3k++ dps

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy damage.

Use provoke-charged up with your shield glare to keep refilling mana to continuously spam FotH.

In the argument between 1H or 2H is better, if your only options are stalgard's vs. darklight, imho again, darklight wins.

Using the 1H route tho, even tho weapon dps *may* be not too far off (2.3k vs 2.7k is only 17% off) , weapon damage itself is far lower than 2H due to the attack speed and may not be optimal for high cooldown burst skills, therefore I would avoid bombardment.

All this is my personal opinion, based on my limited knowledge and subject to change.

Cheers

P.s: I've tried the darklight build before and it clears T1 rather quickly but I still prefer the condemn route.
P.p.s: 1H's best choice is http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/gyrfalcons-foote with http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/jekangbord
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I've tried as your advice works pretty well biggrin.gif

Seems like I have to start building up lighting build for now hmm.gif
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post Apr 27 2014, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:27 AM)

There is one downside to the darklight build, which is stacking lightning damage when the accepted conventional "end-game" route is to stack holy .
This is spot on. Interesting enough other skills builds are also affected.

Bombardment is physical....... fire stacking for stuff like blessed combust also conflicts.

It all comes down to not getting the benefit of holy cause our primary heal skill for holy dmg.....
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post Apr 27 2014, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(stevie @ Apr 27 2014, 10:30 AM)
You can get 7% CDR from most slots easily but you will need 1.5-2 slots (usually) to get 1000+ vit.
Based on that I will keep the vit.

No idea on bomb builds sad.gif
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Thk u.

The reason i ask is cause im not originally cdr stacked so not experienced with cdr heavy builds or bombardment. Guess that helps.

I also found a blade of prohecy with holy , str, cdr 10 and socket. Is 2.5k ish dps though.

For t6 do i bop or drama ?
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post Apr 27 2014, 12:47 PM

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That sounds like a good BoP.
Keep rerolling until u get high dps holy dmg. (Easier said than done tho. my reroll cost for my BoP is 1mil+ per try now -.-)

I can do T4 max (solo inefficiently) only, can't comment on T6 lol.

With regards to CDR, the efficient way to do it is max rolls on slots due to diminishing returns.

Example. 5 slots of 8 CDR will give u 34.1 % (sum 40%) but 6 slots of 7 CDR will give 35.2% (sum 42%) there is a 1% penalty, penalty grows as more slots are used.

I had a theorycraft for crafted crus gears (shit luck on crus. 150+ hours only 2 akkhan, don't think i will ever complete, but then again, no RoRG as well)

Chest - Born's Frozen Soul
Shoulder - Born's Privilege
Bracer - Aughild's Search
Helm - Aughild's Spike
Gloves - Cain's Scriviner
Boots - Cain's Travelers
Belt - Captain Crimson's Silk Girdle
Pants - Captain Crimson's Thrust


Bonus Exp - 70%
Regen - 2000
AR - 50
Life - 15%
DR Melee - 7%
DR Range - 7%
DR Elites - 15%
Elite Dmg - 15%
Attack Speed - 8%
CDR - 20%
RRC - 10%
MF - 50%

With Bonus x2 @ 10%, BoP 10%, Gloves, Shoulder, Shield, and 1 ring 8% and 12% gem, Paragon 10% you will get a 59% real CDR (55% if you lose 1 8% CDR slot) in total, have all the set bonuses, and yet still maintain a very respectable dps and toughness.

A real alternative to Akkhan as its firstly very hard to complete, and secondly hard to get good rolls on all slots.

Now if only RNG will give me that RoRG. sad.gif

Disclaimer: Based on my limited understanding of mechanics as well. Correct me where I'm wrong.
Edit: Cain's 2pc can be replaced by Asheera's 2pc same slots for a lot more survivability at higher torment. Personally I'm aiming for efficient T4. T4 to T6 to do at the same level you need, survive double the dmg, deal triple the dps and only get double exp and gold. lol. So many things to achieve for seemingly not much additonal benefit.

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post Apr 27 2014, 01:02 PM

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For comparison, Cookie has 45% real CDR on top of his 50% Akarats.
So his real Akarat's CDR is 72.5% with 50% (possibly plus 10% paragon) cost reduction as well.

With brings us to calculate Manner's 20/22.95 @ 87% Akarat's uptime vs. 20/36.9 @54.2% Akarat's uptime.

Still a big difference in uptime :/
But I'm hoping good enough as we still have to move through packs. Def won't be as mobile as cookie.

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post Apr 27 2014, 02:08 PM

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If you use crimdon set you wont get akkhan bonus, or you replace reaper wraps .... makes me wonder if crimson is worth the trouble.

Good info on cdr. But does paragon cdr and crimson count as a socket each ?
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post Apr 27 2014, 07:48 PM

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Hi fellow crus. Currently i still cant really decide on what type of crus that should i focusing on.

Currently im running holy crus with FotH (Divine Well rune)
I stacked holy damage at bracer (reaper wrap) , shield (hallowed protector), and stone of jordan (holy)

In my inventory have some other BiS item for fire and lightning as well.

For fire :
Magefist (can be rolled to trifecta), 2.7k dps of Maximus, and also Fire shoe(forget the name)

Now i planning to try FotH lightning build, i already crafted Lightning holy wrap (str,vit, cc) , i also have another SoJ (lightning), Andariel (lightning)... to complete it i currently hunt for lightning lidless wall.

I dont know either FotH (fissure) or FotH (Divine) better.


I also had read that currently Condemn build is more reliable on higher torment.

Im glad that in my stash have 4 piece of arkhan (i need 1 more piece to have complete set bonus as i already have royal ring too and also a BoP.

I need to decide it soon as it is better i geared toward end game, but i so enjoy my flashy FotH style (but only viable at lower tormemt)

What u say guys?

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