Control his yin power? I understand that the frog is related to naruto's nine tail seal.

Manga characters strength has never been fixed. They get to be super powerful out a sudden...

Wouldn't it be easier if you refer to the manga?

Anyway i think Tobi isn't Madara but its sad that if Madara really died to the 1st hokage.

Which post?

Anyway it's a theory

I say he loses to konan...unless suddenly jiraiya became so strong.

Bloody shit...i clicked on it now i have no intention to read the manga anymore...

haha thats dam funny. Too bad they dont show his eyes. If not maybe we can find out whether his body with the spiralling eyes is his original body or not.

And somehow Jiraiya's students all turn out to be super strong.

It's obvious isn't it.

That's probably because he defeated hanzou and became the new leader of Land of Rain...

Weird and unlikely but not impossible.

Since when he looks anywhere close to a good kid?

If he can do it probably be able to master it in the near future.

So they aren't the kids in the picture with minato in it.

I wonder what happened to the other kid besides kanon and pain. Ain't jugo i presume since jugo don't look like he want to commit crimes but due to his blood but the kid seems to want to revenge.

That kid don't seem to have a problem like jugo did. Doubt they are the same kid.

He didn't ask them to collect the Akatsuki dead members body but asks Zetsu to clean it up by consuming them. Besides he didn't collect Deidara(exploded), Kakuzu(currently in the hands of Konoha IIRC), Hidan(underground) bodies. I presume he didn't collect Sasori's body too since almost nothing is left except his puppet. Pein only mentioned for Zetsu to collect the akatsuki rings.

I doubt that's juugo.

Don't make sense to why he need to do that...probably switched body for upper hand maybe more advantage in that body.

And the 4th should be younger than nagato and co. since that time jiraiya was still grouped with tsunade and orochimaru as students while he taught the 4th when he has his own team.

And wouldn't pain want Jiraiya to fill hurt since he have some hatred against him probably due to whatsoever happen when jiraiya left them. Using yahiko body if affects jiraiya's feeling would be an advantage.

Then Hanzo should improve too.

He probably killed Hanzo recently. What i meant is that another forummer insist that jiraiya would have improve over the time. The time Pain killed Hanzo, Hanzo probably improved too.

lol editted...

This post has been edited by Polar_012: Oct 14 2007, 09:20 AM

And where did you conclude this from?

And where did you get this again? He is only in 1 body at a time...

Go read the manga...

Maybe he's special lol. Or the lobster is just like a summoning for once. See how he got destroys by Jiraiya and pein isn't bothered. While the chameleon to pein should be like gamabunta to jiraiya.