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gark
post Apr 14 2014, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 14 2014, 10:33 AM)
I'm waiting whistling.gif
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Why wait? Buy now... tongue.gif

Since you so confident...
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post Apr 14 2014, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 14 2014, 11:00 AM)
How's topglov at 4.8? Worth going in? Hand itchy
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Nope...
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post Apr 14 2014, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 14 2014, 11:02 AM)
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Saw its earnings, fell slightly from last year. Stagnant growth
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Then...? rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 14 2014, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 14 2014, 11:57 AM)
oi! tongue.gif
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post Apr 14 2014, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Apr 14 2014, 02:23 PM)
My reserve ammo for Nestle...seems like will never see action doh.gif

Opportunity cost? sad.gif
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Nestle hor.. this kind of share (one of the few KLSE stalwarts) even in 2001/2005/2008 also drop <10%....

So hor... waiting is futile one...

If REALLY REALLY want to buy... rolleyes.gif

Just close eye and buy then keep in freezer.. wink.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Apr 15 2014, 09:20 AM)
homer have to wait another 2 months  yawn.gif  yawn.gif  yawn.gif  yawn.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(lambethwalk @ Apr 15 2014, 10:21 AM)
ok let's put aside homer for a while.

what's your opinion of lost opportunity cost?  smile.gif
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If in 2 years it can make up for it, and get at least 20%, i don't view that as 'lost' of opportunity cost rather better put as 'deferred' earnings. This way you will have the mentality to hold for longer term.

And yes my minimum criteria for any investment is 10% p.a. 'only', no need put too high expectations... sleep.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 10:37 AM

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Boon3 Already trigger your CP for Inari? wink.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Apr 15 2014, 11:03 AM)
bull market you'll usually hit it more than 20% per year 1 based on my observation. even gark can double his portfolio in a year whistling.gif

2 years? i 2 months already 12% wor.... but the amount no much... and i suspect recent price are high.... although you all are mentioning about those satu enam thingy rclxub.gif
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Of course you can get 50%, 100% and 200%... but 10% p.a. is my minimum. Any less I don't bother to hold.

Sometimes you need to be in the mindset to be able to hold longer. Less expectation, the less stress you have in your investment. High expectation, when cannot get, will result in disappointment. whistling.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 15 2014, 11:15 AM)
7-10% is a bit low... I thought most people invest in stock because they want to double or triple?  laugh.gif
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Well of course everyone want double or triple.. but you must have a base line correct? tongue.gif And also need average out with your 'losses'... whistling.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 11:24 AM)
LOL! Sked already ah? tongue.gif

Told you the other day, the price is already stalling....

... as you can see, price weakness has now crept in....

..... price now only 264..... wink.gif

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Mlost important.. you sudah potong or not? icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 12:06 PM)
Who has mid valley and wanna sell? I buy at 1.1
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I got.. sell to you at 1.20 ... want? tongue.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Apr 15 2014, 12:23 PM)
Its better to lose the RM300 than get whacked by Boon3 for buying this stock.... but wait see what he reply first....
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post Apr 15 2014, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 12:44 PM)
I jump you jump meh?
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IF you jump... then i can consider lah.. laugh.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 12:49 PM)
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10 cent only mah.... consider belanja 1 sweet loh... tongue.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 12:54 PM)
Why u follow me  cry.gif

Now I copy pink spiderman

10 cents x 7000 only ma

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why must 7k.. i sell u 1 lot = 100 shares lah.. ok? icon_idea.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 01:36 PM

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LOL... a nice write up on stock market expectation, jumping in and out and opportunity cost...

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I had an interest conversation with my friend's young son over the last weekend. He asked me what to invest. I told him to buy a property when he is still young. He said it is out of question at the moment. He just started to work not too long. Then I told him to save enough and prepare to buy property as soon as he could afford it. He complained this is boring, not that save money itself is not important but the amount he could manage to save every month is so paltry that it just doesn't motivate him. It is a plausible reason by a 20-plus young man in view of current cost of living environment.

He shyly told me that he has 10 grands in his fixed deposit account and he wanted to maximise the returns. He wanted to invest in the stock market. The conversation goes something like this:-

Boy : UncleZ, do you have any good shares to recommend?

UncleZ : No need any recommendation. Now the stock market is so positive. Chances are, any stock you pick will go up.

Boy : My friends said the same thing too. They told me they had made many rounds of pocket money. But they got burnt by Dsonic recently. Now I am a bit sceptical.  Any advice from you, UncleZ?

UncleZ : Did you ask them why they got burnt in the first place?

Boy : They quickly cut loss when the share dropped so drastically.

UncleZ : That's the problem. Anyway, before I tell you what to invest, tell me your expectation of capital returns?

Boy : I hope could double my capital. My 10 grands become 20 grands.

UncleZ : That is 100% ! How long would you like it to happen?

Boy : Maybe in half a year's time. oh no, it would be nice in 3 months.

UncleZ : Young man, why don't you look at it this way. Bank interest for FD is 3% - 4% per year. So, your investment in stock market should give you returns higher than that in FD. It has to be. Because of higher risk in stock market, the returns must be 10% at the minimum. So,  why not take 10% as a start instead of 100%.

Boy : What? 10% only? that means only 1 grand profit in a year's time? That doesn't sound interesting, UncleZ.

UncleZ : You have to manage your expectation mindset first before you put your foot into the stock market. It is a jungle out there. A merciless one on top of that.

Boy : I heard people make money by just making few phone calls a day. Few hundreds, some few thousands a day easily.

UncleZ : True. It is possible. But you are not them. In fact, probably you won't hear when they are making losses. You only hear when they are making profits. Look young man, of course making 10% from stock market is no brainer. You should target to make 100% profit but with a different mindset. Your mindset must be that of long term view. It may takes you 2 years to realise the 100% profit. If you are good in this game, 100% profit in 1 year is possible. If you managed to get 100% profit in half a year's time, that's bonus!

But to set a expectation of 100% profit within few months right from the start is dangerous. You could not manage your emotion if your have such expectation. Greed will take over you. Greed is emotion.

Boy : What shares can I buy with just 10 grands? Presbhd is already close to 4. I only can buy 2.5 lots the most. With just 2.5 lots, I cannot earn much even if the share price fly.

UncleZ : You are right and wrong. Right is that just 2.5 lots won't make a lot of money for you. Wrong is that if it fly, you still good gain in percentage term. The bottom line is, you are still making money and not losing money.

Boy : I never thought of that. I am thinking to buy cheap shares because it has higher chance to increase by 100% or 200%.

UncleZ : There is no such thing as cheap stock. The stock market would not readily wait for you to pick up the cheap stock.  There is only affordable stock but not necessary cheap. For example, a 50 cents stock is not necessary cheap. In fact, it may be more expensive than a RM5.00 stock in valuation terms. But 50 cents stock is certainly considered an affordable stock, never mind whether it is expensive or cheap. Speculators do not differentiate that anyway.

Boy : My brain started to jam already. Any affordable shares to play, oh no, to invest?

UncleZ : Invest in this one. It is only 34 cents. It fits your current financial situation for investment. Keep for 2 years or atleast a year. My only worry is, along the way, you may tempted to exit because there will always be temptation of greener pasture over the other side. But don't get distracted. Take this as your first investment training ground. Investment skill is not learnt over night. Anyway, your 10 grands won't get you anywhere if you hop in and out everywhere.

Boy : Alright. Thank you so much. I have one question. DSonic still can buy?

UncleZ : Nahhh..... Not for you. You sure will hop in and hop out the moment the price recovers. You may make little bit money here and there but that is all you will get. No point.


http://unclezmalaysia.blogspot.com/2014/04...-to-invest.html
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post Apr 15 2014, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 02:05 PM)
I intend to bid 7k  brows.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 03:18 PM)
I did some already.... 10%++
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Means you sold some...? hmm.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 03:52 PM)
I'm trying to understand the whole DSonic fiasco. How did it turn into a bubble in the first place? Was it because of some news?
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High growth stock -> price goes high -> people chase blindly -> overpriced -> selldown -> panic selling

What is so hard to understand... rolleyes.gif

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