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jonchai
post Apr 15 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 15 2014, 04:48 PM)
Stock price NOT EQUAL to FV one .. can undershoot or overshoot one... whistling.gif
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This is true, but if a stock is overvalued, it tends to move towards FV, likewise, undervalued stock tends to move up towards FV. So FV is the closest benchmark
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:48 PM)
Which other co. are u using as benchmark for your FV?
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No need other co.. just look at the earnings report only...
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:10 PM)
Boon asked me not to play kfc ah .... So I buy lower lo  brows.gif
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Me again? doh.gif

Sometimes stocks are like rubber band.....

If you pull it too much at one direction it will break one...

once broken.....

no need to talk FV or what not jor....

if still do not understand...

once broken.... stay the hell out.

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China shares drop over 1% as banks hit by weak data

BEIJING: China shares fell sharply on Tuesday as the banking sector took a beating after data showed the country's money supply grew at its slowest pace in more than a decade.

The Shanghai Composite Index ended down 1.4 percent at 2,101.60 points. The CSI300 of the leading Shanghai and Shenzhen A-share listings lost 1.7 percent.

The CSI300 banking subindex fell 2.3 percent after statistics showed China's money supply grew at its weakest pace since 2001 and loan growth slowed in March.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...t-by-weak-data/

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 04:53 PM)
Me again? doh.gif

Sometimes stocks are like rubber band.....

If you pull it too much at one direction it will break one...

once broken.....

no need to talk FV or what not jor....

if still do not understand...

once broken.... stay the hell out.

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don't die a hero.
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Haha, like I said, you're the grandmaster liao.

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:50 PM)
This is true, but if a stock is overvalued, it tends to move towards FV, likewise, undervalued stock tends to move up towards FV. So FV is the closest benchmark
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if FV wrong leh ? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 15 2014, 04:52 PM)
No need other co.. just look at the earnings report only...
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Just wondering what are the models you use to calculate FV.

Back in uni days, we were taught cash flow discounting. Uncle google says PE and forward PE hmm.gif
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 15 2014, 04:54 PM)
if FV wrong leh ?  laugh.gif
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Quote gark .... Heart must be steady brows.gif
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 15 2014, 04:53 PM)
China shares drop over 1% as banks hit by weak data

BEIJING: China shares fell sharply on Tuesday as the banking sector took a beating after data showed the country's money supply grew at its slowest pace in more than a decade.

The Shanghai Composite Index ended down 1.4 percent at 2,101.60 points. The CSI300 of the leading Shanghai and Shenzhen A-share listings lost 1.7 percent.

The CSI300 banking subindex fell 2.3 percent after statistics showed China's money supply grew at its weakest pace since 2001 and loan growth slowed in March.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...t-by-weak-data/
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you made me cry.gif ,
But hor last 3 weeks already up almost 15 % every bank. So correction a bit is normal actually.
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 15 2014, 04:53 PM)
China shares drop over 1% as banks hit by weak data

BEIJING: China shares fell sharply on Tuesday as the banking sector took a beating after data showed the country's money supply grew at its slowest pace in more than a decade.

The Shanghai Composite Index ended down 1.4 percent at 2,101.60 points. The CSI300 of the leading Shanghai and Shenzhen A-share listings lost 1.7 percent.

The CSI300 banking subindex fell 2.3 percent after statistics showed China's money supply grew at its weakest pace since 2001 and loan growth slowed in March.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...t-by-weak-data/
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Don't worry. China can keep printing RMB as well brows.gif

Keep injecting funds into banks
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:50 PM)
This is true, but if a stock is overvalued, it tends to move towards FV, likewise, undervalued stock tends to move up towards FV. So FV is the closest benchmark
The human mind is strange at times....

when the stock moves up... people scared it fall.
when the stock moves down.... people scared they miss out if the stock U-turn and rise back.

why?

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post Apr 15 2014, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 15 2014, 04:56 PM)
you made meĀ  cry.gif ,
But hor last 3 weeks already up almost 15 % every bank. So correction a bit is normal actually.
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China bank is also like a rubber band stretched too far already... but this one not the price but the NPL... whistling.gif

Like Boon say.. waiting when want to snap only... rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 04:57 PM)
The human mind is strange at times....

when the stock moves up... people scared it fall.
when the stock moves down.... people scared they miss out if the stock U-turn and rise back.

why?

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Apr 15 2014, 04:57 PM)
The human mind is strange at times....

when the stock moves up... people scared it fall.
when the stock moves down.... people scared they miss out if the stock U-turn and rise back.

why?

whistling.gif
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Fear and greed brows.gif
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post Apr 15 2014, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:56 PM)
Quote gark .... Heart must be steady  brows.gif
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If FV wrong.. then dig own grave lar.. apa steady steady? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 15 2014, 04:58 PM)
China bank is also like a rubber band stretched too far already... but this one not the price but the NPL...  whistling.gif

Like Boon say.. waiting when want to snap only...  rolleyes.gif
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I also scared scared when see the NPL....hold these stocks for 1 and half year. Can't even beat FD.

Lee Kah Shing just cancelled many developer project in Mainland China...made me more sweat.gif


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No. It's KIASU.
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QUOTE(gark @ Apr 15 2014, 04:58 PM)
China bank is also like a rubber band stretched too far already... but this one not the price but the NPL...  whistling.gif

Like Boon say.. waiting when want to snap only...  rolleyes.gif
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I remember.... reading recently a report saying the banks were selling under its cash per share value....

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I wonder why.... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jonchai @ Apr 15 2014, 04:55 PM)
Just wondering what are the models you use to calculate FV.

Back in uni days, we were taught cash flow discounting. Uncle google says PE and forward PE  hmm.gif
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From what I read, DCFA is best for mature companies. Growth companies need cash for re-investment, so cash flow fluctuates.

For REIT, net rental income...

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post Apr 15 2014, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 15 2014, 05:00 PM)
I also scared scared when see the NPL....hold these stocks for 1 and half year. Can't even beat FD.

Lee Kah Shing just cancelled many developer project in Mainland China...made me moreĀ  sweat.gif
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The NPL they let you see is just the tip of the ice berg... a lot of NPL is off the books one in china.. like lehman minibonds where the FFF risk is re-packaged into a AAA investment.

Already got a few of these 'investment grade' default, but still the government cover up... the rest when want burst only. laugh.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Apr 15 2014, 05:04 PM

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