Tournament that using AP rules in stupid in my opinion ..

There is the reason why Sladar and Centaur are not in the same..( some example )

Just as someone said, Dota's main theme is about ' good vs bad '.

and about the time-limit, I think SMM rules probably is the best.

60min and the scoring system is perfect. You kill, You raze , you get the point

Unlike WGC, OMFG, 1 More TOWER! we will win!! Let me SUICIDE!!!

AR is imbalance..

Why not using -Tr mode as 3rd round? (team random)

Well, here what I found at Dota-Allstar forum..migh off-topic though..

http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=60219

isnt that TDA rules dont have time-limit? I used to be watch TDA clan replays for 2 hours just for single match..

Backdoor just ruin the purpose of the game..the game suppose to force the players push together and destroy the throne/tree.

and Backdoor isnt really that effective anymore in v6 because TownPortal can easily grant 9999 armor to the building to prevent backdoor.




ward on neutral can be countered by gem..I dont see why is the big fuss about it. It is players' fault for not getting gem to counter it..I doubt the opponent going to warding at neutral creep area after you destroy the ward few times.



Well, it is up to the players's decision..Play safe or take the risk against the main throne/tree.

How many ward does your opponent actually can plant? the freaking ward cost 215~375... 5 time warding mean = 1075 gold~1875 gold gone under 1 minute.

How bias! Warding make Chen weaker by 50% Yeah..but what happen if he got the creep? Isnt that make Scourage Team weaker by 50% and Sentinel 150% stronger as well? This is also one of the counter for Scourage against Sentinel.
How can someone forbid the ward just for the Chen's benefit?



if your opponent decide to buy 1 ward per game, then yes..Gem is waste of money but what if your opponent are massing ward?

How many ward you put also useless if the Gem Holder decide to destroy the ward over and over again...5 time ward cost 1075 gold...

1075 - 750 = 325 gold..OMG

Just watch the previous SMM replays, those team brought ward more than 5 time than usual.



Fair mode?

Enigma + Magnataur + Lich + Treant + EarthShaker = OMG!!!!

I know there is more wicked combo..the one I just mentioned is one of them.

You should know there is a reason why all stunner/disable/Aoe are not from the same side.



One of the rule of WCG..I wonder why...isnt there is -LM for this purpose?

and AP as tournament rule? then why bother to toss the coin to decide which side that you going to play since you can pick ALL heroes from the both side. Dont start with me about terrain advantage.

This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Jul 25 2006, 07:32 PM

Well, there is a command called -lm for that reason..or maybe the lm dont work with AP?



This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Jul 26 2006, 01:07 AM

as I said, this is ONE of those wicked combo...the possibility of the wicked combo are just too many...

Magnataur dont need to catch all of them. Leave that to Enigma's black hole, then continue with Treant's Ultimate and followin with Magnataur..not that hard isnt it?

I dont know where did you guys take the idea that Magnataur MUST the one who use the ultimate as opener though.

and I seriously dont see why you guys so excited about AP for tournament...it completely ruin the game mode and kill the main theme of dota..

People always whine that dota is IMBA because of AP combo usually is the one who affect the gameplay and balance. AP are meant for fun..it dont meant for serious gaming.



This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Jul 26 2006, 01:00 AM

You dont get it isnt it? The combo I just mentioned is ONE of the wicked combo. For a pro or good players, they probably change some hero line to perfect it or create a better wicked combo.

and farming 2150 gold is not impossible in the early game...Just look back at those SMM replays, farming 2150 gold is still doable. Heck, some of them even manage to get Dagger at Lv6.

and about the hero line that I just mentioned, it just an example..I dont see why you ever bother to debate the 'example' ..

if you really want to debate, go Dota-Allstar forum's team strategy corner, I pretty sure they will give you a good reason why AP Combo is wicked.

This post has been edited by zxcvbnm: Jul 26 2006, 01:05 AM

If I not mistaken, isnt that Chen need lv7 in the order to max his creep control skills? So I dont see why must Chen aiming for gem at Lv1.

and I dont see why must Chen going inside jungle for ward-hunting if he dont spot any opposite heroes at the mini-maps.



This guys speak the truth...

isnt that Asian WCG players suppose going to clash against other western country as the time come? If that so, Using -AP definitely is a bad move..

if Asian WCG are not suppose to clash against other country, I guess -AP is okay since Singaporean just love it.

and for those who said Scourge is more powerful than Sentinel in v632, I just dont get it ..Mind to enlight to me ? Because it seem that everyone in western country/tournament dont really have the problem with that version until it need AP mode to balance out the things.

and IF the tournament are using -AP mode, that mean the marshall will decide the winner in 1 game?

My thought About the rule:

Game mode = -LM or Normal Pick
Game length = 60mins~ 75mins
Use SMM scoring system
No backdoor restrictions.
No warding restrictions
No bugs exploitation.

isnt that LM and team Pick serve the same purpose except the 20 seconds things?