Actually, for me dota is already an unbalance game.
Different rules will have different type of playing. To make a fair rules for each side will take very long time and experience.
Some say 60minute is good enough, why wcg change? cause alot gamers complain 60minute is not enough. Some like WCG Rules, Some prefer SMM rules.
I think the most important thing right now is we standardise the game rules for every tournament.

If wcg really have that much time, i got a better rules =P
But if really got 128 teams then problem a bit.

Lets say, i got a rules which i think is most fair to both side but it requires to play for 2 hours straight. Will it be too stressful for the gamers?

Well i dun think that smm rules is fairer than wcg rules or vice-versa.
To me, different rules = different style of playing.

I've call up a meeting for all dota marshal. We'll discuss about the rules. I hope to get more feedback from gamers, I will bring your feedback up on the meeting.

HAhah synzo, that's what i have in my mind. That's why i asked, will it be stressful if u all need to play 2 hours straight.

even if u mass aegis, if opponent with damage items, before u reach the tower u're dead then mass aegis also no point right? Mass aegis u also need to push the creeps until they hit the tower 1st.
well, if backdoor is allowed then is different story. that 1 really is everyone juz straight go suicide tower.

Let's say if wcg totally change the rules, what u guyz will think. Will it be fair to everyone? The loser of preliminaries, will they complain? Well the bright side is u still can buy ticket and join the national final at KLCC but for SMM i think only the qualifiers can enter the grand final right?

This post has been edited by nles: Jul 25 2006, 12:17 AM

There's some rules that i like feedback from gamers.

1. Backdoor, allowed or not? ( How u guys define backdoor as? )
2. Ward on neutral creeps spot, allowed or not?
3. Need to megacreeps only destroy throne/tree or just destroy one path then can throne/tree (myself think that break 6 rax only can throne/tree is crap =P)

For backdooring, lets say when u push u walked faster than ur creeps and u hit the buildings 1-2 hit before the creeps wave arrived, will u guys consider that as backdoor?
What bout barracks, is it only your creeps hit opponent barracks only u can hit or you just need your creeps in the sight then can hit?

Anyway this 2 sides rules we'll discuss later. Let's concentrate on the 3 question i mentioned.

And i believe m4gi_7, as rumours i heard wn_sk is the team that played most -ap singapore rules right? U guys got more experience on -ap rules compare to others, myself haven experience it before so i'm not in the position saying -ap is good or bad.

This post has been edited by nles: Jul 25 2006, 12:58 AM

No no, what i mean is warding at neutral creeps spot but not on neutral creeps spawn.
I think that's different right??? warding on neautral creeps spawn = ward directly on neautral creeps to prevent them from spawning, but ward on neutral creeps spot = near the neutral creeps to see oponent hero farming neutral creeps

I've received called from few gamers and heard from few gamers on the spot about their opinion on the rules.
Because there's so much prelim around the nation, not only we can't standardise rules for different tournament. Now even rules among wcg marshal is not standardise, that's why I called up a meeting. WCG Marshals dun hate me =P, make u guys work 1 more day but i think this meeting is needed.

So gamers who got something to say bout the rules, please post here. I'll take down your points and discuss on the marshal meeting tomorrow.

This post has been edited by nles: Jul 25 2006, 12:36 PM

If the game is stop after destroying throne/tree, i think the game will took dam long to finish, even i myself played an 2 1/2 hour game before. both side can't push in.

So you're suggesting, if point system we should use 60minutes while if tower count we should use 90minutes
Currently Malaysia tourney all using normal pick, and i agree some 1 did say that is a "Sentinel VS Scrouge" game.

For the inter-cc thing, definately we're using the same Asian Championship rules.

For ap rules, the used of tossing coins is to decide who get to choose the 1st hero first.

Dun argue, I asking opinion bout rules. Not which combo ownz or whatever bla bla.

Do you guys think the rules now is unfair? Let's say at early stage,u lose because u loss your coin toss and opponent chose Scrouge.

Ian_mok, WCG marshal meeting will be at 3pm today, u interested in coming? lolx.
I'll be heading to office right now.

Kie kie, I try to update abit okie.
The final rules will be up few days later, after meeting with SMM ppl maybe.

Roughly, currently the rules will not change much. We do not like the idea of changing the rules. Maybe modify abit is not a problem.

1st, Backdooring is still not allowed. You can only attack towers only if opponent tower started to attack your creeps. For barracks, once your creeps went uphill into their base you can hit opponent barracks.

2nd, Wards. There's still ward restriction. Although I dun like ward restriction but majority thinks that warding near creeps spawn is disturbing the game mechanics. If you accidently warded, then you'll get one warning.

3rd, I think this is the best I can do for gamers. We've cancel the rules saying breaking all rax only throne/tree. That mean now as long as u clear one path, u can break throne/tree

4th, 60minute or 90minute? This one ler, currently is still 90minutes. Need to discuss with one more person only can decide.

5th, Now before every match start, both side need to write down their desire heroes 1st. You won't know what opponent chose either

6th, 3rd Deciding game will be played with -AP rules. Each side choose hero 1 by 1

7th, We still use tower count then rax count only hero count. The game is actually bout destroying towers/throne but not bout heroes killing

This is the rules currently decided after we discuss with marshals and called up few dota players. Eventhough I dun agree with some of the rules but I'm just a mere marshal, currently that's the best I can do.

This post has been edited by nles: Jul 26 2006, 11:21 PM

No no,
For WCG prelim and finals, all will be normal pick
For Asian Championship qualifiers, since the winner gonna represent Malaysia to Singapore, of cause we'll use Asian Championship rules -AP mode

Okie, I hope my comment on this doesn't offended anyone.


I only hope all our marshal put their heart on this event, work together to make WCG a better tournament. Who knows maybe next year we'll be hosting for the World grand final

This post has been edited by nles: Jul 27 2006, 03:27 PM