INTRO :

Currently Joining Folding@Home and find that it is a usefull way to spend IDLE processes at home and as well stress your component for humanity and by the mean time check your stability of your RIG other than using Pi or PRIME that only spending time and precesses for nothing

Folding@Home website
http://folding.stanford.edu/

QUESTION :

Computers is actually Calculators that can do more things that just calculations ... so i need a really good idea of building a good calculator to calculate workable Proteins

i find that ... the calculation and rendering of a working unit is far more HARD that just unlimit numbers of Pi ...

I use the SCHOOL computer (2.8GHz P4 ) and it need >6 hours to get 10% of a calculation done .... argh ... using 1M Pi ... it need only 55Sec .... see the difference ?

So slow the comp yet so complicated the calculation ...

So WAHTs MAKEs a BEST CALCULATOR ?

Currently there is war on Bus speed , multiplier , pipeline and Actual GHz ... So which is the most important component for a calculation ? The transfer of data ? The Brain works ?...

Celeron had High Multiplier , P4 had long Pipeline , Conroe and AMD 64 had fast Bus speed .....

Which of the breed is the Calculation master ?

Opetron Wins Xeon in most of the data transfer benchmarks ...

OCed Computer can reach 9Sec in 1M Pi calculations ...

Ah .. still need all the OCkers ideas ...

Current i think of OC my p4630 to 5.4GHz by all means to beat the 9 sec 1M Pi record or should i use PD 950 to OC to 4.8GHz with DDR2 1K RAMS ... Or just get Xeon or Opetron server and get the Calculation done ...

IDEAs OCkers ? thanks

Any HARD CORE OVERCLOCKERs Know How to solve This Problem
Just want my Computer to Calculate not for Gamming

Ah ... One more thing ... How to get shortest time in 1M Pi ?
Should i get those Processor with fast Bus speed or Fast RAM speed ?

Opty can beat P4 as easy as < whatever you think is easy >
Because of the HTT and high FPU

Haha .... Prescott ? not my concern either when comes to Electric Bills
I use the school's Hostel Electricity for free and as long as they don't know My "extreme Prescott" is running 24/7 ... then .... use the previlage to the max

Anyway , i also a noob in Folding ... So thanks for the weblinks
Just second day of joining FOLDING and More protein to go .....
Just want to make sure that any OCkers here had better Idea of setting a system for folding ... Of course .. it is such a waste to create FOLD only RM6K machine .. just sometimes it might help in my Graphic rendering Project ...

More ideas from diffrent source and be compare easier ....
Just that OCed Computer is cheaper , thats why i am here

Ah ... those who had any more idea .. can still share some juice here
Thanks ...

Ah .. PROVE them MALAYSIA BOLEH !!! We need More LOCAL OCkers

This post has been edited by RIGmaster: Jul 24 2006, 03:32 PM

Ah ... i planing to get a System Running on Intel

Mobo : asus P5WD2 E Primium with i975x chipset
RAM : DDR2 1066 2X1GB
Graphic card : 2 Piece of ATI Radeon 1900XTX in Cross Fire Mode
Processor : Pentium D 950
Sound Card : Sound Blaster X-FI Platinium
Casing Fans : 4 pieces of 3000RPM 12Cm Aluminium Fans
PSU : Cooler Master 550W SLI
Casing : Cooler Master Stacker
HDD : 10,000 RPM Western Digital RAPTOR

Plan On OC ...
PD 950 OC at 4.8GHz or >5GHz

Ah ... Is this System Qualify to do extreme Calculations and Fold without error ?

Not planing to get Xeon or Opteron ... because they had slow ECC Rams .. DDR2 1066 or at least DDR2 800 should be enough

Any Comments ?

Argh .. this RIG cost > RM7K ....

My monitor ... ah wide screen 19 inch ... Not planing for 21 inch ... Too big ...

I use the Cross Fire Mode because i saw there in the F@Q and said "does Graphic acceleration hardware affect the Folding" it answer " yes ... it helps allot for the protein to fold " thats why i go for X1900XTX ... but still need more information from you all ... before i spend money for nothing ...

DDR is too slow i think ... i saw DDR2 1066 around in LYN and so i would like to have some of it ... I see RAM speed helps in super Pi calculation ... so i think it help in Folding also ... not too sure .... Since AMD machine still not running DDR2 1066 ... i kinda let go ...

Ah .. thats why i am here .. asking for ideas from fellow OCkers
Which system is the best ... Aim for what folding needed and strike for it
Planing to create a system that can create 100 WU per day ... can i ?

GPU have more Pipelines then CPU
X1900XTX had 16 Pipelines ... 48 Pixel Shadder ... ah ... if run in X1900XTX CROSS FIRE mode ... should help allot
Imagine 16+16 pipeline and 48+48 Pixel shader ...
Imagine >30GB transfer rate and a 512BIT Bus RING ... if can use the X1900XTX for full Folding capability and calculation ..... ah ...
CPU ... just Goyang Kaki saja ... Celeron D enough can ka ...
As i folding ... the Rendered Frame per second kinda slow ...
Even My HD DVD rendering is even faster than that because of AVIVO


Anyone Upgrade the Code for the console
Graphic Console in X1900XTX like running nothing .. no lag ... Text console boring ... Just need to comfirm the Help of OC X1900XTX in the overall performance on folding ... if can .. i upgrade another X1900XTX to Cross Fire and OC it ...

if can use a ATI Physix card to calculate ... haha .... even better ...

Currently not many Support Physix Card ... ehrm .... the Graphic console Kinda OLD in the FOLDING@HOME website .... hope they come out with 64BIT computing soon .... and also the AVIVO support that can take the load from the CPU

Ah .. and also the full SSE4 & EM64T support ... The Console kinda backward ... still using SEE2 ....

Ah .. still confuse with the calculation Style .. i currently study the ALU unit in the processor ... looks like all calculation takes LOOPs to run ...
Instruction can be give in PARALEL MODE if your Processor had more PIPELINE ... So i had a Question ... which Processor Nowadays Had Most Pipelines

Is the Calculation in the Folding is given as one BIG instruction and long chain of Processes ... or Many Small Instruction with pulses of Processes ... Kinda confuse here .... And the Most important ... for each calculation ... how many MB of Memory must be acessed

If MB of Memory acesses per instruction is >2MB ... i think i better get those 4MB L2 Cache Processor .. ah very expensive .. but fast can up to 50GB to 100GB/s Peak ... ... if the Instruction is <1MB ... then a DDR2 533 is enough . ... and if the instruction is >>10MB per Pulse .. then i need to go for DDR2 1066 RAMs to boost the Calculation .... Any minnor Delay in calculation will delay the whole thing Thats why .. i ask ... is Memory helps in my calculation of folding

OCkers outhere ... DDR2 1066 good or not

Ah ... Anyway .. thanks for the info given expecially uzairi
Kinda talk allot in PM

Ah .... keep the Folding Spirit on ..

WHATs MAKEs a BEST CALCULATOR !!!!

Did HenryLow owns a suppercomputer ?
haha ... the graph looks very steep

Anyway how to download the extreme version and the latest Version of those client ?

Since Old method may only overstress the CPU while NEW method spread the Load effectively ....

Ah ... BETA client .. looking for it but still cant find ...
only 5.03 version ...
is BETA client X64 Bit supported

One OCed XTX and One PHYSIX ... Plus OCed Conroe ... is this fast enough ?
Thanks


Ah .. Conroe can't OC to 5GHz sadly .... because if it is so ... your Bus will be extremely high and your Northbridge will be Overloaded

HAHA

Check the PENTIUM line VS CORE Line from intel forum yesterday

Found that if the instruction is short ... Folding really Benefit allot from CONROE



Haha .. see the picture ? if and only if the instruction in folding is manny and small folding really benifit allot in conroe

But still the clock cycle of conroe is way too little but with reducing instruction ... the CPU can process faster ... ah where should i go ...

By simple calculation ... if compare P4 process 3 instruction per clock at OCed 5GHz and CORE process 4 instruction per clock at OCed 3GHz ....

P4 had 5G X 3 = 15G instruction
CORE had 3G X 4 = 12G instruction

Since CORE reduced ammount of similiar instruction needed to be processed with AI .... hence it can overtake P4 easily and produce less heat

Anyway .. still can't beat the GPU of ati x1900XTX which had 16 pipelines

Ah .. waiting for quard core to come out and i can buy
because it had 16 pipelines ( of course 4 pipelines X 4 Cores and + share cache ... can combine already ... haha )

This post has been edited by RIGmaster: Jul 29 2006, 10:40 AM