Guys, I've got my 1119 GCEO 7D and it is bad!

Is that important to further my studies?

I don't really think it would, don't we need to take IELTS/MUET anyway? I got 1A anyway hehe

Hi there.. I would like to collect some opinions...
I got an A instead of A+ for my English subject...
but for the 1119 GCE-O Level i got 1A ... im confused....

some of the degree no need to take ielts or something like that.. But must be a credit at 1119 spm.. But I don't know that 1119 spm is refer to which one!

The GCE-O score for English via SPM/MCE doesn't really matter.
You'd still need to take necessary English proficiency tests for college applications, such as MUET, IELTS, PET or TOEFL.
The GCE-O score for English isn't included in official minimum academic requirements in admissions so officially, it does not matter, but we will not know how much it does unofficially.

I've gotten a 1A on it.
The GCE-O score is based upon just some section of the paper so it is not a good indicator for the entire English paper.
You may be unequally good in that section but not the rest.
1119 is the subject code for SPM English which entitles you to GCE-O scoring on some sections.
Therefore, 1119 English should refer to your SPM grade scale, not the GCE-O.

It's on the bottom left of your SPM results slip. They mark your essay again with a higher standard, that's how you get the grade e.g. 1A.

Do not underestimate the usefulness or importance of ones English 1119 grade. I have since used it for application to universities and for employment purposes.

The lack of knowledge among institutions and prospective employers creates a vagueness or ambiguity which allows smart candidates, like you perhaps, to pitch its usefulness in their favour. It is the manipulative presentation or explanation that can turn the tide of anything in your favour.

It's either that, or they already have an inaccurate representation of the GCE-O score from SPM by extrapolation of their interpretation or exaggeration of past candidates.

This post has been edited by reconnaissance: Mar 21 2014, 12:36 AM

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/academic-manual/part-...ncy-requirement

http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/informationForI...shLanguage.aspx

http://www.sheffield.ac.uk/undergraduate/policies/englang

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/international/...ysia.htm?page=2

http://www.lboro.ac.uk/international/englang/

I don't suppose the admissions teams from the above universities make decisions based on information laden with vagueness or ambiguity? Unfortunately for you, there was no manipulative presentation or explanation from my part. Rather, I was being compliant and utilised what I had then in order to secure a place in a foreign university without the need to spend extra money on the IELTS examination.

In addition, I do not see the need to bring the grades into disrespute by virtue of the certification from UCLES, unless the practice has since been discontinued.

To be fair, employers may be prone to confusion with regards to this qualification but I can assure you, my employer is extremely well versed in this area, more than you and I put together I dare say.

This post has been edited by studyboy: Mar 21 2014, 02:16 AM

the gce-o is the essay paper of the spm1119 english remarked to uk gce o-levels standards....it does not take into consideration the rest of the 1119 components....

it is a measure of your english writing ability compared to british students...

it does not measure the other 3 components of any language proficiency....ie reading, listening and speaking....these will be covered in muet, ielts etc....

all msia unis, including foreign branch campuses, requires you to have a muet cert....they do NOT necessarily require any minimum standards...if you go into the muet test, write your name and walk out, you will be awarded a muet cert with band 1.....

Honestly, I do think it's very bad. Anyway, for whatever reasons (as experienced by me) you still have to take MUET (for local university admission).

Even if you have Pass with Distinction in ESOL, you still have to sit for MUET. I sat mine as calon persendirian. I suggest you check out the minimum requirement(s) for MUET though. Good luck!

If you have excellent grades for GCE-O (1A), the university may accept that as a replacement for other English proficiency test.

Then read carefully on the second part the either.
I am delegate within the national blueprints for education and can tell you that the GCE-0 scoring from 1119 subject code is based upon partial section and does not actually demonstrate the capability any equal to the actual GCE-0.
The agreement with Cambridge International Examinations set an international reputation upon the score which is extrapolated, quite inaccurately, to be a good measure for English proficiency.

And when I brought up manipulative presentation to pull something in your favour, if you are actually proficient in the corporate world, it was a compliment on your street-smart capabilities. I take that back.
And if you read carefully, you can see the highlight placed upon you pitching, as with prospective leaders pitching an idea, but all you can see is manipulative, and even that in a negative view. No, it's unfortunate for you.

This post has been edited by reconnaissance: Mar 22 2014, 12:10 AM

Admittedly, I left the corporate world for being too much of a simpleton so apologies for misconstruing your well-intentioned compliment. The latter alluded to me being sly and obviously, I was offended by it. Yes, it is quite unfortunate for me to focus on the negative. How very simple minded!

Nevertheless, I am well aware of the bold statement and whether it reflects the actual English proficiency of one or not, the grade can still be utilised to ones advantage.

I appreciate the revelation of your involvement in the national blueprints for education. At the very least, I am more convinced than ever that our GCE-O grades does not imply substance in its entirety for the English ability of one. An irrefutable but painful truth behind the facade of a good GCE -O grade. In light of this new information, I retract the claim of my employer being EXTREMELY well versed in the area.

This post has been edited by studyboy: Mar 22 2014, 01:00 AM

I had a "D" for my English as well! Luckily I managed to fix that gap but even so my grammar is still relatively weak. How I wish I have put more effort to master my English better when I was younger.

This post has been edited by td00164306: Mar 22 2014, 02:14 AM

Hmmm... I think those 1119's are not the same as the ones that we are talking about.

Cambridge English Language 1119
Standard level: Pass at grade 6.
Good level: Pass at grade 6.
Advanced level: Pass at grade 4.

What does it mean? The grades that we see are 1A, 2A, 3B etc.....

I think this is a separate English exam.

I don't think 1119 is that important. I did my spm a few years back. I got A1 for English, but C6 for 1119. Managed to get an scholarship, worked really hard during a level because I knew my English was still weak. I managed to get band 8 for my ielts (highest is 9).

So yeah, that sums up what I think about 1119 grade. Not as important as SPM English grade. Plus you can always work hard for your muet/toefl/ielts.

Some universities accept GCE O-Level English grade as a proof of your English proficiency level.

based on my understanding 1119 is more to international standard english.

even you reach college level, you will still have to take 1119 subject, also depending on what course.

Hmm you are right! For UCL, the grades are denoted in numbers. However, I am pretty sure the rest of the unis are refering to our 1119.

Disclaimer: I am not expert on this matter!

This post has been edited by studyboy: Mar 22 2014, 10:07 PM

My GCE-O is A1.
My English got an A.

Hmm, I might apply a foundation for English or TESL. Will they reconsider my English skills when they look at my GCE-O?

Off course they'll be looking for those who got an a for English. But what about your other subjects? If you are as competitive as other applicants, then you may get it.

As far as I know, it's not that hard to get tesl.

I got 1A+ math, 2A English Arts, 1A- BM,2B+ History P. Islam, 1C+ bio, 1C physics, 2D chem addmath

Idk I got bad results on my science subjects and addmath simply because I'm not interested with it. My mom just told me to go with it since my PMR results got me into the pure science stream.

Hopefully I'll at least get into Masscom or Graphic Design. My dream is to be one of those people who try to make the world a better place by voicing out and taking action.