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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V5!

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post Apr 15 2014, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Apr 15 2014, 01:07 PM)
No problem~~

Below are my RIG, if i would like to add something, which part should i add?

i7-4820K
16GB Corsair Vegenance Pro
Asus Sabertooth X79 motherboard
Noctua NH-D14 Cpu Cooler
256GB Samsung 840 Pro
R9 280X (RMA'ed)
Windows 8.1 64bit
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Based on what I see, the weakest link would be your GPU as what you say, and upgrading to a GTX780 would be the next step. I would also consider upgrading to a good 2560x1440 monitor like Dell U2713HM.

If you really want to enjoy more gaming after that and have more budget, please consider also multi-monitor gaming, it is very immersive based on what some of my friends say, compared to single monitor gaming.

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post Apr 15 2014, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Apr 15 2014, 04:23 PM)
I'd go there into the factory and ask "WHAT DA HECK HAPPENED TO THE PRICES?!?" laugh.gif Kidding.. tongue.gif
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DRAM prices are tracked closely, and is all based on demand and supply. There is a way to "predict" future demand prices by checking on current DRAM spot prices, and looking at the trends, and reading analysts' predictions. Currently Micron just purchased Elpida, so today there are only 3 major memory suppliers in the world for desktop DRAM, Samsung, Hynix, and Micron. So with this, these 3 companies have higher influence on WW DRAM prices.

There is also a major change in technology whereby Samsung will be releasing 20nm DRAM which is can be up to 30% cheaper than current 25nm DRAM. This will also push DRAM prices lower as Samsung ramps to production and Hynix and Micron are forced to reduce prices to compete.

In any case, there is some prediction that desktop DRAM prices will reduce in Q2 or early Q3.

Mobile DRAM prices are expected to increase as demand is higher than supply.


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post Apr 16 2014, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Apr 16 2014, 10:32 AM)
Asus 780 Ti better or Zotac 780 Ti AMP better?
in terms of Build Quality and After Sales Warranty Service.
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I have not used Zotac before so I am sorry I cannot give you feedback on those cards.

I am familiar with Asus, Asus Direct Cu II cooler is a very matured design, though for the GTX780Ti one of the fans is a special fan with a different impeller. I have built more than 5 systems using Asus DCII Nvidia cards, and all are performing very well, with the oldest one about 5 years ago. Build quality is no issues with Asus, very good. Of course, I have also bought MSI and Gigabyte video cards before, and those are also good.

After sales service, it depends on how well your retailer knows the Asus folks in Malaysia. My normal shop where I buy all my hardware from has a good relationship with Asus, so I do get good services for warranty claims from Asus.
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post Apr 16 2014, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(rav3n82 @ Apr 16 2014, 12:38 PM)
A common hallmark with Asus card is that they are usually very well built. And as mykchin8 mentioned above also, the DCUII Cooler is also a rather good cooling solution. However, they unfortunately do not come cheap and is often priced a little more compared to other brands. Asus version costs RM2799, while Zotac's version costs RM2459.

As for Zotac AMP! Edition, it is also a very finely built card as well. I have its younger brother, the 780 AMP! and I must say it is a very nice card indeed. Fans are silent and temps are quite good.

But I couldn't comment much in terms of after sales services, since I have not personally sent in any of my parts to Asus and Zotac before. tongue.gif
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rav3n82, thanks for the feedback on the Zotac ... yes, Asus cards are more expensive (too expensive in Malaysia, since the price is managed by the distributor), and since there is a RM340 difference in price for the same GPU, and since the Zotac cooling solution is quiet as well, then I recommend to buy Zotac. RM340 can buy an i3 CPU!

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post Apr 16 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Apr 16 2014, 12:48 PM)
sir can you tell me what shop you normally buy from.
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Hitman, my regular retailer where I source all my parts from is Cycom at Low Yat. They are also in LYN forums as well. If you need some help with Cycom, then do let me know, and I can introduce you to one of the founding partners of Cycom.
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post Apr 16 2014, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(mykchin8 @ Apr 16 2014, 01:42 PM)
Hitman, my regular retailer where I source all my parts from is Cycom at Low Yat.  They are also in LYN forums as well.  If you need some help with Cycom, then do let me know, and I can introduce you to one of the founding partners of Cycom.
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By the way, the prices that you see published by Viewnet, Cycom, and others still have some level of margins. Depending on the hardware, the margins are different. You could get good discounts on hardware, depending on how well you know the retailer.

End of the day, the bottom line prices are managed by distributors, and the retailers decide if they want to reduce their margins for you. In Low Yat, there are some retailers that "pool" together their demand so that they can increase volumes and get lower prices from the distributors. So sometimes some specific parts are cheaper in a shop, but more expensive in others, and you need to "package" together items like CPU, mobo, and RAM to get the advertised prices ...

In the end after more than 15 years of buying parts in Low Yat, I found out that it is better to find one really good retailer, get to know the retailer well, and then stick with that retailer who will then source the parts for you as needed and support after sales. I think there are many really good retailers out there, talk to them, and see which retailer puts in the extra effort to support you.
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post Apr 16 2014, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Apr 16 2014, 01:51 PM)
thanks man, im planning to get my rig before raya which is about june-july.
still doesnt have any specific hardware part in mind by im sure gonna go with 280x/770 for gpu as my budget are 3k.

anything im sure gonna pm you about it as i see as one of the hardware sifu in this section.  notworthy.gif
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Sure, Hitman, let me know ... I will try to help as best as I can ...

Try to always get the best bang for your buck or ringgit ... money is not easy to earn nowadays.
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post Apr 16 2014, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ Apr 16 2014, 02:08 PM)
Base on experience, which retailer is the best in term of support and price at low yat?
I really want to know before start buying my rig part.  smile.gif
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My experience has shown me that Cycom is a good retailer for me, and I use them almost exclusively. I have been buying from Cycom since they first opened shop in Low Yat, those days there were only about 5 computer shops in Level 2.
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post Apr 16 2014, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ Apr 16 2014, 02:16 PM)
Can i get a good price discount if buying the pc parts from them? hmm.gif
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CrimsOn, I guess it depends on what parts you buy from them, but PM me details, and I will introduce you to Cycom, and then it will be between you and them to see if you can get the price that you feel happy with.

I do not always get the cheapest prices but even if it is not the cheapest, it is not that much more expensive than anywhere else in Low Yat. However, I can say I do get one of the best after sales services from Cycom.
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post Apr 16 2014, 02:34 PM

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Edited to remove yingwen115's quote as he has removed it as well, not sure why.

In any case, the key point for me there was RMA could take up to 3 months, and from my experience with my favourite retailer, my normal RMA times are less than 1 month, unless there is no stock of the item, even then the longest is 2 months based on my experience.

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post Apr 17 2014, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(TheHitman47 @ Apr 16 2014, 11:10 PM)
well, statistically speaking you can go with HD7790.
but if its 750 ti, i would choose the "ti".
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Yes, there is only about a RM100 difference between the GTX750 and GTX750Ti, so please consider buying the GTX750Ti, it is very worth the additional RM100.
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post Apr 17 2014, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ Apr 17 2014, 01:17 PM)
Can do lad.

Proc - i5-4440 RM 579
Mobo - Asus B85M-G RM 279
GPU - Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X RM 1699
PSU - Seasonic S12 II 620w RM 299
HDD - Reuse
RAM - Reuse
Casing - Reuse

All for RM 2856. Prices from Viewnet.
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Zgames, I think the i5-2500K to i5-4440 upgrade might not give as much of a difference, I think it is better to spend the money (~RM880 with mobo) on installing an SSD, and then using the HDD as a data drive only. The increase in performance during normal use would be more noticeable.

Any leftover budget could be considered to spend on a better monitor (larger monitor?), or even better speakers or better headphones. If there is not enough budget, I believe the Seasonic 520W is a good quality PSU, that should be able to handle the R9 290 Tri-X card as well, since the overall system power requirements would be around 350W to 450W when fully loaded.

If you upgrade to R9 290 Tri-X, then RainX should consider 2560x1440 gaming resolution, which actually will need a bit more budget as well, but it will give a better gaming experience.

Of course, I am assuming that RainX uses this PC for gaming.

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post Apr 18 2014, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Tomtom. @ Apr 18 2014, 02:37 PM)
hi guys.. maybe end of next week i will buy either 770 gainward 2gb or r9 280x toxic. hmm hard to choose

btw if i buy toxic , will it fit to my case?

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That looks like a full-size case, so it will fit.
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 18 2014, 02:46 PM)
hi, is it worth by get a good brand gpu with good cooler like ASUS which cost RM300 more or jz get the normal 1?
I mean Leadtek GTX 760 v Asus gtx 760.
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For RM300 more, I do not recommend spending on the Asus ... but I also do not recommend getting a stock standard fan like the Leadtek. It is better to get a cheaper cooling solution like Zotac.
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post Apr 18 2014, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 18 2014, 03:06 PM)
i saw jayaone sell GTX760 Twin Frozr Gaming RM900 *.*
MSI or palit phantom? RM50 difference
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I have used the MSI Twin Frozr cooling solution, and it is really good, quiet, and low temps. I think the MSI is a good compromise between good performance and cost.
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post Apr 18 2014, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 18 2014, 03:31 PM)
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/...ac_5.html#sect0
i think msi better,mayb it is well known brand...
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For graphic cards, I have bought and installed MSI Twin Frozr, Gigabyte Windforce, and Asus Direct Cu II. All are quiet, and low temps, but I do not overclock any of the graphic cards I installed. If you want good cooling solution, and do not mind paying a little more, then consider MSI or Gigabyte. Asus price used to be similar about 4 to 5 years ago, but now it is much more expensive. I have bought MSI Twin Frozr for the last 2 rigs I built.
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QUOTE(cle900706 @ Apr 18 2014, 05:07 PM)
ic..... msi does have a very low temp compared to others other than asus

what about performance wise? msi vs gainward phantom vs zotac amp?
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Those cards that are factory overclocked are clocked a little faster. However, with the turbo modes today for the graphic cards, there is not enough difference to make it noticeable to most users, so for the same GPU, performance difference between manufacturers is not that much. The main differentiators are the cooling solutions, and of course, the price.
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post Apr 18 2014, 05:27 PM

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Also, in addition to what I mentioned above, I sometimes base my choice on stock availability at my favourite retailer. I buy all my hardware from one shop, I do not go shopping around LYN, as I get the best prices from my regular shop.
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post Apr 19 2014, 07:48 AM

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QUOTE(cle900706 @ Apr 18 2014, 09:26 PM)
actually not much diffrences in terms of performance... hhmm, then msi really have a good cooling!
alright bro, noted!
my revised build!

Proc - Xeon 1230 V3 RM 799
Mobo - Asus B85M-G RM 279
PSU - Seasonic S12II RM 299 (from bro sentinel's recommendation tongue.gif)
GPU - 1) MSI GTX 760 Twin Frozr Gaming RM900 (from jayacom)
        2) Gainward GTX 760 Phantom RM 849 if got stock
        3) Zotac GTX 760 AMP! RM 880 (if wan cut cost go with Gainward GTX760)
HDD - Reuse lappy HD (500GB)
SSD - Plextor M5S 128GB RM 284
RAM - Kingston Value Ram 8GB RM 230
Casing - Still cant decide... from this listing start with most preferable (Corsair Carbide Spec 01/02/03 RM 179/RM 207/RM 207, Cooler Master N300 RM 179, NZXT Source 210 RM 159)
Wifi Card - TP Link TL-WN881ND RM 49
KB/M Combo - CM Devastator RM 149
ODD - LiteOn DVD RW RM 55

few question here sifus
1) which to choose from from the GPU section? from what other sifus posted earlier on, MSI have the best cooling and performance is almost the same with gainward and zotac. and now jayacom's price is RM900! please advice!

if im going with MSI and carbide spec 01, total will be 3223..... hahahahaha, what happened to my 3k budget  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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If your prices are from the published prices in LYP, there is still some room for discounts from retailers. It might not be much, but you might get about 5%, which makes the total cost quite close to your RM3K budget. By the way, do not forget budget for the OS and software, unless you are going to go the Linux way ...
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post Apr 19 2014, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ Apr 19 2014, 01:02 AM)
Well the cheapest 760 that I know is the Gainward GTX 760 priced at RM 789 from Dotatech. Only RM 249 more but yeap it's definitely worth the price for it. Great piece of gpu there thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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If you buy from your favorite retailer and you know them well, you will get lower prices than what are the "advertised" prices in LYP. Example I was quoted RM765 for a reference cooler Zotac GTX760 2GB.

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