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post Mar 31 2014, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Mar 31 2014, 02:35 PM)
Where can I get the win 8 pro for only RM210? Got CD and can install multiple times ah?  hmm.gif
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I buy all my hardware and software from Cycom. If you have any issues with support from Cycom, please do let me know, and I will try to see if I can help.

Yes, DVD will be provided (32-bit and 64-bit), but in terms of installing multiple times, it will be similar to the OEM licence, I have installed about 2 to 3 times on some of the licences I purchased, over a period of 2 years, and have had no issues with activating all the re-installs. Of course, this has to be on the same PC. Installing on multiple PCs will violate the EULA.

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post Mar 31 2014, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Mar 31 2014, 03:51 PM)
Yes, the Samsung Drive I have was the only one that failed me, and quite a few others I know have the same problem, no other brands did so to be safe, just pick another brand other than Samsung in this department
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Yup, if there is a failure before with Samsung, then Lite-ON and LG will be good alternatives.
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post Mar 31 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(rockstar_ @ Mar 31 2014, 04:45 PM)
my initial budget for rig is around 2.5k, and for monitor should not more than 900. or should i go with 24" instead? is it much different gaming on 24" and 27"?
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For RM2.5K on your rig, looks like you will be getting a 1920x1080 gaming rig, so I would recommend that you stick with 23"/24" ... 27" monitors should be next level up at 2560x1440, and that should require more than RM2.5K for the rig, as you will need at least an i5 and GTX 770 to achieve a balanced build.

Gaming at 27" is definitely going to be more immersive compared to 24", but I care about picture quality, so from that viewpoint, 27" with good picture quality will cost too much money, or maybe it is better to spend slightly more money on two 23" monitors. I do not have any experience on dual monitor gaming, but some people I know think it is really good. Maybe some other forum members can share their experience.

I normally recommend IPS panels, and based on what I know, the Dell 27" S2740L IPS model for about RM1090 is one of the better ones, but the resolution is only 1920x1080, so it might not be as sharp as a 23" 1920x1080 monitor.

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post Mar 31 2014, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(creative zn @ Mar 31 2014, 11:27 AM)
Thanks. But actually i still need to send the mobo, because one of the ram slot not working. sweat.gif
Hope can get everything work by this weekend. smile.gif
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That is pretty unusual, first time I am hearing of one RAM slot not working on a new motherboard, though I also have not used Asrock motherboards before.

Please do let us know how it goes, hopefully the vendor you are dealing with will offer you a one-to-one exchange since you just bought the motherboard, and technically have not used it at all. If you go through the RMA process, it could take a few weeks for the motherboard to be replaced.
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post Apr 1 2014, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ Apr 1 2014, 09:48 PM)
Windows 8 OEM RM 309 @Viewnet.
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You can actually buy a Win8 Pro upgrade DVD for RM210. This is limited stocks for now, but so far Cycom still sells at this price to me.

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post Apr 2 2014, 06:13 AM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ Apr 1 2014, 11:08 PM)
Does Win8 Pro Upgrade required Win8 to be installed first? The lad asked for a Window 8 Standalone hmm.gif
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No, the Win8 Pro Upgrade does not need any software to be installed first. In any case, even when you upgrade from any OS to another OS, it is always a good practice to format the hard disk, and re-install the whole OS from scratch.
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post Apr 2 2014, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(holoman @ Apr 2 2014, 12:58 PM)
how bout windows?how much it cost?
and anyone here know what printer is the best with 500 budget ?
all include,scan/copy/print,can print sticker,cheap ink,and if possible
got wifi to print frm phone ..
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holoman, I have experienced HP, Canon, and Epson, and so far the Epson seems most reliable. If you want a fax, then WF-2538, if no fax then ME-301. If you want an alternative, then Canon is also not bad, I have seen a MG-3170 give reliable service for more than 3 years. Ink might not be as cheap, though.
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post Apr 6 2014, 08:10 PM

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QUOTE(Zgames @ Apr 5 2014, 12:38 PM)
Hot diddly dayum. A fresh new start? Hmmm. I'll see what I can do.

Proc - i5-4440 RM 579
Mobo - Asrock B85M Pro 4 RM 279
GPU - Gainward GTX 760 Phantom RM 849
SSD - Intel 530 120G RM 349
PSU - Seasonic S12 MII 620w RM 299
RAM - 8 GB Value RAM RM 239
Casing - Bitfenix Shadow RM 190

Dual Screen - Minecrafter Sentinel92 Help me ;-;
KB/M - CM Storm Devastator Bundle RM 159
OS and etc - Windows 8 OEM normal is enough imo RM 309
                - Microsoft Office Home & Business RM 579 or maybe can use MR.Pirate? Can give more budget output on the GPU.
Speaker - Some help me ;-;

Got RM 1,169 left for Speaker and monitor. RM 3,831 for this one without speaker and 2 monitor.
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Buying Win8 OEM for RM309 is too much, better to buy Win8 Pro Upgrade pack for about RM220.
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post Apr 6 2014, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(Minecrafter @ Apr 6 2014, 08:17 PM)
I thought the Win8 Pro Upgrade Pack is only for XP and Vista upgraders? hmm.gif
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Technically it was meant for upgrades from previous Windows as you mentioned, however, you can also fresh install it without using the old Windows product key, and this is the best way to install it.

This is a limited edition from the very first release of Win8 in Oct-2012, where Microsoft wanted to promote Win8, and offered this special upgrade price, and Microsoft does not sell this product any longer (stopped since 1-Feb-2013). What I was told is that a few of the Low Yat PC suppliers pooled their resources, and purchased a LOT of those upgrade packs, and are continuing to deplete that original inventory. So this is very limited edition at this price, if your favorite seller still sells it, buy it now before it runs out, because the price will go up after that.
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post Apr 6 2014, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(eugenelimys @ Apr 6 2014, 09:31 PM)
I dont think I'll find zotac here.. but instead I can find MSI, Asus and EVGA for the GPU and gigabyte tongue.gif
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Eugene, if you can find MSI, Asus, EVGA, and Gigabyte, then consider MSI TwinFrozr for the GPU ... if not, then Asus DCII. MSI, Asus, and Gigabyte are good solutions for GPUs.
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post Apr 6 2014, 11:49 PM

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QUOTE(fitzhex @ Apr 6 2014, 08:58 PM)
tongue.gif  tongue.gif
idk also. if phone, i hate matte screen protector, as the screen become abit dull  laugh.gif
and i never buy glossy screen also  for monitor laugh.gif
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This is another classic question that always gets asked. Should I buy a matte screen or glossy screen? It all depends on how you use the monitor, and what are your preferences.

Matte screens are good in bright rooms, when you do not have a choice to place your monitor in an optimum position, or you cannot control the lighting. However, the downside is that matte screens will make the picture look duller in color, and less contrast, resulting in lower perceived image quality.

Glossy screens have more vivid color, and better contrast, as there is no anti-reflective coating to alter the light, but you will need careful control of the environment lighting.

My current monitor is a Dell UH series, and it is quite good for my room where there are two large windows, which I can control using blinds.

If you are not sure, just go for a monitor with IPS panel, and ensure you buy from a reputable brand, like Dell, or Asus, or others.

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post Apr 9 2014, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(TJP @ Apr 9 2014, 12:31 AM)
Thank you so much for the recommendation! Really appreciate.

But I would like to ask one more thing, how bout extra cooler? Do I need it? Cause I am scared it might get quite hot while rendering videos and stuff. What will you recommend for that?
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If you overclock your CPU by more than 20% of its base frequency, then I think you will need better CPU cooler. If you do not plan to overclock, then a extra cooler is not worth it. Also the Xeon you have is not easily overclocked, so for your case, I recommend using the Intel provided cooler to save money.
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 15 2014, 08:58 AM)
i wan tat baby too... cut here cut there ad... it's hard to squeeze in another rm200  cry.gif
bcoz I did read those forum and review, I3 4130 will not "that" bottleneck gtx 760 since it is not tat kind of high end card, is it true?
and those high graphic games like crysis, assassin creed and bf4 not tat cpu demand rite?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_MPb7Rinq0

so my plan is change the I3 to I5 4670k after 2-3 years... or shd i wait for 1 or 2 mths to get I5 4440???
plz recom me  smile.gif
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Yes, an i3-4130 is sufficient for now for most games running at 1920x1080 resolution. Most games today use mainly 2 threads, and the i3 has two cores so it is sufficient.

Moving into the future, there are new APIs that will be more efficient, like Mantle and DX12, and this will further help to reduce the CPU overhead for games. Hopefully, developers are happy to transition as soon as they can to the newer more efficient APIs, and your i3 will be able to last longer.
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post Apr 15 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 15 2014, 09:46 AM)
Hey thx for the recom  smile.gif
any suggestion for PCI WiFi card?
PU - Intel Core i5 4440 3.1GHz RM579  ------> ya if i5 4440, I will collect another rm200 and delay the rig for 1 or 2 more mths doh.gif
but if i5 wont bottleneck 760, den i stick wif i3 4130 now... future I think of I5 4670k...

Mobo - Asrock B85M-Pro4 RM279  ---------> this is dream future mobo..

GPU - Sapphire R9 280X 3GB Vapor-X - RM1150  ----------> I think of r9 290 tri x ------> 2560 x 1440 resolution + msaa 4x

RAM - Corsair 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RM239  -------------> 4 gb now and 4 gb later
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PCI WiFi is more stable compared to USB WiFi as mentioned by Sentinel92, but in the end there is still more latency, so for gaming, I would say use LAN, which is the best. Also note that PCI is obsolete, although PCI WiFi is still being sold, it is better to buy PCIe WiFi to ensure the card has more useful life.

If you cannot get LAN, then you can try to consider HomePlugs, which is more stable than WiFi and depending on the house electrical wiring, will also have lower latency. Otherwise you can borrow and test out USB Wifi first, before considering to buy PCIe WiFi which is less flexible for future use.

For PCI Wifi cards, I have bought TP-Link before, and they have not given me any issues, and TP-Link has great warranty support. It was quite some time back, and I have been buying USB WiFi since that time when I needed WiFi on a desktop. I have not bought PCIe WiFi cards before, so cannot give you an input.

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post Apr 15 2014, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ Apr 15 2014, 11:43 AM)
Yup, agree with u. But if u want to play game like BF4, its better to grab amd fx6300 or I5 3330p. The multiple core cpu scale btter in this game.
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CrimsOn, yes you are right, the BF4 is one of the very few games that can utilize more than 2 threads ... and if your CPU has more cores/threads like the FX6300 or i5-4440, then you can take advantage of the additional capability.

However, please do take note that BF4 is also a very graphically demanding game, and there should be very little difference between an i3-4130 and i5-4440 playing BF4 using a high end GPU like R9 290 or GTX780 at 1920x1080 resolution. The graphics card would still be the bottleneck at these conditions.
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QUOTE(hamdanchiuyanyehh @ Apr 15 2014, 12:16 PM)
my monitor hv only 1600x900 resolution and I not goin to change within 2 years.
So will I3 in 1600x900 monitor perform better compared to I3 in 1920x1080? Or it is not related to the resolution and only gpu related to resolution?
Sorry I am IT nut... doh.gif
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For i3-4130/GTX760 combo running at 1600x900 resolution, you should have no issues at all achieving a smooth frame rate that will allow you to enjoy almost any game that you play.

Generally, at lower resolutions, the GPU is less bottlenecked, and if you have a very high end GPU, the CPU might be the bottleneck. This can also be measured as well. But if the frame rates are high (usually it will be at lower resolution), then it doesn't really matter, since you will not notice any difference, and the game will be smooth.

In the end, the main objective of a gaming rig is to get smooth gaming experience, not the highest frame rate. And you want to achieve this at the lowest possible cost, with the highest reliability and maybe lowest power consumption and lowest noise as well.
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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ Apr 15 2014, 12:10 PM)
Yup  smile.gif , i noticed tat also. The game require q multiple core cpu and a high end gpu sweat.gif . The 760 still can achieve a good fps in bf4 with max detail. Here the link.
http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retai...cpu-benchmarks/
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Thanks, CrimsOn for the link ... wow, it is good information, and it is important people know that i3 CPU is one of the best value for money CPUs ever for gaming.

I just did a quick google, and here is another good report that shows data that modern CPUs have very little impact to AVERAGE frame rates for BF4 at 1920x1080 resolution:

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlef...arks/page6.html

This is another really interesting report showing how much impact Mantle can be to the CPU performance ... even a lowly AMD A10 will improve a lot by using Mantle.

http://techreport.com/review/25995/first-l...battlefield-4/2

It is important to keep sharing the fact that even if the CPU is bottleneck for BF4, the frame rates are so high, that it doesn't make a difference to how you experience the game, you will not be able to see or feel a major difference.
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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Apr 15 2014, 12:37 PM)
i would like to check with you~~

i am currently using R9 280X, just sent for RMA, while waiting for it, i was thinking to get a better Graphic Card.. i currently eyeing some GTX780.. is it worth of upgrading? or the current 1 is consider good to go?

Games that i used to play is Dota 2, Starcraft, Diablo 3, BF4, COD. Monitor is 22" Full HD Resolution.
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At full HD resolution, the R9 280X is more than sufficient. Buying a GTX780 will not make a large difference to your playing experience, maybe allow you to run at higher levels of AA. But the price of a GTX780 is high, and I suppose you have to decide if the higher level of AA is worth it for you. I do not think it is, especially if your monitor is 22" in size.

If you can, please help to share what was the reason your R9 280X is RMA'ed? What model is the card? It is not normal for GPUs to fail, so I would like to learn, if possible.
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QUOTE(CrimsOn ChAos @ Apr 15 2014, 12:51 PM)
blush.gif  blush.gif  blush.gif

But for me, I will grab a good cpu 1st, then I will invest the rest of budget getting a good gpu.  cool2.gif
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Haha ... yeah, looks like you have a different approach then, focusing on the CPU first, and then GPU second.

My focus is on achieving a good gaming experience at the lowest cost thus I try to balance out both the CPU and GPU (two of the most expensive items in any gaming rig). I have seen that more often it is the GPU that is the bottleneck when it comes to gaming, so I place more importance on the GPU. The i3 is a very good CPU for the money, and sufficient, most of the time.

Of course, if budget is larger, then it is always better to buy a better CPU and GPU to balance it out.
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QUOTE(invisiblelim @ Apr 15 2014, 12:53 PM)
Noted on that.. thanks for the information.
Basically if i would want to get the GTX780, i will sell off mine, and get the used 780 as well..

My Card was RMA'ed because of Screen Flickering, Tearing, and suddenly went to Totally Line Display or Red Display. Brand and Model is Asus R9 280X DCII Top..
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Thanks for the information. It is good to know. I almost always specify Intel/Nvidia combos now for the builds I help out with, so this is good information for me.

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