I o/c by playing with the cpus fsb.... but b4 that i hav to set the HT at 200 and set the ram speed at 266 to make it more stable.. If i set the HT higher it usually wont boot properly..

As far as I know... the current MSI K9N Neo 550 motherboard do not have multiplier selection in the BIOS... maybe future BIOS update will enable that.

Overclocking AM2 is just the same as overclocking 754 and 939. The basic is whenever you overclock, make sure the hypertransport speed does not exceed 2000mhz

Hypertransport (2000mhz) => HT bus x LDT multi x 2
Clockspeed = HT bus x multiplier (or FID in some cases)

Yeah, u should buy technology of yesterday for today's application.

well,juz i know the A64 Am2 with nForce 550 at OverClock is different with Sempron AM2....

the divider is different....

Sempron AM2 still can run dual channel ram, it is... ? n nForce 570 is for SLI, it is?

LOL wat use to get a future technology which is not really functioninig well and stable yet?
Remeber the story of RD ram on pentium 4 ?
Remember last 3 years AMD64 in order to use windows64bit??? Where is 64bit OS? Till now every1 still gaming, doing daily operation on 32bit windows.
DDR800 ????? Would you buy 2gb ddr800 now?? wat if the moment the launch am3, a better cheap set already come out ? Make your am2 only capable to run 70% performance of am3? even VIA low end chipset run better than ur am2? Then those initially using 939, waste a simple rm200 already can get a board with much better technology than am2.
What if suddenly AMD got better technology research out, change the soket to AMD superb ....... then AM2 would be facing the same life path as S754.
Yet, amd got say AM2 will support AM3, AM4. Don't care they say until Am10, they suddenly tell u soket need to change due to the advancement of technology, what can u do? What use a future motherboard with a noob procesor runing on it. Don't make sence. I rather get a good 939 processor.

No flaming, just my 2 to 10 cent
My opinion is better buy a stable, mature,cheap technology, rather than future, unusual technology.

This post has been edited by ToGo: Jul 21 2006, 08:20 AM

yes...

nForce 570 got 2 model...

1 is nForce 570 Ultra,that is not SLI
another is nForce 570 SLI,that can use SLI Tech...

Agree with you.

But I kinda bought yesterday's technology. I bought amd64, the next few days AM2 released. damn.

hmm.... I think it's just the same la, it's just that Sempron had lower multiplier and clockspeed, as well as smaller cache. Which Sempron were you talking about.... 2800+ or 3000+? Both are rated at 1600MHz if I'm not mistaken.

For AM2 processors, divider is DDR against clockspeed.

Check out this table for Athlon64 dividers, Sempron might applicable as well. Not sure where the original source came from, but thanks to knacky from XS forum for posting it up earlier.



All AM2 processors run on dual channel.

yup...

Sempron 3000+ is 1800MHz(200*8)

so i think u r right lah..the problem is by the Multiplier...

err, 64bit OSes are out there, loads of em..n its been for a while
ever heard of linux? n i dont remember AMD claimed the 64bit is mainly for windows64
n yeah, debian based ubuntu64 currently as my 2ndary OS

This post has been edited by e-jump: Jul 21 2006, 02:47 PM

Wahlau like this why we all ever upgrade? Better that we all just still use socket A lor, matured chip what.... Muahahahah...

I dont really understand what ur saying, do u mean that if someone right now wanted to upgrade their pc from let say Athlon XP they should get a s939? Why is that? Shouldnt it be wiser to just buy AM2 instead of s939? Come on, just face it s939 is eventually going to be phased out, so would it be better to get hardwares that would be much viable in the future to upgrade?

Let say sample of upgrade path:
Ur suggested way:
Athlon XP > 2006 upgrade s939 (pay RM1k for PCIE, Mobo, CPU) > 2008 upgrade AM3 cpu (pay RM1k++ for DDR2/DDR3, mobo, CPU)

Our suggested way:
Athlon XP > 2006 upgrade AM2 (pay RM1k for PCIE, Mobo, CPU) > 2008 upgrade AM3 cpu (pay RM400+/- CPU)

I donno ar, i still think upgrading straight away to AM2 is much viable the buying s939.. Well performance wise is almost the same so why not just buy something that would save u the hassle in the future... just my 2 cents ar...

This post has been edited by cloudwan: Jul 21 2006, 04:16 PM

That give us no reason to upgrade com? And stay what we using now forever? Because, Technology is growing. Another few years conroe will phase out and replace by other model. So you mean wait and wait wait? No bad joke for today.

Basically, Socket 939 and AM2 are priced at the same price or if not, it is Rm1-5 more expensive. But it more FutureProof Compare to S939 which will be discontinue soon. Also one more thing , AMD will continue develope AM2 for the next 1 and half year and A64 Rev G will be appear end of December . Next mainstream Dual Core 3600+ with 256*2 L2 cache will be available on AM2 only.



Everyone opinion is different on this.
We need to remember this, Socket939/754 already gonna phased out and their are Our yesterday Technology which using DDR1. Socket M2 will be amd new flagship to against intel for today. Anti-HT and 65nm technology will be appear in 2 quatter.

Dota map keep on upgrading and upgrade, why not we stick at Stable, Mature map like 6.27b and dont touch newer ver? Ask yourself.

This post has been edited by Windy87: Jul 21 2006, 04:26 PM

Ya lor agree with u... Sometimes we need to make decision that would involve future planning... Heck why not? the difference isnt that much what...

You're looking at perspective of 939->940. Hey, did i ask you to upgrade from 939 to 940?? If already using 939, there's no reason to go for AM2.

However, I'm using socket A previously. There's no way to upgrade CPU already. AGP also fast dying. SATA also cannot use. Anything i buy also be a waste of money coz it'll be obsolete (like a new IDE HDD...same price as SATA, AGP...what for???).

From Socket A-> to 939, i only save on the RAM (need to buy PCI-E GPU, CPU, MOBO, SATA HDD), furthermore buying a mobo that is already going obsolete and has less future re-sale value soon.

From Socket A->to AM2, i need the extra RAM + everything else as per 939. this mean, i can sell my old RAM and cover back most of the cost there. Why not?

Even if you dun care about AMx compatibility, you still has the benefit of upgrading your CPU the next few years. 939 already obsolete and production of 939 CPU will stop soon.

Let me make it clear to you the Pros/cons (from a Socket A or older rig):

AM2
===
Future CPU upgrade still good for a few years.
Has longer life span
Longer re-sale value life span

939
===
Future CPU upgrade doubtful, end production soon. by the time top of the line X2 price drop to mainstream level, you won't find it anywhere.
Life span to end soon
Re-sale value going down fast


And the price:
I've already calculated for my config, same hw, for AM2 it's RM1495, 939 is RM1,230.

That's only RM 265 difference. Once i sell off my old RAM, the difference is really insignificant.

Stability? There's no reason AM2 should be unstable, it's nothing new really, just 939 with an extra pin to support DDR2 RAM. The core tech is the same. Why worry???

Please give me one good reason why i should go for 939(instaed of AM2) for an existing Socket A or older rig user when the price is the SAME!!!!



This post has been edited by Matrix: Jul 21 2006, 05:37 PM

lol.. i'm using s754.. want to upgrade AM2, why i need to upgrade s939 if i must buy new mobo+cpu?
ddr2 is another story.. don't tell me it's not stable while intel user running it fine..
i like to upgrade so what's the prob?

if no ppl willing to buy new tech don't u ever want new tech at affordable price..
it's just like investment no big deal..

Uhh....we r going out of topic. This thread is becoming new tech vs old tech?

Fantasykenny....Sempron 3000+ AM2 is 1600MHz (u did maths mistake?)

bro dont want to change ka?
maybe this week i want to setup new AM2 rig.. cannot tahan ler.. up there my friend cucuk˛ me...
want to play with new toys..

No $. LOL... I just picked up a sempron64 2800+...doing 2.5GHz at stock vcore. I will wait until people sponsor me AM2 mobo first.

no offence but, probably you need to do more research and more reading factual stuffs instead of rumours and news, or just purely using your own theoretical ideas.

1. Why do you keep stressing about DDR800? you don't need DDR800 to run an AM2 rig. DDR667 is fine enough.... heck even DDR533 is compatible as well.

2. Getting S939? You must be joking. by the end of the year (Dec 31).... it will be EOL already, if you haven't read the news. Smart buyer would either go for AM2, or if they're rich enough they might just go for Conroe.... not S939 (those who are already on S939 is a different story).

3. How mature is AM2? Mature enough that nobody complains as for now. AM2 is K8 technology as well, just the same as S754 and S939, no difference except for the implementation of DDR2 memory controller. If you're saying AM2 is not mature, that might as well as saying S939 or S754 not yet mature. Motherboard chipsets? AM2 runs with nForce4 quite well, that's the option if they feel not really confident with nForce500-series. DDR2 not mature? Come on..... DDR2 has been around for quite some time. DDR is yesterday... and soon it will meet the same fate as SDRAM. At least DDR2 is much cheaper than DDR nowadays.

4. Future technology? What future technology are you talking about? If something is already here, it's not the future anymore.

5. And one last thing... if you wait till AM3 release.... maybe S939 has no more resale value already.... just like AMD K6, Pentium III etc. Those who needs to sell their S939 rig probably lost a lot.

Oh ya... no flamming, just my 2 cents as well.