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aressandro10
post Apr 10 2014, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(khaimitoban @ Apr 10 2014, 03:59 PM)
simpan semua data-data ni. lg 6 tahun kalau tak tercapai blh bahan KJ dan LTK. kekekeke
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Bagi aku growth tu terlampau pesat untuk 6 tahun. Takut 'ecosystem' kita takleh nak cope. Takut belom cukup matang lagi dah burst.

Target world cup u-17 2019 pon cepat sangat. Should be 2023.

10 years should sound much reasonable as the plan would run it's full course by then as current 7 year old would finish the program at 17 year old.

As usual kj always a man in a hurry trying to squeeze everything in before time catches up.




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post Apr 10 2014, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Apr 10 2014, 04:17 PM)
Dh lama ada plan tu. 2010-2011 rsnye under adik LTK. yg ni pny lg clear la and better propaganda machine

Under nfdp ni bdk2 akan main 4-4-2 diamond mnyerang and 451 ketika defend.

Inb4 apsl guna taktik ni. Kalau power mohon jd coach dlm prog ni. Kekeke
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Plan sebelum ni adalah berkat hasil kemenangan aff 2010. Budget one off 10 juta.

Diketuai oleh razali ibrahim timbalan menteri sukan . Its pretty clear that plan did not have much traction.

Until kj picked it up and made it his pet project.

Tsam akan habis suspension die tak lama lagi. Dan die akan tolong kj to continue bagi political will to this plan.


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post Apr 10 2014, 04:29 PM

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Bukan 4-3-3 ke in-trend sekarang ni.
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post Apr 10 2014, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(irmo @ Apr 10 2014, 04:31 PM)
midfield hancur camne mau main 4-3-3.
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Top striker pon takde....tongue.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 10:14 AM

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Giler aa.... every single thing about this NFDP is preciselly what I dreamed off dan duk pum pang pang dalam internet all this years.... from how it should be funded, operated owned by the goverment.... from pyramid hierarchy of one centralised super-center, turun ke 5 national sporsts school, turun ke 14 state sports shool... aku mimpi jugak yang ia akan turun ke peringkat daerah tapi aku igt thats was asking too much....tu pon derang buat jugak... shocking.gif drool.gif .........

derang juga pentingkan coaches training dah coaches are mostly under payroll of KBS dan bukan Education Ministry. Meaning takde lagi kes Cikgu Kemahiran Hidup ditukar jadi cikgu pj dan bagi je bola suh bebudak pergi main sendiri.....

sebak plak bile baca sad.gif

bagi aku plan ni dah dibuat cukup rapi dah cukup bagus.... tapi make no mistake, even at this stage it is a very delicate egg state... shell die tak keras lagi .. baru macam a layer of transparent membrane.... kite kene jaga rapi sehingga telur ni menetas....

byk lagi pemangsa-pemangsa kat luar sana ready to pounce..tolongla.. we need to protect it..telur ni ambil masa 6 tahun paling kurang untuk menetas....sebelum tu tolongla simpan mentaliti finger-pointing dan mencari salah semata2 nak blame people...tak perlu la lepas 2 tahun je dah #XXXout atau #XXXslj.

Political will boleh hilang. Bukan setakat menteri boleh bertukar . Kerajaan pon boleh bertukar.

Dalam kerajaan tak ada duit macam-macam boleh jadi.

We must remain reselient to keep this long term plan long term.


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Developing players to play a ‘national style’


COMPRISING two phases and five strategic core areas, the National Football Development Plan is one of the most detailed development blueprints produced for Malaysian football.

  The number of players and coaches involved is  staggering and the funding will be even more so.

  The 80-page plan covers the first phase from 2014-2020 while the second phase will run up to 2030.

  The first phase aims to produce junior players for  the FA of Malaysia's development programme -- the various Young Tigers teams -- and professional players for state and club sides.

  The first core area involves training players according to a "national style" -- a diamond-shaped 4-4-2 system with an emphasis on speed, stamina, ball possession, aggression and turning defence into attack in an instant.

  It is hoped that this will develop into a unique Malaysian football concept and do away with the ubiquitous "hit-and-run" concept favoured by M-League teams.

  Other core areas are creating "national football heroes" by building character in players, providing proper infrastructure and equipment, developing coaches and providing a proper competition structure at all youth levels.

  The Mokhtar Dahari National Football Academy in Gambang, which is already home to 35 Under-12 players from the MyKids Soccer programme, will eventually house 500 of the best junior talent in the country by 2020.

  The rest will train at five national sports schools, 14 state sports schools, 150 district training centres and Tunas Academies (for below 12) by 2020.

  "This plan will ensure players aged seven to 17 from all over the country, in every district, will get a chance to be trained at one of the academies," said Sports Minister Khairy Jamaluddin in his speech before the plan was launched by Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak in Gambang yesterday.


Read more: Developing players to play a ‘national style’ - Soccer - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/sports/soccer/develo...7#ixzz2yXSITLao


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post Apr 11 2014, 11:43 AM

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Kalau btol kita akan ada 50k players kluar nak cari kerje secara gradually by 2020, kita akan ade bottleneck in term of clubs yang nak ambil derang kerja dan pertandingan.

Bab ni memang kerajaan takleh tolong ... Nak tubuhkan klub perlukan volunteer dan investers private... Nak harap org yang bagus volunteer untuk jadi presiden fam dan fa negeri yang dah ade pon payah...apetah lagi nak tubuhkan clubs baru.

Liga super pon dah pack sekarang. In fact kene kurangkan lagi participants dan legakan sikit jadual supaya team negeri rela main afc cup bersungguh sikit.

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post Apr 11 2014, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(menj @ Apr 11 2014, 11:48 AM)
It's actually not a big issue....it will force players to go overseas and play in other leagues, and isn't that we want after all? biggrin.gif
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Flaw dalam permikiran ni adalah, while players are forced to go outside, outside are not forced to take them in....

And players at least kene main national team baru boleh tarik perhatian clubs luar. Eksperimenlah tahap albert eistein pon, national team kita tak boleh tampung 50k players.
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post Apr 11 2014, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(menj @ Apr 11 2014, 12:00 PM)
I think the world is large enough to take in 50K players, of which only a handful (20%, based on Pareto Principle) will actually be of quality, NT material. It just depends on the willingness of the players to venture further by taking their career overseas. Kalau mahu seribu daya, tak mahu seribu dalih tongue.gif
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Nope. Not only willingness of players. Its not that easy. Mahu seribu daya pon tak cukup.

To play outside you must showcase yourself to be better than their local. To do that you must play international football. Either afc cup or national team. Thats how we signed gaddar and ali ashfaq.

Biasenye pool yang diguna secara constant dalam nt first team takkan lagi besar dari 30 org. So guna pareto principle , mungkin 6 orang je cukup bagus untuk main luar.

Btw we are jumping the gun here. This is actually a nice problem to have in the future. Currently bottleneck still at youth development.

You pareto proportion pon kene adjust. Aku rasa 20% terlampau lenient. The right one should be 10%.

Dari 50k, maybe 5 k je cukup bagus untuk main pro. Dari situ maybe 500 je cukup bagus untuk main NT.

Sekarang ni registed place available untuk super league hanyalah 300 org termasuk import. Kalau kita boleh drive out those imports pon dah bagus.
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QUOTE(syazwan @ Apr 11 2014, 12:34 PM)
Keluar.
akmal rizal bkn prominent figure dlm national team pon dlu masa dia main dgn hageneau divisyen 4 ke 5 france aku pon tak tau.time tu umur dia berapa? 18 or 19 aku rasa.
tak kira la dia main kabel apa ke.

how they sell themselves, how they promote themselves tu bkn kerja FAM dan gov. kalau mentaliti stuck tak dapat main kelab liga super atau liga FAM..hmm

to date: irfan bachdim main kt jepun harini bkn striker paling digeruni asia tenggara. wan zack yg main dkt div 3 jepun bkn winger terbaik dlm malaysia. nazmi pon hanyalah dgn CV sukan sea sahaja waktu dgn beira mar

p/s : nfdp patut project idea football is also a profession, sama mcm kerja pilot, engineer dan sbgnya. kalau mcmtu sekolah aviation kt malaysia patut tutup sbb kita ada bottlenect fleet yg boleh offer dorang kerja
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Semua nama yang disebut adalah prominent member of national team youth squad. Which is a a very small club.

The only player yg go out outside the system adelah stanley bernard. Die pon actually member of national youth team as well.

Resume adelah important kalau nak dapat tiket.

This is no critising nfdp at all. Just try to project future bottleneck shift once youth development problem is settled.
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post Apr 11 2014, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(syazwan @ Apr 11 2014, 01:02 PM)
Yup positive bottleneck.
I agree
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We just kene tipu parent yang anak derang for sure masuk bawah 10% dan bukanthe other 90%...biggrin.gif
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post Apr 11 2014, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Apr 11 2014, 02:02 PM)
tak perlu tipu pun takpe kot... just treat macam other profession yg overcrowded... they need to make sure to up the par or move on to other profession.

Kalau tipu jadi news headline la... 'government tipu lagi'.
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I was a bit cynical there.

Tapi trying to convince 50k parent to invest in a long term scheme with only 10% success rate would be really hard sell..... Kalau invest money ok lagi... Ni investing their child's future....

This is another bottleneck in itself.....

Kene add extra value lagi to this program to attract parents...

Kalau anak awak tak jadi pemain bola pon...at least die ade jati diri, semangat setiakawan dan berpasukan, nilai murni, badan sihat...bla..bla...bla

Kalau anak awak tak jadi pemain bola pon, kami akan ajar ilmu vokasional. ...die ade skill lain dalam hidup.

Kalau anak awak tak jadi pemain bola pon...tapi bile join nfdp, kementerian akan bagi sholarship nak sambung belajar kat universiti. Syarat kemasukan pon dilonggarkan..




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post Apr 11 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Apr 11 2014, 02:17 PM)
no need to decrease teams in super league, its a step backward. increase the no of lower leagues. when everything is stable increase super league teams.merge fa and malaysia cup. run game in ramadhan. run cup game concurrently. manage the schedule properly. at least 3 live game per matchday.

and then we are good to go.

bottleneck is not a problem. we just need to work on increasing the size of the container.long term solution.
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Aku tak nampak ape backwardnye kalau decrease number of teams in super league...

Liga yang ade 10 team dengan liga 12 team piala tetap satu. Tak berbaloi untuk korbankan satu piala/pertandingan semata-mata nak selamatkan 2 tempat dalam liga.

Value match tu tak turun kalau liga dikecilkan. Jadi lebih kompetetive ade la.

Tapi masalah kita ialah number of teams sekarang menyebabkan value match afc turun gila-gila. Just by kurangkan 2 team, dah buang 4 matchday, jadual jadi lega dan team akan lagi bersungguh nak main afc. Just about nice time frame untuk main 4 tournaments in a year.

Ok. Sebernarnye liga boleh maintain satus quo sekarang 12 team dengan syarat main bulan puasa (aku mahu independent physiological study on effect of this). Perlu diambil kira juga bulan puasa biase guna national training camp. Kita tak nak juga sebab nak legakan jadual liga, kita makan plan national team time.

Tapi untuk besarkan liga dan decrease number of cups aku kurang setuju.

Tak bosan ke asyik tukar tukar format.

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posting here for the record....

Description Maximal Points

1. Organisation 20
2. Technical Standard 100
3. Attendance 100

4. Governance/Soundness 50
5. Marketing/Promotion 20
6. Business Scale 100
7. Game Operation 20
8. Media 20
9. Stadia 20
10. Clubs 50


AFC Final Assessment Ranking 2008

Rk Country Points Org Tec Att Gov Mar BSc GOp Med Sta Clu

maximal 500 20 100 100 50 20 100 20 20 20 50

1.Japan 470 20 82 88 50 20 100 20 20 20 50
2.South Korea 438 15 95 65 39 18 99 20 20 20 49
3.China 415 19 62 70 39 18 100 20 18 20 50
4.Saudi Arabia 359 17 79 60 50 10 43 20 18 20 43
5.UAE 349 17 54 48 40 18 77 20 15 15 46
6.Iran 336 20 70 55 48 14 42 20 13 9 45
7.Australia 306 13 51 76 13 19 27 20 17 20 49
8.Indonesia 287 19 24 69 42 15 25 20 15 13 45
9.Singapore 237 15 41 38 6 18 39 20 10 3 46
10.Syria 229 18 49 66 13 10 7 13 12 9 33
11.Uzbekistan 229 18 60 41 13 9 8 20 14 7 39
12.Qatar 226 17 46 42 17 12 18 20 16 7 33
13.Thailand 213 18 33 26 35 14 3 20 9 12 41
14.Jordan 212 17 51 33 13 15 2 20 15 3 43
15.Vietnam 211 17 27 41 35 13 5 20 12 4 37
16.Kuwait 203 16 35 31 13 12 25 17 14 5 36
17.India 199 17 23 45 13 13 4 20 16 11 39
18.Malaysia 179 17 19 41 13 9 3 20 11 16 30
19.Hongkong 148 16 31 33 13 8 2 7 8 1 30
20.Oman 140 17 42 21 13 6 0 7 6 7 21
21.Bahrain 139 17 46 2 13 11 2 13 6 1 26

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QUOTE(exkaizen @ Apr 11 2014, 04:09 PM)
Aiyoh... nazak tol bahagian point 100... kalau dalam area 40-60 ader ampun lagi... ni belas-belas siap ada yang single digit lagik doh.gif
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Need to stress that this is 2008 data. Aku pernah jumpa document yang breakdown lagi setiap point tu tapi dah hilang.
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Aku rasa since 2008, kita dah improve a lot dari segi attendance, media, marketing/promotion and bussiness scale.....


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QUOTE(iconia17 @ Apr 11 2014, 04:17 PM)
lets face it, the reason why the schedule is so packed is because of ramadan and the malaysia cup being ran separately. and malaysia cup only cater teams in division 1 and few teams in division two. once they are knocked off they are out. only 2 teams  got chance to play all the way to the final. that is the real waste of months which better used for the league.

and nfdp means more eligible players. and eligible players peak at different time so we need to expose them to the highest intensity and exposure. division one is where the sponsor comes in. the reality is lower league teams cannot easily get good sponsor because they are not exposed commercially. people dont really aware anymore of the likes of shahril ishak, indra, baddrol, as long as they lingers in the lower division.

league with just 12 teams expose a lot of teams to relegation because of competition. the likes of kelantan can easily lose sponsor and down to oblivion like perlis. with 16- 18 teams the risk is lower. there will be mid table teams which sponsor can rest easy. sponsor just want brand exposure through marketing. thats why more live matches is needed. they dont really care as long as the team is not relegated and they got air time.
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You made a lot of points there and I agree with all of it.

Tapi the predicament are still there....

I think the best scenario is just to play during ramadhan.



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QUOTE(syazwan @ Apr 11 2014, 04:59 PM)
Suka atau x..bdk2 coach bala akan play a very very significant role utk nfdp ni. Dia boleh fast forward many more things walaupun dorg bkn projek nfdp

Based on grouping bro monolog post tu quarter final is very possible. It is a crime if they did not past the grouping.

Dlm quarter..they just need a win. A single win to change and boost the spirit of malaysian towards football and bring more hopes utk nfdp. (semi layak ke world cup).Mcm lepas menang sea games 2009 secara x sengaja. Tetiba je rasa stadium boleh start penuh balik.

If coach bala pass this..dia dh berjaya surpass level gopal and aidil matyo zaman youth team dorg dlu
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Susah jugak aku tgk group tu..

Thailand at home..they will hell make sure they wont at least lose to us...

Korea selatan will come prepared to not repeat last time defeat....

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Semua player import bin dinh dah dikepaskan....

Sempat lagi mane2 yg tak jumpa player import ganti lagi...

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