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hamster9
post Jul 15 2006, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(x_goldman @ Jul 14 2006, 07:46 PM)
I was having my interview tis evening, my interview wasnt going smoothly. I was being ask 1 question "r u tahan mati", "Can u work 24 hours not stop for 2 weeks?"  rclxub.gif  I really dont noe how 2 answer tat question.

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Sometimes the term work 24hours non stop means you're even working while you are driving or at home. Sometimes I also kena that kind of question, but that's the true meaning, makan kerja, tidur kerja those kind of mentality. These kind of people is an asset to any company.

QUOTE(jinyee80 @ Jul 15 2006, 01:13 PM)
They want your commitment instead. Tell them you will commit the job and of course you yourself should emphasize yourself that work-life balance is also important but don't tell them that, just say you can work well.

Regarding the attire stuff, I would say that its really a standard to button up the sleeve and to put on tie evern though others might not do so. Once, I followed my boss ( he's a foreigner ) and other colleague for a meeting about some deal with an advertising firm. My 'ang mo' boss spotted that the person who was presenting the proposal for us wore black leather shoe but with grey color sock, immediately my boss stood up and said ' sorry, we couldn't proceed anymore, you can't even dress yourself up, you are representing your company and this is the way how you represent your company. '

Then, after consulting the speaker from our company grooming class, then I knew that its really a standard to wear black socks with black shoe. Told my bf about that too because he likes to wear nike socks..white color somemore...now change already.
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Fuh! I respect your boss. notworthy.gif Asian boss dare not do that.
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post Jul 15 2006, 08:56 PM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 15 2006, 06:57 PM)




2. During interview we should wear properly but should not over-emphasize on it. Wearing a tie does not make you a better employee, choose not to breast-feeding doesn't make you a bad mother, wearing Nike won't make you an excellent athlete, and put Armani on your body doesn't turn you into hunk. So stop materialize people! Wearing properly during work is consider a polite and good habbit but choose not to doesn't mean this person is evil and unprofessional.

In any etiquette classes or training, in work, you are required to wear tie. Also depending on company policy as well. Like In Shell Malaysia, certain departments are allowed to wear casually. Same goes with Microsoft. Most of the wear is shirt and jeans.
Other company would require you to wear formally especially in an interview. Not to the extend of wearing coats, just ties and well ironed shirt will do. It's always the first impression always counts regardless whether you can perform as an employee or not.
So based on your remarks here, I can visualize you as someone with the "tidak apa" attitude in dressing and do not care in what people think of you as long you are right.
QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 15 2006, 06:57 PM)
Furthermore, what you wear also should ease for your work, I'm a programmer I can tell you I can't do my work if I'm wearing long sleeve, well if the company don't mind hiring me sit there to show off long sleeve and pay me salary, I really wouldn't mind. Do they know Microsoft and Google head office's staffs are wearing quite casual only (T-shirt and jean), but that doesn't make them a lousy company is it? Further more, do they know this is Malaysia, not US or Europe, why they force our nation wear something that is not belong to our climate? No wonder people always look down at us, to them we are nothing much of blind slaves who even willing to wear something not suit our climate at all in order to please those foreigners. When will people start realize the most important thing we go to work is to finish our job professionally instead become an eye candy to those dog of western culture?
Like it or not... it far better than wearing a baju melayu and kain songket right? It's to you to choose the materials of your clothing. Be it Polyester or Cotton. If you are mainly on the go, choose 100%cotton to absorb the sweat. In this I don't see any qualms for dressing smartly with ties to work.

By the way, if you are complaining so much about your company dressing code, then apply to Microsoft.
QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 15 2006, 06:57 PM)
3. Since young I already know wearing black leather shoe with black sock eventhough most of my classmates and friend never realize that and wear all sort of color especially white sock ... But I never go around them and say:  "Wah ... you wear wrong sock, haiz ... what a poor creature, I think I can't continue be friend with you since you can't even properly presenting yourself!". jinyee80, I think your boss seriously need to take some EQ course and improve his IQ as well. If wearing a wrong sock won't make a person to be bad then wearing wrong salso won't make a presentation become bad either. Does he educated enough to know a proper and polite way is to approach that guy after the presentation and suggest him the proper dress code. Dress code is a personal habbit so why is someone dumb enough to relate it to prefessional work performance?  I hope your boss next time won't pointing at the drinking machine and scolding this drink water doesn't meet the ISO:9000 standard and this will lower your company public image, or refuse to take a cab because the driver is a smoker, which your boss firmly believe a person who can't manage of his health will also not be able to manage driving a cab either.
I think you are the one who needs an EQ test. As mentioned by Jin Yee, they are expecting a presentation done by an advertising company which by common sense needs high quality in taste in fashion and colours. So what her boss did is right. whistling.gif

And refuse to take a cab because he is a smoker? You are giving the wrong examples. What does transportation has to do with health?

QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 15 2006, 06:57 PM)
Seriously, most of the important and busy persons wear very casual only, cause they have alot more important things to do. An example would be Bill Gates who only wearing plastic watch, I hope your boss won't scolding Mr Gates for having such a low standard and unprofossional dress code and refuse to cooperate with him because obviously Mr Gates can't even present himself properly for Micrososft.

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If you have lots of money no one is stopping you. But since you are the lowest hierarchy in the coperate world, dress well wink.gif
I've even seen a nose picking, phleghm spitting chinaman with short pants being chauffeur by a Ah Mat. As long as u have the money why not?

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post Jul 16 2006, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(Lithos @ Jul 16 2006, 12:20 AM)
I'm sorry jinyee80 and hamster9, but I have to say I agree more with Mr. ReWer on his opinions. That's not to say yours are wrong, everyone is entitled to theirs.

Sometimes people have to look beyond appearances and superficial matters, and focus on what's more important: substance. Jinyee's boss acting the way he did, I think, is too extreme. The fact that he's an 'ang mo' doesn't make him right. The advertising company's material or methods may have been what jinyee's company would have wanted, but her boss was too narrow-minded to wait and find out. Wearing grey socks with black shoes is hardly a serious crime, and really smart people would have waited to see what the company had to offer before making up their minds. You never know what opportunities you might have missed if you don't even give yourself the chance to find out.

Sometimes people make oversights, and jinyee's ang mo boss is surely guilty of that as well unless he's from another planet...and as I had mentioned earlier, grey socks with black shoes is a nothing more than a slight oversight. At least he didn't wear bermuda shorts and a bandana. I'm pretty sure great people like Mr. Gates and Warren Buffet always took the time to listen to offers and  entertain opportunities that were present to them; they didn't get to where they are by brushing people off arrogantly and displaying their lack in all these areas: patience, subtlety, people skills, business acumen, and last but not least, courtesy.
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So meaning to say you would take the doctor's advice to quit smoking when you can smell he is a smoker?
So meaning to say you would sign up for a slimming program when some of their staff are overweight?

A man like Gates and Buffet do not need to listen to petty offers as they already have personal assistant to do so. Contracts amounting millions, definitely in every single detail is taken into consideration, regardless the tie colour to socks colour before meeting Mr Gates. Not some low lying hobo presenting on the OHP. By the way, if you guys haven't work in Microsoft before, here's some info, the interview always requires you to dress well including a tie. And once you are working there, it depends which department you are working. Customer service will definitely need you to wear formal even though you have a qualifications as a programmer.

 

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