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TSIronhide828
post Feb 19 2014, 12:56 PM, updated 12y ago

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Dear all sifus out there,


If you are planning for long term in property investment, when would you start to form the Property holding company?!

A) When you already owned 4 rentable properties by now?!

or

B) By the time you just start in property investment?!

or

C) When all the properties giving a high cash flow of income after the expenses?!


Can any sifus advise on this?1

Thank q very much!





TSIronhide828
post Feb 20 2014, 12:01 AM

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Thanks to all Sifu for sharing.

Like that sounds like having a business running and property purchase under this Sdn Bhd is better.
But how if company goes for bankruptcy, would the properties attached be affected?!

I have been running my own company for 7 years in sole pro and just set up a Sdn Bhd for my company last year, which running the same business.

I am planning to get a Sdn Bhd to hold those big ticket property with little tax levied, so seeking some sincere comment from senior investor / tax expert & etc.


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post Feb 20 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Feb 20 2014, 08:54 AM)
The killer of Ihc is the 5% permitted exp allowanable for tax deduction. So even tho u take salary or incur other exp, the exp deduction is limited to 5% of the rental income. The good thing about Ihc at the initial stage is banks give funding based on ur personal income with personal guarantee attached. In Long run when the sdn bhd is free of debt n generate healthy cash flow, u can keep buying without giving personal guarantee to bank. Bank won't fund a aging man but an Ihc won't age.

A sdn bday with running bz is diff risks assessment for banks. They judge the sdn bhd on its own credibility and cash flow. Th exp can be deductible but on separate income source.
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Cocoon bro, thanks for the great info.

The 2 great reason I'd like to have properties under Sdn Bhd is
A) easy of transfer of share (estate planning) in future
B) to borrow no matter how old am I


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post Feb 20 2014, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Kevin Chan @ Feb 20 2014, 09:27 AM)
yupe, if your company goes bust ... the property go as well.
but then again ... you plan to bust your company of 7 years ?

don't quote me session :
since you have experience running a business.
Start another S/B providing support to your main business.
have your main business engage your second business to do job
your second business would have a steady source of income form your main business.
your main business is the customer of your second business.

example ... open a account firm, since your main business need to engage accountant for annual audit. would be best if your wife is an accountant.
other example ... open a handyman company to repair property ... since your property need maintenance. 

so now your second company have a legitimate business ... of 1 customer !! YOURSELF !!  rclxms.gif
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Kevin bro, thanks for the comment.

I like the idea of you, been thought of this way, form another sole pro company to charge back on the Sdn Bhd, in order to lower down the profit of the main business.
So, the tax could be minimized then, right?!

But my idea is just to open up another sole pro company and not Sdn Bhd. What is your view on this?!

Furthermore, I see most of my client's company, they will have different Sdn Bhd under their group and one of them sure its their property / asset company.
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post Feb 21 2014, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Cocoon @ Feb 20 2014, 01:57 PM)
If I were u, set up a Ihc buy a property borrow under sdn bhd with personal guarantee. Banks don't normally lend to a start up sdn bhd even tho is a mortgage loan with owner personal guarantee.

After release the first payment, inject ur bz into the Ihc and make it non Ihc. Becarefully with the 80% income ruling to classify as non Ihc.

Ur rental deduct interest = investment gain only can be deducted against current year losses since it is classied as investment income rather than bz income. Manage it thru ur salary so that enjoy the personal scale tax rate rather than straight 25% tax

Also the downpayment u make for property should put as advances rather than share cap to avoid hitting min 2.5m share cap in order to enjoy 20% corporate tax rate.
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Thanks cocoan bro, you are really my Sifu!

Whatever u try to say here, I feel like I understand a little. But when I study further, I know I am not there yet.
You knows the game completely and you know how to play it well.

I think I still need to figure out clearly the difference of IHC and non IHC, to further understand the strategy to use.

Mind if I am asking, a veteran investor, do not only hold the properties in Sdn Bhd but in both (Sdn Bhd and personal) to see how to overcome the loophole of tax, betul kah?!


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post Feb 22 2014, 11:23 AM

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Wondering do u knows any good tax company to recommend which is for my Sdn Bhd?!


 

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