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post Jan 26 2015, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 01:02 AM)
hmm, i kinda think he bet on inaho to disable saucebomb's shield, and iinm, he wanted to kill inaho or even both.. Not too sure, didn't bother to rewatch the anime, could someone give a definite answer as to what really happened in this episode? :3
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Honestly, the bullet trajectories would be a very straightforward calculation, no Tharsis necessary. The exact trajectory of the bullets, and the time of their arrival would be easily computable.

The tricky bit is how he knew that particular region of space would be occupied, seeing as space is... big.

That said, a large spray of bullets is likely to trace a large toroidal arc around the planet, so in fact he doesn't need to specify a single specific point in space at a particular time. There is actually a fairly large region with a spread of times at which Inaho/Saazbaum would enter the firing solution. I think what happened is during the fight he maneuvered to causally provoke Inaho's movements (and Saazbaum's pursuit) into causing the two of them to enter the firing solution at a suitable place and time. This would only require a short prediction, since he already knows the firing trajectory and just has to arrange for them to enter that region at a suitable time. Depending on where they are, the timing will differ, potentially allowing Slaine quite a bit of fudge factor by moving forward or backward along the trajectory's arc.

This makes sense because the episode was based on positioning in chess.


Something like this in the chess forshadowing link
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post Jan 26 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 01:02 AM)
hmm, i kinda think he bet on inaho to disable saucebomb's shield, and iinm, he wanted to kill inaho or even both.. Not too sure, didn't bother to rewatch the anime, could someone give a definite answer as to what really happened in this episode? :3
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aye....

no actually tharsis does play a role...but he could only see a short distance in the future..no exact time given though..so i m guessing it more or less a few hours in advance max...

remember slaine said "even tharsis cant see that far into the future huh?" given that sentence..and the calculation of the trajectory..he probably just manipulate both of em...but if 2 of em died together that will be a plus...ultimately his target was saazbaum all along...
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(Shiniz @ Jan 26 2015, 11:35 AM)
aye....

no actually tharsis does play a role...but he could only see a short distance in the future..no exact time given though..so i m guessing it more or less a few hours in advance max...

remember slaine said "even tharsis cant see that far into the future huh?" given that sentence..and the calculation of the trajectory..he probably just manipulate both of em...but if 2 of em died together that will be a plus...ultimately his target was saazbaum all along...
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Oh, I just remembered this. Slaine said this to harklight " I've fired the shots into the region that you've calculated " . Meaning harklight played a role in this too.

Anyway, i rewatched that specific part and it was confusing as hell.
First slaine said he fired that in advance so that the bullets would follow earth's gravity and swing one round around earth to reach that spot. Initially it was suppose to be a trap to defeat inaho,

Then the next sentence was " the trick was to disable saucebomb's dimensional barrier, but i thought if anyone could do it, it would be inaho "

He then go on to say how he can't forgive him for shooting his princess. The second volley of bullets reached and it was rip for sauzbaum.

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So which is it? defeat inaho or defeat sauzbaum?
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:33 PM

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I believe it's for both. Maybe first volley for inaho while 2nd volley for saucebombpedas or vice versa.
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post Jan 26 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM)
Oh, I just remembered this. Slaine said this to harklight " I've fired the shots into the region that you've calculated " . Meaning harklight played a role in this too.

Anyway, i rewatched that specific part and it was confusing as hell.
First slaine said he fired that in advance so that the bullets would follow earth's gravity and swing one round around earth to reach that spot. Initially it was suppose to be a trap to defeat inaho,

Then the next sentence was " the trick was to disable saucebomb's dimensional barrier, but i thought if anyone could do it, it would be inaho "

He then go on to say how he can't forgive him for shooting his princess. The second volley of bullets reached and it was rip for sauzbaum.

rclxub.gif

So which is it? defeat inaho or defeat sauzbaum?
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it for both of them..inaho was juz a plus to the damage....
but he believe inaho would be able to defeat saabaum and at the same time dodge slaine trap...which he advance knew....

yea harklight is now the past slaine where he simply become a dog to saazbaum..instead he now become saazbaum and harklight he trusted personal lap dog...
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post Jan 26 2015, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Shiniz @ Jan 26 2015, 02:38 PM)
it for both of them..inaho was juz a plus to the damage....
but he believe inaho would be able to defeat saabaum and at the same time dodge slaine trap...which he advance knew....

yea harklight is now the past slaine where he simply become a dog to saazbaum..instead he now become saazbaum and harklight he trusted personal lap dog...
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Hmm, but i think harklight isnt a lap dog to slaine. He asked him to not call him so formally in the previous episode. and in this episode, he even asked about harklight's family and his background . Slaine said " this new era will be for people like us. Let's begin, harklight " ( I assume he meant, lets begin overthrowing this system )
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post Jan 26 2015, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 03:19 PM)
Hmm, but i think harklight isnt a lap dog to slaine. He asked him to not call him so formally in the previous episode. and in this episode, he even asked about harklight's family and his background . Slaine said " this new era will be for people like us. Let's begin, harklight " ( I assume he meant, lets begin overthrowing this system )
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aye.....

so in the end...slaine will still fight with inaho?
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post Jan 26 2015, 03:32 PM

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I think, initially it was to defeat Inaho. Keep in mind that Troyard hadn't yet adopted Slaine when he shot off the bullets, meaning that if Troyard had died in combat, Slaine would have gone back to being a nobody. Once he was adopted, he adapted the plan to try and kill both Troyard and Inaho.

Also, Inaho told Inko that if she hadn't been there, he would have lost. So basically Inaho got lucky.
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i think the attack actually for inaho only...but after saazbum make slaine as his step son, and he also pursuit inaho, so he re-strategy...why not have both in the attack he launched...thats my opinion...
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jan 26 2015, 03:32 PM)
I think, initially it was to defeat Inaho. Keep in mind that Troyard hadn't yet adopted Slaine when he shot off the bullets, meaning that if Troyard had died in combat, Slaine would have gone back to being a nobody. Once he was adopted, he adapted the plan to try and kill both Troyard and Inaho.

Also, Inaho told Inko that if she hadn't been there, he would have lost. So basically Inaho got lucky.
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By Troyard you mean Sazaabaum??? Dr. Troyard is another person...
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post Jan 26 2015, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Shiniz @ Jan 25 2015, 03:41 PM)
inaho machine has a 3d manuever gear.....

slaine have finally earn a spot in my badass evil mothafacka ...
and all of this for kitty in a water tank....
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this lol.
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post Jan 26 2015, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Shiniz @ Jan 26 2015, 12:20 AM)
have comatosed crush lock in water tank for his own fapping session - checked!
summary of slaine...
-shot hail of bullets toward gravity pulls 6 hours in advance....
-calculated hail of bullet trajectory
-also calculated that inaho would disable saazbaum unit
-ALSO calculated that inaho will dodge the bullets and survive..

conclusion
mothafacking backstabbing lord slaine saazbaum troyard who will f**k the world upside down for his comatosed crush who possibly doesnt even care about him....aye
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technically, harklight man crush did some of his homework
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post Jan 26 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 26 2015, 04:22 PM)
technically, harklight man crush did some of his homework
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i miss that before i made that statement so yea...
he now have a fan...
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QUOTE(dishwasher @ Jan 26 2015, 03:32 PM)
I think, initially it was to defeat Inaho. Keep in mind that Troyard hadn't yet adopted Slaine when he shot off the bullets, meaning that if Troyard had died in combat, Slaine would have gone back to being a nobody. Once he was adopted, he adapted the plan to try and kill both Troyard and Inaho.

Also, Inaho told Inko that if she hadn't been there, he would have lost. So basically Inaho got lucky.
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:06 PM

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Well played Slaine. I didn't see that coming.
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 02:24 PM)
Oh, I just remembered this. Slaine said this to harklight " I've fired the shots into the region that you've calculated " . Meaning harklight played a role in this too.

Anyway, i rewatched that specific part and it was confusing as hell.
First slaine said he fired that in advance so that the bullets would follow earth's gravity and swing one round around earth to reach that spot. Initially it was suppose to be a trap to defeat inaho,

Then the next sentence was " the trick was to disable saucebomb's dimensional barrier, but i thought if anyone could do it, it would be inaho "

He then go on to say how he can't forgive him for shooting his princess. The second volley of bullets reached and it was rip for sauzbaum.

rclxub.gif

So which is it? defeat inaho or defeat sauzbaum?
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i think Slaine set it to trap Inaho at first, then so happens Saucebomb go intervene

so prolly Slaine got lucky that he nearly kill two birds with one stone

cept that Inaho survived thanks to Inko. cos if Inko didnt disable Dioscuria MkII and giving time for Inaho to grapple out of the killzone, Inaho and Saucebomb will be caught in the volley of shots together

rmb when Inaho tried using the grappler to get out of danger zone? Slaine shot the hook to prevent him from leaving the killzone.

the trap is super double edge though, imagine if Inko didnt disable Dioscuria MKII barrier. Dioscuria MkII be like "something hit me?" when the first volley appears, then obviously Saucebomb will suspect on why Slaine set trap hmm.gif
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 09:34 PM)
i think Slaine set it to trap Inaho at first, then so happens Saucebomb go intervene

so prolly Slaine got lucky that he nearly kill two birds with one stone

cept that Inaho survived thanks to Inko. cos if Inko didnt disable Dioscuria MkII and giving time for Inaho to grapple out of the killzone, Inaho and Saucebomb will be caught in the volley of shots together

rmb when Inaho tried using the grappler to get out of danger zone? Slaine shot the hook to prevent him from leaving the killzone.

the trap is super double edge though, imagine if Inko didnt disable Dioscuria MKII barrier. Dioscuria MkII be like "something hit me?" when the first volley appears, then obviously Saucebomb will suspect on why Slaine set trap hmm.gif
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Nah, not really, i think slaine can argue that he set the trap for inaho and that saucebomb would be fine with the dimensional shield. smile.gif
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(ck.chunkeat @ Jan 26 2015, 09:40 PM)
Nah, not really, i think slaine can argue that he set the trap for inaho and that saucebomb would be fine with the dimensional shield. smile.gif
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without informing Saucebomb at first? hmm.gif

its a massive random volley of shots though, potential to hit the "unshielded" part is quite high too.

but oh well, lets just say Slaine improvised the trap to kill Saucebomb when Inaho found out the trap laugh.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:57 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 09:44 PM)
without informing Saucebomb at first?  hmm.gif

its a massive random volley of shots though, potential to hit the "unshielded" part is quite high too.

but oh well, lets just say Slaine improvised the trap to kill Saucebomb when Inaho found out the trap laugh.gif
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this is what I understand as well.. Slaine was to set up the trap for Inaho. He said even his mecha cannot predict that far into future, because he believes Inaho mecha has the same hack as his.
Then Saucebomb came, he just kinda let Inaho do the dirty job.
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QUOTE(Godevil @ Jan 27 2015, 08:57 AM)
this is what I understand as well.. Slaine was to set up the trap for Inaho. He said even his mecha cannot predict that far into future, because he believes Inaho mecha has the same hack as his.
Then Saucebomb came, he just kinda let Inaho do the dirty job.
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6 hours preparation just to kill aim bot inaho lol . Damn cant wait for another count slaine saucebomb troyard vs ensign inaho kaizuka

Who will prevail ? Why the heck is he hinting Asshime 1.0 is at moonbase during his speech
Baiting inaho hmm.gif

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