GE declined my claim with reasons which is not acceptable.
In short:
--> the time they approach, anything CAN CAN CAN.
--> the time we need claim, they will decline with all kind of funny funny reasons to leceh us.
Complaint on Great Eastern Insurance, Declination of Guarantee Letter
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Dec 10 2014, 01:30 PM
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I am having similar situation recently. In the midst of appealing now.
GE declined my claim with reasons which is not acceptable. In short: --> the time they approach, anything CAN CAN CAN. --> the time we need claim, they will decline with all kind of funny funny reasons to leceh us. |
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Dec 10 2014, 02:54 PM
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Jan 8 2015, 12:03 PM
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QUOTE(ExpZero @ Dec 18 2014, 01:21 PM) Mind letting us know the reason of declination? I bought GE since 1994 (36 illness) and til Jun 2013, my agent came and approached me to upgrade my policy. Unfortunately, I diagnosed with LEFT breast cancer in May 2014. Now, they reject my claim due to the reason of "UNDISCLOSED" because they said I never disclose that I did my yearly medical check since 2001 and found I got a small cyst on my RIGHT breast. Frankly speaking, since 2001 - 2014, doctor did not comment anything on my cyst found in RIGHT breast but just advice to do yearly check up as usual. Also, my LEFT breast is normal at that time (last medical check on JAN 2014). I wrote an appeal letter and explained but still they insisted I did not disclose the "cyst found on my right breast" upon signing of the upgraded policy in Jun 2013. How do I know I have to mention about it although my doctor did not comment anything special on it????? I don't understand.eAs a ex-GE staff, in order to decline a claim, we have to open a physical file and write down our justification and proof. Usually the whole file consist of 10+ pages for a single case and it's not an easy process to decline a claim. Last but not least, for every declination >RM5,000, we will need to present and get the approval from our Chief Operating Officer which is very tedious because he is our top management and that's the reason we don't decline case without solid proof. Whereas approving a claim is so much easier. I think it would be fair for both Insurer and Insured if you explain the whole situation in detail especially for the mass market. If you need help in fighting for your claim, do let me know your policy number, I'm sure I will be able to help you if your case is genuine. Now they reject my appeal again by giving the same reason "UNDISCLOSED", at least they have to call me up and let us sit together and talk about it (I think). Otherwise, their final judgement means final, as an insurer, we have to accept.....is it???? I think the last step I could do is go to BNM and appeal. Just wanted to know, can I hire a lawyer to sue GE on this? I really do not know what to do now. I am very frustrating. As a cancer patient, the compensation and medical coverage is very important to me, but now, all gone. I feel very disappointed with insurance, I trust GE for more than 20 years but at the end, it's useless to me. What's the point???? Appreciated if anyone can assist me by giving your advice here. |
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Jan 8 2015, 12:17 PM
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Dec 10 2014, 02:56 PM) Hope your appeal will be accepted. I bought GE since 1994 (36 illness) and til Jun 2013, my agent came and approached me to upgrade my policy. Unfortunately, I diagnosed with LEFT breast cancer in May 2014. Now, they reject my claim due to the reason of "UNDISCLOSED" because they said I never disclose that I did my yearly medical check since 2001 and found I got a small cyst on my RIGHT breast. Frankly speaking, since 2001 - 2014, doctor did not comment anything on my cyst found in RIGHT breast but just advice to do yearly check up as usual. Also, my LEFT breast is normal at that time (last medical check on JAN 2014). I wrote an appeal letter and explained but still they insisted I did not disclose the "cyst found on my right breast" upon signing of the upgraded policy in Jun 2013. How do I know I have to mention about it although my doctor did not comment anything special on it????? I don't understand.....it's unfair to me.Please do update and hope all is well for you. When u are better, please do give us more details God Bless Now they reject my appeal again by giving the same reason "UNDISCLOSED", at least they have to call me up and let us sit together and talk about it (I think). Otherwise, their final judgement means final, as an insurer, we have to accept.....is it???? I think the last step I could do is go to BNM and appeal. Just wanted to know, can I hire a lawyer to sue GE on this? I really do not know what to do now. I am very frustrating. As a cancer patient, the compensation and medical coverage is very important to me, but now, all gone. I feel very disappointed with insurance, I trust GE for more than 20 years but at the end, it's useless to me. What's the point???? Appreciated if anyone can assist me by giving your advice here. |
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Jan 8 2015, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(zest168 @ Jan 8 2015, 04:07 PM) Firstly very sorry to hear of your diagnosis, hope that you will get well soon. I believe you have rather a strong case here because a cyst in 2001 may not be related to cancer in 2014. Furthermore, your policy was bought way back in 1994 when the cyst was non existent then. May be I din stated clearly. Actually they have settled (paid) the policy which I bought in 1994. The one that declined was the upgraded policy which entered in may 2013. But based on the info I mentioned above, I felt like being cheated.Suggest to write to Financial Mediation Bureau which is stated in the decline letter sent to you. They are rather unbiased. Good luck. |
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Jan 8 2015, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Jan 8 2015, 05:26 PM) Okay, that makes things much clearer. According to my yearly medical report from 2001 ~ 2014, doctor NEVER mentioned about special treatment or alert on my cyst but just do yearly check up as usual. I believe GE will receive the same reports as mine. Right? Even doctor cannot justify it is a cancerous cyst, and no further check up or screening are adviced.Normally for say such disease like Cancer, getting t within 1-year of Purchase of an Insurance Policy will trigger many investigations by the Company as to whether you really knew that you were sick or was already a pre-condition, meaning it was really existing and you may or may not have known about it. Since GE has already honored the previous policy in 1994, my personal opinion is that its going to be tough for you to fight for GE to honour based on the new policy. You will really need some sort of supporting letters from your current doctor that in May 2013, when you bought the upgraded policy, you were not aware of the condition or your condition was non-existent. Try to talk to your current doctor and see if they are willing to help you draft somethings along those lines. Nay you have a speedy recovery Another thing is, I was sent by company to do yearly check and the doctors are different every year. So, whIch doctor they are referring to? I think no need to talk to doctor as he/she already gave me their conclusion n advice in my medical reports unless they are giving different statement to GE. Can we call GE n request for the proof? Or can I request an interview with claim dept? |
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Jan 9 2015, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 8 2015, 10:44 PM) Few points to question... All these could be due to laziness of agent as well (1) I think the upgrade is "top up" by giving a new policy number. I'm not is this a normal practice. But 1 thing for sure is according to my agent, medical check is required by insurance company only if the premium is very high and mine one not necessary to do the check.1) when you say upgrade, i assume you actually mean a new policy. Always in insurance form they will ask about medical check up and results, if any. Now this has not been disclosed to insurance company. So, even if you were not aware of your condition, you did fail disclose about those medical check up. 2) and you mention doctors giving advice? You mean those check ups or what? Abit confused. If those medical check up is company related, got nothing to do with GE? Sorry for your illness... Hope you gain a full recovery soon. (2) you are right, the medical check is a routine (yearly) check which required by my employer. Ever since I diagnosed with cancer (May 2014), GE did investigation and they got the results from my company panel doctor. As doctor said I'm healthy and no special treatment or further diagnosis test is needed, so I really never take it as a big deal. In this situation, how do I justify whether I should tell? FYI, the cyst found in 2010 is on my RIGHT breast, now the cancer is on my LEFT breast. |
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Jan 9 2015, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(justafriend @ Jan 9 2015, 02:07 PM) Best wishes for a speedy recovery TS! First of all, thank you very much for your reply.I do not have any vested interest on the outcome of the claim either way, but with your permission, I would like to share my 2 rupiah opinion. The summary of it is that I do not think the claim on the 2013 policy would be successful. Insurance is a contract- nothing more, nothing less. So let's have a quick look at the components of a contract. There is the buyer/proposer, the seller/acceptor and consideration which is something of value, in this case the monetary insurance premium that the client would be paying. One of the main difference of a insurance contract compared to other contracts, is that it is a contract of uberrimae fidei in latin which means utmost good faith. So the client is supposed to declare their health in full, to the best of their knowledge in good faith to the insurance company. The insurance companies then decide should they want to accept this proposed insurance, decline or impose any special condition to it. By not declaring the medical condition (cyst) even though knowing about it and with doctor's acknowledgement of its existence is a breach of contract of utmost good faith. Whether or not it is a top-up policy with the same policy number or an entirely new policy is not relevant because the condition existed prior to the policy being entered in 2013 (pre-existing condition). The exception here is that companies may at certain times make an explicit waiver for health requirements declaration for certain periods or certain products (i.e. senior citizen life coverage that do not require medical check up). The next question that may arise is that the cyst was on the right breast, whereas the cancer was on the left breast. So in tandem with the non-declaration of a pre-existing condition, we now look at whether this is a material fact. A material fact is defined as one that would make an underwriter make a different decision. Some definitions go as far as to term it 'prudent underwriter'. If the client had disclosed the existence of the cyst when taking up the policy in 2013, would the underwriter decline the case? Would the underwriter request for a medical check up at their panel clinic? Would they impose a loading term? Would they exclude breast coverage? We wouldn't know, but the choice of declaration is not within the scope of the client nor the agent to determine. The client is supposed to declare and let the underwriter make the decision. In that case, even if case was mistakenly approved, the burden of proof and claim then rests with the insurer and not with the client as is the case now. The small silver lining is that the insurer would need to refund the premiums paid since 2013. You may still opt to write in to appeal based on compassionate grounds but the chances wouldn't be very high. Once again, i wish you good health and a speedy recovery and i'm sorry i could not give you a brighter reply to your claim. I really confuse, I did informed my agent all those information including I am a thalesimia carrier, but he told no need to declare anything on it. So, as a general public, I buy insurance from an appointed agent by GE, of course I have to trust him, what is wrong with me? GE is suppose to investigate on the quality of their before making any judgement on it. Now, one of my child also a carrier of thalesimia, but with agent's advice, we did not declare it to GE. So, what shall I do next? Since agent who is so called "TOP agent" of GE cannot be trusted, what shall I do?? I hope to make as a big issue so that everyone will be alert. Previously, none of my family members believe in insurance except me, I'm the one who approaching them by telling them how important the insurance is especially when we need. But now, seems I'm totally wrong. I know it's not a wise decision to cancel all my family members insurance now, but really get mad with GE ...... they are lier......they cheated n keep cheating by their agent. Any advice on this? This post has been edited by AL0716: Jan 9 2015, 03:10 PM |
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Jan 9 2015, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 9 2015, 04:41 PM) Find an honest agent. Although that’s not easy to come by. Insurance companies abide by the contract and usually not out there to cheat customer's money. You must understand insurance companies also can't have customer lying to get money from insurance companies. After all, we hope the money paid by insurance companies, really go out to deserving individuals. Yes, MAY BE you are correct in the way that insurance company didn't cheat their client but one thing for sure is they make use of the relationship as well as trust between agent and clients to get more business but they will make as much trouble as possible when we really need them. When comes to claim, most of the people will say it's agent's fault, meaning..........none of the business for the insurance company.The irony is TOP agent doesn’t mean the best. It means this agent brought in a lot of sales. After all, their priority is closing sales. The bigger the better. The faster, the better. A proper agent would have sat down asked the customer each question in the proposal form, ensure the customer understand the questions in it and made sure everything that needs to be disclosed was indeed disclosed so that we don’t have this non-disclosure problem. And please don’t cancel any insurance without thinking through. I did provide many proofs that I have no intention at all to cheat them. If I want to, I shall upgrade my insurance when my cyst was found in year 2011. Why should I wait until my agent propose me to upgrade in 2013????? Can anyone explain to me on this??? I really hope their claim department will call me up for an interview, I got many questions and many things that need to voice out. To GE, declined means declined by issuing a notification......that's all. To me, my agent is a honest agent until now. He is still doing whatever he can to appeal for me. But on the other hand, he is not because he made me in trouble now. SO, how to judge / find a honest agent?? This post has been edited by AL0716: Jan 9 2015, 05:19 PM |
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