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post Jul 10 2006, 09:43 PM, updated 19y ago

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Monday [Chest]

Flat Benchpress [Yes, yes I know....Next week drop.~]


40lbs warmup x 10
100lbs x 10
120lbs x 8
160lbs x 4
180lbs x 2 [Second rep needs assistance]

Decline Benchpress [Done with dumbells. So it's "Weight per hand"]


40lbs x 10
50lbs x 10
60lbs x 8 [3 sets at this weight]

Incline Benchpress. [Done with dumbells]

30lbs x 10
40lbs x 10 [3 sets]
50lbs x 5

Machine ones, you knoe? The ones they kepit your chest

60lbs x 10 [4 sets]

Bodweight dips

10 reps x 3 sets


10 mins jog at 9KM/h

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post Jul 10 2006, 09:50 PM

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wait ah, chup.....wednesday journal
leg day

Squats:

Bar x 10 reps
30KG x 10 reps
40KG x 8 reps
50KG x 8 reps
60KG x 6 reps
65KG x 4 reps

I will be trying 70KG x 1 rep or 2 reps this Wednesday

Leg Presses

100KG x 10 reps
120KG x 8 reps
120KG x 8 reps
120KG x 8 reps

Leg Curls

50LBS x 10 reps
50LBS x 10 reps
50LBS x 10 reps
50LBS x 10 reps

Usually., I'll drink 500 ML milk before and 500ML milk+oats+honey+4 eggs after a workout

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Thursday [Shoulder Days]

Overhead Behind Neck Barbell Press

With Bar x 10 reps
20lbs x 10 reps
40lbs x 10 reps [2 sets]
50lbs x 8 reps [1 set]
60lbs x 6 reps [1 set]

Overhead Dumbell Press

20lbs x 10 reps
25lbs x 10 reps
30lbs x 8 reps
40lbs x 6 reps
50lbs x 3 reps

Side Lateral Raises

15lbs x 10 reps [REALLY SLOW. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds hold, 2 seconds down]
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps

Front Lateral Raises

15lbs x 10 reps [REALLY SLOW. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds hold, 2 seconds down]
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps

That excercise, where you lift the bar up, with your arms close together and bring it slightly foward and lower. It's for the traps

60lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 8 reps

Dips till my arms can't move anymore.
I donno why I do them for anyway, but they're pretty fun.

Yes, I really kill the shoulders. They're the weakest and smallest part. I've always been said that I don't have broad shoulders, so let's see if this helps make it broader.

OH Yeah, one more thing. When doing squats, rest the bar on your traps. It puts tremendous pressure on them.

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Back Day [Friday]

Deadlift

120lbs x 10 reps
160lbs x 8 reps
180lbs x 6 reps
200lbs x 4 reps [Repeat 3 sets]

Barbell Row

80lbs x 10
100lbs x 8
120lbs x 5 [Repeat 3 sets]

Behind Neck Cable Pulldown

60lbs x 10
70lbs x 8 [2 sets]
80lbs x 6 [1 set]

Cable Row

70lbs x 10 reps [Repeat 4 sets]


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post Jul 10 2006, 09:53 PM

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errrr.......can tell me wat is flat benchpress,decline and incline benchpress? blush.gif tongue.gif
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post Jul 10 2006, 10:01 PM

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Flat......the bench is flat

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incline, the bench incline
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decline, the bench decline

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icic.thnx !
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post Jul 10 2006, 11:12 PM

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Good work on the new PR for the flat barbell bench. But if you want to max out on heavy doubles, i suggest you reduce the total number of work sets prior to the max attempt. Try not to max out if you're doing high volume work.
And wtf.... the machine where they kepit your chest is called the machine flye you idiot. Lol.
Try to make dips a staple of your work out. I notice they are last priority in your cheat workout. They hit the lower pecs like no other. They are MUCH better than decline bench pressing, trust me. You can reduce overall volume by replacing the decline bench with weighted dips.
Good work all in all.

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Yokie mister darkie.....
I'm going to be doing arm workouts also soon.
They are just not growing.
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post Jul 11 2006, 01:56 PM

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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 11 2006, 01:45 PM)
Yokie mister darkie.....
I'm going to be doing arm workouts also soon.
They are just not growing.
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Eat more. Lol. Or if you want, add in biceps on back day and triceps on chest day. Working the push and pull muscles on one day each will allow more recovery time. 2-3 sets of bicep work thrown in after back work is enough to fry them. Same goes for tris on chest day. Let us know how it goes. smile.gif
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eh u go gym everyday ?
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post Jul 11 2006, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 11 2006, 01:56 PM)
Eat more. Lol. Or if you want, add in biceps on back day and triceps on chest day. Working the push and pull muscles on one day each will allow more recovery time. 2-3 sets of bicep work thrown in after back work is enough to fry them. Same goes for tris on chest day. Let us know how it goes. smile.gif
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Yokie. Shall do that. Tomorrow's legs day. OH.......................can you feel it babE!! WOOHOO!!! Maybe if I can stlll tahan i go kacau the bicep curls a while

QUOTE(Peisqo @ Jul 11 2006, 02:09 PM)
eh u go gym everyday ?
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Shit. A word of warning. Don't poke your head into the Cupid's section unless you want to get catabolic. This place is so much better. Lol.
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post Jul 12 2006, 11:39 AM

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Yo buddy! Squat day today? Here's a motivational pic for you. wink.gif




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post Jul 12 2006, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jul 12 2006, 11:39 AM)
Yo buddy! Squat day today? Here's a motivational pic for you. wink.gif
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hey damn you!
that's not true
that cannot be true!! No girl warms up with 65KILOS!! I hope~
you're mean.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 12 2006, 06:34 PM)
hey damn you!
that's not true
that cannot be true!! No girl warms up with 65KILOS!! I hope~
you're mean.
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You'd be surprised. She's bloody strong for a girl man. She lifts pretty heavy, especially her leg press pic i posted above. That'll shame you into pushing yourself harder bro. wink.gif
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post Jul 12 2006, 08:22 PM

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Okay, update on my session. I failed to hit 70KG's. Body didn't allow it.

Went with;
Squats

20KG x 10 reps
40KG x 10 reps
50KG x 8 reps (3 sets)
60KG x 4 reps

Leg Press

120KG x 10 reps (3 sets)

Leg Curls

22KG x 10 reps (3 sets)

I can't feel my legs..........ouhch....
And darkie, I fricken lost weight. Baskitful, I'm at 68KG pulak. ARGH
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Workout looks pretty good. Eat more to compensate for extra caloric expenditure due to basketball.
Don't aim for 70kgs too fast. Try to hit more reps with 60kgs. I noticed you managed to do 4 reps, pretty good but try hitting at least 8 reps before you up the poundage. Another option is, now that you might be plateauing, you can try making smaller increments like going for 62.5kgs.
Maybe the other guys here can give feedback too. Try asking Flesh or Potato.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 12 2006, 06:34 PM)
hey damn you!
that's not true
that cannot be true!! No girl warms up with 65KILOS!! I hope~
you're mean.
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who cares if its true or not, with a body like that she could tell me she warms up with 200kg's and i'd believe her. drool.gif



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Overhead Behind Neck Barbell Press

20lbs x 10 reps
40lbs x 10 reps
50lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 6 reps

Overhead Dumbell Press

25lbs x 10 reps
30lbs x 8 reps
40lbs x 6 reps
50lbs x 3 reps

Side Lateral Raises

15lbs x 10 reps [REALLY SLOW. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds hold, 2 seconds down]
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps


Front Lateral Raises

15lbs x 10 reps [REALLY SLOW. 2 seconds up, 2 seconds hold, 2 seconds down]
15lbs x 10 reps
15lbs x 10 reps

That excercise, where you lift the bar up, with your arms close together and bring it slightly foward and lower. It's for the traps

60lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 8 reps
60lbs x 8 reps

Barbell Row

80lbs x 10
100lbs x 8
120lbs x 5

Cable Row

80lbs x 8
80lbs x 8
80lbs x 8

Yes I intend to add back/shoulder workout this week. I can't split shoulders and back for this week. Bleah.....this is the goal, donno if i'll achieve it

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okay this is a very strange question
There' sthis guy with these stats

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Stats 5/15/06
Bench - 155 3x
Squat - 230 4x
Dead - 180 6x


I can bench 180lbs 2x, Dead 200lbs x 4

However, my squat is nowhere near his. I only squat 143LBS, that's like 90lbs less than his. Kinda annoying......urgh. Still not sacrificing perfect form for weight though. Will never do tat.
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Drop the front raises, your anterior deltoids get hit enough from bench pressing and shoulder pressing.
Do your back first before your shoulders as back is a bigger bodypart. I would recommend you grouping shoulders and chest together though, the back is a huge muscle and you need a whole session ot focus on it.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 13 2006, 10:02 AM)
okay this is a very strange question
There' sthis guy with these stats
I can bench 180lbs 2x, Dead 200lbs x 4

However, my squat is nowhere near his. I only squat 143LBS, that's like 90lbs less than his. Kinda annoying......urgh. Still not sacrificing perfect form for weight though. Will never do tat.
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Very simple. Most people put e-stats. They lie about how much they can lift. The best way is to back up lifts with a video like me. People can't say i'm lying about lifting heavy because I have videos of my lifts.
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Today's a Sunday, I did my chest. I had a terrible back day on Friday. Didn't do it right, so I'm intend to try that again on Monday perhaps.

Anyway, for today's chest.

Bodyweight Dips

10 reps x 4 sets

Incline Bench Press

80lbs x 10
100lbs x 10
120lbs x 8
120lbs x 8
120lbs x 8

Dumbell Decline Press

40lbs per hand x 10
40lbs per hand x 10
40lbs per hand x 10
40lbs per hand x 10

Dumbell Extensions

40lbs x 10
40lbs x 10
65lbs x 4
65lbs x 4

Chest Pec

60lbs x 4 (I got the wrong weight)
50lbs x 8
50lbs x 8

Calve raises

200lbs x 25
200lbs x 20
200lbs x 30

my calves felt, like it went through squats on the thighs.

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10 scoops oats + 500ml mlk + Honey

PWO meall

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Jambu batu. Sedapnyer....
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today's bodyweight day.

10 reps x 3 sets of bodyweight pull-ups. Normal grip

20 reps x 5 sets of push-ups

Muay thai

gives a nice lil pump biggrin.gif
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Muay Thai ? Awesome .. where u take the class ?
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used to learn from friends from thailand
now they're gone, so i just train with a punching bag and do a lot of fast kicks on a kicking pad.

For the knee attacks, I get my brother to hold a solid pillow and i hold one too. I do knee attacks, he does roundhouse kicks. We do it till one of us gives up first. IT's really fun.

Anyway, today's leg day.

Squats

20KG x 10
40KG x 10
60KG x 8
60Kg x 6
65KG x 6
65KG x 4

Leg Press

115KG x 10
115KG X 10
115KG X 10
115KG X 10.

Leg Curls

60Lbs x 8
60lbs x8

drive home....it's a chore okay.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 19 2006, 06:52 PM)
used to learn from friends from thailand
now they're gone, so i just train with a punching bag and do a lot of fast kicks on a kicking pad.

For the knee attacks, I get my brother to hold a solid pillow and i hold one too. I do knee attacks, he does roundhouse kicks. We do it till one of us gives up first. IT's really fun.
do any slow motion kicks? they help alot with precision and thats imporant for practical use.

do you spar with your brother? i found round house kicks to be completely useless in fights where the other guy tries to grapple you down to the ground, fast short kicks to the legs, kidneys and head seem to work better than fully extended kicks where you expose yourself alot more.
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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Jul 19 2006, 07:27 PM)
do any slow motion kicks? they help alot with precision and thats imporant for practical use.

do you spar with your brother? i found round house kicks to be completely useless in fights where the other guy tries to grapple you down to the ground, fast short kicks to the legs, kidneys and head seem to work better than fully extended kicks where you expose yourself alot more.
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Every morning, 20 times, extremely slow sidekicks, roundhouse kicks, front kicks, reverse kicks and backthrusts. Just try to hold it as long as possible without losing balance.

My bro does roundhouse kicks cuz you can't use knees in taekwondo. SO since roundhouse kicks' are like the most commonly used, he trains them. Yes, he knows it's completely useless in real life, so my bro's just training till he gets his black belt before he moves to a more advanced style of martial arts.

He was thinking aikido or karate. Bugger thinks muay thai is for people that like to fight naked and get smeared in the sweat of his opponent. Baskit....
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okay, i think i've got the perfick form for deadlifts.......
well at least while holding the broomstick i can do it well...

to try this saturday.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jul 19 2006, 08:20 PM)
My bro does roundhouse kicks cuz you can't use knees in taekwondo. SO since roundhouse kicks' are like the most commonly used, he trains them. Yes, he knows it's completely useless in real life, so my bro's just training till he gets his black belt before he moves to a more advanced style of martial arts.

He was thinking aikido or karate. Bugger thinks muay thai is for people that like to fight naked and get smeared in the sweat of his opponent. Baskit....
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tongue.gif i do roundhouses aswell, suck at them though. alot of guys say they are useful but i think thats because they fight in standup fights with no grabbing or hitting while the otherguy is down. but hey chuck norris doesnt seem to think roundhouse kicks are useless and thats all that matters.

have a friendly full contact fight with him, send a knee to the side of his head and see if he still thinks its useless... if he's still conscious. alot of people keep going on about how this style is crap or that style is crap, most of the time these people have never been in a real fight against someone good from the style they're criticizing.

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well... that's the problem with the modern martial arts school
they train you for the competition only... no face hitting lar, no groin hitting lar, no grappling lar.. etc
those technique you learned in the class will be pretty useless in an actual no rules street fighting.
IMO, you'll have to let go of those rules that you are bound to when you're in a real fight, go for the most effective and most straight foward technique, and don't forget to practice grappling technique too wink.gif
Among the major martial arts out there, the one I really don't want to fight , either in a ring or street fight, is Jiujitsu. I think the only way to beat them is to run as fast as you can from them tongue.gif


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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jul 20 2006, 09:58 AM)
well... that's the problem with the modern martial arts school
they train you for the competition only... no face hitting lar, no groin hitting lar, no grappling lar.. etc
those technique you learned in the class will be pretty useless in an actual no rules street fighting.
IMO, you'll have to let go of those rules that you are bound to when you're in a real fight, go for the most effective and most straight foward technique, and don't forget to practice grappling technique too wink.gif
Among the major martial arts out there, the one I really don't want to fight , either in a ring or street fight, is Jiujitsu.  I think the only way to beat them is to run as fast as you can from them tongue.gif
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kyokushin doesnt allow hitting to the face with your fist or elbow but you can kick in the face, they incorperate hard sparring to teach students how to withstand pain, while it may not be practical by limiting sparring tactics they do teach face punching they just dont do it in sparring.

its a misconception that skills learnt in martial arts are useless in street fights, they are only useless if the practitioner is unable to utilise the skills he has learned. bruce lee would pwnt 80% of the brawlers and gang punks out there with ease, again practitioner over practice. most schools dont teach you how to hit someone when theyre down or condition your mind to fight, those schools are useless not the actual style itself.

yeah jiujitsu practitioners who know their stuff are tough in a fight, the can really f*** you up on the floor, the problem with jiujitsu comes with a multiple opponent fight, while you grapple the otherguy bashes your head in.

imo since most fights in malaysia involve more than 1 opponent(even malaysian school girls are gangbangers now apparently) and if i could only learn from 2 schools for the purpose of fighting multiple opponents i'd pick aikido + kyokushin.

anyways... sry to go off topic here. i seem to be doing that alot lately.

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It's not possible for me to plant a knee on my brother's face.

Everytime we have a sparring match (actually he has the bodyvest, but I don't!!) but I can never seem to hit his head with my knee. I'd jump high enough, and instead of avoiding, he'll just send a high back kick into my abs. Yes they hurt, especially when you don't have a vest.
He is pretty bloody fast and usually jumps out before I am close enough to hit his face. So usually, we'll just play around with roundhouse kicks and reverse kicks and knee attacks as well as front kicks. I don't wanna hurt hiM!! My mom'll kill me

My brother does know a lot about taekwondo, but he admits tkd isn't very useful in real life fights. Even his "Bakat" (some talented fighters group la) group leader said once;

"IF you get in a fight, taekwondo has trained you in speed. Taekwondo has trained you in resistance. Please grab a hard object and place your back onto a wall to minimize your attackers area of attack. Then hit everybody you can and immediatelly run away.

He came back devastated. Lmao!

I still think muay thai rox, rox! Oh and taichi is lots of fun and pain.
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taichi hurts? It dosent lah. unless your master didint ask you guys to stretch and do the jibengong (basic moves) before you start

I've been doing chen-style taichi for a year now. It's very good, at least for me, although I always kena marah by by the master (he goes "I know you didint practice!")

so far lots of improvements on my well being.
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Haha! Now Pizza's journal has become a martial arts thread tongue.gif

Well.. for a 1 to many fight, first thing I'll do is..... CABUT!!!
Run as fast as you can

If no where to run, I'll just grab any hard object and start whacking and look for opening to cabut tongue.gif

1 to 1 fight i'll just target his weak spot like groin and throat first... even thou they teach me not to attack these spot in martial art classes tongue.gif

btw, I've seen an blackbelt instructor got gangbanged by a few ahbeng, until he's hospitalised for weeks. Somemore prior to the fight, he still challenge them for a 1 to 1 fight doh.gif End up kena gangbanged pula doh.gif

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well i hope to be a 95KG muay thai fighter ....so i'm okay with martial arts discussions.

Martial arts, despite how many bodybuilders deny it, actually is more fun that weightlifting. A lotl
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QUOTE(Joey-kun @ Jul 20 2006, 11:33 AM)
taichi hurts? It dosent lah. unless your master didint ask you guys to stretch and do the jibengong (basic moves) before you start
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it hurts when you're sparring(do taichi practicioners actually spar?), when we say taichi we dont mean taichi morning exercises, we mean taichi as in come at me so i can fling you across the room.

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Jul 20 2006, 04:22 PM)
it hurts when you're sparring(do taichi practicioners actually spar?), when we say taichi we dont mean taichi morning exercises, we mean taichi as in come at me so i can fling you across the room.
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dunno why but the master dosent allow us to spar. But he did use me for demo once and omg hurts!!!!@@
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Aight, tmr's back day. Here's what I've got planned. The back still explodes, unlike the shoulders and chest. God they never grow, gotta find a way to make them.

Pull-ups 1-1-2

Bodyweight x 12 reps x 3 sets

Barbell Row 1-1-2

80lbs x 12
100lbs x 12
120lbs x 10
130lbs x 8
140lbs x 6
150lbs x 2

(I betcha notice I LOVE barbell rows eh? kakakak!)

Machine Rows 1-1-2

60lbs x 10
70lbs x 10
80lbs x 10
90lbs x 8
100lbs x 6

Lateral Pulldowns. 2-2-3

70lbs x 10
80lbs x 8
90lbs x 6
100lbs x 4

Deadlift

100lbs x 10
120lbs x 10
140lbs x 8



I'm damn sure I won't be able to pull deadlift with perfect form at 240lbs, so i'll just lower it all the way down.

My back responds well to workouts, better make the best of it's responsiveness before it hits a pleateau.
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Alright after a long time of no updates, I shall update this again. I'm using a 5x5 system now.

A.T.G Squats:

15KG x 5 reps
25KG x 5 reps
35KG x 5 reps
45KG x 5 reps
55KG x 5 reps

Olympic Bar Bench Press:

31KG x 5 reps
54KG x 5 reps
54KG x 5 reps
59KG x 5 reps
62KG x 5 reps

Deadlift

40KG x 5 reps
65KG x 5 reps
76KG x 5 reps
86KG x 5 reps
86KG x 5 reps

Bodyweight Wide Pull-ups

8 reps x 3 sets.

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Breakfast:

Half-chicken breast
Brown rice
400ML HL Milk (+) Oats

Pre-Lunch:

5 eggs with 2 yolks
1 Potato

Lunch:

Another half-chicken breast
Soup with noodles
Veggies

Teatime:

2 egg tarts
1/2 can tuna

Dinner:

1/2 chicken
Veggies
1/2 potato

Pre-Bedtime:

500ML milk

It's only sundays and saturdays taht I can get proper food. All other days, I egt crappy food
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How much does your food cost you? I'm having limited budget as an mmu student. My monthly pocket money for food is just rm300(if I use it on other stuff I have to cut down my food) and my apartment doesn't allows cooking.
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How much does your food cost you? I'm having limited budget as an mmu student. My monthly pocket money for food is just rm300(if I use it on other stuff I have to cut down my food) and my apartment doesn't allows cooking.
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QUOTE(gsdfan @ Aug 20 2006, 05:41 PM)
How much does your food cost you? I'm having limited budget as an mmu student. My monthly pocket money for food is just rm300(if I use it on other stuff I have to cut down my food) and my apartment doesn't allows cooking.
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When I was serious abt this, it cost my mom nearly RM500 a month. All home cooked food.
Then when I slacked off, about 200 bucks......hardly follow a proper diet. Just eating shit and crap la....
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What is the cheapest protein I can get besides egg?

boiled egg-rm0.40 1 Ixora
chicken rice -2.50...chicken so little Ixora
economy rice- rm3-4 Ixora
bread-rm rm1.50 MMU shop
drinks- depends
water-FOC tap water
apple- 1 rm U-center
250ml milk- rm1.30 MMU Shop

Approximately rm10 perday. If i overspend on junk food.... sad.gif

I have frens that can even survive rm5 a day. morning bread, lunch rice , dinner maggie.

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That's probably cuz your friends don't weightlift.

Alright, eggs. Bintang hypermarket:

RM6.40 for a tray of 30.

Highly HIGHLY suggest you fry these eggs with butter/margarine.They're not that fresh for you to half-boil them. Or at least, hard-boil. Don't risk half-boiling them.

Economy rice, RM3.50 from Mesra MMU.
Take sausage, veggies, fish or chicken. Forget the rice. You can get carbo from potatoes.

Or else, go to a malay shop, in Plaza Siswah. Take, chicken, fish, gizzards (protein also).

Or you can buy from the last shop in plaza siswah, don't take any rice. Take loads of the beef and potatoes. While eating, remove the fats off the beef yourself.
You should round to about RM4 on the rice. It's not that steep, just screw the rice if you want to.

Oats is also a great source. I suggest mixing your oats with your milk. Buy HL milk (RM3.85) from bintang supermarket, (Do you have a fridge?) and mix 350ML with 6 scoops of oats.
U can take them after your workout, or for breakfast, along with your eggs.

Chicken, if you buy from market, about RM8 for a whole chicken? Is it? I'm really not sure, can't help you here. I struck a deal with my mom, I eat 1 chicken a day, but I can't demand for beef steaks anymore sad.gif

tuna, if you buy from makhota, there's this one kinda brand....it's RM2.95, but you gotta have a can opener. They tarak the "pull and open" type.

anyway, i'll figure otu anything around melaka so that you can get to them.

RM300, is a little short for food, but don't worry....students are smart biggrin.gif

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My tak halal guide to getting enough protein in MMU:

walk to the mixed rice shop next to Wilson chicken rice, name of the shop is Jin Loong. pick only 2 dishes, rice has protein too, so don't really ditch them out of the story, if you're an ectomorph it matters even more to take in enough calories for growth.

Jin Loong, rm4.50 - One veggie dish and a portion of chicken or pork the size of 1 and a half of your fist. (1 fist if you've got a big fist, applies to all you 190cm giants out there)

Pin Kee, rm4.00 - Just across Dewan MPBB, near the previous Big Eye restaurant. Go for Kung Pow chicken or Black Pepper chicken. Lotsa meat. But don't bring a few friends over and order the same thing, you'll get less.

For the other 3-4 meals, just stuff yourself with wholemeal bread with peanut butter and eggs.

2 slices of wholemeal bread gets you 7g of protein.

But like pizzaboy said, you can go get your protein at the last shop at plaza siswa too. the name is something like Taste of the Middle East or something. The kebab is pretty cheap in comparison to the amount of meat you get.
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actually i ditch rice, not to save costs.....
i hate rice actually.
But at home, I eat brown rice la....make my whole family suffer with me. tongue.gif

Today's workout will go with:

Squats:


70lbs x 5
85lbs x 5
100lbs x 5
120lbs x 5
140lbs x 3
100lbs x 8

Benchpress:

95lbs x 5
120lbs x 5
140lbs x 5
160lbs x 5
190lbs x 3
140lbs x 8

Barbell Rows:

55lbs x 5
70lbs x 5
80lbs x 5
100lbs x 5
115lbs x 3
85lbs x 8

Weighted Dips:

40lbs+bodyweight x 8 reps x 3 sets

Barbell Curls:


50lbs x 8 reps x 8 sets


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hey, pizza. i'll come at 3:30pm. dark blue polo shirt (hennessy kasi free punya) and very very short hair. you're in a blue mizuno jersey right?
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anyways, might want to not overconsume the canned tuna.

It contains a hefty amount of mercury doesnt it?
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the only blue mizuno shirt today i see is mr chua's. lol. where were you?
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QUOTE(Panadol @ Aug 21 2006, 06:31 PM)
the only blue mizuno shirt today i see is mr chua's. lol. where were you?
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He's the big guy there wearing white sleeveless t-shirt doing rows near the hifi .
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 20 2006, 03:26 PM)
Breakfast:

Half-chicken breast
Brown rice
400ML HL Milk (+) Oats

Pre-Lunch:

5 eggs with 2 yolks
1 Potato

Lunch:

Another half-chicken breast
Soup with noodles
Veggies

Teatime:

2 egg tarts
1/2 can tuna

Dinner:

1/2 chicken
Veggies
1/2 potato

Pre-Bedtime:

500ML milk

It's only sundays and saturdays taht I can get proper food. All other days, I egt crappy food
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dude, the way you eat. shocking.gif sweat.gif Expensive wei!!!! If eat everyday like that, i think every month need around RM600~800 lor...
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How much does your food cost you? I'm having limited budget as an mmu student. My monthly pocket money for food is just rm300(if I use it on other stuff I have to cut down my food) and my apartment doesn't allows cooking.
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got fridge? Fully use the fridge. Store anything that is clean and good for you.
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QUOTE(Panadol @ Aug 20 2006, 10:01 PM)
My tak halal guide to getting enough protein in MMU:

walk to the mixed rice shop next to Wilson chicken rice, name of the shop is Jin Loong. pick only 2 dishes, rice has protein too, so don't really ditch them out of the story, if you're an ectomorph it matters even more to take in enough calories for growth.

Jin Loong, rm4.50 - One veggie dish and a portion of chicken or pork the size of 1 and a half of your fist. (1 fist if you've got a big fist, applies to all you 190cm giants out there)

Pin Kee, rm4.00 - Just across Dewan MPBB, near the previous Big Eye restaurant. Go for Kung Pow chicken or Black Pepper chicken. Lotsa meat. But don't bring a few friends over and order the same thing, you'll get less.

For the other 3-4 meals, just stuff yourself with wholemeal bread with peanut butter and eggs.

2 slices of wholemeal bread gets you 7g of protein.

But like pizzaboy said, you can go get your protein at the last shop at plaza siswa too. the name is something like Taste of the Middle East or something. The kebab is pretty cheap in comparison to the amount of meat you get.
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The Jin Loong nice meh? Shoulde try the Hakka rice shop just behind of Jin Loong, i used to eat there.

The Pin Kee is expensive and little, you should try the 663 shop their mix rice, at night also got. If monday and wednesday, i will eat at the pasar malam's chinese mix rice stall. That one lagi cheap.

If you want to eat rice and vege at 4~6pm, you can eat at the 663 there also. If i want to eat that time, i will go there lor.


QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 20 2006, 06:38 PM)
When I was serious abt this, it cost my mom nearly RM500 a month. All home cooked food.
Then when I slacked off, about 200 bucks......hardly follow a proper diet. Just eating shit and crap la....
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I think it should be ok, atleast you eat rice and vege like normal meal as long as you got eat enough proper food lor. It is not necessarily have to be everyday eat super clean and lean. This is just my opinion, i used to eat like that plus in the beef everyday, and now i never eat that way also, and i dont find any different lor compare with last time, i just make sure i got enough carbo and eating clean, then i blast myself at the gym.


QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Aug 20 2006, 06:14 PM)
your appartment doesnt allow cooking? wtf?
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oh yeah baby... this is student's life.... we cannot cook at home and we got to go out and eat sh*tty food. That's their economy strategic around this area. LOL! Eat outside, get sick, get problem, use money to heal the problem, and use money to buy those useless product to heal the problem and keep going on and on. See until sien.
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Hakka rice shop aka Wong Wan Yee too little meat dishes la. always fried leftover pork which consists mostly of flour. 663 i've no idea, i've eat the mixed rice there once but don't find it palatable. but the pasar malam is indeed very cheap, i ask them to go low with the rice and stuff my ricebox with meat.

eh, idk. show up. i think i'll be opening the gym on wednesday cause mr chua is taking leave.
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QUOTE(Panadol @ Aug 21 2006, 11:34 PM)
Hakka rice shop aka Wong Wan Yee too little meat dishes la. always fried leftover pork which consists mostly of flour. 663 i've no idea, i've eat the mixed rice there once but don't find it palatable. but the pasar malam is indeed very cheap, i ask them to go low with the rice and stuff my ricebox with meat.

eh, idk. show up. i think i'll be opening the gym on wednesday cause mr chua is taking leave.
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Atleast the Wong Wan Yee got the steam chicken from the morning which is plain and lean and there got a lot of choice and more clean and less salty as i can say lor... I eat around this bukir beruang for almost 6 years wei....


this wednesday? i got the freaking ECP test. cry.gif I wanted to show up today, as i also doing workout for today. But can you tell me where to do push up? I cannot find any place but outside and do the push up on the not-suitable-floor. That's why end up at OHM, atleast there big enough for me to flat down on the floor. Wanted to go tomorrow night, but got extra tutorial.. This sem all the classes goes against me.

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go take the mat and put it somewhere. everyone will walk around it, or you can just push the sit up benches closer to each other to free up space for yourself. but why are you pushing up in the gym?

there's still next week though, come visit me on my duty days.
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Wait.
Panadol, are you an indian guy?
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QUOTE(db07mufan @ Aug 21 2006, 02:25 PM)
anyways, might want to not overconsume the canned tuna.

It contains a hefty amount of mercury doesnt it?
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It's safe to say, you can consume 2 1/2 cans a day, for 40 years without dying of mercury, if you weightlift. These aren't those black tuna, those are expensive.


QUOTE(gsdfan @ Aug 21 2006, 06:55 PM)
He's the big guy there wearing white sleeveless t-shirt doing rows near the hifi .
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One problem here.
I'm not big. Everything else is accurate. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(iDk @ Aug 21 2006, 11:09 PM)
dude, the way you eat.  shocking.gif  sweat.gif  Expensive wei!!!! If eat everyday like that, i think every month need around RM600~800 lor...
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Nono! It's only on saturday/sundays when my mom is fully at home, and preparing for me the meals. Any other days, I'll be stuck with eating outside oily food.

QUOTE(iDk @ Aug 21 2006, 11:57 PM)
  cry.gif  I wanted to show up today, as i also doing workout for today. But can you tell me where to do push up? I cannot find any place but outside and do the push up on the not-suitable-floor. That's why end up at OHM, atleast there big enough for me to flat down on the floor. Wanted to go tomorrow night, but got extra tutorial.. This sem all the classes goes against me.
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No~No~
excuses tongue.gif

Btw, I've met gsdfan today. Bahgger, tall man you.

2 comments about him. He's a very SS guy.

Shy/Strong.

Dude squats about 50lbs, and he has a rather sore pair of thighs from last friday's workout. Flexibility and stability is a problem, but you'll work it out my friend.
Never have your toes, stick up.

And you've got some solid arms. Tabik! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Panadol @ Aug 22 2006, 12:01 AM)
go take the mat and put it somewhere. everyone will walk around it, or you can just push the sit up benches closer to each other to free up space for yourself. but why are you pushing up in the gym?

there's still next week though, come visit me on my duty days.
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dunno... just kind of sick of the normal workout; push for 12 times and rest 1 min. I want to play something new, push 15 times, push-up 15 times and rest 60~90sec something like that. Because i feel my nerve like not really strong enough to control all the muscle that i had, i mean something like fully use them and ask them to work harder. biggrin.gif

How to do squat at mmu gym? Use the smith machine or the other machine that near the weight scale that one? whistling.gif
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Wait.
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the big indian where they usually got two of them that one? I forgot their name de lar.... whistling.gif
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I'm forced to use the smith machine. And how la wanna squat with that leg press. Tak samaaaaa..........but gsdfan uses the ez-curl bar to squat. I daren't.....terlepas the weights, sure i die.

btw, jom discuss here la......nie aku mia jurnal nieh, korang jgn ler membebel kat sini. Tepok kang..... tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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It's safe to say, you can consume 2 1/2 cans a day, for 40 years without dying of mercury, if you weightlift. These aren't those black tuna, those are expensive.
One problem here.
I'm not big. Everything else is accurate. biggrin.gif
Nono! It's only on saturday/sundays when my mom is fully at home, and preparing for me the meals. Any other days, I'll be stuck with eating outside oily food.


No~No~
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luckily you save your family some money, or else.... Back home i ate that way and my father straight away scold me until my ear bleeding.



oh yeah... excuses.... smile.gif
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 22 2006, 12:16 AM)
It's safe to say, you can consume 2 1/2 cans a day, for 40 years without dying of mercury, if you weightlift. These aren't those black tuna, those are expensive.
One problem here.
I'm not big. Everything else is accurate. biggrin.gif
Nono! It's only on saturday/sundays when my mom is fully at home, and preparing for me the meals. Any other days, I'll be stuck with eating outside oily food.
No~No~
excuses tongue.gif

Btw, I've met gsdfan today. Bahgger, tall man you.

2 comments about him. He's a very SS guy.

Shy/Strong.

Dude squats about 50lbs, and he has a rather sore pair of thighs from last friday's workout. Flexibility and stability is a problem, but you'll work it out my friend.
Never have your toes, stick up.

And you've got some solid arms. Tabik! thumbup.gif
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hi pizzaboy( sweat.gif I forgot to ask your name)

Your arm is seriously big. 17 inche i think. Anyway, thanks for the guidance.

On squats, i think I can go 60lb. I think I know when not to go lower after my ass mucle tensed. But after a set, I don't have enough strenght to lift it off my shoulder then have to swing it off(hurts me though).

yeah, I don't talk much in gym. Even when I goes gym with my friend, we just do our own workout not talking much. then chow. Though I want to talk about it but I afraid he'll think I'm arrogant.

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Kirk.

They're not 17" la....that's big. It's only about 14-15" I think. Max.

If ur goin wednesday, I'll be there at 3.30PM also. I'll always be there 3.30PM, Monday/Wednesday. Friday's, I'll have to arrive at 6.30. Packed crap.

Good la, keep quiet. If you wanna lift, shut up. If you wanna talk, don't lift. Simple principles, to keep it below 1 hour.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/weis1.htm <--Are You Strong Calculator.

I fark it up on deadlifts and squats. Mine goes to 145Lbs on squats, but the "Fair" level is 255Lbs!!

Deadlifts, mine go to 200LBS but this says "340lbs" for a "Fair" level of strength. And I'm only aiming for 300lbs by December. WTF......
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Kirk.

They're not 17" la....that's big. It's only about 14-15" I think. Max.

If ur goin wednesday, I'll be there at 3.30PM also. I'll always be there 3.30PM, Monday/Wednesday. Friday's, I'll have to arrive at 6.30. Packed crap.

Good la, keep quiet. If you wanna lift, shut up. If you wanna talk, don't lift. Simple principles, to keep it below 1 hour.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/weis1.htm <--Are You Strong Calculator.

I fark it up on deadlifts and squats. Mine goes to 145Lbs on squats, but the "Fair" level is 255Lbs!!

Deadlifts, mine go to 200LBS but this says "340lbs" for a "Fair" level of strength. And I'm only aiming for 300lbs by December. WTF......
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Wednesday I have class on 4pm. Maybe doing it 30 minutes. Edit: might not, going for 6.30pm.

That calculator is dangerous man, it might meant for advanced bodybuilders.

Do you know any streching that could increase flexibility in squating. I can't squat well.

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QUOTE(gsdfan @ Aug 22 2006, 12:54 PM)
Wednesday I have class on 4pm. Maybe doing it 30 minutes.

That calculator is dangerous man, it might meant for advanced bodybuilders.

Do you know any streching that could increase flexibility in squating. I can't squat well.
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Nah....it's not a professional bodybuilder one.

I've been training my chest for quite sometime, so I get to hit the numbers. So definitely not professional only.

It's just that I've only started deadliting, recently. And I've only done like 5-6 times of deadlifting. Squats, for some reason my legs aren't strong, but I've done them less than 20 times anyway. Let's hope. biggrin.gif
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dude, those calculator... they bench press their body weight wei.... and the dumbell 40lb each hand? Those are seriously strong f*ckers with their weight. Just try to imagine my weight 60kg and i lift bench press 100 kg?! Deadlift 150kg? barbell curl 35kg? OMG!!!!! are they for real?!

but read carefully, these are for 1 rep only ah.... But it is still kind of difficult to do. If no spotter, better dont try it.
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pizzaboy, i think you better be careful with those weight you workouted increase too fast. I know one guy at my gym here, quite big and built. I mean he is big, but he previously got injured before from squat, injured the spinar and his lower body, the both leg hard can use and easily got numb. That's what he said lar, got injured from the squat and for 1 year plus he cannot run, cannot squat (even in toilet to do big business also f*cking hard to do), cannot sit, cannot stand and only can walk small step, and have to lay down with his back straight.

Scary eh?.... just to let you know. And now he never go near the squat rack, no squat and deadlift for him even he is BIG. Dont know you see before or not, bald and got tatoo on the right arm, chinese.

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whoa.....
shitty......
i can only bench slightly above my bodyweight.
the rest all kenot la, but considering i oni start deadlifting and squatting this year, i'll take my time to built it up.
push-ups help!! t3h rox0r
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that's probably bad technique iDk.. don't let it deter u.. as long as u follow everything accordingly and exercise caution.. all should be good..

weight should be increased really slowly.. and the big 3 should not be fooled around with.. it must be taken seriously.. only use weight that u can honestly handle.. don't let ego get to your head and cause u injury as it's not worth it at all..

squat, dead and bench conservatively.. if u feel u can't handle it for god sakes lower it! i hate ppl who can't make the weight but go for it for the sake of face!
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I got this reply frm carlsuen from anotehr thread so i post here.

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nice pics pizzaboy.. but u too skinny la.. need to put on more weight.. if not you won't be able to lift heavier.. get bigger but leaner at the same time.. hard but worth it..
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I noe I noe....
Lack of proper food is really difficult la...my mom insists that rice is the best food in the world, and thinks that if I wanna gain weight, i shud eat a lot of rice. I think to her, weight=fat.
So no point quarreling.

Okay, recent pics.

Yes I noe I'm getting fatter....shush!
I hardly notice a size increase, and my weight is about the same. However, I sumhow manage to lift heavier. Is there a reason to this?

I HAVE NO BACK MUSCLES.

i haven't been trainign hard enough, or eating enough weih...

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Nice abs, btw. I don't think you are too skinny, just need to make what you've gained so far look more "ripped", me thinks. And yes, you really need to focus a lot more on your back.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Aug 23 2006, 07:11 PM)
I got this reply frm carlsuen from anotehr thread so i post here.
I noe I noe....
Lack of proper food is really difficult la...my mom insists that rice is the best food in the world, and thinks that if I wanna gain weight, i shud eat a lot of rice. I think to her, weight=fat.
So no point quarreling.

Okay, recent pics.

Yes I noe I'm getting fatter....shush!
I hardly notice a size increase, and my weight is about the same. However, I sumhow manage to lift heavier. Is there a reason to this?

I HAVE NO BACK MUSCLES.

i haven't been trainign hard enough, or eating enough weih...
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YOU'RE NOT FAT shakehead.gif IF YOU ARE I'M SUPER OBESSED!!!!!!1111111111

I want those abs and that chest. Gonna rip it out from you. rawr.
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cool, ur abs are evenly partitioned instead of being deformed and all over the place. the 2nd tricep picture is freaky.....
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yea i noe

my cousin was like "WHOAAAHHAHAHAA DuDE! U sure you didn't jab crack a minute before?!"
bahgger him....

time to cut yet?
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you never focus on your back? Need to train the back wei... Izzit i see wrong or what, your chest seems like smaller than the old picture one?

Damn.... making me want to post mine too.... Wait... let me torture myself some more first... I want myself ripped all over. smile.gif
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I donno, I don't think the chest was smaller. Last time it was like more rounded I guess. Now looks broader. I recently started training backs la.....It's like, I donno howda pose the back.
It's extremely difficult for em to post the back. But in the mirror, I can see how to do it. On camera, susah sangat......tak ingat......

anyway just post la......what the heck rite....
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Alright, begginign this friday, I shall be goin to the Madcow's 5x5 routine for strength and size.

This is my input weight.

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This is for the Monday routine
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Wednesday.
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Friday.
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Thanks to the fact that my gym only has olympic barbells which are long and heavy as shit, I've to totally redo my entire work routine and weight. Those bars weigh 45 pounds itself.
Oh well, that's okay. I feel these bars, happen to use more muscle than the standard bars you get in gyms.

No excuse anyway, I'll have to hit my previous numbers with these bars then.

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you everytime workout also squat, is it ok to do that?
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The programme says it's okay, thus I shall believe the programme. It's built a lot of strong people, and among the users of this system is darklight too. Ah well he introed me to it, and called me a ***** for not continuing it tongue.gif
10KG in 10 weeks, here I come!
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ooh......off topic
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nose=check.

tongue=next year, maybe april for my birthday

nipple and belly=nah, i'm benchpressing and squatting. Ain't riskin them
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nose=check.

tongue=next year, maybe april for my birthday

nipple and belly=nah, i'm benchpressing and squatting. Ain't riskin them
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LOL!

How about the eyebrow?
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nose=check.

tongue=next year, maybe april for my birthday

nipple and belly=nah, i'm benchpressing and squatting. Ain't riskin them
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what about "down bellow"? i hear real men who do piercings really do have balls of steel tongue.gif
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......ewyuck u all........
eyebrows dowan do d lah....maybe next time lah, not for the time being.
Anyway, Monday's workout was;

Front Squat (Olympic Bars):

50lbs x 5
70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 5

Bench Press. (Olympic Bars)

70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
120lbs x 5
130lbs x 5

Barbell Rows. (Olympic Bars)[/b]

50lbs x 5
70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
100lbs x 5 (cheated, stupid shit.....)

[u]Overhead Dumbell Press


44lbs x 6
44lbs x 7
44lbs x 10 (i was helped)

Tricep Extensions

44lbs x 10
44lbs x 10
44lbs x 6
44lbs x 7

I'm goin to add the weight for tricep extensions.

And tomorrow, it'll be deadlift day.

So I'll be adding 3 isolation excercises as well.

-Upright row (or power shrug, IF my body permits)
-Sit-ups 3 sets (WTF for anyway????)
-Calve raises

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pizzaboy!! you're doing the 5x5!! great!! haha.. i knew darklight was gonna intro it to someone.. he asked me to convince him to try it too(vain pot).. i've been running the 5x5 for a year now.. and have made great gains from it.. strength wise i gained a hell lot too..

and i notice you're doing alot of extra work too.. in the 5x5 madcow stated not to f*ck with it.. just stick to whatever it says in the template and nothing else.. at least until u've run it 2-3 cycles consecutively.. with deloads in between of cuz..

and i also noticed u're doing front squats? i don't know whether you're doing M-W-F or T-T-S.. cuz the first day is supposed to be a new PR for full oly ATG squats.. front squats can be done on deadlift day where the load will be much lighter..

oh ya.. get rid of the tri extention and DB overhead press.. you'll burn yourself out before week 5.. trust me.. the volume will be enough to kick your ass in week 6.. ask darklight, he's having trouble now..

u can do pullups, chinups, or dips instead.. and do abwork on deadlift days and saturday.. do hyper extentions(for lower back) on non deadlift days too..

follow what madcow has layed out and u won't regret it..

ask if u have any questions.. i'm quite familiar with the program..
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shrugs and calf raises are body building stuff.. the purpose of this program is for strength and size gains.. pls respect it..

and the reason for abs and hyper extension is to strengthen your core.. if u realise, all the lifts in the 5x5 are compound lifts.. u won't find ANY iso stuff there.. thus recruiting alot of your core... u want to squat 100kg? deadlift 140kg? strengthen your core and all will come in due time..

why is core so important? the core is your centre of gravity, and all the lifts there heavily depend on it.. u need your core to be able to sustain that weight when u recover from a squat.. much less balance it over your shoulders.. u need core so that your upper body doesn't collapse on u when u deadlift off the floor.. and without a strong core, u won't be able to deadlift heavy with correct form..

so the next time u think sit ups are stupid, think again..




they actually are.. lol..

here's a way to do killer crunches.. if ur gym has a decline bench USE IT! get in to position on the decline bench and lie down. slowly raise your upper body till u reach top and come back down.. stop mid way for 3-5 secs.. if u can do 10 reps without panting, use DB or plates to add weights!

no decline bench? use a swiss ball or medicine ball or whatever u call it.. biggrin.gif

and don't even think that sit ups or crunches is useless when u can see your abs.. u may be able to see your abs.. but i bet my fat belly of mine is stronger than yours.. haha! flex.gif tongue.gif

hyper extensions too.. they're for the lower back and hamstring.. do them on first day and last day.. weighted if possible..

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I've so much to learn about this programme.
Darklight said I could add overhead presses.....that's why lah I did.

Also, I was reading another article, and alternating between that article, and this 5x5 programme, and I got totally mixed up. I was just reading the other article for knowledge, but somehow thought the iso's was written in the madcow programme.

Okay, since I can do dips and pull-ups, I'm all d' happier. I've always preferred doing compound workouts than isos. Btw, darkie says he never trains arms, but my arms, are terribly lacking.
I'm wondering how the hell he did 17 1/2 without direct armwork at all. I mean, my triceps are okay, (they're abnormal btw), but my biceps are peakless small.
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Dude, today i saw two foreign students (i think..) at my gym and they did their chest. Anyhow saw one of them and i going to shocking.gif my eyeballs out.

He did the bench press with the total weight of the plates only, 270lb!!! Yeah, without counting the barbell. He did 5~7 reps with 3~4 sets. When he was doing it, all those big guys stopped down, stand still, looking at him doing his reps and scared out. Heck, i also scared out. If that weight have to drop down, i dont think the spotter can help him out.

45lb * 6 = 270lb

bench press - 270lb
inclined press - 180lb
decline press 180lb

Dont ask me, i dont know how he did it. But he is big in terms of quite high BF% and i think he is about 150~180kg (i think, i'm not sure how heavy is him)

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mmu gym? issit? or outside one,

is his face like eurasian and got dark brown curly hair slightly touching his shoulder?

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not mmu gym, and that guy is short hair.
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btw pizzaboy, wuts ur height? juz wondering..lol...i am bout 172/173cm...@ 80KGS!!! will be trying out some programs my coming hols...so mite need some advices from some of u guys..lol..
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Dude, today i saw two foreign students (i think..) at my gym and they did their chest. Anyhow saw one of them and i going to  shocking.gif my eyeballs out.

He did the bench press with the total weight of the plates only, 270lb!!! Yeah, without counting the barbell. He did 5~7 reps with 3~4 sets. When he was doing it, all those big guys stopped down, stand still, looking at him doing his reps and scared out. Heck, i also scared out. If that weight have to drop down, i dont think the spotter can help him out.

45lb * 6 = 270lb

bench press - 270lb
inclined press - 180lb
decline press 180lb

Dont ask me, i dont know how he did it. But he is big in terms of quite high BF% and i think he is about 150~180kg (i think, i'm not sure how heavy is him)
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Freaky numbers....but at 150KG, that shud be possible. Maybe cut his fat, he's about 120KG of muscle. Quite fairly possible too if you ask me.

At OHM gym I presume?

@mogwli, I'm CM/67KG. A tiny ass guy.

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Freaky numbers....but at 150KG, that shud be possible. Maybe cut his fat, he's about 120KG of muscle. Quite fairly possible too if you ask me. 

At OHM gym I presume?

@mogwli, I'm CM/67KG. A tiny ass guy.
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WTH? ur bout my height n u oni weigh 67kg?? i am 80kg...i hav helluva GUT...n i think i hav at least A cup TITties!!sigh....i dont know where to start...haha...u look pretty good in the pics u took...

i remember u mentioned dat u wana get to 80kg? hmph..i am 80kg ledi....n if i wana start to BB, i need to EAT sumore? apamacam ni? doh.gif cry.gif
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Actually, I wanna hit 80KG's and eventually move to 90KG's.

I suppose your main target's probabbly losing fats?
Eat clean (minimal fat, minimal oil, minimal salt/sugar), lift heavy, cardio 30 mins a day, on your non weightlifting days.

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http://maxtalk.com.my/forum/viewtopic.php?t=582

yes.. what darklight says is correct.. u can add overhead press(OHP).. but using barbells.. and on another day..

that link there is the actual layout..

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=448271

here's my journal when i ran it last year.. maybe u could use it as a reference? though it wasn't exactly a long an successful run..

ask if u have more questions.. can't seem to add u on msn man.. wonder y?
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Actually, I wanna hit 80KG's and eventually move to 90KG's.

I suppose your main target's probabbly losing fats?
Eat clean (minimal fat, minimal oil, minimal salt/sugar), lift heavy, cardio 30 mins a day, on your non weightlifting days.
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so, basically, i hav to start losing fats FIRST, to..say bout 70kg..then i guess my gut will disappear, n then pack on the pounds again in terms of muscle? sweat.gif
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well generally it is very hard to do both.. lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.. but if u start to lift heavy, do cardio on your off days, and clean up your diet.. i don't see why u can't achieve it.. it's how badly u want it and what u are willing to do to see the results..
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well generally it is very hard to do both.. lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.. but if u start to lift heavy, do cardio on your off days, and clean up your diet.. i don't see why u can't achieve it.. it's how badly u want it and what u are willing to do to see the results..
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so basically, maintain my weight, do weight to gain muscles, n do cardio to trim the gut to be abs? sweat.gif

well, honestly i dont reali know much bout this stuffs...dats y i am here askin n all..sorry ya pizza for hijackin ur thread..mebe u shud open my own thread instead.. tongue.gif
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so basically, maintain my weight, do weight to gain muscles, n do cardio to trim the gut to be abs?  sweat.gif

well, honestly i dont reali know much bout this stuffs...dats y i am here askin n all..sorry ya pizza for hijackin ur thread..mebe u shud open my own thread instead.. tongue.gif
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muscles are heavier than fat, so if you're gaining muscles you'll notice an increase in weight, but at the same time losing inches.
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oh ya.. pizza boy.. u might also wanna consider labelling your workouts by weeks and days..

example..

week 1 day 1.. week 1 day 2.. week 1 day 3.. week 2 day 1.. etc etc etc..
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To Pizza,

I have been to gym for about 3 months now, i have seen growth for both biceps and triceps and for my leg, such as the thigh and so on. But i cant see any significance improvement on my chest and abs. As for my abs i have been doing sit ups previously of 150 where 1 set i did 50 x 3sets = 150. After some time i have converted to abs bench abdominal where there is weight on it so that i could put more pressure on my abs. Again i cant really see the results, so could you give some recommendations.

My Height is 171cm and Weight is 53kg.
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i'd like to ask.. what kind of results do u expect from doing sit ups?

omg.. malaysian potato.. i think we need to sticky up a

"SIT UPS WON'T GET U ABS THREAD!!!"

crystal_kit85.. diet and cardio will get u there.. not sit ups..
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To Pizza,

I have been to gym for about 3 months now, i have seen growth for both biceps and triceps and for my leg, such as the thigh and so on. But i cant see any significance improvement on my chest and abs. As for my abs i have been doing sit ups previously of 150 where 1 set i did 50 x 3sets = 150. After some time i have converted to abs bench abdominal where there is weight on it so that i could put more pressure on my abs. Again i cant really see the results, so could you give some recommendations.

My Height is 171cm and Weight is 53kg.
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First things first, if you're following a system by a trained professional, or a strength coach or something, then great.
But, if you're using a programme, that you built up on your own, without much help and guidance from outside sources, I suggest ditching that programme and follow the Rippetoe Starting Strength Workout programme.

It's excellent for people who have just started. I did my own workouts for a few months, didn't help much at all. No system. Now with this, I'm starting to notice gains in strength, even on my first week. Well actually, this isn't the first week, but, i'll get back to taht later.
Just do a google search on it.
As for your chest, eat more. At 171CM/53KG's, you're a lil too light. They'll grow, only if they have enough food. Abs=Cut that flab. Can be done later......now, bulk up.

Okay, as of yesterday workout.
FIRST WEEK
Excercise:Repetitions:Weight(LBS)

Squat
5 69
5 87
5 104
5 104
Incline Bench
5 70
5 83
5 97
5 111
Deadlift
5 103
5 124
5 144
5 165

3 sets of sit-ups, 10 reps, with the method carlsuen suggested earlier. Only difference is I didn't hold on so long.

I'll say that this was pretty easy, but since it's just the first week, I'll shut up first. Hehehe.....

Since I can add other compound excercises, I think next week, I'll add pull-ups to Wednesdays.
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great job dude!! i'm rather exited to see another fellow malaysian do this program!! u won't regret this man.. i GUARANTEE U!!

oh ya dude.. squats and incline bench are supposed to be 3 set of 5 reps of the SAME weight!! omg.. did u take a look at my journal!?! pls briefly go thru it.. u will learn alot and save time on error.. spend 20 mins going thru better than waste 2 days..

deads working up to a top set of heaviest 5 reps.. same with military press too.. add the pullups on workout A if u want, or u could do dips instead as workout B already has chinups..

just a suggestion..

and add weight to the abwork when possible..
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I think, you're asking me to do rippetoe right?
I mean, when was there a workout A and workout B in the "Starr" programme??

I ust follow whatever that excel file computed for me.
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Alright thanks for the help, i'll try to change my workout plan the next session.
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great job dude!! i'm rather exited to see another fellow malaysian do this program!! u won't regret this man.. i GUARANTEE U!! 

oh ya dude.. squats and incline bench are supposed to be 3 set of 5 reps of the SAME weight!! omg.. did u take a look at my journal!?! pls briefly go thru it.. u will learn alot and save time on error.. spend 20 mins going thru better than waste 2 days..

deads working up to a top set of heaviest 5 reps.. same with military press too.. add the pullups on workout A if u want, or u could do dips instead as workout B already has chinups..

just a suggestion..

and add weight to the abwork when possible..
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Bro, i think you made a mistake. Lol. He's doing the Single Factor of Madcow, not Rippetoe. Hehe. Idiot. tongue.gif

Anyway carl, i think i need 2 weeks off from squats and deadlifts. I think my body still needs to get acclimatized to the volume of day 2 of military presses, deadlifts and squats. Either i deload, reset the weight 2 weeks back or i take a complete rest because my lower back is b****in' to me already.
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Pizzaboy, great job on the lifts. You'll progress faster than any mormal bb'ing split trust me. All you need is patience. I'm glad i convinced you to get back to this program. carl is the monkey who intro'ed it to me. =P
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oops.gif aduh!! sorry sorry!!! i feel so stooopid now.. haha!!! i confused u with greyshadow.. haha!! omg.. doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif

pizzaboy.. carry on with your work then.. but still.. u don't need inclines bench on wednesday anymore.. as you already have a variation of bench.. the flat one.. so i suggest that u sub the inclines for military presses instead.. haha!! i'm so dumb..

oh crap.. i did it again.. i signed in as my bro.. carl here.. sleep.gif"

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wanan be strong, wanna be strong
wanna be stronger than all of you all here, wanan be stronger!!!!! (oops too loud)

Friday, wheee!!!!! Watch me bust 1 extra rep outta the 3 rep one....
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go go go!! really healthy competition here.. hehe.. but remember not to let the ego overtake u.. if the weight is too heavy.. never attempt it!!

man i gtg sleep now.. lifted 3 hours ago.. chiao..
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oops.gif aduh!! sorry sorry!!! i feel so stooopid now.. haha!!! i confused u with greyshadow.. haha!! omg.. doh.gif  doh.gif  doh.gif

pizzaboy.. carry on with your work then.. but still.. u don't need inclines bench on wednesday anymore.. as you already have a variation of bench.. the flat one.. so i suggest that u sub the inclines for military presses instead.. haha!! i'm so dumb..

oh crap.. i did it again.. i signed in as my bro.. carl here.. sleep.gif"
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betul-betul spamming kat thread aku......
oh and the machine benchpress in my gym's a joke. Hahaha, I laugh at the guys that use it and bench 150lbs and think they're great.
Okay, so I gave it a try too.....ego points. tongue.gif

anyway, i respond tremendously fast to this programme. i already notice gains on my uppe body. Freaky
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told ya.. hehe..
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Remember, day 2 is 4 sets, not 5 k? in case you forget.
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Alright.

Friday (Week 1):
Squats:

50LBS x 5
70LBS x 5
100lbs x 5
120lbs x 5
150lbs x 3
100lbs x 10 (pain sial!)

Benchpress:

70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 5
150lbs x 3
110lbs x 10

Rows:

50lbs x 5
70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 3
70lbs x 5

Weighted Dips (15KG) 10 reps x 3 sets

Throughout teh entire workout session, I drank oats and milk so yea.....I guess that's my post workout drink. For post-workout meal, I had double sirloin steaks and some pieces of chicken and fried oysters biggrin.gif

I screwed up on the weights used because I forgot the number. So I added 20lbs increment all the time. Still got a good workout though.

My back's sore as shit. The 150lbs squat is much easier, much much easier. I think I'll count without the bar. it's difficult for me to count with the bar la.....it's 45lbs anywa.....so yea.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Sep 9 2006, 02:03 AM)
Alright.

Friday (Week 1):
Squats:

50LBS x 5
70LBS x 5
100lbs x 5
120lbs x 5
150lbs x 3
100lbs x 10 (pain sial!)

Benchpress:

70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 5
150lbs x 3
110lbs x 10

Rows:

50lbs x 5
70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
130lbs x 3
70lbs x 5

Weighted Dips (15KG) 10 reps x 3 sets

Throughout teh entire workout session, I drank oats and milk so yea.....I guess that's my post workout drink. For post-workout meal, I had double sirloin steaks and some pieces of chicken and fried oysters biggrin.gif

I screwed up on the weights used because I forgot the number. So I added 20lbs increment all the time. Still got a good workout though.

My back's sore as shit. The 150lbs squat is much easier, much much easier. I think I'll count without the bar. it's difficult for me to count with the bar la.....it's 45lbs anywa.....so yea.
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Decent lifts, but may i ask why are you screwing with the program by doing 10 instead of 8 in squats and bench at the burn set?
And why ar the rows at the last set only 5 instead of 8? There's a reason the program is designed as it is, you shouldn't screw with it.
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Cuz two of the reps, did not feel good at all. So I was like, shit I cheated the form.....time to redo it......
oh and it was a typo for the rows.....hehe, it's 8 reps.
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Cuz two of the reps, did not feel good at all. So I was like, shit I cheated the form.....time to redo it......
oh and it was a typo for the rows.....hehe, it's 8 reps.
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no it was, realy it was pretty bad.
My back wasnt' arched but it was too far out.
Waiting for carlsuen to gimme more tips.

bah, i missed the bicep and tricep work cuz the gym was closing. damn
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Sep 9 2006, 01:06 PM)
no it was, realy it was pretty bad.
My back wasnt' arched but it was too far out.
Waiting for carlsuen to gimme more tips.

bah, i missed the bicep and tricep work cuz the gym was closing. damn
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Lol. Ditto. I missed dips, tri and bi work but as long as i got the 3 main compounds done, it didn't really matter to me.
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lol.. dude.. u could ask darklight man.. he can answer to u anytime too.. anyway, whats up?
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hahaha......i just wanna get input from both sides.
anyway,i'm drunk.....no not really, just slightly tipsy.
Damn, 2 big bottles and i'm boom!
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Whee....workout day....if u wanna know the true weight, then add 45lbs. I malas nak add.


Squats:

70lbs
90lbs
110lbs
125lbs
145lbs

Benchpress:

70
90
105
120
140

Barbell Row:


70lbs (terlajak, supposed to do 63lbs but kira salah)
75lbs
85lbs
100lbs
115lbs

3 sets of 10 repetitions extensions. 45lbs plate

2 sets of 10 repetitions sit-ups my style. 45lbs plate
1 set 10 repetitions my style, no plate. Got too tired.

How I feel:
It's getting heavier obviously, but still can handle the weights. As long as I don't wait too long without moving, I can push the weights up without much difficulty. I screwed up 1 rep of my benchpress cuz I waited on top too long.

Current weight: 67KG or 147LBS.

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Ate lotsa fish and a few chunks of chciken post workout.

Preworkotu was plenty of potatoes and half-a-chicken from kenny rogers.
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wow.. u sure bench alot for your current stats.. just a check on your bench form..

is the bar touching your nipple area? that's just a guideline obviously.. and remember to tuck your elbows in and not flare it out..
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HuH?? Not again.........am I supposed to touch my nipple not actually?

Cuz previously I watched the Milos video, he showed that it was like above the nipple area. SO I followed that. I'm so the confused.

And yeah, my elbows are always tucked in. Never ever flared out. It's unnatural for me to flare my elbows.
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yala.. i said that area ma..haha! cuz touching the nipple area will guarantee that u keep your elbows tucked in ma.. someppl touch their upper chest and end up putting their shoulders and rotator cuffs at risk..
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Alright!
Then it's cool.

I feel that the squats, deserve more weight. It didn't feel much and I was absolubtly ATG today. But I'll be patient.
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if u think it's nothing than instead of adding 2.5 kg per workout, try adding 5kg per workout then.. until when u are unable to sustain the 5kg per workout, u switch back to 2.5kg per workout then.. as a beginner to progressive loading, u'll reap the benefits of it maximum!!
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This really fuked my night.........a comment from a friend's mother, conveyed to me thru MSN

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I think about the past, and how we couldn't make it last says
she said your body don't look like you go for body building type..
she said your body look very fleshy... instead of muscle-ly...


Sadness ......oh well....

omg! This is amazing!! Powerlifter lookin more awesome than a bodybuilder.

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That's dave, maximum right. Shirtless

Here' he at 265lbs.

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Amazing........whether or not he's on steroids,don't care la. But just look at those forearms, and BACK!tHIS GUy's a godamnned inspiration.
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FYI.. this guy is NOT on roids!! his story is famous!! it shows his sheer dedication and again validates the fact that body builders are made in the kitchen!
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WARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMg, he's natural!! OMG OMG!!!!! woohooooo.............if ur wondering why the hell am i so excited, it's cuz i told my friend, this guy is natural. he never believed it, he kept saying the human body cannot achieve such strength and size without steroids. Never.
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hey pizza,

you forgot to log out from the labs PC.BTW, I'm gsdfan.


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kacau siak.....

hahaah

Front Squats
70lbs x 5
90lbs x 5
110lbs x 5
110lbs x 5

Incline Bench

70lbs x5
85lbs x5
100lbs x5
115lbs x5

deadlift
125lbs x5
150lbs x5
177lbs x5
200lbs x 1 (totally fvcked rep cuz the weight plates were unbalanced)

4 sets sit-ups

3 sets x 10 reps pull-ups. (according to the routine, it's okay to add compound excercises)

feeling, terrible on d' deadlift. My form is shitty.....gotta recheck that and lower the weights maybe
squats was all the way ATG and benches was fine. Defintieyl above on my nipple. Felt good, pull-ups was easy until the end of the 3rd set. Didn't hold myself on top, just let go.

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y were the weights unbalanced?!?! if it's too heavy for u to lift of with proper form, then i suggest lowering it.. if not u're looking for trouble in the future..

and onthe front squat, do u use a clean grip?? or a crossed arm position?
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It's not too heavy to lift, the weights ARE unbalanced. It' was only 170lbs
We just don't know which weights are unbalanced, cuz the four 45lbs plates, only 2 are really 45lbs. The other 2 is slightly lighter.

Are stupidly, the real 45lbs ones, aren't even of the same brand. So there's like no way we can identify, it's just a trial-and-error way to find the correct plates.

And oh, cross arm for front squat. Anything with it?


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on the deads.. try to get the same weight.. as an imbalanced bar might lead to injuries.. if not pls complain to the gym owner or switch gyms..

cross arm front squat is fine as long as u're fine with it.. have u tried the clean grip? as in olympic style.. they're more stable IMO.. they don't roll around..
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It's the campus gym, so yeah maybe i'll try finding them guys that are suppose to take care of the gym. Silly ass weights....

Only the 45lbs plates are that f'ked up. I'd use the 35lbs plates, but as they're smaller in diameter, I've to lower myself more to touch the ground. As if deadlifts with squats aren't bad enough~

Clean grip huh...yeah, I cud give it a try. I'll probabbly be tempted to throw the weights over my head to complete the "look" tongue.gif tongue.gif

Oh and last week, I had this clown telling me this;

"Hey you should use these plates, to give your heels a slight elevation. Then you can work your calves. And dont' go past parallel, you'll strain your knee"

Guess how much I felt like laughing at him. I think I will the next time. hahahaha...
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just give him the blank look like he's from another planet and u have no idea what in the world he's talking about!!

haha!!
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Squat
74x5
92x5
111x5
129x5
151x8
111x3

Bench
70x5
87x5
104x5
122x5
143x3
104x8

Row

55x5
69x5
83x5
97x5
113x3
83x8

Dips
10KG x 10
15KG x 10
20KG x 8 (dumbell slipped off)

Tricep Extension

20KG x 8
25KG x 6
25KG x 8 (+2 was totally helped by friend)

Bicep curl

20LBS + 45LBS bar x 10 reps
20LBS + 45LBS bar x 10 reps
20LBS + 45LBS bar x 10 reps

Ridiculiously painful tired biceps afterwards. Urgh, biceps are weak as shit.

Did them most without much ado. I think I can go heavier on squats, however my back wasn't so cooperative. Had to cheat about 3 final reps. Felt pretty good.

Had a can of tuna, a small piece of steak and another piece of chicken. About 8oz of chicken. Pretty good.
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Week 3 [Day 1]

hahah make big big
Squat
76
95
113
132
151

Bench
71
89
107
125
143 (I did 3 reps myself, final 2 had a lil help frm friend)

Row
57
71
85
99
113

2 sets of weighted (45lbs)back extensions
2 sets (6 reps) of "The Flag" created by Bruce lee
1 set of leg lifts (10 reps)
3 sets of 10 reps of close grip chin-ups.

As far as I have read, it's okay to do dips or chin-ups as accesorry work. So I did them. Benches was a little difficult. Squats are still easy. Rows, on the final set needed me to use a lil body help. Couldn't acclerate the weights.

I felt that it was a normal workout. I didn't feel extra good or anything. I think I'll be doin a lil cardio tmr. Gettin a lil flabby.

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what is "the flag"?
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yeah.. wth is the flag??!!
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Starting Position.

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Final position.

You're supposed to lift your back off the bench, and lie on your shoulder blades.
Your knees should be straight too btw...but I couldn't do it. It's like an even more difficult version of carlsuen's "decline situps" hahaha

It's really, harder than you think.
I had to bend my knees at the final position, else I probabbly couldn't have went up back.
It did however, give my upper abs a tremendous workout.

My lats feel uneven. The right lats feel larger....hehe, weird~ Will continue doing pull-ups. Now training my pinch grips. Heavy......

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omg! they look crazy! salute man! haha!

pizzaboy.. i noticed something.. why are your weights lighter now? like only 151? i tot u were squatting 80-90+kg?

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are you seriously did that in mmu gym? I bet those boys look at you at one kind. LOL!
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OMG!!! Monster!!! *STARE* blink.gif ohmy.gif

there's no way I'll manage to do that... not strong enough yet tongue.gif going into the 1st position already almost impossible for me already, not to mention to finish the routine laugh.gif

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QUOTE(carlsuen @ Sep 19 2006, 11:09 AM)
omg! they look crazy! salute man! haha!

pizzaboy.. i noticed something.. why are your weights lighter now? like only 151? i tot u were squatting 80-90+kg?
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I am....but this is only the third week of the programme. The fifth week, then it'll go heavier right? And also, the weights input for squats, aren't reallly my maximum because i'm not sure myself of my maximum squats.
And the programme said, "rather than screw yourself by putting more weights than you can handle, take the lighter weights and still develop, albeit slower"

so that's what I am doin, I lowered the number written for the max weight. Slow and steady la....no rush, not say competing or what.

QUOTE(iDk @ Sep 19 2006, 12:11 PM)
are you seriously did that in mmu gym? I bet those boys look at you at one kind. LOL!
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Not really lah, but got also la. my friend said they all stared.....annen one fool tried. He tried to keep his legs completely straight withotu bending the knee at all.
hahaha, the bench shook and he fell...did he really think it was easy?



QUOTE(greyshadow @ Sep 19 2006, 12:17 PM)
OMG!!! Monster!!! *STARE*  blink.gif  ohmy.gif

there's no way I'll manage to do that... not strong enough yet tongue.gif  going into the 1st position already almost impossible for me already, not to mention to finish the routine laugh.gif
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Well bro, you're bigger sized mah....bruce lee was damn small sized, I'm also damn small sized, it's easier. I tink with training, might be able la....but still us lighter clowns will definitely get it easier.
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oh! i didn't know u were on week 3 only.. see.. that's y i told u to label your workouts with weeks and days.. so to avoid confusion.. but nothing happened..
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Week 3 Day 2 [Wednesday]

Deadlift

100lbs+45lbs bar
120lbs+45lbs bar
141lbs+45lbs bar
161lbs+45lbs bar


Benchpress


85+45lbs bar
102+45lbs bar
119+45lbs bar
137+45lbs bar


Squats


76+45lbs bar
95+45lbs bar
113+45lbs bar
113+45lbs bar

Deadlifting was incredibly easy and with perfect form. I just blasted through 4 sets like it was a pie.
Probabbly because I did it first, before squats and benchpresses. I did benchpresses afterwards, but it was quite damn difficult because of the abdominal excercises I did on Monday. "The Flag" isn't a joke at all.

My squats, were quite difficult I must admit, especially with my abs hurting. Pretty bad.

I was unable to do any other accesorry excercises, like sit-ups, so I thought "if no sit-ups, then back extensions lah" still the core .....so what teh heck.....

i tried doin chins, my abs killed....so yeah, abs.....no joke.
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ok ok ok!! i get the msg! god! u don't HAVE to write them in BOLD and HUGE font!

lol..

i just noticed, why aren't u doing any form of overhead pressing(OHP)?
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OKAY.....now i'm lost!

but you said i'd get a burnout if i did overhead presses??
so i quit overhead presses.

i could add them on wednesdays...

btw, i added big caps just for the fun tongue.gif

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eh.. when did i say that?

oh.. u mean when u first started and i told u not to add right? cuz on that day it wasn't supposed to be there.. it's supposed to be on the 2nd day.. on deadlift day.. so sub the inclines for OHP and you'll be fine..

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"oh ya.. get rid of the tri extention and DB overhead press.. you'll burn yourself out before week 5.. trust me.. the volume will be enough to kick your ass in week 6.. ask darklight, he's having trouble now.."

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=ST&f...dpost&p=8364803


So wait, I can do it lah? Just do it on other days...like wednesday?
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re-edited my post..
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oh...
darn, i like the inclines......oh well then...

i suppose i can't do the 3 main workouts, then add overhead presses and ab workouts as accesorry worK?
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well.. one push variance is enough actually.. if u really love it that much.. it's ok also actually.. maybe u can alternate them every week? one week OHP, next week incline and repeat? and of cuz u won't be pushing the poundages on that particular lift la.. but it's up to u of cuz.. and it's ok to only do nclines too.. i was just asking u that's it..
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Week 3, Day 3. Friday

Squat
100x5
120x5
145x5
170x5
200x3
145x8 (Phew...8 reps is hard)

Benchpress

90x5
115x5
140x5
160x5
190x3
140x8

Row

80x5
100x5
120x5
140x5
160x3 (3rd rep I bent my back, so it was a cheat)
120x8

Weighted Dips

20KG+bodyweight x 6
20KG+bodyweight x 6
Bodyweight x 12

Bicep Curls
65LBS x 10
65LBS X 10
85LBS X 6

Tricep Extensions

I only used 5lbs dumbells because my abs were hurting. And if I did them lying down or standing up, it'll hurt really bad.

Overall, it was pretty good. I'm starting to feel that the heaviest set is the easiest. The 8 rep set, is pretty difficult, as I'd be pretty worn out by then. I still can't really get the rows form right. I dont' feel it stressing the back, so I'm really wondering if my movement is correct. No worries, I'll find out real soon
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Weights are with the bar included. Bar weight, 45LBS.


Squat
100lbsx5
125lbsx5
150lbsx5
175lbsx5
200lbsx5

Bench

95lbsx5
120lbsx5
140lbsx5
165lbsx5
190lbsx5 (Up to the 3rd rep, then I needed help. Terribly difficult)

Row

80lbsx5
100lbsx5
120lbsx5
140lbsx5 (Got extremely hard here, so I switched to a Yates Row)
160lbsx5 (Also using a Yates Row)

Weighted Extensions, 30lbs x 10 x 2 sets
Weighted Sit-ups, 20lbs plate x 10 x 2 sets. Each rep, using 5 seconds to hold.

Overall, terrible workout. I didn't feel good at all, I felt sleepy and tired when I headed for the gym. Yeah, I can thank the fact that I went for badminton earlier and played for about 2 hours.


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lol.. so much better and easier to read your workouts man..

get your priorities straight man.. it's the first day of the week and u already screwed up on bench and rows.. retain this weight next week and make sure u get all the reps..
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Badminton with friends VS Weightlifting......
hm....obvious choice la, badminton!

hahah, must have social fun mah....anyway, next time i'll remind them to set badminton on saturday or sunday.

and yeah, i'm plannin to retain the weight next week. Won't go up first.
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priorities can be both.. it's all about time management..
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Week 4, Day 2 [Wednesday]

Squat
100x5
125x5
150x5
150x5

Deadlift

140x5
170x5
195x5
220x5


Incline Benchpress

120x5
145x5
170x5
195x5[cool.gif

I switched benchpress after deadlift, as I'm always very tired if I do benchpresses first. Overall, it all felt fine.

Squats was unusually easy.
Deadlifts was slightly more difficult than last week, where I put deadlifts first.
Benchpresses were moderate, and on the last set, 5th rep, I lowered it too fast and bounced it up. I did it again though.

Did 3 sets of abdominal excercises, and 3 sets of pull-ups. Felt pretty okay, just a bit lazy and tired when I got into the gym. Darned examinations....

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wow.. ur bench is pretty strong man.. i suck like hell.. no bench or ilitart press for mw for at least another few weeks..
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why cannot do??

i think the bench is setup really low so it's easy la......but it is still an incline. hahaha, if setup one click higher, then it's already a shoulder movement.
btw, i didn't put that stupid sunglasses emotiocon, hahaha somehow it appeaared. Oso dono how.


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lol@ the sunglass emoticon..

i have a minor pain in my delts/shoulder/rotator cuff area.. proves u didn't read my log.. lol.. jk..

so the chiro told me to lay off any pressing movements which i agree too.. it's been almost 3 weeks since i did any bench or military.. my left shoulder has always been weak.. sigh..
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hey i read ur log la
ur doin box squattin nw ma....and i also read ur posts in elitefitness.com
and u said ur chiro u think u wana change d'fler. RM70 each treatment.
I got read 1, i jus duno how to comment.
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Week 4 Day 3 [Friday]
Squat
100x5
125x5
150x5
175x5
200x3
150x8 (painful, painful reps...)

Benchpress
95x5
120x5
140x5
165x5
190x3
140x8


Barbell Row

80x5
100x5
120x5
140x3
160x3
120x8

Bodyweight dips 3x12
Tricep extensions 44LBSx3x8
Bicep curls 60lbs x 3 x 8

"Back burn, back burn" That was really all taht was in my head when i did those rows. The squats were tiring, really tiring. Squats was pretty heavy as well, and benches were heavy, but it was all do'able. I think I will maintain this week, for next week. Been a bad week.

Since it was the last day for the campus gym (i use the university's gym), they had this "posing" thing. I might post pics if I can get some. =D
I look, really skinny.
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hey, I don't think it's the gym's last day. the gym's closing for examm week only and it'll be opened during break.

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erh.....yea....
it's memang lidat 1 la
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y do u wanna retain last week? if everything is going smoothly, then don't mess with it.. it's a good sign.. just make sure u have enough complex carbs pre w/o and ur shake to go with and u'll be owning those iron!!

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of course i am, but this week i got exams and i really can't risk it
i can't go workout, might get too tired for exams.

so this week, i'll be doin pull-ups and push-ups daily, until next week. Then I can start to train again.
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oic.. sry.. didn't know u had exams.. then this wouldn't hurt.. i tot is was fear playing in your mind.. smile.gif good luck in your exams!!

edit : crap.. it's me carl.. logged in as my bro.. sleep.gif

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buwahahaha
you keep doing that ah?
hahaha, twice adi u used ur bro acc
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nomally i post from work.. haha! at nights i post from home.. so my bro logged in b4 ma.. so that's y lo.. biggrin.gif
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this feels lik shiet..........a whole week of no weightlifting and next week also duno gym bukak anot...nearly 2 weeks man. I wonder if i'm losing strength while typing this....

pull sumore!!
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lol.. i'm worse then.. a month of no lifting for me.. only BW stuff and light cardio.. hehe.. don't worry la.. as long as u eat up, all will be fine.. strength will bound to go down.. but thank god for muscle memory, when u go back in, ,u'll be back in shape in no time..
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QUOTE(carlsuen @ Oct 4 2006, 04:23 PM)
lol.. i'm worse then.. a month of no lifting for me.. only BW stuff and light cardio.. hehe.. don't worry la.. as long as u eat up, all will be fine.. strength will bound to go down.. but thank god for muscle memory, when u go back in, ,u'll be back in shape in no time..
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I've come back many many times after a lay off much much stronger. It's recommended for every 10 weeks of intense training, you need one week off.

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Week 3 (Reset cuz of a 2 week break)

Squat
100lbsx5
120lbsx5
145lbsx5
170lbsx5
195lbsx5

Bench
90lbsx5
115lbsx5
140lbsx5
160lbsx5
180lbsx4 (Friend touched the bar on final rep)

Row
80lbsx5
100lbsx5
120lbsx5
140lbsx5 (Start of sloppy jerks)
155lbsx3 (last 2 reps, really jerk)

2x10x85lbs Good mornings (I cudn't do hyperextensions,cuz the "thing" was taken away... so I tried this)

Weighted Sit-ups with 35lbs plate x 4 sets x 8 reps

Military Presses

95lbsx10x3 sets

Monday workout, felt great to be back in the gym. All the weights felt heavier, but that's expected.

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Squat
95lbsx5
120lbsx5
155lbsx5
155lbsx5

Deadlift
135lbsx5
160lbsx5
190lbsx5
215lbsx5

Incline Benchpress
120lbsx5
140lbsx5
165lbsx5
190lbsx4 (Final rep, friend again touched the bar......)

Benchpresses were slightly difficult, often on the 3rd rep, I'd have to take a short pause, and press really hard for the 4th rep and the 5th rep will be a killer.
Squats was tiring, but nothing I cudn't handle.
Deadlifts, felt really quite easy, especially when I deload after each rep. Cool biggrin.gif
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This is absolubtly fvcked up. Terribly. The gym was closed during hari raya and deepavali leaving me workout'less for the past week. Blech! All I had to keep me company was push-ups and sit-ups and all that funny excercises.
Anyway, for today. I used the week 3 template again. I'm really screwing it up. GRR!!Week 3 [Wednesday]

Squat
95lbsx5
120lbsx5
155lbsx5
155lbsx5

Deadlift

135lbsx5
160lbsx5
190lbsx5
215lbsx5
Incline Benchpress

120lbsx5
140lbsx5
165lbsx5
190lbsx5

Dips x 20 x 3 sets
Pull-Ups x 10 x 3 sets
Knuckle Push-ups x 50 x 1 set

Pushed through it all like it was pie. Whee!! This is ez peasy, hope it continues.
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This is absolubtly fvcked up. Terribly. The gym was closed during hari raya and deepavali leaving me workout'less for the past week. Blech! All I had to keep me company was push-ups and sit-ups and all that funny excercises.
Anyway, for today. I used the week 3 template again. I'm really screwing it up. GRR!!Week 3 [Wednesday]

Squat
95lbsx5
120lbsx5
155lbsx5
155lbsx5

Deadlift

135lbsx5
160lbsx5
190lbsx5
215lbsx5
Incline Benchpress

120lbsx5
140lbsx5
165lbsx5
190lbsx5

Dips x 20 x 3 sets
Pull-Ups x 10 x 3 sets
Knuckle Push-ups x 50 x 1 set

Pushed through it all like it was pie. Whee!! This is ez peasy, hope it continues.
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yeap.. get creative.. anything to keep strength.. but anyway treat it as a rest week.. hehe... ur not making PRs yet so dun worry..

u got tonnes of potential dude.. keep it up..
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thx carlsuen for constantly keepin up with me, I really really appreciate it.

gas tank? hahaha, for wat? Bicep curls? nah....i don't do those excercises yet. I'm doing daily pull-ups, sit-ups and press-ups. It's doin me good. I dono about spot reduction, but i feel firmer la........now i sound like a woman with saggy boobs tongue.gif
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thx carlsuen for constantly keepin up with me, I really really appreciate it.

gas tank? hahaha, for wat? Bicep curls? nah....i don't do those excercises yet. I'm doing daily pull-ups, sit-ups and press-ups. It's doin me good. I dono about spot reduction, but i feel firmer la........now i sound like a woman with saggy boobs tongue.gif
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mine are saggy....yet to be firm! cry.gif

doing like 3x20 pushups every night...
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Try not counting the reps to your push-ups. Just keep doing going on and on and on, when u get tired, remind yourself, it's just a up down movement.....look at your forearms, look at your knuckles, look at anypart of your body that u can look at and just put the concentration somewhere else.

push-ups, HAS a place in bodybuilding despite what others feel. Even arnold said something about doing millions of push-ups and never having to pay a cent to do push-ups.
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thx carlsuen for constantly keepin up with me, I really really appreciate it.

gas tank? hahaha, for wat? Bicep curls? nah....i don't do those excercises yet. I'm doing daily pull-ups, sit-ups and press-ups. It's doin me good. I dono about spot reduction, but i feel firmer la........now i sound like a woman with saggy boobs tongue.gif
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Gas tank for military press, deadlifts and maybe squats, but I think it would be difficult to balance squatting with a tank...hahaha
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100lbsx5
125lbsx5
150lbsx5
170lbsx5
200lbsx5
Benchpress
95lbsx5
120lbsx5
140lbsx5
170lbsx5
190lbsx5 (I learnt how to use leg drive, so it's pretty light)
220lbsx2 (I just wanted to try)
Rows
80lbsx5
100lbsx5
120lbsx5
140lbsx5
160lbsx5

Bodyweight dips x 3 sets x 12-15 reps
Bodyweight pull-ups x 2 sets x 10 reps

Felt....easy, even rows was considerably easy. THe pull-ups was difficult. I'm ready to go back to the 4th week plan. biggrin.gif
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try taking more vids of ur lifts.. like ur bench and squat.. i'm really interested to see the way u lift..
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Yokie. Been intending to do that anyway, always felt that my squat form might be off.
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WEEK 5 [WEDNESDAY]

Squat
125LBSX5
140LBSX5
160LBSX5
160LBSX5
Deadlift
185LBSX5
205LBSX5
235LBSX5
260LBSX3
Benchpress
120LBSX5
135LBSX5
150LBSX5
170LBSX5

The deadlifts, were freaking INSANE. The 260lbs was difficult as heck. Bleah.....the others were easy as pie. Just deadlifts killin me. The damnned bar scrapes the flesh off my shins......it hurts too. Bleah.....
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What is ur weight now ??? Pizzaboy ??

72 kg??
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yeah, still 72KG.
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nice deadlifting.. bloody hell.. sooner or later, u guys gonna be damn strong.. haha!!
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Week 5 [Wednesday]

Squat
130LBSx5
145LBSX5
165LBSX5
165LBSX5

DEADLIFT
165LBSX5
185LBSX5
205LBSX5
225LBSX5

INCLINE BENCHPRESS
135LBSX5
155LBSX5
170LBSX5
185LBSX5

Sit-ups.

If you're wondering why the deads went down so much this week, it's because........................... I misread the weights, or rather my brother mis'sms'ed the weights to me.That's why I was wondering why is the deads so much of a jump all of a sudden.
Anyway, deadlifts went up smooth and easy this time. Next time I hit 265LBS, I hope it isn't like how it felt last week.

Overall felt really nice and ez. Quick workout too. 50 minutes.

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SQUAT
125LBSX5
145LBSX5
165LBSX5
180LBSX5
206LBSX3
165LBSX8
BENCHPRESS
120LBSX5
135LBSX5
150LBSX5
170LBSX5
195LBSX3
15LBSX8
ROWS
105LBSX5
120LBSX5
135LBSX5
150LBSX5
170LBSX3
140LBSX8

Trained with darklight today, felt good, i guess. Felt different. Apparently, my squat form is fine, my benchpress form is fine (cept for a lil too fast lockout) and my rows, still suck in form. Gotta continue training it. Another 3 more weeks, and I'm redoin this routine.

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Week 6 [Friday]

SQUAT
125LBSX5
145LBSX5
165LBSX5
180LBSX5
206LBSX3
165LBSX8
BENCHPRESS
120LBSX5
135LBSX5
150LBSX5
170LBSX5
195LBSX3
15LBSX8
ROWS
105LBSX5
120LBSX5
135LBSX5
150LBSX5
170LBSX3
140LBSX8

Trained with darklight today, felt good, i guess. Felt different. Apparently, my squat form is fine, my benchpress form is fine (cept for a lil too fast lockout) and my rows, still suck in form. Gotta continue training it. Another 3 more weeks, and I'm redoin this routine.
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Great numbers you got there on your workout bro. You did mostly everything yourself. I just helped you out with a few tweaks to your workout and diet and you busted through your plateaus.

Pretty much enjoyed training at your gym though, smaller than mine but way, way, way better equipped. Btw, my fukkin hamstrings hurt like a b!tch.
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Hi pizzaboy is this ur own made routine? Its almost similiar to 3x5 rippetoe but theres benche press twice and no standing military press.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 25 2006, 11:30 AM)
Great numbers you got there on your workout bro. You did mostly everything yourself. I just helped you out with a few tweaks to your workout and diet and you busted through your plateaus.

Pretty much enjoyed training at your gym though, smaller than mine but way, way, way better equipped. Btw, my fukkin hamstrings hurt like a b!tch.
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Thanks a mill bro. I needed the lil help. I'm doin okay I guess, I'll see what happens on Monday. Week 7, freaky already.

QUOTE(f1br3opt1c @ Nov 26 2006, 09:40 AM)
Hi pizzaboy is this ur own made routine? Its almost similiar to 3x5 rippetoe but theres benche press twice and no standing military press.
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Nope, it's the madcow's variation of,IINM, Bill Starr's 5x5. It's real good, however on week six it's taxing me bad.
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Thanks a mill bro. I needed the lil help. I'm doin okay I guess, I'll see what happens on Monday. Week 7, freaky already.
Nope, it's the madcow's variation of,IINM, Bill Starr's 5x5. It's real good, however on week six it's taxing me bad.
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No worries. Like i said, i think you can milk out the cycle for another 2 weeks, i don't think 3 weeks is possible but we'll see. The most important thing now is your bench this coming Monday. Let me know how it goes then we can see what to do from there. If you can achieve 5 reps with last Fri's PR weight, it's all good. Just make sure you have a spotter there at hand don't ask him NOT to touch the goddamn bar unless you start screaming for help. Lol.

That's what i always tell the guys in my gym. Some of them are too overly enthusiastic that they feel the need to help me pull the bar even though i just tell them to stand there and don't fukkin touch the goddamn bar unless i'm dying!
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hey pizza...

can show ur abs pic to us?...body lar..no nid ur face...k?
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he's already done that b4....try to dig a thread named "The b4 and after me pic"



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okay, I'm done with this system....

Changing to something else. I've got HST in my mind. Anyway, juiced enough out of it. Got my lifts up to over 240x2 for squats and 210x4 benches. Deads are at 270 which sucks....but i'm gonna give it a break for a while. It's killing me
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take a break.. it's healthy.. but no reason to switch programs man.. give it another go after your break.. you'll come back stronger..
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take a break.. it's healthy.. but no reason to switch programs man.. give it another go after your break.. you'll come back stronger..
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If he wants to try HST, it may be a pretty good idea. The 5 x 5 has already given him a pretty solid strength gain. If he uses those strength gains for a higher rep hypertrophy focused program, it might work for him.

Personal preference i guess. For me, i customized my 5 x 5 and am making solid strength gains, maybe he might need something different.

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Good lord, HST is helluva confusing.....and I don't think I'm smart enough to use it yet. I think I'll try a customised 5x5 system as well, just need you guys to help me check it up.

A few questions though, is it all right to have 4 main excercises? Like, I was thinking this;

Monday

Squats-5x5
Benchpress - 5x5
Rows 5x5
Overhead press - 3x5

Wednesday

Squats 4x5
Incline Benchpress 4x5
SLDL 4x5
Pull-ups 4x8

Friday

Benchpress 6x5
Olympic Clean 3x3
Rows 6x5
Side lateral raises 8x3

It's going to be like.....Monday, PR day, so obviously heavier than last week, Wednesday, speed day, lighter slightly (is that wat it's called??) and Friday, like repeat the same weights as Monday.

Is that goin to work?

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I would suggest you do incline benching on Fridays, move the overhead press to Wednesdays and flat bench press on mondays. The side lateral raises are not meant for reps of 3 as they are an isolation exercise and are not suitable for strength attempts but more suitable for high reps. I'd go for a 3 x 10 for those. Do them on the same day as military presses.
And as for rows and pull ups, it's a matter of preference. You found rows weird when i trained with you few weeks ago right? You might opt to do vertical pulling more than once a week but that's your choice.
Your rep ranges are all very low, which of course is no problem but you might want to consider adding in an RE (Repetitive Effort) day for one of your workouts, something like 3 x 8, or 3 x 10, or 4 x 10 or whatever you prefer. It's good to get the hypertrophy beneifts of high rep ranges if you know what i mean.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 7 2006, 06:17 PM)
I would suggest you do incline benching on Fridays, move the overhead press to Wednesdays and flat bench press on mondays. The side lateral raises are not meant for reps of 3 as they are an isolation exercise and are not suitable for strength attempts but more suitable for high reps. I'd go for a 3 x 10 for those. Do them on the same day as military presses.
And as for rows and pull ups, it's a matter of preference. You found rows weird when i trained with you few weeks ago right? You might opt to do vertical pulling more than once a week but that's your choice.
Your rep ranges are all very low, which of course is no problem but you might want to consider adding in an RE (Repetitive Effort) day for one of your workouts, something like 3 x 8, or 3 x 10, or 4 x 10 or whatever you prefer. It's good to get the hypertrophy beneifts of high rep ranges if you know what i mean.
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ehhhhh???
terbalik i mean 3x8 haha, duno how come that one i slipped it upside down.
thx anyway, i'll put in RE day.....i duno when yet, i'll dcide later
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careful on the clean as always.. it is a hard lift.. try to study the gayle hatch video as much as u can.. they are quite detailed..
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Freakin hell......there's been no developtment.

sickening.....
duno, just post tricep pic...


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ok ma.. just continue to up your PRs and keep eating.. and compare improvements by the measuring tape..
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Freakin hell......there's been no developtment.

sickening.....
duno, just post tricep pic...
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nice tris BTW


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Changed to the "Advance 5x5 Madcow" version. The intermediate one seems to be givin no effects


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nice thread. I've learned new things just by reading the conversations here.

Something earlier caught my attention. I agree, the usual taekwondo training is not suitable for outside freestylye fights.
1. we train barefooted. You're usually in shoes when your outside. the supporting leg on the ground has to adjust to the difference. gals in platform shoes even worse.
2. we train kicking high. Hey, high kicks showoff your very vulnerable private spot.
3. Not balanced.Too much emphasis on kicks and lacks in other areas.

1 question that's been on my mind. I know that gaining muscles to a certain extent will increase my speed and reduce fatigue in kicks, punches, since i have more muscles to generate the speed and share the workload.

But you guys in your great solid bulk feel slower? as if the muscles are now more of a burden than an advantage? I believe bruce lee maintained a very lean body because of his emphasis on speed. F=MA. So he upped his acceleration.

Thanks.

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not necessary. u can be bulk and very fast at the same time. look at muhamad ali. float like a butterfly sting like a bee. he is fast. its all about training
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pizza boy.. it's not wise to change to the dual factor so fast.. u've been training on the intermediate one for what? less than 1 year? and u give up so fast? it's not about changing programs that will miraculously help u advance and improve man.. it's all about your intensity in your training.. your diet(eat MORE!! 6 meals a day) getting enough rest(8 hours minimum pls).. did u pass all the requirements i stated above? if u don't then u better go back and review what u've been doing..

the 5x5 is more of a principle of training.. where u add weight to the bar progressively.. thus u improve in the long run.. normally u'll wear out within 10-12 weeks of heavy loading... then u'll need a normal deload and restart after 2 weeks.. and then u go from there again..

the advanced 5x5 is a method for seasoned lifters which have no way of progressing through weekly advances spanning 10+ weeks to put on a lil more weight on to the bar...

u've not been updating your log often.. so i don't know how to help u.. maybe if u could state your #s at the beginning and the end of your 5x5 and state the number of weeks u were on it.. plus can u also guarantee u've been eating enough to fuel yourself and help u progress?

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I take six meals a day alrightey, dun worri. 3000 cals -3500 cals a day. For P/C/F i take it in 50/35/15. Pretty much like that all day.

And I sleep for 6-7 hours. I can't get myself to sleep so long, my brain just wants to get up.

And I can't find Madcow being intense. It's not, to be frank a very intense workout system...I can shorten the breaks though. Let's see.
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QUOTE(pizzaboy @ Jan 19 2007, 10:51 AM)
I take six meals a day alrightey, dun worri. 3000 cals -3500 cals a day. For P/C/F i take it in 50/35/15. Pretty much like that all day.

And I sleep for 6-7 hours. I can't get myself to sleep so long, my brain just wants to get up.

And I can't find Madcow being intense. It's not, to be frank a very intense workout system...I can shorten the breaks though. Let's see.
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What is ur diet ?? Can show in detail ??

U take brown rice instead of white rice ?? How it is possible to have FAT less than 15% of ur total food intake ?
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it's not EXACTLY 15%. Nothing is exactly in dieting, especially with our funny measurements that's not on standard with the micronutrient measurement sites. ANyway my diet's shown on the stickied thread. Do a search if u want to
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it's not EXACTLY 15%. Nothing is exactly in dieting, especially with our funny measurements that's not on standard with the micronutrient measurement sites. ANyway my diet's shown on the stickied thread. Do a search if u want to
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Already get it !!

Ur diet mainly consist of dairy products.... not cheap to follow biggrin.gif

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Okay, i'm using a new routine. Developed by a fellow bodybuilder and myself. I'm gonna see how it works. Will tell of the routine soon.

Current 1RPM:

Squat: 280LBS [127KG]
Dead: 300LBS [136KG]
Bench: 210LBS [95KG] (yes i know it's lagging badly behind)

I promise, this time I'll constantly update it. withotu missing days tongue.gif haha
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holy crap
i think we are the same weight
but u are way way stronger
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i'm 72KG. How heavy are you?

O yeah, u might wanna noe that my upper body is smaller than my lower body. It's been like that since i was a teenager, or at least i noticed it then. I saw my old pics and i looked like a stupid pear. Now I still do, but it's less noticeable.

Workin me shoudlers man woo!
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now dropped a bit 69 -70 kg
have to focus on reducing my waist
its like 34 inches man

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wow.. i'd like to see u bench 95kgs at your weight man.. i'm having troubles reaching 80kg dude.. post up a vid if u can..
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QUOTE(carlsuen @ Jan 29 2007, 07:38 PM)
wow.. i'd like to see u bench 95kgs at your weight man.. i'm having troubles reaching 80kg dude.. post up a vid if u can..
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I think i posted d rite previously?
I'll get darklight in the gym with me and get him to record and critique the form. Dah lamo tak jumpa....
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oh izzit? can post agin ah? haha.. i can't find it la.. can bump the thread?
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Benching a 100 is easy. It's like light repping for endurance. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 30 2007, 02:44 AM)
Benching a 100 is easy. It's like light repping for endurance.  tongue.gif
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NO it's not!!
IT's hard dude...mebbe i shud bump my chest to the first workout instead of the 2nd.

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Monsters!!!!
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Today's workout.

Deadlifts

135LBSx10
185LBSx8
235LBSx6
255LBSx5
275LBSx4
290LBSx2

Benchpress

135LBSx10
155LBSx10
175LBSx7
185LBSx5
190LBSx4

Bodyweight Pull-ups

4x8

Bodyweight Dips

10x4 (this is ridiculious, i need more weights)


Added on February 3, 2007, 12:39 pmSquat

135LBSX6
185LBSX6
225LBSX6
255LBSX5
275LBSX2 [Parallel, unable to complete ATG]
285LBSX1 [Parallel, unable to complete ATG]

Incline Bench

135lbsx8
155lbsx6
175lbsx5
185lbsx5
195lbsx4
205lbsx2

T-BAR Row

90lbsx8
125lbsx8
150lbsx7
140lbsx8
90lbsx8

Overhead Presses
3*10 [20KG dumbell each hand]

Bicep Curls
3x10 [10KG dumbell each hand]

Felt pretty good, ate a lot after that. Ate 3 meals after that, in fact. Hungryy!


Added on February 7, 2007, 12:12 pmSquat

135LBSX8
185LBSX6
225LBSX6
255LBSX5
275LBSX1 [the 2nd rep was parallel, so I don't count]

Decline Benchpress

135LBSx10
155LBSx10
175LBSx7
185LBSx5
190LBSx4
195LBSx2 (3rd rep assisted so not counted)

Barbell Row

115LBSx10
135LBSx10
145LBSx8
150LBSx5
160LBSx5

Lat Pulldowns

120LBSx3 setsx 10 reps

Bicep Curls

65lbs x 3 sets x 10 reps

Postworkout was, milk+tuna+bread. Then dinner was chicken and eggs.

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Deadlift

Deadlifts

135LBSx10
225LBSx8
245LBSx6
265LBSx5
285LBSx4
300LBSx1

Incline Benchpress

135LBSx10
155LBSx10
175LBSx7
185LBSx5
190LBSx4

Squats

135LBSX10
225LBSX8
225LBSX8
225LBSX6
135LBSX10

4x10 Dips
3x8 Pull-ups

Squats still goin up, I'm hoping to bring my squats to the same league as my deads. I know I can go there.
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hey can show ur pics ....i think u edi a monster lar...lolx... im just lifting 30kg maximum weights in free weight area...T_T
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erm...haha, no pics. Maybe after I hit 80KG and cut to 75KG then I'l post.
I will post a video la.....tmr's heavy bench day. I'll post a bench, squat (but not max la) and row video. Damn, the dudes are gonna be thinking "WTF, lagak....sikit jer nak pakai camera"

I've a lats problem. I don't have lats. tongue.gif

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wow, very huge triceps.. more pics!
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hey..where got pic?
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Mar 4 2007, 08:24 AM)
hey..where got pic?
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somewhere in this thread.
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wow i saw it on the 2nd page

great abs u have!!!
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I'm gonna stop posting here nw. Using another site d.

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