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 M Reits Version 6, Malaysia Real Estate Investment Trust

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post Apr 5 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 5 2014, 09:01 AM)
I plan to retire in 15 years time and is now accumulating income assets and reducing my liabilities. I like REITS because it allows me to buy property and get rental without having to borrow money from bank. And I also dont like dealing with tenants and agents.

I buy and keep and try to dollar cost average. I will sell only if price is very high or if I think something is wrong with the REIT.
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post Apr 7 2014, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 7 2014, 05:06 PM)
wishing axreit can come back 3.00-3.10 for me to start buying back.  laugh.gif
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U still keeping some? Or dumped all?

I really feel like dumping all...start to go nowhere now doh.gif
sometimes like today...zero traded doh.gif

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Apr 7 2014, 05:35 PM)
Is AXREIT becoming another YTLREIT  shocking.gif
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In the sense of? Stagnant/no volume? unsure.gif
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post Apr 8 2014, 09:34 AM

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see the spread between Buy and Sell for Axis now sweat.gif
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post Apr 9 2014, 04:13 PM

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IGBREIT is forgotten nowadays hmm.gif
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Apr 9 2014, 04:34 PM)
you got queue buying?
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I wanted 1.10 laugh.gif
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post Apr 18 2014, 09:46 AM

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Off-topic a bit...

What is the typical rental yield for a low-mid cost apartment?

Just curious for comparison...

Say, I buy a RM200K apartment... what is the annual rent that I can expect

VS

I invest RM200K in REIT(s)...the dividends that I expect

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post Apr 18 2014, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 18 2014, 10:19 AM)
the major difference is also,
those who invest 200k in apartment do it without forking up the physical 200K.
Maybe only less than 30% of the 200k. Balance 70% is BORRROWED MONEY.

whereas REIT.. u hv to fork up the physical 200k.

so, Property investment to me bit Hi-Risk, coz using LEVERAGE MONEY.

Depends also yr age group. if young, i would say go for the PROPERTY INVESTMENT using the
LEVERAGE MONEY as you can make YOUR MONEY WORK HARDER for you.
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I can also refinance my condo to invest in REITs tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2014, 10:16 AM)
at this time, low cost apt will give you 10-20% p.a. net if u are eligible to buy.
midcost apt, 8-12% pa. (condos 3-5% pa)

being a landlord comes with a full basket of costs n headaches - vacant periods, renovation costs, assessment/quit rent, tenant issues: rent delay, dun pay, utilites bill debt, prop destruction, runaway tenants, etc.

but there r people who enjoy dealing with all that, so a matter of if that is yr cup of tea. overall, more rewarding financially but you need to do some work, not like reits done so conveniently.
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I don't know much about properties...

I only know my friends' apartment/condo at Puchong area, selling price now about RM200K, rental/mth 1K-1.2K depending on furnishing provided by landlord
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2014, 10:30 AM)
worst case scenario:

condo prices fall
interest rates up
reit prices down

triple whammy! tongue.gif
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I could get erectile dysfunction from that mega_shok.gif

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post Apr 18 2014, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2014, 10:34 AM)
less maintenace fees/assessment and renov, net wud b 5-6% or so assuming tenancy all the time. about right for better apts/condos.
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Then why bother? Buy REITs better doh.gif
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 18 2014, 10:57 AM)
Some people like physical things, the investment is something they can see , touch and manage by their own.

if you ask me why, I don't know....maybe people feel safer in that way ?  icon_idea.gif
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u can go park at MidValley to "feel" your REIT laugh.gif

or u can touch the parking attendant brows.gif
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Apr 18 2014, 12:33 PM)
Parking attendant?!!! Guy wor!!!

Purposely go parking there just to "feel".. haha. Parking and stress of finding parking also eat up some percentage of the investment already..
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not malay mui meh? at the B1 parking payment there...I think I too long no go liao rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 18 2014, 12:51 PM)
reits and own prop for rental share the same essence - put yr money and get regular cash payments thru rental.
it's a soft selling point for reits - why bother with so much hassle when it can be done easily?
however, one is commercial and others manage for you; the other is residential, u deal with it directly.

i hv both. my results say at certain times with certain opportunities, prop inv is extremely rewarding, to the extent of 1000% roi over 2 yrs. can't get that with reits. however, do that at the wrong time, you bleed like hell with bank loans up to yr butt only to finally sell after an agonizing period of waiting n hoping - at a major loss. i've seen it all! tongue.gif

reits, u can dump/switch anytime, cut loss, watever...

from inv point of view, i say they r very different, one does not replace the other.
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 18 2014, 01:22 PM)
IGB? bwhahahah - "oversold" in terms of "best-est REIT in MY" by some folks lar.
U know which few i'm referring to right? heheh
Never met my filter requirements but Sabana did.
Sabana now.. sigh.. "only" 12.01%pa returns, inclusive of the DY of 7.98%pa so far. Was much better.

Sorry ar mod - topic mixed MReits & SReits & Properties  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(w19 @ Apr 18 2014, 01:29 PM)
1. Int up!
2. Stock price for reit sure drop!
3. Buy in after drop when its low!
4. Then you get better div yield!
5. I believe you know it!
6. Dont believe? Let see how!
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!!! !!! !!!

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post Apr 18 2014, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Apr 18 2014, 01:30 PM)
why shocking.gif ar bro? too low? too high?
7%pa+/- to 8%pa+/- net DY is my norm for SG REITs coz no tax mar.
SG-MY brokers' "service charges" for each donkey dividend payout or "rights issue execution" already factored in too.
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post Apr 18 2014, 02:57 PM

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What happened to the Singapore guy, Dividend Warrior? Blog also down sweat.gif

http://dividendsrichwarrior.blogspot.sg/
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QUOTE(tigana @ Apr 18 2014, 04:06 PM)
If you give more dividend than you actually earn, isn't that bad.
It will eat into their cash reserve - right?
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Earnings =/= cash receipts

U have depreciation, amortisations, provisions, etc that eat into earnings but does not eat into cash flows wink.gif
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QUOTE(tigana @ Apr 18 2014, 04:35 PM)
I see, but there's management fees, finance cost and taxes that has to be paid, and this cost a net income less than dividend distributed.

http://www.capitamallsmalaysia.com/financial_results.html

I just want to understand this better.
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E.g. IGBREIT is paying its REIT Manager fees with additional units.

If u know your accounting...

DR Manager fee
CR Share capital

U are issuing additional shares to the Manager as fee payment, no cash flow is involved.

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