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post Feb 3 2014, 10:21 AM, updated 12y ago

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You may have wondered why your latest 2014 model no longer comes with automatic door locks, a feature which is available in your daughter's Perodua Myvi, bought five years ago.

You may also have been told by your sales advisor that many new cars have had their automatic door lock feature deleted to comply with international safety regulations. As odd as it may sound, your sales advisor's explanation is correct.

Beyond that however, there is another 'real' reason behind the somewhat illogical sounding regulation. Before we explain that, first we need to explain a bit of background behind the change.

Background

In April 2006, Malaysia became a member country of the UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations (WP.29). As such, Malaysia is required to progressively adopt a set of minimum vehicle safety standards, before reaching full compliance by 2015.
The most noticeable change happened in 2013, when the UNECE regulation R94 and R95 pertaining to occupant protection in frontal and side collision was enforced. This typically surrounded the requirements of having dual front airbags, but is not necessarily the case for all cars. We have already covered this in an earlier article Clearing The Confusion On Airbag Fitment Regulations.

This is where the regulation can appear to be a bit illogical for the average Malaysian motorist, who has to deal with the high risks of a carjacking or robbery on a daily basis, and are taught to lock the doors the moment they get inside a car.

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...-t-come-with-it

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Vios got autolock or not? hmm.gif
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:29 AM

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conclusion is?
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Feb 3 2014, 10:29 AM)
conclusion is?
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lock your car doors manually
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QUOTE(maxpudding @ Feb 3 2014, 10:31 AM)
lock your car doors manually
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thats a safety standard requirement?
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:33 AM

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Unless the car have features to unlock itself upon collision, it is allowed to have autolock
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QUOTE(EternalC @ Feb 3 2014, 10:29 AM)
conclusion is?
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lock your car doors when stationary, unlock them when car is moving.
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:33 AM)
Unless the car have features to unlock itself upon collision, it is allowed to have autolock
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(EternalC @ Feb 3 2014, 10:33 AM)
thats a safety standard requirement?
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same like wearing a seatbelt

except for those automatic seatbelts la laugh.gif
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:33 AM)
Unless the car have features to unlock itself upon collision, it is allowed to have autolock
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IE, Cerato, Preve. brows.gif
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My 2006 smart forfour have this feature disabled by default. Only by referring to the service manual then only can activate back. My former 2007 Triton don't have this feature. Had to install one outside.
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:41 AM

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so when i:
1st start the engine
drive for a distance
the door autolock

is this the scenario? i found it to be useful...

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post Feb 3 2014, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 3 2014, 10:21 AM)
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You may have wondered why your latest 2014 model no longer comes with automatic door locks, a feature which is available in your daughter's Perodua Myvi, bought five years ago.

You may also have been told by your sales advisor that many new cars have had their automatic door lock feature deleted to comply with international safety regulations. As odd as it may sound, your sales advisor's explanation is correct.

Beyond that however, there is another 'real' reason behind the somewhat illogical sounding regulation. Before we explain that, first we need to explain a bit of background behind the change.

Background

In April 2006, Malaysia became a member country of the UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations (WP.29). As such, Malaysia is required to progressively adopt a set of minimum vehicle safety standards, before reaching full compliance by 2015.
The most noticeable change happened in 2013, when the UNECE regulation R94 and R95 pertaining to occupant protection in frontal and side collision was enforced. This typically surrounded the requirements of having dual front airbags, but is not necessarily the case for all cars. We have already covered this in an earlier article Clearing The Confusion On Airbag Fitment Regulations.

This is where the regulation can appear to be a bit illogical for the average Malaysian motorist, who has to deal with the high risks of a carjacking or robbery on a daily basis, and are taught to lock the doors the moment they get inside a car.

http://www.livelifedrive.com/malaysia/news...-t-come-with-it

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Vios got autolock or not?  hmm.gif
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I tot this feature was removed bcos some minister or Malaysian bigshot kept getting locked out of his/her own car due to auto lock feature and demanded the car manufacturers to do something about it?

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post Feb 3 2014, 10:44 AM

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Volkswagen ICRS (Intelligent Crash Response System) for example, will unlock all doors, activate hazard lights and disable the fuel pump once the seatbelt pretensioners  activate, or airbags are deployed. The feature is also available on the entry-level Polo Sedan and Polo hatchback.


I can see why the people are betting on VW Polos even after the horrendous feedback on VW MY fb page.
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QUOTE(ohnowhyme @ Feb 3 2014, 10:41 AM)
so when i:
1st start the engine
drive for a distance
the door autolock

is this the scenario? i found it to be useful...
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This feature is only allowed for new cars, if they have impact sensing unlock. Most new cars will not put this feature, because it will cost more for the BCM module, especially malaysian market. But our proton preve/suprima have auto lock and impact sensing door unlock feature.
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I remember last time my satria the central lock kong edi.gila susah.i have to open passenger door.then open my door.then if wanna open boot have to unlock somemore.haha those were the days
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Any proton model with bcm have impact sensing unlock
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QUOTE(Pedr0 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:47 AM)
I remember last time my satria the central lock kong edi.gila susah.i have to open passenger door.then open my door.then if wanna open boot have to unlock somemore.haha those were the days
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the perrenial problems of owning an old proton.

my dad's saga (the ye olde one) central locking keeps breaking down he doesn't bother fixing them now, and that was 10 years back. laugh.gif

(same wit the power windows. he had them changed to a wind up-down)
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QUOTE(EternalC @ Feb 3 2014, 10:29 AM)
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:50 AM)
Any proton model with bcm have impact sensing unlock
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BLM got? I know for sure exora, preve and suprima have.
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post Feb 3 2014, 10:58 AM

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I don't quite understand. So now they have removed the auto lock feature, how will it be safer for motorists? What will be the difference between auto lock and manual lock upon collision?
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:50 AM)
Any proton model with bcm have impact sensing unlock
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:58 AM)
I don't quite understand. So now they have removed the auto lock feature, how will it be safer for motorists? What will be the difference between auto lock and manual lock upon collision?
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It is matter of life and dead. If your car caught fire or accident, you can't come out on time with your blur or semi conscious. It also probably mechanism lock jam after accident. That the door can't be open.

So which is more important to you.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 3 2014, 10:53 AM)
BLM got?  I know for sure exora, preve and suprima have.
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Not sure about blm, i only know that exora preve and suprima have bcm
I think persona elegance also have hmm.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 3 2014, 11:15 AM)
It is matter of life and dead. If your car caught fire or accident, you can't come out on time with your blur or semi conscious. It also probably mechanism lock jam after accident. That the door can't be open.

So which is more important to you.
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But I can lock it myself.
So that beats the purpose afterall.
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My grandpa's ex 2005 Toyota Innova also last year after accident airbag deployed, it automatically switch off the engine and unlock the doors also what
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but if I'm not mistaken, preve comes with auto lock and auto unlock (when the car in a collision)... does that have to change as well?!?!
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There's a vehicle that you don't need to worry about locking/unlocking doors, automatically or manually.


It's called a motorcycle.
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QUOTE(s2peMocls @ Feb 3 2014, 12:25 PM)
There's a vehicle that you don't need to worry about locking/unlocking doors, automatically or manually.
It's called a motorcycle.
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Yeah. And you'd probably be dead. Lol
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 3 2014, 11:15 AM)
It is matter of life and dead. If your car caught fire or accident, you can't come out on time with your blur or semi conscious. It also probably mechanism lock jam after accident. That the door can't be open.

So which is more important to you.
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QUOTE(heavenly91 @ Feb 3 2014, 11:28 AM)
But I can lock it myself.
So that beats the purpose afterall.
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Exactly, this is what I meant. At the current state in Klang Valley, the first thing I do once I enter my car is to lock my doors.

It will still be a challenge to open up my doors during emergencies if I can't open it from inside, isn't it?

This post has been edited by vincent_ng86: Feb 3 2014, 05:02 PM
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QUOTE(jimmyktp @ Feb 3 2014, 02:07 PM)
Yeah. And you'd probably be dead. Lol
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Depends, some people survive bike accidents where if it were to happen with a car, the driver would be dead. E.g. falling into a ravine.
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 3 2014, 05:00 PM)
Exactly, this is what I meant. At the current state in Klang Valley, the first thing I do once I enter my car is to lock my doors.

It will still be a challenge to open up my doors during emergencies if I can't open it from inside, isn't it?
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My car don't have auto lock. And I drive for 7yrs without a habit of lock the door. It is a Japanese car.
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This was enforced in 2012....2 years late!

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post Feb 3 2014, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(cangkui @ Feb 3 2014, 12:11 PM)
but if I'm not mistaken, preve comes with auto lock and auto unlock (when the car in a collision)... does that have to change as well?!?!
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Preve are complied with regulations because of the auto unlock upon impact. Auto lock cannot be installed anymore unless you have auto unlock upon impact.
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 3 2014, 11:18 PM)
Preve are complied with regulations because of the auto unlock upon impact. Auto lock cannot be installed anymore unless you have auto unlock upon impact.
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If old Jepun Celup Toyota Innova also have auto unlock upon impact, newer jepun celups dont have ar?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 3 2014, 10:37 PM)
My car don't have auto lock. And I drive for 7yrs without a habit of lock the door. It is a Japanese car.
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So, do you mean that the auto locks are removed to discourage motorists from locking their doors?
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Feb 3 2014, 11:20 PM)
If old Jepun Celup Toyota Innova also have auto unlock upon impact, newer jepun celups dont have ar?
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 4 2014, 09:35 AM)
So, do you mean that the auto locks are removed to discourage motorists from locking their doors?
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Save cost. All new honda models also dont have it anymore since last year. B4 that can set autolock using Honda i-mid.
If not mistaken only KIA sell new models wt auto lock & auto unlock upon impact for all models.

The laws only said cannot have auto lock features wtout auto unlock upon impact (which usually brake base- auto lock).

This post has been edited by khusyairi: Feb 4 2014, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE(arza04 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:33 AM)
Unless the car have features to unlock itself upon collision, it is allowed to have autolock
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so new trend of robbery will be sitting in big car and do emergency brake so u ram into them and they then can open your door without effort?
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Feb 4 2014, 09:49 AM)
Save cost. All new honda models also dont have it anymore since last year. B4 that can set autolock using Honda i-mid.
If not mistaken only KIA sell new models wt auto lock & auto unlock upon impact.

The laws only said cannot have auto lock features wtout auto unlock upon impact (which usually brake base- auto lock).
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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 4 2014, 09:50 AM)
Proton pun ada bai.
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What I mean all models.
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 4 2014, 09:35 AM)
So, do you mean that the auto locks are removed to discourage motorists from locking their doors?
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No. You can have a centralize lock at the driver side. The driver can lock/unlock all 4door manually. Not auto. My car is using this function without an auto lock.

Auto lock put you and me in a lazy mode.
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Feb 4 2014, 09:49 AM)
Save cost. All new honda models also dont have it anymore since last year. B4 that can set autolock using Honda i-mid.
If not mistaken only KIA sell new models wt auto lock & auto unlock upon impact for all models.

The laws only said cannot have auto lock features wtout auto unlock upon impact (which usually brake base- auto lock).
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Not since last yrs. Like Honda civic, it don't have auto lock since 8yrs ago.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 4 2014, 10:44 AM)
Not since last yrs. Like Honda civic, it don't have auto lock since 8yrs ago.
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8 years ago not KIA new models.

I mean K5, Spotage, Sorento, Cerato etc..

If Honda. It do have auto lock for CBU models until last year.
Maybe what U said Civic made in malacca.

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Feb 4 2014, 09:50 AM)
so new trend of robbery will be sitting in big car and do emergency brake so u ram into them and they then can open your door without effort?
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That is not new trend, already happening since 2000 ... create accident, car owner come out, get rob
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QUOTE(ozak @ Feb 4 2014, 10:40 AM)
No. You can have a centralize lock at the driver side. The driver can lock/unlock all 4door manually. Not auto. My car is using this function without an auto lock.

Auto lock put you and me in a lazy mode.
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Ok, then this falls back to my original question, what is the difference if the door lock is locked by auto or manual? You stated removing auto lock will be more efficient for doors to be opened during emergencies or accidents.

If I locked my doors via manual/central lock, how does it provide advantage over auto lock in this case?
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QUOTE(khusyairi @ Feb 4 2014, 09:49 AM)
Save cost. All new honda models also dont have it anymore since last year. B4 that can set autolock using Honda i-mid.
If not mistaken only KIA sell new models wt auto lock & auto unlock upon impact for all models.

The laws only said cannot have auto lock features wtout auto unlock upon impact (which usually brake base- auto lock).
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This make sense. So the original regulation is to have auto unlock upon impact, to save on cost, manufacturers removed the original auto lock feature.
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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 3 2014, 10:58 AM)
I don't quite understand. So now they have removed the auto lock feature, how will it be safer for motorists? What will be the difference between auto lock and manual lock upon collision?
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if let say upon collision, everyone pengsan inside, no auto unlock upon collision, so ambulance come save u, but when arrive, cannot open door, window hard to break, or break liao risk of injuring ppl inside. then have to wait bomba come save ppl. this might be the logic.

autolock is an important safety features too, it's retard to say "hey, dont be lazy. u should lock the door urself becos H brand car dont implement it and local car implement it." just that what ppl are prioritizing in terms of safety, and local car still has autolock feature, with unlock upon collision rclxm9.gif

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if let say upon collision, everyone pengsan inside, no auto unlock upon collision, so ambulance come save u, but when arrive, cannot open door, window hard to break, or break liao risk of injuring ppl inside. then have to wait bomba come save ppl. this might be the logic.

autolock is an important safety features too, it's retard to say "hey, dont be lazy. u should lock the door urself becos H brand car dont implement it and local car implement it." just that what ppl are prioritizing in terms of safety, and local car still has autolock feature, with unlock upon collision  rclxm9.gif
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Yes, I understand the lock part where it will be difficult for others to save people inside a vehicle after collision.

The part I do not understand is how removing auto lock feature can make it easier for doors to be opened from outside. Friends/families and myself will manually lock out doors (as the auto lock feature has been removed) upon entering. Let's say any of us met an accident, auto lock or manual lock does not make any difference right?

My point is, stating the reason of safety - for removing the auto lock isn't reasonable.

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QUOTE(vincent_ng86 @ Feb 4 2014, 02:38 PM)
Yes, I understand the lock part where it will be difficult for others to save people inside a vehicle after collision.

The part I do not understand is how removing auto lock feature can make it easier for doors to be opened from outside. Friends/families and myself will manually lock out doors (as the auto lock feature has been removed) upon entering. Let's say any of us met an accident, auto lock or manual lock does not make any difference right?

My point is, stating the reason of safety - for removing the auto lock isn't reasonable.
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which mean, instead of removing auto lock function they should instead force all new car in Malaysia to be equip with auto unlock upon collision instead.

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QUOTE(death_nite @ Feb 4 2014, 02:43 PM)
which mean, instead of removing auto lock function they should instead force all new car in Malaysia to be equip with auto unlock upon collision instead.
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Exactly!

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