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quovadis123
post Feb 2 2014, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 10:54 PM)
I have worked in a food manufacturing company as a production engineer for 1 year. After a while I really felt this job isn't suitable for me. I like to do more technical stuff and work with electronic industry, never try never know right? Problem is I applied to many companies but haven't receive a single callback. Now I'm wasn't sure whether it's my poor grades or my poor resume or changing industry, but I want to fix my problem.
Can any sifu take a look at my resume and recommend correction? I really hope to work in Penang Island but if really no choice then I have to apply to KL.
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You apply through jobstreet only for new jobs? Do you search through newspapers?
Do you try Altera, Intel? I mean they have their webpage for vacancies.

Your current job details too short in my opinion.
You may refer this.

- Responsible for overall process engineering and product engineering.
- To sustain and improve process yield and quality.
- To take up cost reduction projects. (You may edit this)
- To determine the corrective actions related to process yield issue.
- To analyze evaluation and make conclusion.

Your "Solves >10 process abnormality and develop improvement for optimal performance & food safety ..." - improve how many % and how did it helps your company?
Achievements are important.

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:32 PM)
brightjoey,

Aha!!

A mechatronic graduate that is NOT AS GOOD as Electrical Engineering graduate want to join electronic industry.

WHY should they hire YOU when you know much less that a TYPICAL EE graduate in term of Electronic?? WHAT do you KNOW about Electronic industry to begin with??

YOU need to answer those questions in your resume.

As I had told people again and again, Mechatronic is a LOUSY DEGREE.

Dreamer
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 11:33 PM)
Ok Noted, noted. I did apply for Altera and Intel since they're big companies that had their own company job application. But never liked it since it encourages people to post a wall of text with little formatting. It clutters my resume into just words. Plus without a CGPA 3.0+ , I stand a abysmal chance in their eyes. So whenever possible I would apply directly through jobstreet.

The problem I had with job description is being specific. Sometimes I just do what my boss tells me to do and had no idea how much improvement it does show in calculations.

The "Solves >10 process abnormality...." Now that one is something that bounds to happens because of the poor condition of the plant, we have some idea on fixing it but the cost too damn high that the COO wouldn't approve the budget. So I had to "solve" it (taking short-cuts) when easily if we improve the plant condition it wouldn't be a problem. As for how many % honestly that % is going to be the same until the budget is approved.
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Dreamer is right. From your resume, I don't see anything like course that you learnt that support you to become software engineer.
Mechatronics definitely is not add any value too.

You should find back and try to compute your improvement. Do your company use Lean's Six Sigma?
Maybe those terms like JIT, kaizen, 5S, poka yoke etc may remind you.
I do feel like you disconnected from manufacturing after I read you resume.

What have you done in free time, company kaizen, etc using computer technology? Because if you like software etc, you will done something in your free time, or office time.
I give you another example for this,
-"You did an automation sending out daily report to every engineering bosses utilising tools you have in the company, using excel, vba, vbs, smtp email and sql."
-"You join and contributing to open-source e.g. certain linux, certain projects."
-"You got few certs from computer science, A.I etc from online courses or other sources."

Know programming is no use, even a 5 years old know it. You must show the passion why you like this kind of job.
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post Feb 3 2014, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 3 2014, 12:15 AM)
I'm currently learning enough excel programming to do things like automatic calculation or linking, I have noone else that I know in the company who can help refine these skills. Maybe if I switch departments I can get the relevant people, but isn't switching to the relevant industry better and also has better opportunities?
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Are you talking about VBA? What I know is VBA (Visual Basic for Application) which is coded at the back of a spreadsheet. It's can run as macro and other form.
Just read some books and use google, a lot of resources you can learn from. Trust me for this.

Please don't think your company can help you refine any skills. Every skills you need for the future, you have to learn it by yourself.
Just want to let you face the reality, you said you want to change to software, talk is cheap. You need to show what you done to the interviewer and your resume. (Dreamer mentioned this already)

Just want to ask you few simple questions, what do you think of your current resume?
Do you feel that you can survive in software engineering with your current skills?

In your current job, do you do report like using excel etc? maybe yield report, data mining etc?
Why do you work in your current job in the first place? Why you not pursue software engineering last time?

Edit: Chances are not given, is you create by your own.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Feb 3 2014, 01:36 AM
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post Feb 4 2014, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 4 2014, 01:03 AM)
Well, I would like to try, the last time I applied I gotten an offer from Pentamaster regarding a software position, albeit a lower pay. At the time, I wanted to gain a management row to improve on my social and leadership skills. I agree my resume is inferior compared to other capable people, which is why I don't ask for the same or even lesser pay.

Thx, I downloaded a few VBA programming guides off youtube, I wanna get around to it but progress is slow since I am busy with a full-time job + OT.
May I know which area in the resume I could still finetune? I would appreciate it very much. smile.gif
I did send my resume to a few friends, but that was before I actually learn the proper way in writing a resume. Maybe I could try that now.. Thanks I will do that. smile.gif
Solves >10 process abnormality that passes audits from Nestle, Mondelez and Mamee and develop improvement that reduces amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year for optimal performance & food safety.

Is that better? I switched around the words abit and added the "amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year"

I'm afraid that sentence is too wordy and recruiters have no interest in reading.
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Some of the simple questions I asked, you have not answer yet.

How many hours do you work if include OT?
I think you can able to learn during your working hours since you also using the excel in workplace.
Do you have subordinates like technicians?

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Feb 4 2014, 01:19 AM
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post Feb 4 2014, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 4 2014, 01:58 AM)
Sorry I skimmed through too fast.

1) I think my resume lacks skills and knowledge. Even though I do heavily in programming in my FYP, it still doesn't boldly states a strong programmer. I thinking joining the relevant industry can improve on this.

2) Yes should be able to survive. Because I already have the basics, and if applying for a entry position, I can learn and improve more.

3) Yes yield reports, workbook sharing, data mining (I looked it up since I wans't sure what it is). I have to collect data and show graphs hopefully to show patterns in abnormality or etc.

4) I already replied you on that.
If include OT it should be 1.5-2.5hr. Which means I would have worked 10hr+ everyday, unless very rare I have things to do at home I ask to be released early.

Yes I have subordinates but they're mostly old workers working for the company 10-20 years. Most of their highest qualification is SPM or PMR, but currently trying to find younger employee to replace the older ones.
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There are few methods to reduce your workload so you can concentrate on learning new things.
- for the yield report, you should create automation on it. Auto query data by schedule, auto crunch it, auto tabulate, auto send to your bosses, subordinates and you.
Even you can auto predict the abnormality. This should remove most of your workload.
You should understand this, because you are an engineer. You need to shine brightly.

I did this before, you can find a way to do it.
Last time, I do have 4 technicians and 2 lines to take care of. I remove my technicians and my own workload in reporting(>6k % improvement projects since it is RM 0 project, able to optimize alot of headcounts including my own headcount), so my technicians can concentrate more on the line, and me will always do cima-cima kaizen and other improvements. This is my own design project last time(using software, scripting), and finally extended to full manufacturing line after I leave the company.
Yup, I like software and programming. smile.gif
Real engineer is not doing reporting, but help company to save money, improve processes and solve problems.

Don't find excuses. When your boss asked you to do something, just answer him/her "I will do it right now!". Become a do-ers.
You will attracts alot of bosses and seniors to teach you other things in life or other useful things.

- You dump all your things to your subordinates (not recommended)


Actually is quite simple, you just need to show your passion in your resume or interview, you will get the job.
From what I seen, you resume lacks of something related to software engineering. You do not show your related achievements related to software.

For FYP, how your FYP is different from others? Do you propose your own topics, did something your mechatronics faculty never did before?
Since you small until now, what do you do that can show us your interest to software or software engineering / CS is deep?
Why I asked this question, just want to know whether you like software out of nowhere in this year or long time ago.


edit: Please do not feel that we are harsh towards you.

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post Feb 4 2014, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 4 2014, 10:31 PM)
Wow that was really inspirational!  notworthy.gif  May I have the guides or website where I could learn and apply from? I agree that as an engineer the expectation is much higher, and my passion has always been to improve and not be stuck in the old fashion/inefficient methods.
I used to find excuses but after working and being disciplined by superior I feel that I am maturing and becoming a do-er, thought still have procrastination  unsure.gif

My FYP is something is improved on a small vehicle by using a microcontroller instead of a laptop. It was a crazy idea since noone dared to take such a difficult project, most of my friends picked easier (like using matlab to control a already existing xyz plane controller).
I don't quite understand this statement, care to explain?

I really like the programming part, but usually because of failures or codes doesn't work, I give up too fast. Now I'm determined to get it right, so it's definitely not a "out of nowhere" idea, thought in the future I want to in-cooperate hardwares or devices, and not just a person who does only program.

Btw, thanks for sharing your experience, and no, noone who is willing to share their opinions/thoughts are "harsh" on me.
Thanks. I wanna work with brilliant programmers and learn about it. Granted am not the ace now, but one day I want it to be better than most.
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It's a > 6000% improvement projects because it reduces workload of >10 hours old data crunching and reporting to 0 hours.
So, many of the engineers no need to prepare for most reporting, and can concentrate on solve line issue.
Every morning, a report will deliver for big bosses and engineers including technicians ,FA, Software, Product, Process, Managers, S. Managers and Plant Managers. Like a newspapers, engineers read it and solve it.
Why send to so many people? Because when any engineer absent from work, manager can solve the problems in the line.
This even can train our own technicians to solve the problems since they know which equipment and the yield, they will have faster response.
RM 0 means zero cost project. Why company like it? Because it saves alot of manual work and can optimize excess headcounts.
Whole manufacturing line become more responsive, the manager expect more from engineers and technicians after that.

I remind you again, programming is just a tool used by us to solve problems.

About the fyp, I think it will be better if we propose our own topic to the lecturer. Never mind, time passed.
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post Feb 4 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 4 2014, 10:42 PM)
brightjoey,

<<I really like the programming part, but usually because of failures or codes doesn't work, I give up too fast. >>

Then, programing is NOT for YOU.  You should do something else.

<<I wanna work with brilliant programmers and learn about it. >>

You can't.  Good programmer LOVE programing.  They like the challenge and difficulty.

One of the most important thing is career planning is to find out what you LOVE.  As far as we can tell, PROGRAMING is not the right one for you.  But, it is not bad.  You just have to find something else.

Dreamer
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I would like to hear from you since you're in this field for very long.
How do you tell a person love programming apart from those don't love?
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post Feb 5 2014, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 4 2014, 11:26 PM)
quovadis123,

People that LOVE programing get EXCITED and MOTIVATED when they face a difficult programing problem.  In fact, they continuously SEEK OUT tough problem. 

I do programing to solve problem.  I do not love programing.  Hence, I can do programing but I will NEVER be good at it.

I LOVE networking.  I read thousands of books on networking.  I seek out TOUGH networking problem.  I get MOTIVATED by tough networking problem.

Dreamer

P.S.:  It is VERY SIMPLE.

        People that LOVE programing will do a lot of programing outside of their coursework just for the FUN of it.
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Thanks for clear explanation.
I think I'm programming guy.
I like to solve problem, but I will try different method of programming and languages, sometime mixed few languages to solve same problems.
I feel very excited about programming. FYI, I'm not grad from programming related engineering course. I learnt by myself.
I do take a lot of online courses and grad with flying colors like A.I course, programming course. I did enjoy learning programming.
Most of my time, I will read programming books. Most of the python and objective-C languages books I also read before (more than 30books each).
Other programming languages I read just for few books to understand how it works.

I feel like smile from my heart when I start think of programming.
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post Feb 5 2014, 12:47 AM

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TS,

I do have friend that he said he like photography.
He bought a DSLR after he start working as engineer.
At the end, he seldom takes any pictures, he did not learn how to use DSLR efficiently.
But, he said he like photography. Even now, after 2 years and half, never see any pictures from him.


This is the problem, he actually do not know what he likes.
Because he think his friend as photographer very cool, then he think he also like photography.
A person like photography will takes pictures at every moments. They study the angle, contrast etc (This I no expert at all).


After you realised what you really like, your path will be clear.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Feb 5 2014, 12:51 AM
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post Feb 6 2014, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 6 2014, 12:00 AM)
I agree I don't intend to be a programmer as a final career choice. But I do like programming, otherwise I wouldn't have went through so much pain in learning and spending countless hours in the lab just working on programming. I lack motivation and discipline and I slack off easily, + I hate some attitudes of programmers that make me hate asking them( most of the programmer friends I know are high-and-mighty or look down on people, so I inadvertently harbour a strange dislike on programmers). I din't mean it when I give up too fast, upon reflecting, I did strive very hard to solve programming problems when I don't understand.

But hey I hope you're wrong and I'm right. I can't tell but the future will.
I love shooting films and writing storyboards. I still do. I daydream about it sometimes when I see a particular event or a funny situation where I wish I have a camera right there and then.

But filmmaking doesn't put food on the table (well, at least not very much in Malaysia), so I went to other passions which is in engineering science.

The trouble with me is that I'm torn between two worlds. With the filmmaking world captivates me, but so does building and designing working projects.
Well, maybe instead of writing a resume, I should focus more on career discovery.
Hmm, I think you're right. Thanks I'll remove the cgpa and hope they will not mind too much.

SPM in my year doesn't have a grading system, at least when I checked my SPM cert. My bro says employers might want to know if you're an A student. I'm not, but I'm a B student. I guess that's still not good enough?
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What do you intend to become as your final career choice? Architect, Evangelist? Or Managing path?

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post Feb 9 2014, 04:01 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 9 2014, 03:46 AM)
Ah sorry for late reply.
Alright, let's say you are right, that I don't like programming (which I still disagree, cause I painfully delibrately take a optional programming class even though I could have taken otherelective non-electronic modules). In any case, programming is still a vital skill to learn and to cultivate.

I know I'm still a naive boy, and yes giving excuses to me is like eating candy. But not doing nothing is far worse than doing something I dislike.

You tell me your life story in how you painstakingly spend hours in your free time learning, I can assume a large portion of the time is also programming, but still you confess you DISLIKE programming, but you STILL learn and practice programming. You still ACKNOWLEDGE the power of programming. In light of that, isn't working in a programming environment a ideal place to cultivate the skill?
For now, I don't have a final career choice. But I hoped in dealing with the different industries and enrolling myself into a Masters or PhD might make it clearer in what I planned to span my entire life on.

I really enjoy chemical engineering research, so I might try to go there. At this point, the future looks misty.
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brightjoey,

From the highlighted in blue,
Why do you think skill in programming is important?

Programming language is a language to communicate with machine. What dreamer learn is just a communication.
For example, I know how to communicate in Bahasa Malaysia since I learnt it since schooling time.
But my command in B.M is weak, but still I'm able to communicate with most people in B.M.
So, will I will improve my command in B.M ? No!
I will never good in BM for my entire life, just an average joe because I don't like.

In programming, you can use multiple method and algorithms to solve the same problems. For those dislike programming, they will only use one or two methods.
If the method can get the job done, then they are ok with it. They will never good at it.
For those like programming, they will continue for their entire life to find better way to solve it.

Like I said before, programming is just a tool of solving the problems. You need to know what field you really like.
In fact programming field are wide, there are software development, mobile computing, testing, architecture, analysis and very long list.

Let's say you are an expert in C programming(tool). But what field you want to enter with your profile?
Actually you still need a destination.

In fact, we already know programming is not for you. We don't want another average joe in this field. YOLO
You should in the field you really like! We want you to unleash your full potential, so, you will benefits to the world and society.


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post Feb 15 2014, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 14 2014, 12:59 AM)
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Just want to ask you simple questions,
What do you want to become in the future? Maybe next 2-5 years...
Work in engineering? become own boss, open a restaurant? running ecommerce? become lecturer? making movie? or prefer unemployed stay at home?

Just a honest answer..
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post Feb 16 2014, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 16 2014, 12:12 AM)
I like to see myself working in engineering, I really do, but maybe not as a programmer, but maybe more of a technical R&D in electronics.
The main thing is to get a job that I love spending time with, and it involves going through different industry and finding out what I love and passionate about.

I love video making as mention in 1 of my previous post, but I also love engineering technology, and solving problems dealing with R&D.

Thanks for making me realized that programming is a tool, indeed I want programming as a tool, but not as a life long career path.
In 5 years, I see myself being a leading professional in designing machinery. What machinery I haven the faintest idea, but my long term passions has always been to advance the technology of civilization, and to work towards building the next-gen machines.
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Seems this time you have some firm answer for us. For design machinery, normally you will exposed to CAD, for example AutoCAD, SolidWorks, ANSYS and etc.
During my FYP last time, I did propose and do projects of verifying fatigue life of certain steel using ANSYS via Finite Element Analysis.
I'm only one in the course proposing such computational method and compare with real experiments. Most of the 99% undergrad that time only taking titles given by lecturers/supervisor.
The ANSYS do have programming features if you want to custom run some extra simulations for those not available in the software itself.

Below is only illustration of the software.
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post Feb 18 2014, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 18 2014, 12:32 AM)
I have not tried ANSYS before, but Autocad is pretty much my bread and butter during college days. May I ask what kind of jobs would require me to use ANSYS?
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ANSYS just like other simulation software. Similar softwares are like CATIA, solidworks etc.
You create a 3D model through AutoCAD/Solidworks/ other CAD software then you exported to ANSYS to do testing in terms of materials strength, simulate and predict the product in real life etc.
Those jobs are called Finite Element Engineer.
It's not like a engineer design by drawing only... Those can be done by draughtsman already.

Edit: There are a lot of jobs using those simulation softwares, maybe other professionals can comment about this too.

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post Feb 18 2014, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 18 2014, 12:32 AM)
Okay, I am extremely torn in my passion. I love alot of things. I love making videos, (though I haven't created one cause i'm busy, and without the right equipment) I love learning languages ( I learn Japanese & German juz because it's really fun), I love making machines work ( I want to build a functional robot and feel satisfy seeing it work), So how am I suppose to know what should I do?
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What right equipment do you mean? You can use your phone camera, right?

Like a typist, at beginning, they will use normal keyboard a.k.a membrane keyboard or maybe you can use laptop keyboard.
After that typist break alot of keyboard after long time use, they will move to more reliable keyboard like mechanical keyboard. They will notice the drawback of membrane keyboard.
Moving from membrane keyboard to mechanical keyboard is like from RM 20 keyboard to RM 500 keyboard.
Everyone start at level 1, then slowly level up..

You will notice what is the drawbacks of that item then you will upgrade based on your needs.
Even if I give you a best equipment, you still don't know how to use its full potential.

My advice is use what you have currently have.

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