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TSbrightjoey
post Feb 2 2014, 10:54 PM, updated 12y ago

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I have worked in a food manufacturing company as a production engineer for 1 year. After a while I really felt this job isn't suitable for me. I like to do more technical stuff and work with electronic industry, never try never know right? Problem is I applied to many companies but haven't receive a single callback. Now I'm wasn't sure whether it's my poor grades or my poor resume or changing industry, but I want to fix my problem.


Can any sifu take a look at my resume and recommend correction? I really hope to work in Penang Island but if really no choice then I have to apply to KL.

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post Feb 2 2014, 10:58 PM

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Maybe, just maybe, you lack working experiences ?

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(Randy Marsh @ Feb 2 2014, 10:58 PM)
Maybe, just maybe, you lack working experiences ?
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Yeah, I've thought about that. But it seems absurb that my friends with so-so qualification like mine can get in whereas I can't.

+ I only applied for entry positions since I'm entering into a different industry and is completely different from what I do now.
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 10:54 PM)
I have worked in a food manufacturing company as a production engineer for 1 year. After a while I really felt this job isn't suitable for me. I like to do more technical stuff and work with electronic industry, never try never know right? Problem is I applied to many companies but haven't receive a single callback. Now I'm wasn't sure whether it's my poor grades or my poor resume or changing industry, but I want to fix my problem.
Can any sifu take a look at my resume and recommend correction? I really hope to work in Penang Island but if really no choice then I have to apply to KL.
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You apply through jobstreet only for new jobs? Do you search through newspapers?
Do you try Altera, Intel? I mean they have their webpage for vacancies.

Your current job details too short in my opinion.
You may refer this.

- Responsible for overall process engineering and product engineering.
- To sustain and improve process yield and quality.
- To take up cost reduction projects. (You may edit this)
- To determine the corrective actions related to process yield issue.
- To analyze evaluation and make conclusion.

Your "Solves >10 process abnormality and develop improvement for optimal performance & food safety ..." - improve how many % and how did it helps your company?
Achievements are important.

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 11:13 PM)
Yeah, I've thought about that. But it seems absurb that my friends with so-so qualification like mine can get in whereas I can't.

+ I only applied for entry positions since I'm entering into a different industry and is completely different from what I do now.
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I see. I can understand that.

Maybe they think that you are over-qualified for applying entry positions ?

Hence the issue.
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post Feb 2 2014, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 10:54 PM)
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brightjoey,

Aha!!

A mechatronic graduate that is NOT AS GOOD as Electrical Engineering graduate want to join electronic industry.

WHY should they hire YOU when you know much less that a TYPICAL EE graduate in term of Electronic?? WHAT do you KNOW about Electronic industry to begin with??

YOU need to answer those questions in your resume.

As I had told people again and again, Mechatronic is a LOUSY DEGREE.

Dreamer

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:17 PM)
You apply through jobstreet only for new jobs? Do you search through newspapers?
Do you try Altera, Intel? I mean they have their webpage for vacancies.

Your current job details too short in my opinion.
You may refer this.

- Responsible for overall process engineering and product engineering.
- To sustain and improve process yield and quality.
- To take up cost reduction projects. (You may edit this)
- To determine the corrective actions related to process yield issue.
- To analyze evaluation and make conclusion.

Your "Solves >10 process abnormality and develop improvement for optimal performance & food safety ..." - improve how many % and how did it helps your company?
Achievements are important.
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Ok Noted, noted. I did apply for Altera and Intel since they're big companies that had their own company job application. But never liked it since it encourages people to post a wall of text with little formatting. It clutters my resume into just words. Plus without a CGPA 3.0+ , I stand a abysmal chance in their eyes. So whenever possible I would apply directly through jobstreet.

The problem I had with job description is being specific. Sometimes I just do what my boss tells me to do and had no idea how much improvement it does show in calculations.

The "Solves >10 process abnormality...." Now that one is something that bounds to happens because of the poor condition of the plant, we have some idea on fixing it but the cost too damn high that the COO wouldn't approve the budget. So I had to "solve" it (taking short-cuts) when easily if we improve the plant condition it wouldn't be a problem. As for how many % honestly that % is going to be the same until the budget is approved.
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:32 PM)
brightjoey,

Aha!!

A mechatronic graduate that is NOT AS GOOD as Electrical Engineering graduate want to join electronic industry.

WHY should they hire YOU when you know much less that a TYPICAL EE graduate in term of Electronic?? WHAT do you KNOW about Electronic industry to begin with??

YOU need to answer those questions in your resume.

As I had told people again and again, Mechatronic is a LOUSY DEGREE.

Dreamer
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Ouch! you show no mercy :'(

Ideally I wish I done a different FYP project as it seriously made me a handicap in the real world (too ambitious, wanting to show off etc etc.), Now what's done is done and I need to get doing SOMETHING!

I've taken up MOOC + courseera to cover my weakness, but it's still isn't enough. I know I have no right to ask alot, but If I can get a sliver of chance, I know it's something I can prove myself on.

+ many of my colleagues says how hardworking + useful I am, ( hope they're not stroking my ego), so I think I have what it takes.
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brightjoey,

<<But never liked it since it encourages people to post a wall of text with little formatting.>>

1) YOU are looking for job. Altera and Intel is doing the hiring. What you like or dislike is IRRELEVANT to THEM. So, get YOUR MENTALITY set correctly first. A beggar cannot be chooser.

2) Your CGPA is horrible. You have NO WORKING EXPERIENCE in Electronic industry. So, unless and until you can CONVINCE people that you have RELEVANT EDUCATION / SKILL / CAPABILITY to the electronic industry, you have NO CHANCE.

<< The "Solves >10 process abnormality...." Now that one is something that bounds to happens because of the poor condition of the plant, we have some idea on fixing it but the cost too damn high that the COO wouldn't approve the budget. So I had to "solve" it (taking short-cuts) when easily if we improve the plant condition it wouldn't be a problem. As for how many % honestly that % is going to be the same until the budget is approved.>>

3) What had you DONE that is USEFUL and RELEVANT to electronic industry?? If you DO NOT KNOW, you had not done enough research to earn you an interview.

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 11:41 PM)
Ouch! you show no mercy :'(

Ideally I wish I done a different FYP project as it seriously made me a handicap in the real world (too ambitious, wanting to show off etc etc.), Now what's done is done and I need to get doing SOMETHING!

I've taken up MOOC + courseera to cover my weakness, but it's still isn't enough. I know I have no right to ask alot, but If I can get a sliver of chance, I know it's something I can prove myself on.

+ many of my colleagues says how hardworking + useful I am, ( hope they're not stroking my ego), so I think I have what it takes.
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brightjoey,

You THINK that I am harsh?? Those are the questions that you will face if and when you have an interview. Be prepared to answer those questions.

<<+ many of my colleagues says how hardworking + useful I am, >>

As compare to WHO?? And, unless they are working or know somebody in electronic industry, it is USELESS to YOU.

PROVE IT in YOUR RESUME. If you cannot show it in YOUR RESUME, it does not exist.

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post Feb 2 2014, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:32 PM)
brightjoey,

Aha!!

A mechatronic graduate that is NOT AS GOOD as Electrical Engineering graduate want to join electronic industry.

WHY should they hire YOU when you know much less that a TYPICAL EE graduate in term of Electronic?? WHAT do you KNOW about Electronic industry to begin with??

YOU need to answer those questions in your resume.

As I had told people again and again, Mechatronic is a LOUSY DEGREE.

Dreamer
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 2 2014, 11:33 PM)
Ok Noted, noted. I did apply for Altera and Intel since they're big companies that had their own company job application. But never liked it since it encourages people to post a wall of text with little formatting. It clutters my resume into just words. Plus without a CGPA 3.0+ , I stand a abysmal chance in their eyes. So whenever possible I would apply directly through jobstreet.

The problem I had with job description is being specific. Sometimes I just do what my boss tells me to do and had no idea how much improvement it does show in calculations.

The "Solves >10 process abnormality...." Now that one is something that bounds to happens because of the poor condition of the plant, we have some idea on fixing it but the cost too damn high that the COO wouldn't approve the budget. So I had to "solve" it (taking short-cuts) when easily if we improve the plant condition it wouldn't be a problem. As for how many % honestly that % is going to be the same until the budget is approved.
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Dreamer is right. From your resume, I don't see anything like course that you learnt that support you to become software engineer.
Mechatronics definitely is not add any value too.

You should find back and try to compute your improvement. Do your company use Lean's Six Sigma?
Maybe those terms like JIT, kaizen, 5S, poka yoke etc may remind you.
I do feel like you disconnected from manufacturing after I read you resume.

What have you done in free time, company kaizen, etc using computer technology? Because if you like software etc, you will done something in your free time, or office time.
I give you another example for this,
-"You did an automation sending out daily report to every engineering bosses utilising tools you have in the company, using excel, vba, vbs, smtp email and sql."
-"You join and contributing to open-source e.g. certain linux, certain projects."
-"You got few certs from computer science, A.I etc from online courses or other sources."

Know programming is no use, even a 5 years old know it. You must show the passion why you like this kind of job.
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post Feb 3 2014, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:41 PM)
brightjoey,

<<But never liked it since it encourages people to post a wall of text with little formatting.>>

1) YOU are looking for job.  Altera and Intel is doing the hiring.  What you like or dislike is IRRELEVANT to THEM.  So, get YOUR MENTALITY set correctly first.  A beggar cannot be chooser.

2) Your CGPA is horrible.  You have NO WORKING EXPERIENCE in Electronic industry.  So, unless and until you can CONVINCE people that you have RELEVANT EDUCATION / SKILL / CAPABILITY to the electronic industry, you have NO CHANCE.

<< The "Solves >10 process abnormality...." Now that one is something that bounds to happens because of the poor condition of the plant, we have some idea on fixing it but the cost too damn high that the COO wouldn't approve the budget. So I had to "solve" it (taking short-cuts) when easily if we improve the plant condition it wouldn't be a problem. As for how many % honestly that % is going to be the same until the budget is approved.>>

3) What had you DONE that is USEFUL and RELEVANT to electronic industry??  If you DO NOT KNOW, you had not done enough research to earn you an interview.

Dreamer
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1) Ok noted. I better get my act together now.

2) Yes I acknowledge that. I am looking any opportunity that expands on these relevant skills, and therefore aren't that choosy (except abt the penang, KL thing, I really wanna work in Penang)

3) That experience had little-til-nil relevance in and electronic industry, but if i could first get into that company by being in production first, then later changing departments.

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:46 PM)
brightjoey,

You THINK that I am harsh?? Those are the questions that you will face if and when you have an interview.  Be prepared to answer those questions.

<<+ many of my colleagues says how hardworking + useful I am, >>

As compare to WHO?? And, unless they are working or know somebody in electronic industry, it is USELESS to YOU.

PROVE IT in YOUR RESUME.  If you cannot show it in YOUR RESUME, it does not exist.

Dreamer
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I want to improve on these areas, I want to have achievements too, but I'm currently in a industry where most of my superiors only graduated with an SPM cert, all they have is experience. I wanna climb but there's no ladder around. Therefore my conclusion is to change to a relevant industry ASAP. I know my limited skills is my weakness, but if given the chance I know I'll grab and never let go.

QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:50 PM)
Dreamer is right. From your resume, I don't see anything like course that you learnt that support you to become software engineer.
Mechatronics definitely is not add any value too.

You should find back and try to compute your improvement. Do your company use Lean's Six Sigma?
Maybe those terms like JIT, kaizen, 5S, poka yoke etc may remind you.
I do feel like you disconnected from manufacturing after I read you resume.

What have you done in free time, company kaizen, etc using computer technology? Because if you like software etc, you will done something in your free time, or office time.
I give you another example for this,
-"You did an automation sending out daily report to every engineering bosses utilising tools you have in the company, using excel, vba, vbs, smtp email and sql."
-"You join and contributing to open-source e.g. certain linux, certain projects."
-"You got few certs from computer science, A.I etc from online courses or other sources."

Know programming is no use, even a 5 years old know it. You must show the passion why you like this kind of job.
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I do know 5S, kaizen, poka yoke concept, and my plant practice it too. Thanks I will add on that.

I'm currently learning enough excel programming to do things like automatic calculation or linking, I have noone else that I know in the company who can help refine these skills. Maybe if I switch departments I can get the relevant people, but isn't switching to the relevant industry better and also has better opportunities?
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brightjoey,

1) You KNOW NOTHING about Electronic industry. Now, if you KNOW NOTHING, how could you tell what you DO NOW is RELEVANT or IRRELEVANT to electronic industry??

<< 3) That experience had little-til-nil relevance in and electronic industry, but if i could first get into that company by being in production first, then later changing departments.>>

2) How do you KNOW THIS when you KNOW NOTHING??

<<I do know 5S, kaizen, poka yoke concept, and my plant practice it too. Thanks I will add on that.>>

3) Case in point. We had just proven something in your current job that is RELEVANT to electronic industry.

<< I have noone else that I know in the company who can help refine these skills. >>

4) Why do you need this when you have THE INTERNET and some of courses are in YOUTUBE?? STOP giving excuses...

<< Maybe if I switch departments I can get the relevant people, but isn't switching to the relevant industry better and also has better opportunities?>>

5) Why would somebody give you a chance to begin with if you DO NOT DEMONSTRATE that you are MOTIVATED to learn in the first place??

Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 3 2014, 12:15 AM)
I'm currently learning enough excel programming to do things like automatic calculation or linking, I have noone else that I know in the company who can help refine these skills. Maybe if I switch departments I can get the relevant people, but isn't switching to the relevant industry better and also has better opportunities?
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Are you talking about VBA? What I know is VBA (Visual Basic for Application) which is coded at the back of a spreadsheet. It's can run as macro and other form.
Just read some books and use google, a lot of resources you can learn from. Trust me for this.

Please don't think your company can help you refine any skills. Every skills you need for the future, you have to learn it by yourself.
Just want to let you face the reality, you said you want to change to software, talk is cheap. You need to show what you done to the interviewer and your resume. (Dreamer mentioned this already)

Just want to ask you few simple questions, what do you think of your current resume?
Do you feel that you can survive in software engineering with your current skills?

In your current job, do you do report like using excel etc? maybe yield report, data mining etc?
Why do you work in your current job in the first place? Why you not pursue software engineering last time?

Edit: Chances are not given, is you create by your own.

This post has been edited by quovadis123: Feb 3 2014, 01:36 AM
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 3 2014, 12:15 AM)
1) Ok noted. I better get my act together now.

2) Yes I acknowledge that. I am looking any opportunity that expands on these relevant skills, and therefore aren't that choosy (except abt the penang, KL thing, I really wanna work in Penang)

3) That experience had little-til-nil relevance in and electronic industry, but if i could first get into that company by being in production first, then later changing departments.
I want to improve on these areas, I want to have achievements too, but I'm currently in a industry where most of my superiors only graduated with an SPM cert, all they have is experience. I wanna climb but there's no ladder around. Therefore my conclusion is to change to a relevant industry ASAP. I know my limited skills is my weakness, but if given the chance I know I'll grab and never let go.
I do know 5S, kaizen, poka yoke concept, and my plant practice it too. Thanks I will add on that.

I'm currently learning enough excel programming to do things like automatic calculation or linking, I have noone else that I know in the company who can help refine these skills. Maybe if I switch departments I can get the relevant people, but isn't switching to the relevant industry better and also has better opportunities?
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Macro and VBA programming is very easy compared to C. I did C programming and VBA was ABC to me. Here is a good site I use a lot of time:

http://excelvbatutor.com/vba_tutorial.html

Macros you just look it up on google.

You just need to tailor your resume to what the employers seek. It is better to go out and seek another ladder to climb than to sit around. However, there are skills that you can use that is similar to electronics industry. Such things like PLC, C and C++.

Your resume needs a bit of fine tuning but what I guess is your Jobstreet information was not filled as effective as you can for HR to catch. Sometimes it is better to call or apply directly to the company. Unless your resume is very impressive (green field experience, overseas experience... ) Jobstreet might not be as effective.
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Dear TS, please bear in mind that getting your ideal job isn't solely based on your cv / resume. I, myself got the job within my social circle, someone who has connection with the company offering the job that i was applying. A few friends of mine were actually employed by those well known companies through their circle of friends, networking and so on.
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 2 2014, 11:17 PM)
You apply through jobstreet only for new jobs? Do you search through newspapers?
Do you try Altera, Intel? I mean they have their webpage for vacancies.

Your current job details too short in my opinion.
You may refer this.

- Responsible for overall process engineering and product engineering.
- To sustain and improve process yield and quality.
- To take up cost reduction projects. (You may edit this)
- To determine the corrective actions related to process yield issue.
- To analyze evaluation and make conclusion.

Your "Solves >10 process abnormality and develop improvement for optimal performance & food safety ..." - improve how many % and how did it helps your company?
Achievements are important.
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add some example, i know u solved 10 issues but what is it? and what is the impact? cost? lead time?
then for improvement, again example and what is the outcome?
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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 3 2014, 01:22 AM)

Just want to ask you few simple questions, what do you think of your current resume?
Do you feel that you can survive in software engineering with your current skills?

In your current job, do you do report like using excel etc? maybe yield report, data mining etc?
Why do you work in your current job in the first place? Why you not pursue software engineering last time?

Edit: Chances are not given, is you create by your own.
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Well, I would like to try, the last time I applied I gotten an offer from Pentamaster regarding a software position, albeit a lower pay. At the time, I wanted to gain a management row to improve on my social and leadership skills. I agree my resume is inferior compared to other capable people, which is why I don't ask for the same or even lesser pay.


QUOTE(razo2 @ Feb 3 2014, 04:38 PM)
Macro and VBA programming is very easy compared to C. I did C programming and VBA was ABC to me. Here is a good site I use a lot of time:

http://excelvbatutor.com/vba_tutorial.html

Macros you just look it up on google.

You just need to tailor your resume to what the employers seek. It is better to go out and seek another ladder to climb than to sit around. However, there are skills that you can use that is similar to electronics industry. Such things like PLC, C and C++. 

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Your resume needs a bit of fine tuning but what I guess is your Jobstreet information was not filled as effective as you can for HR to catch. Sometimes it is better to call or apply directly to the company. Unless your resume is very impressive (green field experience, overseas experience... ) Jobstreet might not be as effective.

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Thx, I downloaded a few VBA programming guides off youtube, I wanna get around to it but progress is slow since I am busy with a full-time job + OT.
May I know which area in the resume I could still finetune? I would appreciate it very much. smile.gif


QUOTE(eletene @ Feb 3 2014, 08:10 PM)
Dear TS, please bear in mind that getting your ideal job isn't solely based on your cv / resume. I, myself got the job within my social circle, someone who has connection with the company offering the job that i was applying. A few friends of mine were actually employed by those well known companies through their circle of friends, networking and so on.
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I did send my resume to a few friends, but that was before I actually learn the proper way in writing a resume. Maybe I could try that now.. Thanks I will do that. smile.gif


QUOTE(hermitage hemitate @ Feb 3 2014, 09:49 PM)
add some example, i know u solved 10 issues but what is it? and what is the impact? cost? lead time?
then for improvement, again example and what is the outcome?
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Solves >10 process abnormality that passes audits from Nestle, Mondelez and Mamee and develop improvement that reduces amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year for optimal performance & food safety.

Is that better? I switched around the words abit and added the "amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year"

I'm afraid that sentence is too wordy and recruiters have no interest in reading.
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QUOTE(brightjoey @ Feb 4 2014, 01:03 AM)
Well, I would like to try, the last time I applied I gotten an offer from Pentamaster regarding a software position, albeit a lower pay. At the time, I wanted to gain a management row to improve on my social and leadership skills. I agree my resume is inferior compared to other capable people, which is why I don't ask for the same or even lesser pay.

Thx, I downloaded a few VBA programming guides off youtube, I wanna get around to it but progress is slow since I am busy with a full-time job + OT.
May I know which area in the resume I could still finetune? I would appreciate it very much. smile.gif
I did send my resume to a few friends, but that was before I actually learn the proper way in writing a resume. Maybe I could try that now.. Thanks I will do that. smile.gif
Solves >10 process abnormality that passes audits from Nestle, Mondelez and Mamee and develop improvement that reduces amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year for optimal performance & food safety.

Is that better? I switched around the words abit and added the "amount of complaints down to 0-1 in a year"

I'm afraid that sentence is too wordy and recruiters have no interest in reading.
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Some of the simple questions I asked, you have not answer yet.

How many hours do you work if include OT?
I think you can able to learn during your working hours since you also using the excel in workplace.
Do you have subordinates like technicians?

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QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 3 2014, 01:22 AM)
Just want to ask you few simple questions, what do you think of your current resume?
Do you feel that you can survive in software engineering with your current skills?

In your current job, do you do report like using excel etc? maybe yield report, data mining etc?
Why do you work in your current job in the first place? Why you not pursue software engineering last time?

Edit: Chances are not given, is you create by your own.
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Sorry I skimmed through too fast.

1) I think my resume lacks skills and knowledge. Even though I do heavily in programming in my FYP, it still doesn't boldly states a strong programmer. I thinking joining the relevant industry can improve on this.

2) Yes should be able to survive. Because I already have the basics, and if applying for a entry position, I can learn and improve more.

3) Yes yield reports, workbook sharing, data mining (I looked it up since I wans't sure what it is). I have to collect data and show graphs hopefully to show patterns in abnormality or etc.

4) I already replied you on that.

QUOTE(quovadis123 @ Feb 4 2014, 01:19 AM)
Some of the simple questions I asked, you have not answer yet.

How many hours do you work if include OT?
I think you can able to learn during your working hours since you also using the excel in workplace.
Do you have subordinates like technicians?
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If include OT it should be 1.5-2.5hr. Which means I would have worked 10hr+ everyday, unless very rare I have things to do at home I ask to be released early.

Yes I have subordinates but they're mostly old workers working for the company 10-20 years. Most of their highest qualification is SPM or PMR, but currently trying to find younger employee to replace the older ones.


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