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Gas tank outside kitchen, good idea?
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TSazleena
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Jan 30 2014, 01:26 PM, updated 12y ago
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One kitchen place I went to suggested putting the gas tank outside the kitchen, instead of inside a kitchen cabinet, for safety. But in my kitchen, the stove will not be located at the back wall, it will be at the side wall so the hose would have to travel probably about 2m behind the cabinets then through the wall to outside. Will this affect the stove efficiency? I think if I need to change the hose later for any reason, it will be a big hassle....
Has anyone else done this?
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mrgoodgood
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Jan 30 2014, 01:33 PM
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I think it is fine if you seal it properly. In my brother's case, their gas tank enclosure isn't sealed properly, and cockroaches and other pests entered the kitchen through the hole in the wall.
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TSazleena
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Jan 30 2014, 03:31 PM
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QUOTE(mrgoodgood @ Jan 30 2014, 01:33 PM) I think it is fine if you seal it properly. In my brother's case, their gas tank enclosure isn't sealed properly, and cockroaches and other pests entered the kitchen through the hole in the wall. good thing to note! but then it really will be impossible to change the hose!
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ozak
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Jan 30 2014, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(azleena @ Jan 30 2014, 03:31 PM) good thing to note! but then it really will be impossible to change the hose! It is definitely ok for the tank outside and run a long hose inside. If you want a more secure, safe and last long, run a flexible copper pipe. Than short hose for both side. It is easy to change the hose next time.
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oe_kintaro
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Jan 30 2014, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(azleena @ Jan 30 2014, 01:26 PM) One kitchen place I went to suggested putting the gas tank outside the kitchen, instead of inside a kitchen cabinet, for safety. But in my kitchen, the stove will not be located at the back wall, it will be at the side wall so the hose would have to travel probably about 2m behind the cabinets then through the wall to outside. Will this affect the stove efficiency? I think if I need to change the hose later for any reason, it will be a big hassle.... Has anyone else done this? Copper pipe is the best option if you have a long length to run. It should not affect the stove efficiency imho. Gas loss is usually at the fixture not the pipe.
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TSazleena
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Jan 31 2014, 07:54 AM
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great comments! thanks!
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Flawless1
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Oct 9 2014, 01:52 AM
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hopefully it is locked n secured. during one of the police talks, not advisable to hv a gas tank outside the house (especially landed properties) burglars cn use the gas tank as a tool to break down your windows n doors.
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JunJun04035
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Oct 9 2014, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE(azleena @ Jan 30 2014, 01:26 PM) One kitchen place I went to suggested putting the gas tank outside the kitchen, instead of inside a kitchen cabinet, for safety. But in my kitchen, the stove will not be located at the back wall, it will be at the side wall so the hose would have to travel probably about 2m behind the cabinets then through the wall to outside. Will this affect the stove efficiency? I think if I need to change the hose later for any reason, it will be a big hassle.... Has anyone else done this? Uses copper, GI piping, or even S/S piping in the cabinet, connect to the outside wall then transfer become rubber hose.
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ozak
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Oct 9 2014, 09:19 AM
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QUOTE(Flawless1 @ Oct 9 2014, 01:52 AM) hopefully it is locked n secured. during one of the police talks, not advisable to hv a gas tank outside the house (especially landed properties) burglars cn use the gas tank as a tool to break down your windows n doors. In my case, the burglars climb in and carried away the tank. Can sell off for RM50.
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Flawless1
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Oct 9 2014, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 9 2014, 10:19 AM) In my case, the burglars climb in and carried away the tank. Can sell off for RM50. Hahaha. Quite smart.
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DecaPix
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Oct 9 2014, 01:57 PM
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why would they take the gas tank to smash windows? make so much noise and so heavy... better carry a hammer?
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sentinal3_16
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Oct 9 2014, 02:12 PM
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Is it safe to put gas cylinder outside of the house? I was thinking this last time but just worried of the lighting might hit the cylinder.
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ozak
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Oct 9 2014, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(sentinal3_16 @ Oct 9 2014, 02:12 PM) Is it safe to put gas cylinder outside of the house? I was thinking this last time but just worried of the lighting might hit the cylinder. That is 1 in a million chance. Ha...... Putting outside is more safe than inside. Gas leak won't kill you. Chance of explode is less if caught fire.
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bengang13
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Oct 9 2014, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(Flawless1 @ Oct 9 2014, 01:52 AM) hopefully it is locked n secured. during one of the police talks, not advisable to hv a gas tank outside the house (especially landed properties) burglars cn use the gas tank as a tool to break down your windows n doors. For my case it was the opposite. They use the tong to smash the inside door
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 03:44 PM
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QUOTE(DecaPix @ Oct 9 2014, 01:57 PM) why would they take the gas tank to smash windows? make so much noise and so heavy... better carry a hammer? A LPG cylinder can send all so called security to scrap yard.
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 9 2014, 08:38 AM) Uses copper, GI piping, or even S/S piping in the cabinet, connect to the outside wall then transfer become rubber hose. Actually copper are not a good idea for gas lines. See how LPG destroy your burner head can know already
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chinteck79
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Oct 9 2014, 04:57 PM
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the only worries is it get stolen. they can sell it back to those shop to refill gas.
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JunJun04035
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Oct 9 2014, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 9 2014, 03:49 PM) Actually copper are not a good idea for gas lines. See how LPG destroy your burner head can know already  Stainless steel is the answer then XD
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weikee
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Oct 9 2014, 06:00 PM
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GI pipe is good enough, there no water only gas, won't clog the GI pipes.
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 9 2014, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 9 2014, 05:44 PM) Stainless steel is the answer then XD I still prefer using rubber hose. Mine already last for 8.5 years and never leak. The best way to make the hose last long is depressurize it and remove the head from cylinder. LPG have some impurities inside, so it may corrode the metal piping over the time.
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ozak
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Oct 9 2014, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 9 2014, 06:00 PM) GI pipe is good enough, there no water only gas, won't clog the GI pipes. After many yrs, it will clog also. But clog the valve O ring and stuck the nozzle. GI is using because it cheaper. Doing a lot using GI pipe as gas piping. Even for bigger gas pipe which using flange to joint. The best is still the copper pipe. And for easy work, just use the flexible copper pipe. Cause the diameter is just fit nice to the hose. And tighten with the hose clip.
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JunJun04035
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Oct 10 2014, 12:40 AM
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QUOTE(supersound @ Oct 9 2014, 06:08 PM) I still prefer using rubber hose. Mine already last for 8.5 years and never leak. The best way to make the hose last long is depressurize it and remove the head from cylinder. LPG have some impurities inside, so it may corrode the metal piping over the time. Mine says otherwise. Using copper for 8 yeas too. The rubber hose need replacement ea 3 years++ There is a tint of gas stink in the kitchen when the hose get stiffens
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SUSsupersound
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Oct 10 2014, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 10 2014, 12:40 AM) Mine says otherwise. Using copper for 8 yeas too. The rubber hose need replacement ea 3 years++ There is a tint of gas stink in the kitchen when the hose get stiffens Wait till you see the pipe's internal
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weikee
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Oct 10 2014, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 9 2014, 07:45 PM) After many yrs, it will clog also. But clog the valve O ring and stuck the nozzle. GI is using because it cheaper. Doing a lot using GI pipe as gas piping. Even for bigger gas pipe which using flange to joint. The best is still the copper pipe. And for easy work, just use the flexible copper pipe. Cause the diameter is just fit nice to the hose. And tighten with the hose clip. Ok, maybe copper will be better. My aunt house using GI, almost 30 years now, din't hear her complain on clog.
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idoblu
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Oct 10 2014, 10:59 AM
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guys those piped in gas for condos, are they using LPG or Natural Gas? any idea?
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ozak
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Oct 10 2014, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 10 2014, 10:55 AM) Ok, maybe copper will be better. My aunt house using GI, almost 30 years now, din't hear her complain on clog. How long it last very much depend on the vapour content in the pipe. Who will open out the GI pipe and check. Most of the people don't no and thaught the burner have problem when the 1) turn the knob higher to get more frame 2) yellow frame 3) totally no frame. But this is very easy DIY. Just unscrew the nozzle, knock the nozzle till the dirt out. If too stubborn use a needle or what ever match the nozzle size hole, poke into it. But don't poke too hard till the hole big. Some of this nozzle is make of copper. For o ring, change it, oil it and clean the internal.
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weikee
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Oct 10 2014, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 10 2014, 11:15 AM) How long it last very much depend on the vapour content in the pipe. Who will open out the GI pipe and check. Most of the people don't no and thaught the burner have problem when the 1) turn the knob higher to get more frame 2) yellow frame 3) totally no frame. But this is very easy DIY. Just unscrew the nozzle, knock the nozzle till the dirt out. If too stubborn use a needle or what ever match the nozzle size hole, poke into it. But don't poke too hard till the hole big. Some of this nozzle is make of copper. For o ring, change it, oil it and clean the internal. Condo gas piping is still using GI right?
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Mohdnorazman
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Oct 10 2014, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Oct 9 2014, 07:45 PM) After many yrs, it will clog also. But clog the valve O ring and stuck the nozzle. GI is using because it cheaper. Doing a lot using GI pipe as gas piping. Even for bigger gas pipe which using flange to joint. The best is still the copper pipe. And for easy work, just use the flexible copper pipe. Cause the diameter is just fit nice to the hose. And tighten with the hose clip. Hi ozak What is suitable copper pipe size for lpg gas? Plan to do for my kitchen
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ozak
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Oct 10 2014, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(weikee @ Oct 10 2014, 11:38 AM) Condo gas piping is still using GI right? I not sure here. But what I experience in spore HDB is using GI pipe. For factory yes. Most of it. For bigger size that have big gas tank in factory which need bigger pipe, Steel pipe is use. Joint is weld with flange and screw and nut is use. Copper is use when near to burner and around it.
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ozak
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Oct 10 2014, 12:11 PM
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QUOTE(Mohdnorazman @ Oct 10 2014, 11:47 AM) Hi ozak What is suitable copper pipe size for lpg gas? Plan to do for my kitchen Any copper size 1/8 is ok. The gas hose internal diameter is just nice to fix in. Use hose clip to secure it. Don't forget to test with soap water and pressure it for sometime for leaking test.
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