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post Jan 22 2014, 08:45 AM, updated 12y ago

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Bumi dealers to government: Keep auto APs

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KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 22 — Bumiputera car dealers have asked Putrajaya to help keep their businesses afloat by maintaining the Approved Permit (AP) system, even as the government grapples with growing expectations to liberalise the country’s automotive industry.

The Malaysian Association of Malay Vehicle Importers and Traders (Pekema) said Putrajaya’s continued indecision over the status of the AP system has heightened concerns among its members over how their livelihood would be affected.

“We hope the govenment will continue with the AP system. Maybe review it, but keep it going,” Pekema president Datuk Zainuddin Abd Rahman told The Malay Mail Online when contacted.

When launching the revised National Automotive Policy (NAP) 2014 on Monday, International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Seri Mustapa Mohamed said that the government has yet to come to a decision on the AP system, which allows permit holders to import cars, saying that a “thorough study” will be conducted after Chinese New Year.

Mustapa later denied that the government was “backtracking” on its decision to halt the AP policy — which is seen as largely benefiting a small section of the Bumiputera community — saying that Putrajaya had found the issue to be more “complicated” than it initially thought.

“We talk to AP people, they also crave employment, participation. We talk to other people, they talk about level playing field,” he said during a question and answer session with the media after unveiling the NAP 2014.

“For the moment, the AP policy remains, which is termination by 2015,” he said earlier.

When the NAP was reviewed in 2009, it was stated that open APs would be terminated by December 31, 2015, while franchise APs would be terminated by December 31, 2020.

Zainuddin said the NAP 2014’s focus on energy efficient vehicles (EEV) is a good move to deal with the rising cost of fossil fuels, but stressed that the government needs to work on reducing excise duties if local players are to remain competitive.

He said that overall car prices will continue to fall in the country, but those in the import business will be hard-pressed to match the lower prices if excise duties remain high.

“At the moment, prices (of imported cars) are a bit high due to the duties. We have asked MoF (Minsitry of FInance) to consider reducing import tax and excise duties.

“For new cars, the import duty is less now, so they should bring dow the used car duties also. The majority of dealers will die if the price remains... what about our cars?” Zainuddin said.

Mustapa had said in the NAP unveiling that the government will not slash excise duties for vehicles as yet, as it accounts for 75 per cent of its total tax collection for vehicles.

He noted, however, that Putrajaya could consider trimming the duties - which have been blamed for high car prices - if the country’s fiscal position is strong enough in the next few years.

The AP system was introduced as an extension of the New Economic Policy, an affirmative action policy that was implemented in 1970 to deal with the income disparity between the majority Malays and the economically strong Chinese community.

Bumiputera dealers hold the lion’s share of APs issued by the government, with open APs typically used to import used cars while franchise APs deal with new vehicles.

Yesterday, PKR lashed out at Putrajaya’s refusal to remove the AP system, saying that the government would not have to backtrack on the scheduled removal of the system if they had done a proper in-depth study beforehand.

”We are also disappointed with the recent flip-flop by BN to maintain the AP system on the excuse that more studies are needed.

”This is no more than an excuse to allow certain groups who are close to BN to gain ridiculous profits when the public continue to be burdened by high car prices,” PKR strategic director Rafizi Ramli and Selangor state assembly deputy Speaker Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad said in a joint statement.
- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...h.NWPLg0DZ.dpuf
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Dealer only makes up 0.001%> of the bumi...
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simple solution is to do a steady reduction (e.g. today's AP fees -10% to 20% every year over 5 years ) leading to eventual 0%.

Car dealers have time to offload all their existing stock and adjust their pricing.

AP gets abolished.



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post Jan 22 2014, 08:52 AM

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Pekema? Sounds like Pukima
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60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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QUOTE(chronous @ Jan 22 2014, 08:52 AM)
Pekema? Sounds like Pukima
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QUOTE(pawnx @ Jan 22 2014, 10:01 AM)
60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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agreed!
pergi mati! keep on filling their pockets at the expense, "protecting bumi".
protecting my ass, when u leeching your own race money, and pretty much everyone else!
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QUOTE(sunblaze @ Jan 22 2014, 08:51 AM)
simple solution is to do a steady reduction (e.g. today's AP fees -10% to 20% every year over 5 years ) leading to eventual 0%.

Car dealers have time to offload all their existing stock and adjust their pricing.

AP gets abolished.
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As a malaysian citizen and a malay i suport this because ap only benefit a few people...
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Mustapa later denied that the government was “backtracking” on its decision to halt the AP policy — which is seen as largely benefiting a small section of the Bumiputera community — saying that Putrajaya had found the issue to be more “complicated” than it initially thought.


Too many dirty fingers in the pie maybe.
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takkan nak hidup atas ap saja. improve laaa
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Bumi dealers? Wujud kah mereka..

Mutiara motor je yg aku tau.
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post Jan 22 2014, 09:10 AM

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why car buyer have to support ap holder?
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AP = is all about enriching the few and enslaving the rest.
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QUOTE(chronous @ Jan 22 2014, 08:52 AM)
Pekema? Sounds like Pukima
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QUOTE(pawnx @ Jan 22 2014, 09:01 AM)
60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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QUOTE(pawnx @ Jan 22 2014, 09:01 AM)
60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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sebab yang pakai kereta AP kebanyakan bukan melei brows.gif
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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Jan 22 2014, 09:25 AM)
sebab yang pakai kereta AP kebanyakan bukan melei  brows.gif
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betul jugak. So why not u non meleis stop buying these imported cars for 5 years see what happen? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 22 2014, 09:29 AM)
betul jugak. So why not u non meleis stop buying these imported cars for 5 years see what happen? tongue.gif
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mana boleh, got god car but dont buy is a suggestion that cannot be comprehended
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 22 2014, 09:29 AM)
betul jugak. So why not u non meleis stop buying these imported cars for 5 years see what happen? tongue.gif
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with current mentality local=rubbish, foreign=godlike? most likely never happen
if yes, then only 1% of melei yang problem, rest 59% no care biggrin.gif
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To be fair to the fellow Meles, only 0.001% of them who gets the AP a.k.a tongkat while majority 99% struggle to pay car loan like Yindian and Chinese.

Worst still the 0.001% are not all Meles. Mostly Yindian Moslim a.k.a Mamak.

Even worse is majority Meles still bilis in this whole crap and defend the country from imagination enemy (Nons). Kecian...
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 09:32 AM)
mana boleh, got god car but dont buy is a suggestion that cannot be comprehended
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if meleis can boikot mcd starbucks blah3, i believe the non meleis can too flex.gif

QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Jan 22 2014, 09:34 AM)
with current mentality local=rubbish, foreign=godlike? most likely never happen
if yes, then only 1% of melei yang problem, rest 59% no care biggrin.gif
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no need to buy local as in malaysian cars. Buy cars made in asean, no need AP right?

only vios is god car. Others can go dai
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QUOTE(NismoConcept @ Jan 22 2014, 09:42 AM)
To be fair to the fellow Meles, only 0.001% of them who gets the AP a.k.a tongkat while majority 99% struggle to pay car loan like Yindian and Chinese.

Worst still the 0.001% are not all Meles. Mostly Yindian Moslim a.k.a Mamak.

Even worse is majority Meles still bilis in this whole crap and defend the country from imagination enemy (Nons). Kecian...
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orang kampung, bagi beras 1 kali menjelang GE, syuker 5 tahun, buta on all other things. profit.
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QUOTE(EarendurFefalas @ Jan 22 2014, 09:25 AM)
sebab yang pakai kereta AP kebanyakan bukan melei  brows.gif
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not really i seen lately there is alot had been going up to the standards already....and i respect to them


which bring us to this ...

S.O.S
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orang kampung, bagi beras 1 kali menjelang GE, syuker 5 tahun, buta on all other things. profit.
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That's why DAP is now focusing Sabah / Swak hopefully to help them to bukak the mata.
Sadly I still think it will fail.
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lol

soo typical malaysian

want to change the world

when affects rice bowl, personal being

omfg no HOW CAN !
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 22 2014, 09:43 AM)
if meleis can boikot mcd starbucks blah3, i believe the non meleis can too flex.gif
no need to buy local as in malaysian cars. Buy cars made in asean, no need AP right?

only vios is god car. Others can go dai
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boikot is easy when you already dont patronize that outlet.

non meleis already used to car pricing liao, complain only but still buy la,
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give the AP to all malaysian la..not to certain2 people only..no matter you bumi or non-bumi
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i as bumi say
ahhhhh cancel itu AP ...for the good of all

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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Jan 22 2014, 09:50 AM)
lol

soo typical malaysian

want to change the world

when affects rice bowl, personal being

omfg no HOW CAN !
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you really think those who benefit from the AP want to change anything?
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So basically rakyat (including bumis) suffer high car prices because these kroni want free AP
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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Jan 22 2014, 10:10 AM)
you really think those who benefit from the AP want to change anything?
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they would like lower priced food?
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the baby now grow in to a man but still need susu(AP)
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 10:01 AM)
boikot is easy when you already dont patronize that outlet.

non meleis already used to car pricing liao, complain only but still buy la,
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hmm thats the problem. So how? waiting for the gomen to reduce the price gonna take forever as long as BN is in charge, and as long as kampung ppl exist, i think BN will continue to be in control sweat.gif
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 22 2014, 10:25 AM)
hmm thats the problem. So how? waiting for the gomen to reduce the price gonna take forever as long as BN is in charge, and as long as kampung ppl exist, i think BN will continue to be in control sweat.gif
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even if BN not in control, those guys who are enjoying the APs, you think the opposition no need to convince them to give their support to opposition?

it's all business okay, everyone is out for themselves,

you think PR wont drool when they see the revenue from these taxes?

the fact is, as long we remain obsessed with cars, someone will always be making money out of that obsession.
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Jan 22 2014, 10:12 AM)
they would like lower priced food?
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that's something that everyone wants.
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 10:34 AM)
even if BN not in control, those guys who are enjoying the APs, you think the opposition no need to convince them to give their support to opposition?

it's all business okay, everyone is out for themselves,

you think PR wont drool when they see the revenue from these taxes?

the fact is, as long we remain obsessed with cars, someone will always be making money out of that obsession.
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i dunno, maybe PR got some other tricks. As long as they are not in control, nobody knows what could happen
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QUOTE(pawnx @ Jan 22 2014, 09:01 AM)
60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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tapi yang 59% pun tak buat apa apa.
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 22 2014, 10:37 AM)
i dunno, maybe PR got some other tricks. As long as they are not in control, nobody knows what could happen
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politicians all same color, come to money all humans same color.

turn it around, they not in control they also can promise heaven and earth.


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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Jan 22 2014, 10:34 AM)
that's something that everyone wants.
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nope

property speculators dunwan
bankers donwan
developers dunwan
hawkers dunwan
foodsellers dunwan


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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 10:34 AM)
even if BN not in control, those guys who are enjoying the APs, you think the opposition no need to convince them to give their support to opposition?

it's all business okay, everyone is out for themselves,

you think PR wont drool when they see the revenue from these taxes?

the fact is, as long we remain obsessed with cars, someone will always be making money out of that obsession.
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No need. Most of them support BN anyway. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 10:44 AM)
No need. Most of them support BN anyway. biggrin.gif
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either way, the negotiations will definitely NOT be centered around relieving the peoples burden
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ Jan 22 2014, 10:41 AM)
nope

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I meant it in a way that everyone wants to be able to not worry about their next meal.
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 10:45 AM)
either way, the negotiations will definitely NOT be centered around relieving the peoples burden
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Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place. Just scrap the AP system. biggrin.gif

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government. They will do what makes the rakyat happy. And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income. This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.


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rich and useless want status quo mah, stay rich and useless

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Jan 22 2014, 10:48 AM)
I meant it in a way that everyone wants to be able to not worry about their next meal.
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yup

in general each removal or reduction of price has a counter effect, someone loses jobs, others loses their profit margin and what not. so the folks who get the tough end of it worry about their next meal.

what im in general trying to paint is that, if everyone is protecting their rice bowl it becomes an oxymoron, coz if everyone wants to sell high and own monopolies, who is going to sell low? sweat.gif

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 10:51 AM)
Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place.  Just scrap the AP system.  biggrin.gif 

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government.  They will do what makes the rakyat happy.  And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income.  This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.
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and increase income tax and GST rates, reduce even more subsidies
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Jan 22 2014, 11:01 AM)
one way to solve it is public tender and lottery selection/quota system for used imported cars eg.from Japan (to determine supply & demand)

and imposed only brand principal to be sole importer eg. Toyota Malaysia handle used recond Toyota cars from Japan or other countries (and to provide official warranty, parts, services etc)

ahhhh MITI....simple things like this also cannot think kah
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need to consider major factor of local employment

now a lot of CKD pressure is put to create jobs, employment, songlap also

if PR suddenly make CBU cars so cheap, car makers will scramble to shut down CKDs including proton of course.

then what about the workforce?

you really want those unemployed running around the country?
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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 11:00 AM)
and increase income tax and GST rates, reduce even more subsidies
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Maybe no need. Just cut down on the songlap and corruption, maybe can already. biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 10:51 AM)
Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place.  Just scrap the AP system.  biggrin.gif 

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government.  They will do what makes the rakyat happy.  And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income.  This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.
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Eh joe, PR can overpromise sometimes. Later PR comes into power and don't remove AP, people are gonna rage.
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Maybe no need.  Just cut down on the songlap and corruption, maybe can already.  biggrin.gif
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which means you also have to go after tax dodgers, ppl who pay kopi O for traffic offences, ppl need to start paying for licenses or permits for house renovations and tear down illegal extensions, to do proper architect drawing, approved by engineers etc.


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agreed!
pergi mati! keep on filling their pockets at the expense, "protecting bumi".
protecting my ass, when u leeching your own race money, and pretty much everyone else!
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alot of melei cant understand this shit and still fight with pukemak and umgok
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being back stabbed for so many years yet still being a stupid

(The profit they gain is not just from the car field, etc etc?)
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Eh joe, PR can overpromise sometimes. Later PR comes into power and don't remove AP, people are gonna rage.
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Because of these cronies, we all suffer... fark them la! Better abolish APs. Go work like the rest of us rather than waiting to collect rent.
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which means you also have to go after tax dodgers, ppl who pay kopi O for traffic offences, ppl need to start paying for licenses or permits for house renovations and tear down illegal extensions, to do proper architect drawing, approved by engineers etc.
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They can start with the big ticket songlaps. smile.gif

That's a good place to start.

See Selangor? Since coming into power, PR has greatly improved Selangor's finances.


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They can start with the big ticket songlaps.  smile.gif

That's a good place to start.

See Selangor?  Since coming into power, PR has greatly improved Selangor's finances.
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yes but i also hear a lot of cases where the people are getting hammered for illegal extensions etc. cleaning up the system also means whatever easy way out the ppl ennjoyed last time is also gonna get cleaned up.

big ticket songlaps takes years to successfully stop, easiest with low level small things
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its like they dont even care anymore on hiding their crony status.
scumbags
the lot of them.

pekema
more like, pukimak

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yes but i also hear a lot of cases where the people are getting hammered for illegal extensions etc. cleaning up the system also means whatever easy way out the ppl ennjoyed last time is also gonna get cleaned up.

big ticket songlaps takes years to successfully stop, easiest with low level small things
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It's like fishing. Small ones, not worth the time. Go for the big ones first.

Imagine, no NFC, no PKFZ, no Puspahanas, etc. etc.

Good that things are getting cleaned up, right? Even the small ones.

An illegal extension is what it is - illegal. Those owners think they can get away with it but now are paying for it. Serve them right.
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Jan 22 2014, 11:23 AM)
the public tender lottery system in theory should inflate the price and must be directly bidded by individual buyers only

such barriers will help control the demand and supply for those who can afford it

making principal brand as sole importer will further curtail the market

if deemed too expensive, buyers relents and buy local CKD units lah
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which goes against the populist promise of cheap imported cars for the people

basically something akin to the COE system where you bid to have the luxury of owning the car.

and that means again high car prices, high unemployment if you want to stop CKD and close proton.

what does this achieve?


QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 11:25 AM)
It's like fishing. Small ones, not worth the time.  Go for the big ones first. 

Imagine, no NFC, no PKFZ, no Puspahanas, etc. etc. 

Good that things are getting cleaned up, right?  Even the small ones. 

An illegal extension is what it is - illegal.  Those owners think they can get away with it but now are paying for it.  Serve them right.
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then the populist policy is defeated, if the people come and say, 'we vote for you and now you come hantam us and demolish out things, last time BN no come disturb also''
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then the populist policy is defeated, if the people come and say, 'we vote for you and now you come hantam us and demolish out things, last time BN no come disturb also''
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BN also going after those people lah. Heck, there are some people I also would like to report. Got one dungu built an extension in the back lane, so much so access by emergency vehicles like fire engines is affected.

PR better not be populist to the extent that they close one eye to wrongdoings.
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BN also going after those people lah.  Heck, there are some people I also would like to report.  Got one dungu built an extension in the back lane, so much so access by emergency vehicles like fire engines is affected. 

PR better not be populist to the extent that they close one eye to wrongdoings.
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BN can settle mar, if really clean cannot anymore. BN you know they coming to just for kopi money. If serious PR coming you finish liao, kopi money cannot settle.

seems like they are keen to promise anything until tat extent which means BN style but different packaging.

same same but different.
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BN can settle mar, if really clean cannot anymore.  BN you know they coming to just for kopi money. If serious PR coming you finish liao, kopi money cannot settle.

seems like they are keen to promise anything until tat extent which means BN style but different packaging.

same same but different.
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Good for the country, if kopi money cannot settle. smile.gif

I don't give bribes. If I am going to get fined or whatever, so be it. Not going to buy myself out of trouble.
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Good for the country, if kopi money cannot settle.  smile.gif 

I don't give bribes.  If I am going to get fined or whatever, so be it.  Not going to buy myself out of trouble.
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you are 1 of 25 million?

of coz good for country but are the people really ready for that kind of change?

if not

PR waitlonglong.com
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you are 1 of 25 million?

of coz good for country but are the people really ready for that kind of change?

if not

PR waitlonglong.com
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Yes, if they look at all the pros and cons, I think they can live without corruption. LOL
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Yes, if they look at all the pros and cons, I think they can live without corruption.  LOL
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if it does.........


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60% of malaysian is malay, less than 1% is AP/auto car dealer..
why must another 59% of malay takes 9 years car loan to support 1% of malay? pegi mati!!!
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ahhh only if it doesn't benefit them,

if it does.........
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i guess most of us that support for PR will agree that in order to have a better future for our country , courruption is the first thing to solve , and if that means we cant give kopi money anymroe , so be it . its about long term . Not like some quarter who juz so short sighted and giving support although current government just giving them a little sweets and they sembah them like god dyy
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i guess most of us that support for PR will agree that in order to have a better future for our country , courruption is the first thing to solve , and if that means we cant give kopi money anymroe , so be it . its about long term .  Not like some quarter who juz so short sighted and giving support although current government just giving them a little sweets and they sembah them like god dyy
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thing is i personally witness the race that most want these things to be fixed are still the ones quickest to bribe their way out of it.

it's hypocrititcal actions that are really preventing PR from fully taking over
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thing is i personally witness the race that most want these things to be fixed are still the ones quickest to bribe their way out of it.

it's hypocrititcal actions that are really preventing PR from fully taking over
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typical BN fag spotted , well if PR really taken over and they wipe out all the bribery so be it , i dont mind not paying bribe at all . We as the middle class civilian has to do what we have to do to survive in this harsh unequal country set up with so many tongkats to the certain race .
Well i understand that if i have an advantage (tongkat) i wouldnt like to let it go too , but then see what it does to malaysia in the long run ?
Damn it our GDP used to be on par with hong kong and korea but see where we are now ? corruption is so deep we are in top 10 of d most corrupted country in this world .
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typical BN fag spotted , well if PR really taken over and they wipe out all the bribery so be it , i dont mind not paying bribe at all . We as the middle class civilian has to do what we have to do to survive in this harsh unequal country set up with so many tongkats to the certain race .
Well i understand that if i have an advantage (tongkat) i wouldnt like to let it go too , but then see what it does to malaysia in the long run ?
Damn it our GDP used to be on par with hong kong and korea but see where we are now ? corruption is so deep we are in top 10 of d most corrupted country in this world .
well i m going for lunch now
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lol terasa
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haha admit the tongkat and no shame about it
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ya terasa , just like u .
haha admit the tongkat and no shame about it
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QUOTE(NismoConcept @ Jan 22 2014, 09:42 AM)
To be fair to the fellow Meles, only 0.001% of them who gets the AP a.k.a tongkat while majority 99% struggle to pay car loan like Yindian and Chinese.

Worst still the 0.001% are not all Meles. Mostly Yindian Moslim a.k.a Mamak.

Even worse is majority Meles still bilis in this whole crap and defend the country from imagination enemy (Nons). Kecian...
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Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place.  Just scrap the AP system.  biggrin.gif 

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government.  They will do what makes the rakyat happy.  And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.
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There are only about 20k to 50k APs sold per year, which means hardly anyone is buying a car that requires an AP. How can removing AP make the public happy? Perhaps people have been confused by excise tax, import duty and AP. I suspect they have no interest in AP removal at all, except to stop certain quarters from robbing the rich.....

’The total number of APs issued was 51,559 in 2004, decreasing to 27,838 in 2007. But in 2008, it spiked to 40,886 before being reduced again to about 20,000 in 2009.’

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx/?file...6411&sec=nation

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There are only about 20k to 50k APs sold per year, which means hardly anyone is buying a car that requires an AP. How can removing AP make the public happy? Perhaps people have been confused by excise tax, import duty and AP. I suspect they have no interest in AP removal at all, except to stop certain quarters from robbing the rich.....

’The total number of APs issued was 51,559 in 2004, decreasing to 27,838 in 2007. But in 2008, it spiked to 40,886 before being reduced again to about 20,000 in 2009.’

http://www.thestar.com.my/story.aspx/?file...6411&sec=nation
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Here, go read -

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/malaysi...tand-ap-system/

Rafizi says Mukhriz does not understand AP system
BY CLARA CHOOI
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SEPTEMBER 14, 2012
Rafizi (second from right) speaking at the public forum in Kuala Lumpur on September 13, 2012. With him are other members of the panel. Rafizi said people are forced to buy cars because of the poor public transportation system. — Pictures by Choo Choy May
Rafizi (second from right) speaking at the public forum in Kuala Lumpur on September 13, 2012. With him are other members of the panel. Rafizi said people are forced to buy cars because of the poor public transportation system. — Pictures by Choo Choy May
KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 14 — PKR’s Rafizi Ramli last night scoffed at Datuk Mukhriz Mahathir’s rebuttal to Pakatan Rakyat’s (PR) plan to reduce car prices, mocking the deputy minister for his alleged lack of understanding of “how cars are sold” and the government’s Approved Permit (AP) system for imported vehicles.

The PKR chief strategist, when kicking off PR’s forum series for its “Reduce Car Prices” campaign here, said it was clear that Mukhriz, the son of former Prime Minister Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad, “certainly does not understand the open market mechanism”.

“We have waited over two months for a response from Mukhriz to our proposal. He is the one who controls the AP system... two months and I had already given up hope.

“But now he has responded strongly on the basis of saying that our suggestion to auction the APs will not reduce car prices. I am sure Mukhriz does not understand how cars are sold.

“I don’t think he even understands the AP system and certainly does not understand the open market mechanism... he has been confined to a controlled environment for too long,” Rafizi told the public forum at the Kuala Lumpur Selangor Chinese Assembly Hall.

As a part of PR’s plan to slash the triple tax burden imposed on cars sold in Malaysia, PKR had in July proposed auctioning off APs for imported vehicles through an open bidding process in the first three years under PR’s rule before abolishing the system entirely in 2015.

When announcing the proposal, Rafizi had explained that if an estimated 70,000 APs are awarded every year, the auction should fetch more than RM3 billion in revenue annually for the government.

This, he explained last night, would help compensate for part of the RM7 billion in annual losses expected from PR’s plan to slash excise duties, which currently run as high as 105 per cent.

But in his response to the suggestion earlier yesterday, Mukhriz had criticised the idea, saying that it goes against logic as an auction would only cause the price of each AP to go higher than the current RM10,000 that the government currently charges.

Rafizi, however, repeated that the auction would help raise government income, which could in turn compensate for the potential losses from the PR plan to cut excise duties.

Explaining further later, his PR colleague from the DAP, Petaling Jaya Utara MP Tony Pua, pointed out that by auctioning off APs, the income from the sale of the permits would go directly into the government’s pockets.

“When we auction off the APs, those genuinely importing cars will still continue to purchase the permits and the government gets the money, instead of the middlemen who have special access to these APs.

“We all know that 80 per cent of APs go to 20 per cent of the companies applying for them,” he said.

During the forum, which was also attended by panellists Dr Dzulkefly Ahmad, the PAS Kuala Selangor MP, and IDEAS chief executive Wan Saiful Wan Jan, it was also explained that PR’s plan to slash car prices would not translate into a greater population of cars on Klang Valley’s already crowded roads.

Pua pointed out that the current “vehicle-to-individual” ratio in the Klang Valley has already surpassed one vehicle to a person, jokingly pointing out that “when a baby is born, that child already has a car”.

He explained that with this in mind, this meant that the reduction of car prices would not increase the density of vehicles on the road as an individual could only drive one vehicle at a time.

“So even if you decided to purchase another car, the ratio on the road is already one vehicle to a person... how many cars can you drive at any one time? You can only drive one car at a time,” he pointed out to laughter from the audience.

Rafizi had earlier explained this as “transportation elasticity”, which he said was a measurement of the likelihood that an individual would decide to purchase a vehicle or opt for public transport based on a variety of variables.

He pointed out that at present, the high rate of vehicle ownership in Malaysia was largely due to the poor public transportation system, making it a “necessity” for an individual to purchase cars.

Should public transportation be improved, Rafizi said it would no longer be a necessity to own vehicles and the reduction of car prices would eventually be translated into an interest to “upgrade” current vehicles.

“After all, we know that even though half of those in the Klang Valley earn incomes of less than RM2,000, they tend to own cars.

“Meaning, this has nothing to do with being poor or rich, they are forced to own cars because of the poor transport system. Therefore, lowering car taxes will not mean they will buy more cars, it only means they might upgrade,” he said.

Concurring with Rafizi’s view, Pua said the government could opt to spend some RM1.5 billion to increase the number of buses plying Klang Valley roads to reduce traffic congestion, instead of the estimated more than RM50 billion for the Klang Valley MRT project, the country’s most expensive infrastructure project to date.

He pointed out that in Singapore, which has a land mass that is smaller than the Klang Valley but a similar population size, there are some 3,300 buses on the streets, on top of its “fantastic MRT system”.

“Here, we only had 800 and this year, we increased to 1,000 buses... and we are a more dispersed population but we have a tremendous shortfall in buses,” he said.

Rafizi also earlier also raised a suggestion to introduce a “car scrap policy” in Malaysia once PR’s policies are rolled out, pointing out that the increasing volume of cars on the road (10.3 million in the Klang Valley) was largely due to a lack of such a policy.

Under a typical car scrap policy, a vehicle that is 10 years old would have to be sold off to be reconditioned.

“But at present, a car scrap policy cannot be implemented due to the huge microeconomic impact on the people because cars are now just too expensive for people to buy again every every five or 10 years,” he said.

During the forum, Dzulkefly also pointed out that PR’s plan to reduce car prices by slashing taxes would ultimately help reduce household debt, which currently stands at RM653 billion, or 80 per cent of the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP).


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When announcing the proposal, Rafizi had explained that if an estimated 70,000 APs are awarded every year, the auction should fetch more than RM3 billion in revenue annually for the government.

This, he explained last night, would help compensate for part of the RM7 billion in annual losses expected from PR’s plan to slash excise duties, which currently run as high as 105 per cent.
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Rafizi wanted APs to remain. He did not want to abolish or do away with APs.

I think he was aware that more and more medium to high end cars are assembled in this region, so fewer APs may be sold to offset the loss of government income due to excise tax reduction. I will be glad to see him running a virtual auction to gauge how much people are willing to pay, and show us a trend from now till the next election.

Historically about 30k APs are sold per year. If it turns out people are willing to pay the publicized historical price of 10k MYR per AP, the revenue from APs is about 300m MYR per year. Divide it by 500k non-AP cars sold per year, in average excise tax reduction for each new car is 600 MYR. Proton probably did a much better job with its SV models...

May be the auction should instead be accompanied by a monthly lucky draw or lottery. 1000 winners in each draw. Each winner gets a 25k MYR excise tax reduction voucher. smile.gif Then 2.4 percent of the new car buyers can be happy, rather than all feeling cheated...

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in the end , i read this sort of hypocritical reporting i give up on cheap cars in malaysia

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MAA today announced the Total Industry Volume achieved in 2013 – essentially how many cars were sold in Malaysia last year. The grand figure has come up to 655,793 motor vehicles, which is a new record and represents a 4.5% growth over 2012′s 627,753 motor vehicles and ahead of MAA’s initial TIV forecast which was 640,000 motor vehicles.

The 655,793 number consisted of 576,657 passenger vehicles and 79,136 commercial vehicles, an increase of 4.4% and 4.7% over 2012 numbers respectively.


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To be fair to the fellow Meles, only 0.001% of them who gets the AP a.k.a tongkat while majority 99% struggle to pay car loan like Yindian and Chinese.

Worst still the 0.001% are not all Meles. Mostly Yindian Moslim a.k.a Mamak.

Even worse is majority Meles still bilis in this whole crap and defend the country from imagination enemy (Nons). Kecian...
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Bahaya ko cakap camtu.

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Rafizi wanted APs to remain. He did not want to abolish or do away with APs. 

I think he was aware that more and more medium to high end cars are assembled in this region, so fewer APs may be sold to offset the loss of government income due to excise tax reduction. I will be glad to see him running a virtual auction to gauge how much people are willing to pay, and show us a trend from now till the next election.

Historically about 30k APs are sold per year. If it turns out people are willing to pay the publicized historical price of 10k MYR per AP, the revenue from APs is about 300m MYR per year. Divide it by 500k non-AP cars sold per year, in average excise tax reduction for each new car is 600 MYR. Proton probably did a much better job with its SV models...

May be the auction should instead be accompanied by a monthly lucky draw or lottery. 1000 winners in each draw. Each winner gets a 25k MYR excise tax reduction voucher. smile.gif  Then 2.4 percent of the new car buyers can be happy, rather than all feeling cheated...
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Since you suggested the amount is so minuscule, why not do away without it entirely? biggrin.gif

Rafizi or rather PR plans to abolish the AP system entirely by 2015. Whereas looks like BN will keep it for a while longer.

Here, this article explains things better, why cars would be cheaper with an open auction of APs.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...z-on-ap-system/

Rafizi schools Mukhriz on AP system
G Vinod | September 14, 2012

The PKR strategic director explains to the deputy minister on how auctioning approved permits (Aps) to import cars can help slash car prices.

PETALING JAYA: International Trade and Industries Deputy Minister Mukhriz Mahathir seems genuinely oblivious on how auctioning Approved Permit (AP) to import cars can help reduce car prices, said PKR’s strategic director Rafizi Ramli today.

Yesterday, Mukhriz said he was baffled by Rafizi’s suggestion that auctioning AP would help reduce car prices.

“His logic really baffles me. On one hand, he says he wants to bring down car prices. On the other, he says we should auction APs.

“He hasn’t explained how to bring car prices down when [it is priced at] RM50,000 to RM60,000 per AP. So what does a [Toyota] Camry cost by the time he’s done with that?” he had said.

Rafizi, in an attempt to school Mukhriz on the matter, cited Petaling Jaya MP Tony Pua’s experience in purchasing a Nissan Juke for RM100,000, using the latter’s entitlement to an AP.

“Pua was lucky to have been able to buy the car at RM100,000. If he had bought it from a local car dealer, the price would have been RM160,000.

“The RM60,000 difference between buying from an importer and importing yourself (because you have an AP) is the impact of the opaque AP system which has pushed car prices very high,” he said.

In an auction process, Rafizi said Pua would have placed a bid, taking into consideration of the price he was willing to pay for the car.

“Pua may consider bidding up to RM40,000 for the AP, considering the car price is only worth RM45,000, excluding the taxes. So the car price would only cost RM85,000.


“This is the part that Mukhriz has failed to understand. Unknowingly, he has revealed his incompetence to the whole country,” he added.

However, the PKR leader said the real culprit that pushed car prices up were the taxes, especially the excise tax imposed on cars, as only 10% of the cars sold annually in Malaysia were brought in with APs.

Referring to Pua, Rafizi said the RM100,000 the DAP MP spent to purchase his Nissan was inclusive of the taxes.

“The price of the car, including shipping cost, is only worth RM45,000. The balance money is forked out to pay for the 85% excise tax, 10% sales tax and import tax of 30%,” he said.

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 05:45 PM)
Since you suggested the amount is so minuscule, why not do away without it entirely?  biggrin.gif 

Rafizi or rather PR plans to abolish the AP system entirely by 2015.  Whereas looks like BN will keep it for a while longer. 
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2015 was already announced by the government in 2011. The earliest date of articles linking Rafizi and 2015 AP abolishment was 2012.

http://www.miti.gov.my/cms/content.jsp?id=...cc65cc-acf7f03d

Anyway, I do not think the government gets money from the current AP sales. It can remove APs immediately. I think its concern is who is going to fund the ventures of those AP sellers. They are going to ask for money from the government.
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And people wonder why car price is not decreasing.
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QUOTE(hwt @ Jan 22 2014, 09:35 PM)
2015 was already announced by the government in 2011.  The earliest date of articles linking Rafizi and 2015 AP abolishment was 2012.

http://www.miti.gov.my/cms/content.jsp?id=...cc65cc-acf7f03d

Anyway, I do not think the government gets money from the current AP sales.  It can remove APs immediately.  I think its concern is who is going to fund the ventures of those AP sellers.  They are going to ask for money from the government.
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Yes, but you go see the first post of this thread lah. Seems the government is indecisive. And there are people lobbying the government to keep the APs.

Wow. So, the government doesn't get much money from the current AP sales. Why are we even having APs all this while? biggrin.gif

Why are some people getting so much benefits at the expense of the car buying rakyat?
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By the way, Rafizi and Pua probably left out something from the discussion of that Juke. The ASEAN Juke in Thailand is 80+k MYR. They should be able to buy a similar unit in Malaysia at a slightly higher price, without an AP. If this is higher than importing one from Japan themselves, then they should ask the dealer what they are paying for.

http://paultan.org/2013/11/26/nissan-juke-...iland-1-6l-cvt/

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QUOTE(hwt @ Jan 22 2014, 10:11 PM)
By the way, Rafizi and Pua probably left out something from the discussion of that Juke.  The ASEAN Juke in Thailand is 80+k MYR.  They should be able to buy a similar unit in Malaysia at a slightly higher price, without an AP.

http://paultan.org/2013/11/26/nissan-juke-...iland-1-6l-cvt/
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That aside, what's your take in all this? Do you want APs to be maintained? But you said APs don't earn the government much. So what's the rationale in keeping this AP system?
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profit of it , put into trust fund aka zakat . see they burnnnnn
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I am not an AP supporter. I only wanted to say they could buy an ASEAN Juke without paying for AP. smile.gif In a way, this is to help make consumers make better purchase decisions. Don’t pay for unnecessary things. It is okay to stop some people from benefiting from APs unethically. But consumers should also be reminded they have a choice.
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QUOTE(hwt @ Jan 22 2014, 10:22 PM)
I am not an AP supporter.  I only wanted to say they could buy an ASEAN Juke without paying for AP. smile.gif  In a way, this is to help make consumers make better purchase decisions.  Don’t pay for unnecessary things.  It is okay to stop some people from benefiting from APs unethically.  But consumers should also be reminded they have a choice.
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Eh? I mean earlier lah. When you first joined in the thread. Not even about the Juke yet.
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Oh I see. My first post in this thread was just to say that abolishing APs would not make people happy. Subsequently I had to talk about the effect of not abolishing APs, but channelling the revenue to the government to reduce excise tax. If you ask what my stand is. Then I will say do whichever is preferred, but note that the benefit is marginal. Lastly, I mentioned that consumers often have a choice, which can save them more money.

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why need AP's while the buyer still need

-duties
-sales tax
-puspakom inspection


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another case of kroni Melayu makan Melayu...

and i hear from PEKEMA is...

"DON'T TAKE AWAY MY TONGKATZ!!"

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