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post Jan 22 2014, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 10:45 AM)
either way, the negotiations will definitely NOT be centered around relieving the peoples burden
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Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place. Just scrap the AP system. biggrin.gif

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government. They will do what makes the rakyat happy. And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income. This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.


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post Jan 22 2014, 10:56 AM

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rich and useless want status quo mah, stay rich and useless

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post Jan 22 2014, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Jyunkai @ Jan 22 2014, 10:48 AM)
I meant it in a way that everyone wants to be able to not worry about their next meal.
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yup

in general each removal or reduction of price has a counter effect, someone loses jobs, others loses their profit margin and what not. so the folks who get the tough end of it worry about their next meal.

what im in general trying to paint is that, if everyone is protecting their rice bowl it becomes an oxymoron, coz if everyone wants to sell high and own monopolies, who is going to sell low? sweat.gif

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post Jan 22 2014, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 10:51 AM)
Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place.  Just scrap the AP system.  biggrin.gif 

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government.  They will do what makes the rakyat happy.  And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income.  This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.
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and increase income tax and GST rates, reduce even more subsidies
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:03 AM

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post Jan 22 2014, 11:05 AM

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post Jan 22 2014, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Jan 22 2014, 11:01 AM)
one way to solve it is public tender and lottery selection/quota system for used imported cars eg.from Japan (to determine supply & demand)

and imposed only brand principal to be sole importer eg. Toyota Malaysia handle used recond Toyota cars from Japan or other countries (and to provide official warranty, parts, services etc)

ahhhh MITI....simple things like this also cannot think kah
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need to consider major factor of local employment

now a lot of CKD pressure is put to create jobs, employment, songlap also

if PR suddenly make CBU cars so cheap, car makers will scramble to shut down CKDs including proton of course.

then what about the workforce?

you really want those unemployed running around the country?
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 11:00 AM)
and increase income tax and GST rates, reduce even more subsidies
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Maybe no need. Just cut down on the songlap and corruption, maybe can already. biggrin.gif


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post Jan 22 2014, 11:13 AM

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post Jan 22 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 10:51 AM)
Who knows, maybe there won't even be any negotiations if a PR government is in place.  Just scrap the AP system.  biggrin.gif 

A PR government would be kind of a populist young government.  They will do what makes the rakyat happy.  And doing away with the AP will make the rakyat very happy.

But of course they would need to find ways to cover the shortfall in income.  This, we expect them to do by cutting down on losses and leakages that are prone to the current BN government.
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Eh joe, PR can overpromise sometimes. Later PR comes into power and don't remove AP, people are gonna rage.
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 11:11 AM)
Maybe no need.  Just cut down on the songlap and corruption, maybe can already.  biggrin.gif
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which means you also have to go after tax dodgers, ppl who pay kopi O for traffic offences, ppl need to start paying for licenses or permits for house renovations and tear down illegal extensions, to do proper architect drawing, approved by engineers etc.


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post Jan 22 2014, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(jAkUn @ Jan 22 2014, 09:03 AM)
agreed!
pergi mati! keep on filling their pockets at the expense, "protecting bumi".
protecting my ass, when u leeching your own race money, and pretty much everyone else!
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alot of melei cant understand this shit and still fight with pukemak and umgok
so yeah
being back stabbed for so many years yet still being a stupid

(The profit they gain is not just from the car field, etc etc?)
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:18 AM

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Bila nak berdiri atas kaki sendiri? Ashik 24 jam nak govt suapkan semua bender. Bangang betul. Pasal inilah Malaysia tak Maju Maju sampai hari nie......sikit sikit nak govt support. Jangan stop inilah jangan stop itulah. Macam budak kecik nak susu walaupun dah sampai sekolah rendah.
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(kalandra @ Jan 22 2014, 11:16 AM)
Eh joe, PR can overpromise sometimes. Later PR comes into power and don't remove AP, people are gonna rage.
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Yeah, I know. But at least give them the opportunity to fail. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:19 AM

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Because of these cronies, we all suffer... fark them la! Better abolish APs. Go work like the rest of us rather than waiting to collect rent.
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 11:16 AM)
which means you also have to go after tax dodgers, ppl who pay kopi O for traffic offences, ppl need to start paying for licenses or permits for house renovations and tear down illegal extensions, to do proper architect drawing, approved by engineers etc.
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They can start with the big ticket songlaps. smile.gif

That's a good place to start.

See Selangor? Since coming into power, PR has greatly improved Selangor's finances.


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post Jan 22 2014, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 11:19 AM)
They can start with the big ticket songlaps.  smile.gif

That's a good place to start.

See Selangor?  Since coming into power, PR has greatly improved Selangor's finances.
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yes but i also hear a lot of cases where the people are getting hammered for illegal extensions etc. cleaning up the system also means whatever easy way out the ppl ennjoyed last time is also gonna get cleaned up.

big ticket songlaps takes years to successfully stop, easiest with low level small things
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:22 AM

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its like they dont even care anymore on hiding their crony status.
scumbags
the lot of them.

pekema
more like, pukimak

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post Jan 22 2014, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(rcracer @ Jan 22 2014, 11:22 AM)
yes but i also hear a lot of cases where the people are getting hammered for illegal extensions etc. cleaning up the system also means whatever easy way out the ppl ennjoyed last time is also gonna get cleaned up.

big ticket songlaps takes years to successfully stop, easiest with low level small things
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It's like fishing. Small ones, not worth the time. Go for the big ones first.

Imagine, no NFC, no PKFZ, no Puspahanas, etc. etc.

Good that things are getting cleaned up, right? Even the small ones.

An illegal extension is what it is - illegal. Those owners think they can get away with it but now are paying for it. Serve them right.
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post Jan 22 2014, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Jan 22 2014, 11:23 AM)
the public tender lottery system in theory should inflate the price and must be directly bidded by individual buyers only

such barriers will help control the demand and supply for those who can afford it

making principal brand as sole importer will further curtail the market

if deemed too expensive, buyers relents and buy local CKD units lah
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which goes against the populist promise of cheap imported cars for the people

basically something akin to the COE system where you bid to have the luxury of owning the car.

and that means again high car prices, high unemployment if you want to stop CKD and close proton.

what does this achieve?


QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Jan 22 2014, 11:25 AM)
It's like fishing. Small ones, not worth the time.  Go for the big ones first. 

Imagine, no NFC, no PKFZ, no Puspahanas, etc. etc. 

Good that things are getting cleaned up, right?  Even the small ones. 

An illegal extension is what it is - illegal.  Those owners think they can get away with it but now are paying for it.  Serve them right.
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then the populist policy is defeated, if the people come and say, 'we vote for you and now you come hantam us and demolish out things, last time BN no come disturb also''

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