Hi all,

My wife and I have been TTC for about 4 years. No luck. Early last year we went to TMC, tried IUI 3 times, all failed. Dr. Menon then recommended IVF. However, he left TMC at the end of 2013, so we're in a dilemma about where to go next.

I'm looking at SunFert, Metro IVF, Alpha and Sime Darby Subang (old SJMC).

Anyone have any info on any one of the above hospitals and their success rates.

Thanking you in advance!

Rgds,

andy low at glen e kl, have a quite high success rate, but the price is a bit expensive

You need to take care of your diet, both of you.
Eat more vegetable, less meat.

Sleep enough, drink less coffee.

You and your wife health must be good first.

best ivf doctor in TMC is Dr. Surinder..
he alone is responsible of 50% revenue of TMC IVf centre..

however .. with that reputation , it gets busy when u r trying to see him

Hi sorry just saw your post..and I just dropped into the section looking for some tips and saw your thread

You could try Dato' Dr Prashant Nadkarni of KL fertility (In collaboration with Monash IVF). Me and my wife were successful under his care..

yup. my recommendation also goes to dato dr prashant of Kl fertility.

http://www.klfertility.com/dato-dr-prashant-nadkarni/

though he comes at a steep price.

Wow! Thanks for all the help people. We'll be starting our journey soon. Now trying to keep our spirits up, staying positive before we embark.

I'll keep you all updated.

Thanks again!

So u decided which to go?

And is it normally ivf process comes with twins? Is there gender selection through ivf?..

TTC is a stressful period. Both u n ur spouse need to Chillax n always think positive.

All the best to you.

Hi you can consider Sunfert, Dr Wong. My Husband & I started seeing Dr Wong on Nov 2011 and we are gifted a pair of twins on Sept 2012.

Just sharing some experience, my wife and I did went for 2 rounds of IVF procedure, and still doing it now...
Round 1 : IVF at Sunfert under Dr Wong. Unsuccessful even with 3 Grade A embryos. Still have one frozen embryo there but wife decides not to go back there until we seek second opinion.
Round 2 : Now under Dr Helena Lim at KL Fertility and Dr Yuan at Xi Fertility (they work together). Dr Helena is very nice, and knows that there are much more than just blocked tubes in my wife's case, and together with Dr Yuan, prep my wife and me before even starting the IVF, ensuring the best chances of success (Dr Helena always say, "You must do your "homework" before starting IVF ya...") . It took us 3 months to prep for it... and we are starting the IVF injections whenever my wife's second day arrives (anytime now).

Good luck in your journey TS. You can ping me if you want to know more about the whole process.

This post has been edited by Nitrous: Feb 21 2014, 03:35 PM

Hi u can go for metro ivf as it is much more convenient for working couple as it open at night from 6 pm to 9 pm on mon to fri except Thursday . Dr tee and nurses are very friendly .

Dr helena is very nice gynae. I succeeded conceived and delivered healthy baby girl under her guidance.

Err... you successfully conceived and delivered? But your ID shows that you are a dude....

Anyway, just a FYI that our fresh cycle ET (embryo transplant) was not successful at KL Fertility this round, results came back negative. Guess we will try again, since we have 5 embryos frozen at KL Fertility.
Got 3 more chances to get it right, so hopefully it will turn out better next round. However, with that said, the overall experience at KL Fertility was excellent, Dr Helena is very attentive and caring to my wife, so my wife is happy to continue her frozen cycle at KL Fertility when the time has come...

I used my husband account. So sorry to heard this bad news. My first round also failed, I succeed at second time (FET). FET sucess rate better than fresh because is natural cycle, no hormone injection etc. Dr Helena is my gynae till delivered because she is such lovely and caring gynae although her charge is not cheap.

Hi.. I am married and trying, struggling to conceive for the past 7 years. Now i am crossing 38 years. Have tried many options abroad, but could not get success. i am planning to move to india for the treatment since the treatment is good and also the success rates are high and most importantly the rates are also minimal compared to us, uk and other countries. so, one of my friends is in Chennai, a place in india. looking for the best centre for ivf in chennai. friends pls give me the best suggestions.

Hi all,

Thank you for the replies. Appreciate every single one.

After a few months of thinking, preparing...I think my wife and I are finally ready. We are most likely going to go with Alpha Fertility Centre at Kota Damansara. We felt extremely comfortable with Dr. Leong and we feel that this is the right choice for us. If all goes well, our appointment to start would be mid-April.

Nonetheless, all options mentioned here are excellent choices and I feel anyone TTC should explore all avenues given.

This is going to be our first IVF, I'm 36 and my wife is 31. The doctors were very confident with our chances as the problem is with me , not my wife. She checked out A-OK. However, we are more tapered with our expectations and keeping in mind this is going to cost a fair bit of money, approx 18-22k, I'm cautiously hopeful.

I'll probably be PM'ing some of you over the next few weeks before we start, if we have any questions, if you don't mind.

Some general questions, (Sorry if it sounds too direct, just that I need some info)

1. How old was your better half when doing your first IVF?
2. How much did it cost you?
3. How did you manage the emotional roller-coaster during the month?
4. Did you inform your immediate families of your decision? How were their responses? - I've spoken to some of my family members earlier on, they were unable to accept the fact that we couldn't conceive naturally, their answers were "Just take a holiday", "Need to reduce your stress", "It only takes one", "don't worry, it'll happen". But now they seem to be coming along very slowly. Took awhile and a lot of heated conversations, though.
5. (Sorry if this question is painful) -> If you were not successful on your first try, did the doctor try to explain why?

Thanks again and good luck to all of you on your journey!!!

1. First IVF, I was 35 and she was 34. Just a FYI, the reason why we went for IVF was because wife had both her fallopian tubes blocked, hence no other method besides IVF to get pregnant. But as noted earlier, we have gone through 2 failed rounds, hence we are thinking there are more than meets the eye (literally).
2. Round 1 : Sunfert around 30k-ish, including freezing of remaining embryo and a day-care surgery to remove some polyps.
Round 2 : KL Fertility and Xi TCM Fertility Center (they work together, one Western medicine and one Chinese medicine), 25k-ish and adding up, excluding upcoming FET (Frozen Embryo Transfer) to transfer the remaining frozen embryo at a later date.
Total to date (more to come) : 55k with some spare change to pump petrol and parking, so be prepared...
3. So far my wife has been good throughout the IVF process. Not all women gets hot flashes. She did shed a tear though, when the pregnancy test results came about... so be strong, and encourage her. Speak to those who have gone through the experience, that would help a lot sometimes...
4. No. A few reason to keep it a secret :
4.1 They do not understand the process and what is going on, and will probably insult you for going through that process ("Why do u spend do much on it? Just go for a break la! Don't work so hard." or "SEE! Told you to marry the other women")
4.2 Without realizing themselves, they are actually a burden and a source of stress to your wife during the process. You and your wife needs a quiet time to go through this peacefully, not yapping or nitpicking aunts and mothers... Imagine if the IVF process fails, you'd need to answer to them too, in which the answer probably be "I don't know".
4.3 Further repercussion later on when the baby is born. I know coz I have cousins conceived via IVF, and they nicknamed her the "million-dollar baby". That is something that your kid had to go through unfortunately if they were to know.
5. Don't expect any answers from them. With 2 failed rounds, both doctors are unable to fully diagnose why it has failed (refer to 4.2 as well), although KL Fertility was better managing our expectations by helping us analyze where they think has gone wrong (and next steps to overcome them). There are still powers-to-be which controls human's destiny, and it does not come from the doctor's room or the operating table.

Good luck in your journey.. and all the best to both of you

For couples who are still trying to conceive Keep ur chin up.

And may all of you be blessed with beautiful and healthy babies.

Hi, me and my husband planning to do our IVF with Dr Helena also. I also hope she can really help us on this. My problem is my two fallopian is block too. So seem alot of people here are said Dr Helena is good. So i hope i really choose a correct doctor n fertility center then. Any idea how to prepare our self before proceed to IVF?

Now i really worried my 1st ivf will fail as financial are tied after this. Good to hear that some of you are success in IVF. Happy to hear that.

Thanks

Hi, any idea how much the cost for IVF at KL Fertility under Dr Helena? I afraid can't get a good quality. If you got an extra good egg frozen atleast the 2nd time IVF wont cost you about 15k right?

Thanks

Long post...

Hope I can help, since me and my wife have been through it twice now. Based on our experience of years of survey (started looking since 2012) and 2 failed rounds, Dr Helena is our best choice so far (our personal opinion only). One main criteria is that Dr Helena can speak Chinese to my wife, as she is not comfortable with English. She is also very very caring, and being a woman herself, understands the predicaments that we are going through. However, with that said, your "mileage" may vary since the queue to her clinic is not short by any measure.
One tip, Dr Helena always say, having a successful pregnancy in IVF is like having an exam, if you are not prepared, you are bound to fail, which I do have to agree wholeheartedly with her. Do your homework, prepare you and your wife's own physical and mental health first (healthy, all immunization is done, folic acid, Vitamin D + Calcium sufficient, thalassemia tested, no STD or hepatitis, reduce caffeine intake etc etc), and ensure that a full diagnosis is done first before jumping into the IVF procedure (blocked tubes, hyperactive immune system, uterus lining, sperm issues?). If Dr Helena wants to do further tests, please do follow her advise.
Just a tip which many do not know, KL Fertility have occasional IVF preparation/information talk, this is a good place to get more info and have a short talk with the embryologist and doctors, and have a short tour of the facilities. It is a great place to start, and can put your mind at ease on what to prepare for the IVF. Call them up to see if you can get into one of them... there might be a surprise waiting for you guys there

For IVF, it is about RM15k but it has increased since (cashier have a notice about cost increase recently in March 2014). Note that the RM15K is only until first fresh transfer of embryos, anything besides that require more $$. For example, if you have extra embryos to be frozen (very likely you will have extra, you are not going to throw away those embryos right?), it will cost more $$ (I think about 2K per year) to freeze them. RM15k also does not cover any diagnosis or tests that needs to be done prior to starting IVF (but covers consultations during the IVF process). It also does not cover additional supplements that your wife or you need to take to boost egg/sperm production if required. Lastly, any deviation from the standard IVF procedure also require $$, for example:
1) ICSI step cost additional $$
2) laser assisted hatching too (if required)
3) Uterine scratching process
4) Baby aspirin
5) Folic Acid
6) dan lain-lain...
Sad to say, if you only have RM15K to do IVF, it may not be sufficient to carry on the whole process.

However, extra embryos which were frozen can be re-thawed at a later date, and also will be cheaper to put back, about RM3-4k per round, and this continues until you use up all the frozen embryos. Then the whole process starts over again.

You mean good quality eggs or embryos? Usually embryos that are medium to good quality are frozen, as low grade ones will not survive the freezing and thawing. If you are worried about the eggs quality, and if you are going to KL fertility, I suggest to pay a visit to next door Xi Fertility TCM center, they are Chinese herbalist and acupuncturist specializing on fertility. Dr Helena can only western-styled medicine and advise on supplements to improve the egg quality, but Xi Fertility uses Chinese medicine to "re-tune" back the body to produce better quality eggs. My wife went to both, to get the best of both worlds. Your file can be moved between KL Fertility and Xi Fertility, thus Dr Yuan (from Xi Fertility, she is a certified gynae, but practicing Chinese medicine) can assess what are the improvements required (based on ultrasound imaging and Dr Helena's notes) and act upon them from Chinese medicine perspective. Go google on acupuncture/TCM with IVF process, you can learn more on them.

Good luck to all!

Their package is 17k up to blood test to confirm pregnancy. Storage fee is another cost. I spend almost 25k to conceived. This included pre ivf package kind testing and consulation, ivf fresh cycle 17k, embryo storage fee and frozen embryo transfer 3.5k

Hi, 17k is normal package? 25k so much? 25k to spent is for 1st time?

Agreed with Nitrous on the reasons not to share with others. No one will understand what IVF is until they go through it themselves (not that I wish it upon on anyone else)

I am currently undergoing my 1st IVF procedure now with Dr. Wong from SMC.
Quite anxious & excited that my ET will be carry out in 2 days time. And to find out the result in 2 weeks time.

The IVF will cost approximately RM15,500 (inclusive of all injections plus supplement to support the procedure). Storage of FE is free for the 1st 3 month and will cost RM1k for a year. FET will cost RM4.8k

I don't include any blood test/health screening cost as it is paid for by the company & part of my annual checkup.

Agreed to Shleesy and nitrous. One of colleague who believe natural conceive and she is lucky to has own baby based on her planning, advise me not to do ivf because baby would not feel warm and love from daddy and mommy. She even said those hormone injection may cause cancer to mother, why we still wanna to try out. I was so angry, No one will pour hard earn money and roller coaster emotion if can conceive naturally. Just another point to add: be prepare at least rm25k before start do ivf. Reason is not everyone success in first ivf. I already prepared 2 trial before I start ivf process. I feel sad when I failed for first round but I proceed second round after rest one period cycle.

This post has been edited by duhdude: Apr 1 2014, 09:15 PM

I do 2 time, first is ivf second round is fet. Ivf package is 17k, frozen embryo cost 1.8k and frozen embryo transfer cost 3.5k and consultation/blood test prior start ivf. If you have extra embryo to freeze, you just need to pay storage fee and embryo transfer fee for next trial. I pray so hard wish to have good quality and extra embryo to freeze so I no need to spend another 17k.

This post has been edited by duhdude: Apr 1 2014, 09:21 PM

SMC cost is cheaper than kl fertility. The bad thing is dr Wong too busy and always long waiting time. My friend suceess to conceived for her first ivf under dr Wong.

Hi, yes agree with you. Wish you good luck and wish to hear good news from you soon. cheers. Keep us posted how your IVF. Hmm...me planning to do it on June. Let my chinese doctor check and see if i still not ready yet maybe will postpone it to July or August.

Hi, i heard Dr Tee Metro is good. But his schedule also quite pack so abit difficult to make appointment. Yes, agree KL Fertility is expensive but hope Dr Helena is good.

Thank you all for your kind words.

Megane5439,
My wife and I have only met 2 doctors, Dr. Menon and Dr. Leong (Alpha Fertility). Both are excellent, however Dr. Menon does not do IVF anymore. I can't say for anyone else, but I'm sure all of them are exceptional in their fields! Go with any doctor whom you feel comfortable asking questions to.

If you are thinking of doing IVF, usually the hospitals would have IVF counselling, ask anything there. No holds barred! Mentally, I guess you would need to be prepared to do more than 1 round of IVF. Always hope for the best, though. You will start having sleepless nights thinking about "will it work?", "what if it doesn't?", "It's going to be very expensive", "how do we keep our spirits up?". I know, currently going through that.

Meditation, prayer, being around friends and even focusing your energy on your work or any other activities does help, albeit temporarily. Just remember, once it works, looking back 1 or 2 years, it would all be worth it.

Stay positive and happy always!

Nitrous,

Thank you for your advice, it couldn't be truer! Families can be really toxic at times, I can totally relate. My wife shed a tear when we read that your IVF cycles didn't work, we wish you all the luck in the world for the next.
We'll be starting our first cycle on the 15th, so we're nervous, hopeful and scared.

We'll update more once we start.

Thanks for the advise and i will get prepare myself 1st for this two month. And if ready i will go do it by June. Yes, i will try to relax.

The emotional roller coaster ride could break one spirit down, so please be prepared.

I was supposed to have my ET done last week, but it got canceled on the morning because none of the 18 fertilized eggs grow to the ideal cell count. (Ideally 8c)

Am I devastated? Not really. Perhaps it's because I've a very supportive partner & I'll bounce back soon and eventually find the next path.

May those who plan/undergoing IVF have your baby dream realize very soon.

anyone consulted with raja bomoh? Maybe he can help with his skilled sampan ceremony? LOL....

If still fail...don't give up. Adoption is another alternative that is viable. Just make sure don't buy baby illegally.

Hi all, what blood test normally doctor will ask to do before heading to IVF journey? Vitamin D i know it a must. How about LH & FSH and other hormonal test? Insulin and etc ... any advised on this for those already go through their IVF.

Thanks

The most recent blood test requested by my doc before the IVF.

Full blood count
Blood group
HIV 1 & 2
Hepatitis B
VDRL (STD)

But then again, your doctor may require more as I've underwent laparoscopy surgery with the same doctor before, so there is no need to test on FSH & LH.

For husband are mainly :
Blood group
HIV 1 & 2
Hepatitis B
VDRL (STD)
as mentioned by shleesy earlier...

For wife :
Blood group
HIV 1 & 2
Hepatitis B
VDRL (STD)
Vitamin D/folic acid?
Antinuclear antibody & Lupus marker (need to be sent to Australia)
Insulin resistance
LH & FSH (2nd day and prior to transfer)

Think that's about it, will add if I remember them.... there are some costs involved in these tests, which are outside of the bundled price, thus be aware of this...

This post has been edited by Nitrous: Apr 10 2014, 11:57 AM

Another good doctor for IVF, Dr.Eeson from Pantai Medical. Very caring and understanding doctor. Takes extra effort to ensure all is good.

Hi all,

If period is not stable is it not suitable to proceed IVF? As my period is some kind of confusing. As we do IVF need to go visit the doctor on day 2 right? The problem is if period not stable we don't know which day is day 2.

Unstable as in like you don't know which is Day 1 or Day 2?
Sorry, can't help here as this is out of my knowledge area for IVF, my wife always know when Day 1 is (I always assumed women will know this something to do with using a different kind of sanitary pads, but that is just the lame old me).
Yes, you would need to go to visit the doc on Day 2, to scan for availability of the eggs for that month (the doc would estimate the no of eggs to be produced). Try to check with the gynae for her advise.
Good Luck in your IVF!

This post has been edited by Nitrous: Apr 23 2014, 07:57 PM

For IVF, the rule of thumb is call & make appointment on Day 1 of your period. (Note: Heavy menses, spotting is not consider Day 1 of period.) Nobody expect you to make your appointment 1-month in advance.

The doctor/ nurse will then schedule to see you on Day 2/3.

Anyway, irregular period could be due to PCOS. You will have the option to perform laparoscopic surgery (then try naturally) or proceed to IVF, depending on how serious your condition is.

Hi, thanks for the advised.

I have managed to attach under dr.halena previously during my OBGYN posting and i reckon she is very good in what she is doing. She takes her time to explain what is needed and things are taken one step at a time. For those with high risk pregnancy they do work together with FMGC at jaya one, whereby there are three fetal medicine consultants, dr. Raman, dr. Patrick chia, and dr. Yap. They are good in managing high risk cases such as those high maternal age, hypertension diseases in pregnancies and so on. As for dato prashant, we have a nickname for him, he is the god father of fertility. He is the first in malaysia being trained in the UK specifically for fertility.
What I have said above are only my personal view as dr halena and dr raman were my mentors previously and they are highly regarded in their own field of subspecialty.

This post has been edited by Jr.Koh: Apr 27 2014, 11:53 PM

Hi, good to hear that about Dr Helena. I shall see her in 2 month time. Thanks

No issues about that. At the mean time, do prepare yourself by supplementation with folic acid, vitamin D and calcium. Vitamin D is better absorbed in the morning due to low iron meal in our society.

Do visit her website and wish you best of luck in your pregnancy and to mothers out there.

https://drhelenalim.com


Regards,
Koh

Dr Menon left edi? He's good i mean tropicana itself is good for IVF. heard that their IVF success rate is quite high

Try adopting some kids, maybe 2 months old kids. The success rate is 100%

Hi Koh,

I unable to open the link you sent. I was taking some chinese medicine now. As chinese doctor said my body is extremely cold, blood circulation and not enugh QI. so i need to use chinese medicine to solve those problem before heading to IVF. I taking vitamin D n calcium now but i no take folic acid. What folid acid for?

Thanks

Dr.Helena is not really fond of chinese medication as far as i remember back then. But anyhow if its just pure herbs and you are not pregnant i see no issues with that. As for folic acid, it is to aid DNA formation in the fetus and to prevent spinal cord defects such as spina bifida and anencephaly. They are known as Neural Tube Defects (NTD). Do look up on it. Thats why supplementation before pregnancy is important.


Regards,
Koh

But Dr Helena seen very busy recently. She keep on onleave haha...My appointment keep changing date aiks. Would like to check if we are under IVF is it they should come back if our date for treatment is fall on Sunday?

I believe the Lab will be open and the Dr will still come in if it falls on Sun, they do not work on Mon-Sat schedule, but more in-tune of the women's "schedule". Call them up and double check with them, they can explain it further.

Hi there, I just wanted to share with you a site that could help your wife track her ovulation period for fast conceiving and you can also have the gender you want for your baby. It is just a free site and very helpful, I hope this can help you too. http://www.ovulation-predictor.org/

This post has been edited by Ayen85: Jun 26 2014, 07:05 PM

Hi, for those who done their IVF under Dr Helena or KL Fertility. Would like to check the whole package what blood test they will include in. I heard normally before the 1st injection they shall done a proper blood before proceed further. Am i right?

How the procedure in KL Fertility, can anyone here shall out?
Thanks and appreciated that.

I going for my 1st IVF for this coming circle. Heart beat quite fast cos is 1st time haha...wondering how to whole procedure. Wish i can get a better result. and also hope that can have more frozen to stall.

My wife was under Dato' Prashant and not Halena, so I can only comment on KL Fertility experience.

OK, blood test, they will draw some blood from the wife and test... usually for hormones to ensure the hormones are level. Its located IIANM, level 3 same building. Will have do this quite often and my wife hated it as rrr.had a bad exriance in drwing blood.

Once the blood test is OK, the course commence where you have to take injections for 10 days, same time everyday. I remember during early mornings I had to jab my wife..lol...blur blur..wife face so scared..kekeke...but after a few times you will be fine. There are 2 types of injection..once is synthetic, comes in like a diabetic pen style injector, the other more old school ..have to mix 2 vials and then inject using a small syringe, everyday also. The first one is much easier to work with.

After taking injections..just before the eggs extraction, got 2 extra injections that have to take. Those are rather big syringes... But luckily only 2. The egg extraction is done in same building and its actually quite quick. Will go under anesthetic..and the whole extraction process took like 1 hour. Wife was blur after coming out..so need some time to rest after that. Overall its a half day process. Normally according to Prashant, he takes about 8-10 really good sized eggs. Once extracted and inseminated, you will have 2 choices..either..to implant on 3rd day or wait till next month for the body to heal up. Best is to consult Dr Halena which is best. We tried both and I wont tell you which work. . Additional eggs/embryos can be frozen (additional charges apply). Best is to freeze the better ones, i.e day 5 blastocyst.

After implant, I remember wife had to take some pills ...and insert also. About 10 days later....you will have to go do a urine test. If positive, you do blood test to confirm. If negative......just remember its not the end of the world. Miracles happens in many ways.

Good luck and I am sure you are probably in the best hands in this field. Which reminds me I have to send a thank you not to KL Fertility as my boy is due next 3 weeks.

This post has been edited by gladfly: Jun 30 2014, 09:27 PM

Hi, i oso planning to go through ivf with dr helena on this coming july circle. Is it true normally fresh embryo success rate for IVF is very low compare to frozen embryo? I also hope i got more embryo can freezing atleast we can use in future. Thanks for make me more happy heard that Dr Helena is a very caring doctor. I hope i can success from my fresh embryo if GOD give hehe...One week to go....wish me luck.

You success under Dr Prashant if fresh embryo transfer or frozen embryo transfer? I planning to visit Dr Helena next Monday to take some blood test if result come out good i will proceed 1st 4 injection. 1st time abit confuse hehe....

My wife had 2 cycles. 1st cycles had 8 eggs only 2 were good transferred after 3 days. results negative. Second cycle, had 14 eggs, 6 eggs made it after day 5. ET 2 after 1 month , i.e frozen transfer. result- positive.

Draw you own conclusion le.

caveat- 2nd cycle we had different injections and had TMC supplements. TMC said wife womb was cold so needed supplements.

Ok thanks. So u use 2 circle of fresh embryo? Oooh .. for the second circle u stop 1 month then only transfer the frozen one? I heard they said fresh embryo normally success rate is very low right? My womb is cold also but i will try to withdraw the fresh egg and see how. Never try never know. That why sometime financial tied very think twice before proceed.

Yes ..my wife and I did 2 rounds of IVQ.

All I can say is..we asked the question- would freezing method have a better chance. Answer: No direct answer, but both are viable. The plus point of 1 month transfer is that wife has time to recover from the extraction. Maybe mentally better prepared kua more relax and better chance?.

Just to let you know...egg quality and sperm quality also plays a part. Doesn't mean when u extract 10 eggs ..all 10 eggs can be viable for transfer. depends on luck if the eggs mature past 3 days. % days will be best..but I think for fresh transfer 3 days is the time frame.

It is expensive the process..and I wish you all the luck. Before you start ..relax, have a good diet...quit smoke/booze and unhealthy food (coffee also restricted ). That's what they keep telling us. You will be given folic acid as supplement. Also if your vit D is low, Vit D supplement via drops.

Just did my vitamin d and insulin test all normal. That why Dr Helena was asking me if i am get ready can come visit her this circle and start the 1st IVF. On day 2 she need draw a blood test a progesterone and estrodiol blood test. If all ok then we proceed for the injection. actually earlier i also thinking of want to implant the frozen embryo.

Mind to share with me if let said we did and paid for the ivf package but the implantation we want to done it the next circle will it be additional charges beside the 17k ?

Mind to share the IVF journey what KLFC will do during from Day 2 till implantation. Sorry for too much query.

Thanks

Not an problem..as I was also blur when I did it with my wife. Its good to share such info around. Hope 1 day maybe you can help someone also.

Yes, the package is for 1 cycle only. 1 cycle means all your eggs used up. If you fail that's it. I don't know if extra charges incurred if you try more than 1 time implant. My case .. first cycle we only had 1 implant due to the fact we had 2 good eggs nia. Second cycle, we were successful at the first try. I know the subsequent implant will be charged at about 4k each time for the eggs kept frozen.

There will be a token discount if you decide to try again if 1st cycle fails.(duno if Halena practice it..but Prashant did).

As for experience, I can give a hubby view nia. Initially Wife did say the injections are quite painful. The trick is to make sure the syringe is at 90', straight in lo. There will be some side effect like bloating and so on, so bear with it. Remember to take it at same time lo..the nurses at KLMC is very friendly and able to guide you guys on how to take injections. You will go back to KLMC for checks and see the progress, where they will ultra scan you to see how many eggs are there. Once 14 days over, you will go to downstairs to do the extraction. There will be a room, and hubby is required to donate his sperm also that day....you will be anesthetized. and egg extraction takes about 1 hour nia. After that, rest abit and balik. They will ask you if you want to transfer fresh or later. If later, they will calculate the next fertile date and ask you come back lo.

It actually a quick process as it went by quickly for me. Don't worry too much, you are in great hands...I have great faith in KLFC people. The queue may be abit long, but overall the people there are great. Most importantly, don't worry too much..and don't put too much pressure on yourself. When our 1st cycle failed, my wife was devastated, but like I said and I believe miracles comes in its own way.

Feel free to ask anymore questions ya...

Hi, which mean on your second circle you all success is using fresh embryo or frozen embryo? If can success in using fresh embryo is consider very good liao lo ... Normally % on fresh embryo is very low...I heard fresh embryo mostly cannot success due certain reason like hormone medicine effect our body or else is women health problem. I also worry i cannot produce more good egg...if can produce more good egg i got nothing to worry liao..hehe. Cos can keep freezing and come back do after 1 or 2 month.
Yes, i got faith with our 1st try this coming week. Feeling nervous but still ok can handle it thanks.

Can i check with you, on your 1st circle failed did Dr Prashant explain to you what is the reason?

It is not easy to pinpoint the reason for failure, for my wife and myself, Dr Helena thinks that the eggs transferred did not implant due to very low marker count in bloodtest (this was a fresh ET cycle). We are going for a frozen ET cycle in Aug, but since our eggs are frozen on day 3, we plan to thaw it and let it grow to day 5 blastocyst before transferring. No idea if that will be successful or not, but I guess our age is catching up hence chances are diminishing for us. Remember that there are a lot of factors in getting positive results, not just a frozen cycle transfer, but I am confident Dr Helena will take care of you very well based on our experience.
Good luck!

[quote=Nitrous,Jul 9 2014, 03:23 PM]
It is not easy to pinpoint the reason for failure, for my wife and myself, Dr Helena thinks that the eggs transferred did not implant due to very low marker count in bloodtest (this was a fresh ET cycle). We are going for a frozen ET cycle in Aug, but since our eggs are frozen on day 3, we plan to thaw it and let it grow to day 5 blastocyst before transferring. No idea if that will be successful or not, but I guess our age is catching up hence chances are diminishing for us. Remember that there are a lot of factors in getting positive results, not just a frozen cycle transfer, but I am confident Dr Helena will take care of you very well based on our experience.
Good luck!

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I will start my injection either this Sat or next Monday. Confusing as my period 1st day is complicated as Dr Helena give me 4 day Gynera pill now period are so stable but i think we manage to get there. So excited hope every go smoothly.

May i know Blastocyst charging extra how much? Any reason why some people need blastocyst? Thanks

Blastocyst is actually a 5-day old fertilized egg, where the embryo forms a ball and the ball is almost ready for implant (hatching), in which the inner mass will become the foetus. We have had failures (twice) for 3-day old embryos, hence we would like to go for blastocyst transfer instead this round, as the embryos would have grown significantly with that additional 2 days (and hopefully more robust) and is almost ready for implantation.
The drawback, is that a lot of fertilized embryos do not survive past the 3-days mark in the lab and become a blastocyst. At the end of the day, the lab's petri dish is never a match to a women's uterus, and the women's body is vastly superior compared to the lab's test tubes, thus chances of the embryo surviving inside the body is much higher than on a petri dish.
I do not know how much extra would a blastocyst transfer cost, we will know when we start our ET. As for yourself, my suggestion to you is to listen to Dr Helena, and seek her advise on your ET preference, as each case is different and she will definitely want the best for you.
Hope this helps...

Sure. I will follow what Dr Helena said but this circle my IVF slightly different as normal IVF. She found out i got Corpus Leteum cyst so she give me on Gynera for 4 days then stop for 5 day and return for 1st injection on next Monday. I was surprise how she can know my period on Monday is day 2 or day 3. The problem is the Gynera make my period not stable so still don't know shall i back to take my 1st injection on this Sat or coming Monday. As i know 1st injection should done on my day 2 period. SO this circle i will try to follow what she said. Really hope our ivf can success. If can hope my folicle can grow according to the size atleast we can freezing the extra embryo.

Wish both of us good luck then. Wish to hear good news from you soon. cheers

Dear all daddy & mummy,

For those who successfully get a baby with ivf please advice.
My wife had ET with 3 embryo 13 days ago. we ask to come back for luteal support every 4 days cost RM320/visit which include

1. Cyclogest pessary: one pessary (400mg), twice daily
2. Crinone vaginal gel: one gel (90mg) daily
3. Utrogestan vaginal capsule: two capsules (100mg), three times daily
4. Pregnyl injection: 5000 iu every four days
5. Proluton injection: one ampous (250mg) every four days

2nd visit with urine & blood test and result is positive
3rd visit also same with positive result.Today we been told to come back every 4 days for the next 12 weeks. Mean RM320 x 21 = RM 6,720

Do we really need this kind of treatment?? after spending about RM16K for the IVF and some more need to go hospital every 4days... This was too tiring and expensive..

Please advice

Hi, which center you done your IVF treatment? Kl Fertility also? IF can afford try go ahead with the plan but cant afford since ur pregnancy test is positive i think u need more is Progesterone. this is base as what i know.

Thanks

i'm with Metro IVF Dr.Tee. For those for gone tru IVF did you really have this luteal support? Before we sign up the IVF consultant told us after ET we have to come back 3 times for the luteal support but now they told us need to come back for another 12 weeks?! I was like maybe because of the roller coaster emotion and tiring to come back every 4 days..

I not sure about this, but Dr Tee is a good doctor i am he got his reason why ask you to come in so many day.

Actually, i just started my 1st injection with 200iu Puregon and 75iu Humog. Feelin nervous but wish my dream come true soon. Can give me advise what injection Dr Tee provided you during ur ivf treatment? You successful using Fresh Embryo Transfer?

Wish u all the best, happy for u.

Hi Scubamy

I'm also one of Dr Tee patients,that's a lot of support med you got there.
I was only prescribed utrogestan pessary 100mgx3 and progynovax2 daily & proluton injections every 4days but still cost me Rm320 each visits.
He will gradually stop the meds during the first trimester.The oral and pessary will stop at 9 weeks and injections may continue until you complete first trimester.mine was completely stopped at 11weeks...
I guess your ultimate goal is to have a baby so a lil sacrifice during these 3mths is bearable right?Better be safe than sorry.

Cheers and good luck.

This post has been edited by michellewcm: Jul 13 2014, 12:12 PM

Good and happy to hear all of you all are success in IVF .. i also wish i can be like you all
Congrats both of u ... cheers

got a close friend to my wife who did this not long ago. if i'm not mistaken they did it Penang coz the cost is cheaper compared to KL. it cost them around 12k-18k if im not mistaken.

the baby is now 8 months old and healthier than ever. will ask them bout the info and will share it here to you guys

If i not mistaken the doctor is call Dr Ng in Lam Wah Ee...i heard he quite famous in Penang. Some are pregnant under him on 1st IVF fresh embryo transfer.

Hi all,

For those who wanted to go for IVF at lower cost, you can go look for Dr. Tham at Ipoh GH. He is a very experience doctor in this field. And the cost is a lot lower than private hospital. If you want more details, you can pm me.

Hi, I'm considering to do IVF since I have been TTC for 5yrs and I'm now 35yrs old with ovarian endometriosis and blocked left fallopian tube. However, I'm concerned of a bb's health conceived via IVF. Heard that cleft is a common defect in IVF bbs. Is that true? Read plenty of forums on IVF but none mentioned on risks / birth defects associated with IVF, apart from the emotional roller coasters.

Any advice anyone? Thanks!

Not sure about this. But as i know when come to a couple unable to conceived naturally IVF is the only way to help a couple. If really got so many risky undergo IVF but u see all the center are full of people who going through ivf.

If u decide what u shud do just dun think too much. This is my advice.

God will show us the way. If ur heart already decided to go through IVF just dun think too much will make u more stress. Hope this help.

I just failed my fresh IVF cycle. So sad ....

I know how u feel, my wife went thru it b4. she was so hurt deep inside but never tell anyone about her feeling including me. Just take care...

Anyway, my wife is going to deliver next week How?

You might not believe it or people will say bullshit but somehow it works for me and my wife.

A friend of friend told to eat Durian..musang king. Eat for 1 week then can start to get intimate during the ovulation time.

Wow...congrats. You all conceived naturally?
You all done IVF before also? Is it true frozen embryo transfer success rate higher than fresh embryo?

Yes conceived naturally...we did try iui and ivf, none of them successful.

Is it true frozen embryo transfer success rate higher than fresh embryo? > Not sure about this, last time doctor told us is grade B for embryo. No success also..

My tube is block .. so i think i cannot conceive naturally ... only IVF unless there are miracle haha.
I still scare to try FET. My fresh put in 8 cell grade 2 embryo also failed. I worried now cause i got same grade same cell embryo frozen. Scare the result out the same.

It is the same problem here as well, fresh ET failed twice with us.
For now, go get some rest as you need to clear your body of all the hormonal injections that you taken, go for some holiday and relax. Nourish your body and ensure that your menstrual cycle has return back to normal before you continue the frozen ET cycle.
Our Frozen ET cycle would take place end of this month (after more than 3 months hiatus, doing Chinese traditional medicine + treatment in the mean time), i'll update if there are any further news

Yes, good luck. Wish to hear good news from you soon.

Your 1st IVF no frozen egg that why you try two fresh IVF?
I wont try now will do it maybe in October cycle cause i scare to another failure again. I doing under Dr Helena she said will try to do some uterus scratching this round but i still scare of failure again. Leave it to god to decide then.

Our first IVF cycle only had 4 viable fertilized embryos, 3 of them were used in the first ET (unsuccessful), leaving only one embryo frozen.
We then moved to KL Fertility under Dr Helena to perform our second IVF cycle, in which 7 viable fertilized embryos were obtained, 2 have been used for the first ET after second IVF cycle (unsuccessful), leaving 5 frozen. Subsequently we had the remaining one frozen from the first IVF cycle transferred over to KL Fertility, making a total of 6 frozen embryos.
We will slowly consume the remaining embryos in our FET cycle, in theory, we should have 3 more FET rounds to complete (if things go well). I guess we all have done our best for now, we can now only leave it to the powers beyond our control to determine the success of those remaining cycles.
All the best to your IVF as well... cheers!

This post has been edited by Nitrous: Aug 12 2014, 11:51 AM

Me also under Dr Helena, also have balance 6 frozen embryo. I hope i still got 3 time to transfer. Just afraid the frozen embryo cant use on my FET. Although i got a good 8 cell embryo frozen but some good grade embryo doesn't work make me feel so sad.

I will try to relax myself and start the FET soon maybe on Oct or November as September i think is too early as i just failed in end of July.
Wish you good luck. Hope we both have our dream come true one day. Cheer

Hi,

Am lying down next to my baby girl and suddenly have the urge to check out this forum. I used to read this forum when I was ttc and sourcing for advice to go for ivf treatmemnt. I have learned one thing is that whatever we do must listen to our heart and take things at a time and relax. Yes.. It might be easy said then done. But hey I went thru the whole process hence thought of sharing my experience here.
I decided to go for ivf after 3 years of ttc and realized that ttc naturally has became very stressful for both hunky and I. So decided to seek for help. There r so many doc in town serious and mixed reviews too.. So, I just listen to my heart and I actually wrote an email to dr Wong from sunfert. Never thought he would reply but I got his reply middle of the night. That's when I told myself I will go with him. Met him and did the test etc... Problem is on my hub..and I am fully ok. So doc actually asked to try iui if we want to but of course he did explained that chances of doing ivf, icsi will be far more successful. Again... I listen to my heard and told hubby I will go for ivf.

The process was tough with all the japs around. But always remember to relax... I didn't even tell people in workplace that what I was going thru... Only family knew. Hence I was taking it quite easy and i have all the support from my family too...took 2 weeks leave relaxing at home.

I was successfully with twins!! One baby girl and one baby boy!! Both hub n me were thrilled as it was one first attempt!!! I never felt so lucky and was really over the moon... Really thank god for such great gift!!

So I guess what I wanted to share here is don't give up or don't think negatively.. Positive and must be strong to take the challenge that god is testing us.. ,ost importantly listen to what your heart tells u. Which doc u r more comfortable with.. When u r ready to go thru this... Etc. it will really helps.

Hope everyone here who is planning to try or on the journey of ivf will be successful like mine!! Spread my love to everyone as whatever miserable period u r going thru soon will be replaced by bundle of joys and happiness!

Glad to see so many mummies having gone through success with IVF. I am seeing many friends around me considering IVF too. Many people nowadays are finding it hard to conceive naturally. What a sad thing.

CONGRATULATION. Happy to hear that. I'm waiting now hope i got a good news like all momies. Hmmm..

I had 3 failed cycle of IVF.
1st IVF mc at week 6
2nd and 3rd ivf, embryo does not stick. None egg make it to day 5
Is really a stressful experience for me

So sorry to hear that.
Wish you all the best in your next run. Have you tried a different gynae from the one that you had your prior IVF?

Hi Cherry,

Which fertility centre you going, mind to share? Hmm...you maybe need to look for another opinion from other doctor. Before do further i think you need to go check all your hormone level and to see chinese sinseh to check any problem with your uterus or body. My 1st fresh IVF also embryo cannot stick is a unexplained fertility but if next round FET i might control my hormone level as doctor suspect my LH FSH or estrogen level too high.

I understand your feeling as is happen to me before too....dun give up sure one day we can make it.
Cheers

Good Day Everyone..

I am under Dr. Helena care now.

TTC for 15 months, no good news. naturally conceive but miscarriage once back in 2012 (have d&c)..

went to see dr helena and found out that I have PCOS.

My hormone test, insulin, vit d result all normal. Hubby test also normal.

Just came back from dr. helena meeting. she told me that next step is to go for HSG.

Can tell me more about HSG if any of you did before.

Although i have not go thru all the iui or ivf yet. I really hope there is someone to help or advice me. because i am all alone. my hubby is very busy with work and have very minimal time for me. and dont feel like sharing or telling any of my family to protect my future baby (million dollar baby issue).

Hysterosalpingogram is performed to check the patency of your fallopian tube and to visualise if there is any anatomical differences that may impair the transport of fertilised embryo to be implanted onto your endometrium.

A contrast agent will be given from your below and it will light up the radiograph and photos will be taken and analysed later on. It may be a bit uncomfortable, you may ask for some analgesic to be taken before the HSG is performed. Do ask Dr.Helena about it. Hope you do not have any allergy towards anything and your kidneys are working well. All the best for your HSG.

Hope this clears off some of your doubts. This is the easiest explanation i can put in layman terminology.

This post has been edited by Jr.Koh: Sep 10 2014, 04:24 PM

My wife did HSG before, as mentioned above, they inject a type of radio-dye into the uterine cavity, and take x-ray of the cavity to see if the dye actually flows into the fallopian tubes and leaks out.
My wife's HSG didn't go well, results were inconclusive and shows that the dye didn't flow anywhere. She also mentioned that the process was uncomfortable (yes there were some pain). Later on, she went for a hysteroscope, the video confirms that her fallopian tubes were indeed blocked by scar tissues and no dye flow through both fallopian tubes.
That conclusion led to the IVF process that we are going through now...

Just happened to read this forum, i too had tried for quite sometime and finally we managed managed to conceive naturally. Stay positive and dont give up! Wish all of you guys that are ttc to be blessed with many bundles of joy and happiness.