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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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SUSAmayaBumibuyer
post Jan 14 2014, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:20 PM)
Bro that article is dated 2012. I just talked with my friends last weekend  doh.gif
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Just like i voted in this topic. We are not properly in a bubble yet. Still a long way to go. Why? Because look at example given peviously in the previous version, kajang still got around 300k landed house. Tell me that is not affordable...but then it is Kajang. But hey, its a house, maybe not in prime location but a house that you can live in. So guys stop whining and buy at this place. I still cant believe people complaining that properties are not affordble in Malaysia.

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post Jan 14 2014, 08:13 PM

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Great as i said buy in Kajang and stop complaining. Still got cheap...ok ok use another word, affordable properties there. Buy before it increases further. As for me i am a nearby KLCC area kind of guy. Easier for me to go to work. So i am not looking in Kajang...and of course i already bought a property of my own thats very near to KLCC.

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post Jan 14 2014, 08:55 PM

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And just saying i bought at 400k and people say it was a bubble back then. So please dont assume anything about me if anybody is trying too.
SUSAmayaBumibuyer
post Jan 21 2014, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 21 2014, 08:48 PM)
when population earn more and accidently bought your MRT high rise say u bought for 575k (like Ucity & vista).. u plan then to sell it off at RM750K lets say... once Vp (and by 2020 according to your calculation taking into account building don't grow old and as new as usual and you wont mind parking RM1.5 MILLIOn by 2020)

means u are paying 6.5 k installment per month for 35 years... u say ok bo.. normally.. for me if i can afford 1.5 million prop would i even bother to take MRT.. High speed train.. KTM... WILL U? come on the public facilities are here to fool and draw ppl to buy when in actual fact even the seller himself wont Utilise the so called public transport.. u are one of the example lor... cant even persuade yourself to buy 1.5 m prop by 2020 how to expect others to buy...

but for rental purposes good.. high rise even in prime area generall have very low appreciation in price coz normally and certainly the price quoted by developers themselves is very high.. but rental purposes ok... but u will have to lock your 600k credit under loan for at least 10 years for long term.. for flipping like seeling upon Vp.. remain vacant for a while
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So most sgporeans who are well of dont use mrt to work but use cars is it? I dont think so. Didnt i gave example of my family house 3 cars but two of my siblings go to work using lrt? What? U think we are all too poor that was why want to use the lrt?

Dont pick on amaya so much lee. I just got a call from somebody offering 660k for my unit. I just dont want to sell. And somebody bought a unit already if u refer in the other forum. I know everyone wants to buy Amaya but it just that nobody wants to sell. And empty units? Of course we only got keys a few months ago. Some just got 3 months ago. Some still wait for defect to rectify..that is why it is still empty but not for long.
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post Jan 21 2014, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 21 2014, 09:09 PM)
i have been asking this same question for a long time...salary increase not keeping up with inflation rate or the property price...so eventually how people can still afford and buy?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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That is why the rich and well off are buying. That is what i see. But dont fret there are good price in kajang 400k good landed house..but people here still complain and wait for price to crash.
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post Jan 22 2014, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 12:15 AM)
Oh... 660k dat means good investment for a 2 roomer.. just day no body want to sell.. those agent loiteting around is who... have u describe how amanya surroundings? The old shops? Near forever living HQ..

just wondering.. how much u can rent out wen you sell to potential buyet at 750k ( this price I believe u sure let go) 3.5k loan.. 2 room..
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Bro dont be jealous laa. There in that same forum somebody just announce that he also bought subsale. Two sales in space of 3 days. Maybe the process was longer than them announcing, doesnt matter. But proves that people are still buying and they do it fast. If anyone wants to buy anything at 660k, u think that buyer dont do research? No need to describe amaya surroundings everybody knows except for the DDD who keeps on harping that price is gonna crash.

3.5k two rooms? Why not. Achiveable in another 5 years with all this inflation going on. Maybe less than that.
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post Jan 22 2014, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 22 2014, 02:24 AM)
Some developers or syndicates engaged re agents to call up owners offer to buy at high price, while they are unloading their unsold units at lower price.

Asking price without transaction is syok sendiri, believe demand is better judged by how fast unit is sold.
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Well if u see my previous post to the bear, quite fast that units are sold.
Anyway ur theory can't be used for Amaya, coz its all sold out. I dunno about the penthouse though. Even all the shops are sold out, but the owner is very rich, he wants high rent and dont bother to let the shops empty unless somebody agree with his rental.
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post Jan 22 2014, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Jan 22 2014, 09:42 AM)
He bought it earlier at RM400k+, loan should be around RM2k above la (can be below). About renting that is another question la. Since I don't think there is good market for renting because of the exorbitant prices and surrounding environment, though the access to KLCC is okay.
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Dont think it is good market for renting? Really? Dont be so negative. U will never buy anything like this mindset. I mean what u think, is not true.
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post Jan 22 2014, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 10:14 PM)
Problem is no one bother to even consider ur rented prop.. btw u mention u also rich and dun bothet bout rent.. u categorise your self as rich and subsequently nothing to do and post here
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Where in the world did i say i was rich? See u dont read properly. It is only the owner of the shops who is rich, the shops in amaya. Read and understand properly bro.

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post Jan 27 2014, 01:49 AM

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U guys really really dont have any idea what really happened in the subprime crisis. In america subprime crisis was a situation where somebody who is bankrupt can get a loan buying a bungalow, get it? Is that happening in malaysia? No! Enuff said.
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post Jan 27 2014, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Jan 27 2014, 02:45 AM)
No ... that's not what subprime means.
SUBPRIME in USA are category of ppl NOT qualified to get house loans. Not just bankrupt. It's bcoz banks in USA got a plan to reduce their risk from subprime borrowers with MBS (mortgage backed securities). They sell this MBS to other investors hence "transferring" the risk. With MBS, they also "average" out the risk bcoz it's a mixed of subprime and prime borrowers.

So in Msia ... are there ppl NOT qualified to get loans, getting loans. YES. They are consider SUBPRIME.
Ppl who uses  REFINANCING to buy another property with 10% downpayment. They refinance one property to buy 2 properties. And then they flip these property to make a huge profit margin. The process repeats until they are holding more and more properties. This is ONLY good when the market is in BULL mode.

Some even quit their day job doing this, living on rents. So their credit worthiness is compromised when they quit their jobs. Basically putting ALL in one basket .... Property basket. They also moved themselves frm PRIME to SUBPRIME category. The Msian banks may be prudent in their loans approval but borrowers were not. They think good times will keep rolling and property prices NEVER drop....  whistling.gif
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Dont act clever la, i am just giving that as one example of an EXTREME situation. I work in a bank, no banks in malaysia will give bankrupt people loan. Understand? Banks in US were not properly regulated, now they learned their lesson.

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post Jan 27 2014, 07:58 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 27 2014, 07:53 AM)
I hv a 70% loan with a bank, my property has gone up 67% now, I try to refinance my property with new valuation but it was rejected, bank says my income cannot support a higher loan. I try 2 banks
It is not easy to refinance as claimed by you
My LTV stands at 43% now
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Correct and if u are bankrupt u will never get a loan. This people in the forum really dont know what really happened in the US of this subprime crisis. Talk talk talk only. That is just the first phase, havent talk about the toxic derivatives yet.
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post Jan 27 2014, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(manapergi @ Jan 27 2014, 07:56 AM)
if property market is to crash, share market comes 1st
oh wai  wink.gif
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Not necessary true. In the subprime crisis in the US, properties were hit first. Then the deivatives that has the mortgages as the underlying, then when all the financial institutions that hold these derivatives realized that they are holding worthless assets they tried to sell them off but cant. Hit their books and then total financial meltdown in the US.
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post Jan 27 2014, 08:36 AM

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I dont need to google this. Know it all by heart already. Basically in line with what i said.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:36 AM

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I was countering people who wants to keeps harping about subprime subprime subprime and how similar to US we are when Malaysia is nowehere close. Sometimes DDDs are annoying like to twist peoples words. That bankrupt was an example because it cant happen in Malaysia.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 27 2014, 10:28 AM)
I really doubt you hv borrowed money fr banks before, IMO Malaysia banks are more conservative than Singapore's bank
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If banks in Malaysia is so bad, then crash will happen. They are praying that bank in malaysia fck up so that the crash prophecy comes true.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Jan 27 2014, 10:40 AM)
Yeah, the demand is there for all first time owners and younger generation. Problem is that non of them can afford the high prices now.
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No worries the generation before that are buying it all, the 25 and above.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:48 AM

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I just notice that case koyak thing in Amaya quote from that beruang...he really do not understand what people post. I never said rental was not good. He really likes to keep bringing that up. I think if the beruang theory is true where if u are rich , they dont bother spend time in forums, then that beruang must be very poor. He sure does write a lot in forums. And i guess today i am very poor for spending too much time here.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(UFO-ET @ Jan 27 2014, 10:42 AM)
Biasalah...
A few hardcore DDD always say "UUU camp says market always up, forever up and no corrections"
p/s : I damn miss the GOLD fella lah, he knows m goin to screw him for th PIGS (Euro crisis)
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I never know about him, but always heard about him from u guys.
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post Jan 27 2014, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jan 27 2014, 10:51 AM)
I agree with you. It is totally 2 difference scenario (if malaysia property market crash really happen in the future). At the point of giving out loans, the banks have vet through the borrowers' ability to service the loan and the borrowers are not "subprime" so to speak. Only when there is a mass unemployment problem, or crazy interest rate hikes like 1997/98 then borrowers will face difficulties paying installment. But there is nothing to do with "US sub prime". The extreme DDD people here are too obsessed with seeing a bubble burst. Every example like sub prime, Euro crisis, Japan deflation, Bkt Beruntung will be related to the next property crash  tongue.gif
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Well said well said. When they are too obsessed on seing a bubble that is when they become annoying.

I mean i already ackonowledge bubble burst already..in bukit beruntong but they want all of Malaysia. Never can admit that prime areas are really doing very well....and really likes to pick on Amaya ( the condo and me).

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