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post Jan 14 2014, 05:18 PM, updated 12y ago

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the only bear (DDD) thread in this forum.

4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market (cybermaster98)
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Nov 15 2013, 11:14 AM)
The collapse of the US housing market bubble emphasizes how important it is to figure out what property is really worth, from a fundamental perspective. Make sure you’re not over-paying!

There are 4 yardsticks to avoid buying in bubble markets:

•Price to Rent Ratio (or Yield)
•Relative Prices
•Affordability
•Price of new builds


VALUATION TOOL 1: THE PRICE TO RENT RATIO

The gross rental yield) is the housing parallel to the price/earnings ratio. Here is a set of rules of thumb for the housing market:

VALUATION YARDSTICKS FOR THE HOUSING MARKET

PRICE/RENT RATIO GROSS RENTAL YIELD (%)
5 20 Very undervalued
6.7 15 Very undervalued
8.3 12 Undervalued
10 10 Undervalued
12.5 8 Borderline undervalued
14.2 7 Fairly priced
16.7 6 Fairly priced
20 5 Borderline overvalued
25 4 Overvalued
33.3 3 Overvalued
40 2.5 Very overvalued
50 2 Very overvalued

But there are exceptions to this. When strong future growth in value is expected e.g in areas where transport infrastructure is being upgraded then relatively weak present earnings can be acceptable.

There are several good reasons why people should pay attention to the 'valuation parameters':

Higher rental yields push the housing market higher

If rental yield levels are high, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is low, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will pay less to borrow from the bank (in order to buy) than they pay when renting a house. Many will move from being renters to buyers.
•Entrepreneurs will find it makes sense to buy houses to make money, i.e., buy in order to rent them out.

Both these factors put upward pressure on house prices.

Lower rental yields put downward pressure house prices

If rental yield levels are low, this will tend to mean that the interest cost of buying a house is high, compared to the cost of renting a house:

•Potential buyers will find that to buy a house involves paying much more to the bank, than it costs to rent a house. Buyers, especially first-time buyers, may have difficulty financing housing. Banks will be worried about over-lending at loan-to-income ratios which mean that a slight increase in interest rates will mean financial crisis for the borrower.
•Entrepreneurs will find that buying-to-let won't pay.

The house price can be viewed as a kind of circle, with houses prices moving from yields of (say) 4% to 11%

•Yields shifting down to 4% would represent danger.
•Yields rising to 11% would signal opportunity.


VALUATION TOOL 2: RELATIVE PRICES

People tend to actively look for cheaper and better alternatives. Where houses are very highly priced, people will seek more affordable alternatives. So if you’re buying property that’s amazingly expensive on a sqaure foot basis compared to its surrounding developments – BEWARE!


VALUATION TOOL 3: AFFORDABILITY

If house prices are so high that few people can actually afford to buy them, then their value will likely fall in future. A reasonable measure of value is a country’s GDP per capita. In a country where the ratio of house prices to GDP/capita is high, it’s a fair bet that houses are overvalued.

Relative to GDP/Capita levels:
•House prices in Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Denmark and Austria seem cheap.
•House prices in the UK, Italy, France and the Netherlands seem comparatively expensive.


VALUATION TOOL 4: PRICE OF NEW BUILDS

If house prices are much higher than the cost of building (construction costs), developers are motivated to put up buildings. So when you see a rush by developers to build, that’s a danger sign. As new supply comes into the housing market, that tends to put pressure on prices. So when house prices are far greater than new-build costs, it's a very clear signal that prices are likely to come down.


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post Jan 14 2014, 05:21 PM

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post Jan 14 2014, 05:26 PM

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The "bubble" has been bursting already for about 3 months. Hope it will recover by around Q3.
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:26 PM

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O no! I became the biggest bear!
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:41 PM

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Me ranked No.2 only ?? agrrhh

Let see how many post before Cherroy closed it..lol

Though I notice there r many thread on GST & RPGT effect on properties price able to sneak through his radar. .rofl
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:43 PM

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Checked with my Thai and Vietnam friends. Our property is still cheaper
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:43 PM)
Checked with my Thai and Vietnam friends. Our property is still cheaper
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this thread is repeated like many other similar thread discussing the same topic.
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post Jan 14 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:43 PM)
Checked with my Thai and Vietnam friends. Our property is still cheaper
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My friends told me vietnam prop bubble burst already. Some declined as much as 40-50%!
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QUOTE(lynforum @ Jan 14 2014, 05:46 PM)
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An unprecedented amount of sales dropout in almost all new launches, some quite bad (dowan mentioned which project but is discussed here in LYN also). Alot of people are selling in subsale now. Some giving generous discounts.

On the other hand, several new launches will be coming onstream gradually, at a much slower pace. Developers expect people will "cool down" from the cooling measures as we are still pretty much at the preliminary stage of "Inflation Uprising" (you guys probably know what is going up again).

Technically, the Malaysian bubble is more akin to a slowdown.

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:49 PM)
My friends told me vietnam prop bubble burst already. Some declined as much as 40-50%!
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I just talked with my Vietnam and Thai friends last weekend. Some are in real estate business too. City prices still higher than us.

Condos can go to USD 3 million (almost rm 10 mil!) In some hot areas
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 05:26 PM)
The "bubble" has been bursting already for about 3 months. Hope it will recover by around Q3.
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Can't see any bubble bursting in the last 3 mths, prices stay stagnant.
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QUOTE(MaxKHOO @ Jan 14 2014, 05:56 PM)
Can't see any bubble bursting in the last 3 mths,  prices stay stagnant.
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Perhaps the so-called "Bubble" in the form of a significant % decrease in total transactions - both primary and secondary.

For upcoming projects, some developers are topping up 5%-20% increment in prices.

The people in the industry is seeing it like this, unfortunately.

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QUOTE(MaxKHOO @ Jan 14 2014, 05:56 PM)
Can't see any bubble bursting in the last 3 mths,  prices stay stagnant.
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some can't differentiate in between "slow down" and "bubble bustling"
the high drop out rate on the new launches are mainly due to the credit tightening.
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 05:53 PM)
I just talked with my Vietnam and Thai friends last weekend. Some are in real estate business too. City prices still higher than us.

Condos can go to USD 3 million (almost rm 10 mil!) In some hot areas
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It did burst in vietnam.

http://www.globalpropertyguide.com/Asia/Vietnam

http://english.sina.com/business/2012/1129/532210.html

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post Jan 14 2014, 06:18 PM

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Main culprit - Banks
Hand in hand work closely with developers to goreng the market.

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Is more likely stagnant rather than burst. Gomen gave too many unpredicted surprises for the past few months. Better save some cash and see how's the market for Q2 and Q3.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:15 PM)
Bro that article is dated 2012. I just talked with my friends last weekend doh.gif
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post Jan 14 2014, 06:28 PM

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I predict stagnant for a few months, then around 4Q 2014 / 1Q 2015 start show reduction in prices of 10%-15%. Full blown crush although nice to see, but quite difficult to achieve tongue.gif
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Malaysia properties will experience bubble burst if there is a significant increase in cost of borrowing, high unemployment rate, very stringent controls by BNM on loans. An increase of 25 to 50 basis point in interest rate will only have small impact on properties.
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the bubble is not busted, just air escaping slowly. not 6m or a year, likely 3-5 years to be fully deflated.

by then, when all the air has escaped which means the pressure achieves atmospheric 1 bar which is same as if outright bursting occurred, we can start pump it up again.

like someone said in other thread, prop flipping is less risky than doing biz, followed by a good reply: close bursa, we all go flipping, no need to work for others or do own biz, simply flip to get rich.

there are good reasons for "boleh" and "boland" - we'll need more than indons, myanmaris n banglas, probably need to import martians and jupiterians to labor here. tongue.gif

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Buy a service apt beside the new lrt extension or upcoming mrt or beside a big shopping mall & u will still make money.. watch out 4 mutiara 482 which is located bside mrt n the largest ikea in south east asia.. chance is Huat Ah!!
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for those who can afford please buy now or pay higher cost in the future. wink.gif
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Rich people can buy anytime. Poor people don't get to buy all the time.
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QUOTE(whyseej00 @ Jan 14 2014, 06:20 PM)
Bro that article is dated 2012. I just talked with my friends last weekend  doh.gif
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Just like i voted in this topic. We are not properly in a bubble yet. Still a long way to go. Why? Because look at example given peviously in the previous version, kajang still got around 300k landed house. Tell me that is not affordable...but then it is Kajang. But hey, its a house, maybe not in prime location but a house that you can live in. So guys stop whining and buy at this place. I still cant believe people complaining that properties are not affordble in Malaysia.

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Kajang terrace hse will start moving rapidly when the rm26b sg buloh-kajang mrt line completes in july 2017. By then with d mrt line in place it will drastically change d way people commute to work daily. Tropicana heights recently launch double storey intermediate terrace hse is at nett rm768k after discount for 22×70ft land. Kajang2 inter double storey terrace hse is fetching rm700k at recent subsale.. both r gated & guarded projects. Lurking closely is neighbor project Nadayu 92.
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Great as i said buy in Kajang and stop complaining. Still got cheap...ok ok use another word, affordable properties there. Buy before it increases further. As for me i am a nearby KLCC area kind of guy. Easier for me to go to work. So i am not looking in Kajang...and of course i already bought a property of my own thats very near to KLCC.

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QUOTE(restful increase @ Jan 14 2014, 08:06 PM)
Kajang terrace hse will start moving rapidly when the rm26b sg buloh-kajang mrt line completes in july 2017. By then with d mrt line in place it will drastically change d way people commute to work daily. Tropicana heights recently launch double storey intermediate terrace hse is at nett rm768k after discount for 22×70ft land. Kajang2 inter double storey terrace hse is fetching rm700k at recent subsale.. both r gated & guarded projects. Lurking closely is neighbor project Nadayu 92.
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Wah! U r more bullish than developers.
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QUOTE(kh8668 @ Jan 14 2014, 07:24 PM)
for those who can afford please buy now or pay higher cost in the future. wink.gif
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Buying for future is a bubble, be it property or commodity.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 14 2014, 08:14 PM)
Wah! U r more bullish than developers.
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Yes i am bullish on projects which r located beside mrt or lrt. Boom or bust, demand will b thr for rental. Better still if got mrt n big shopping mall together like tropicana garden and sunway velocity.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 14 2014, 08:24 PM)
Buying for future is a bubble, be it property or commodity.
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Hie we are here again..version 2 liao.. Q1 slowing liaoo.. dat dude got problem one bought amanya maluri for long term at 575k.. 2 room lehh.. rental yeilds he say not much but he say it for long term investment oh.. funny...planning flip 750k studio 2 room.. he is mad.. bubble wont come wor.. empty units but sold how? Hold ahh?..
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I dun foresee a burst of the whole malaysia. It will be a burst of certain areas and certain segments, especially those overpriced ones. Before budget announcements in 25th of october last year, KL already started to decline. See p5 of the following report to judge yourselves.

http://napic.jpph.gov.my/epsKeyStatistics/...tletWindowsnpbj
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QUOTE(wbyee78 @ Jan 14 2014, 07:26 PM)
Rich people can buy anytime. Poor people don't get to buy all the time.
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They buy all d time.. to invest.. mostly rich staying in high class area.. wont go and stay.. the more they hold the better.. poor will keep renting the invested properties.. dun so confident..even can hold.. money is locked .. rich ppl dun buy cash even they have...incometax sure come one..

If money stuck in invested prop and had to hold.. new prop no chance buy liao... if u guys notice there is a forest reserve after bukit segar a big forest reserve.. who knows development lehh..
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 14 2014, 08:36 PM)
I dun foresee a burst of the whole malaysia. It will be a burst  of certain areas and certain segments, especially those overpriced ones.  Before budget announcements in 25th of october last year, KL already started to decline.  See p5 of the following report to judge yourselves.

http://napic.jpph.gov.my/epsKeyStatistics/...tletWindowsnpbj
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Gs spirit I agree the burst is targeted to inflated high rise and landed in kl and kv mostly... the other mature areas will not be affected or stagnant.. this group of ppl is pure flippers and is our aim.. the low end fliippers will drop out for sure..
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This year is going to a year of

1) many sale
2) but no profit
3) cash contraction

There are significantly more property owner than actual people staying in a property.

Those with excess leverage will have to sell but not at lost but it's not with gain either. They will sell enough to stay afloat. Those who have cash can now cherry pick their property of choice at a stable price. Bank will look for good credit history people to lend.

There will be significantly more seminar/forum/talk by "guru" as a means to gain the necessary cash and show business cash flow so they can buy the right property.

Overall it's a shopping year for me. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(restful increase @ Jan 14 2014, 08:29 PM)
Yes i am bullish on projects which r located beside mrt or lrt. Boom or bust, demand will b thr for rental. Better still if got mrt n big shopping mall together like tropicana garden and sunway velocity.
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As if no more development will be allowed near to lrt or mrt stations.
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What is your criteria to define bubble bursting?

Reduction in transaction?
Slowing down of annual price increment?
Reduction in transaction price?
Stagnation in transaction price?

Bear in mind that this year there are new measures significantly affecting the affordability of properties as well as "attractiveness" of property for short-mid term investors.

So what property is cheaper today compared to last year?
Any DS terrace in Bangsar, Tmn Tun, Tmn Desa, DH, Subang, Kota Kemuning, OUG, Puncak Jalil, BK, Ara D, Kelana Jaya, Tmn Mayang, Kajang, Bkt Tinggi, Setia Alam transacted at lower price so far this year compared to last?
Any Condo in MK, Bkt Jalil, Kota D, Subang transacted lower than last year?



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And just saying i bought at 400k and people say it was a bubble back then. So please dont assume anything about me if anybody is trying too.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 06:01 PM)
Perhaps the so-called "Bubble" in the form of a significant % decrease in total transactions - both primary and secondary.

For upcoming projects, some developers are topping up 5%-20% increment in prices.

The people in the industry is seeing it like this, unfortunately.
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when there is change of policy, peoples tend to hold back, so reduc trans is expected, for me it shld not called "bubble". For the bubble,price shld go south majority and significantly for certain areas, and at least minor 4 othr areas... yet to feel it so far...!

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Jan 14 2014, 08:53 PM)
What is your criteria to define bubble bursting?

Reduction in transaction?
Slowing down of annual price increment?
Reduction in transaction price?
Stagnation in transaction price?

Bear in mind that this year there are new measures significantly affecting the affordability of properties as well as "attractiveness" of property for short-mid term investors.

So what property is cheaper today compared to last year?
Any DS terrace in Bangsar, Tmn Tun, Tmn Desa, DH, Subang, Kota Kemuning, OUG, Puncak Jalil, BK, Ara D, Kelana Jaya, Tmn Mayang, Kajang, Bkt Tinggi, Setia Alam transacted at lower price so far this year compared to last?
Any Condo in MK, Bkt Jalil, Kota D, Subang transacted lower than last year?
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2 mega projects in KV wor.. eco hill & our friendly neighbourhood southville wor.. DSL.. bungloe.. srmi bunglow.. township wor.. DSL selling 430k... flipping to 750k.. so .. u going to buy outskirt KL ? 750K DSL?.. flipping oso wont 750k flipp to how much... 1 million ah..
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New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.


Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583

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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.
Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583
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Wow these are from transacted price?
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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening


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I am doing the same for a few that I am interested. They show the same trends, mostly stagnant or lower.
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Now is near CNY season and usually slow. I think we can see more clearance in March.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 09:33 PM)
Will this bridge tumble to signify property bubble?  #jokingonly

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Jan 14 2014, 09:27 PM)
Wow these are from transacted price?
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if i am not mistaken, these prices were taken from prowall website. Average asking price, if there are auction price posting (which usually below market price) in that particular month, then it will bring down the average price.

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there will be some major slowdown, but not widespread crash. Some areas , some projects, may see discounts.
Cost of living going up, and people force to allocate more on food and less on own property. Unless income goes up drastically.
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2014 stagnant year la? gomen kacau kacau gonna take some time to absorb the effect onto market. transactions reduced perhaps worst to worst only drop 5-10% till end of the year, and firesales snapped up from desperates. den subsequent years slowly pick back up..

lesser transaction doesnt mean confirm no one buy property and drop. a family with combined income around 8k nowadays can still get a 700k property, which is abundant in klang valley. no one asks the fresh grad to only earn 2.7k to buy those high ends, right? just eventually it comes to realisation of ppl to accept old subsales. a house if after all a house, cant avoid it.

Having said that, bubble will definitely come in future no doubt. wait to the time when anything <500k couldnt be found or as the mentioned 700k prop skyrocketted to 1.5m++ only then no Genuine buyers can afford. then it slowly transit to the buyers controlling the market..

Still to be honest, our high rises catches up price way too fast in past 2-3 years, exponential increment which is bad sad.gif Good that also gomen intervene and perhaps help to correct their prices to follow back their original trend line ^.^
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 14 2014, 09:06 PM)
2 mega projects in KV wor.. eco hill & our friendly neighbourhood southville wor.. DSL.. bungloe.. srmi bunglow.. township wor.. DSL selling 430k... flipping to 750k.. so .. u going to buy outskirt KL ? 750K DSL?.. flipping oso wont 750k flipp to how much... 1 million ah..
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QUOTE(sleekx @ Jan 14 2014, 09:20 PM)
New launch prices will be stagnant/increasing slower

Subsale prices has been softening

Bubble not bursting but deflating ever so slightly.
Property Name Year Month Average $/SQFT
Kampung Warisan 2013 8 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 9 667
Kampung Warisan 2013 10 676
Kampung Warisan 2013 11 584
Kampung Warisan 2013 12 584
Kampung Warisan 2014 1 607
Laman Glenmarie 2013 8 609
Laman Glenmarie 2013 9 405
Laman Glenmarie 2013 10 507
Laman Glenmarie 2013 11 466
Laman Glenmarie 2013 12 448
Laman Glenmarie 2014 1 426
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 8 226
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 9 277
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 10 307
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 11 340
Le Chateau Apartment 2013 12 292
Le Chateau Apartment 2014 1 289
One Jelatek 2013 8 716
One Jelatek 2013 9 697
One Jelatek 2013 10 676
One Jelatek 2013 11 645
One Jelatek 2013 12 653
One Jelatek 2014 1 658
Robson Condominium 2013 8 451
Robson Condominium 2013 9 456
Robson Condominium 2013 10 412
Robson Condominium 2013 11 492
Robson Condominium 2013 12 635
Robson Condominium 2014 1 544
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 8 618
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 9 593
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 10 573
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 11 587
Savanna 2 Condominium 2013 12 538
Savanna 2 Condominium 2014 1 594
Savanna Condominium 2013 8 571
Savanna Condominium 2013 9 604
Savanna Condominium 2013 10 550
Savanna Condominium 2013 11 572
Savanna Condominium 2013 12 563
Savanna Condominium 2014 1 583
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It should consider the built up of the property, it floor level and it view facing as well to make it more accurate. Because normally small built up and nice view will have higher RM/ft, lower floor will have cheaper in RM/ft. Besides that, developer will push smaller built up unit in early launching follow by bigger built up unit.

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what we do now will change the future. Buy for your children brows.gif MYR is shrinking
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 14 2014, 10:08 PM)
2014 stagnant year la? gomen kacau kacau gonna take some time to absorb the effect onto market. transactions reduced perhaps worst to worst only drop 5-10% till end of the year, and firesales snapped up from desperates. den subsequent years slowly pick back up..

lesser transaction doesnt mean confirm no one buy property and drop. a family with combined income around 8k nowadays can still get a 700k property, which is abundant in klang valley. no one asks the fresh grad to only earn 2.7k to buy those high ends, right? just eventually it comes to realisation of ppl to accept old subsales. a house if after all a house, cant avoid it.

Having said that, bubble will definitely come in future no doubt. wait to the time when anything <500k couldnt be found or as the mentioned 700k prop skyrocketted to 1.5m++ only then no Genuine buyers can afford. then it slowly transit to the buyers controlling the market..

Still to be honest, our high rises catches up price way too fast in past 2-3 years, exponential increment which is bad sad.gif Good that also gomen intervene and perhaps help to correct their prices to follow back their original trend line ^.^
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Dun buy prop. Prop make u jump from 14th flr. Buy kangkung. Kangkung is wat banglaland needs now. Buy kangkung pls.
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what we do now will change the future. Buy for your children  brows.gif MYR is shrinking
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How many gen y like to live in gen x built condo, apartment or house?

Typical unfounded reason given by flippers and re agents to bbb. Fair bet you are a flipper holding a number of units.

Buying Myr assets won't help if myr depreciate. To counter myr depreciation, it make more sense to invest in usd, sgd, euro and rmb assets.

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wherever in KV got bubble busted or price dropped for 20% or more, let me know, I will probably go and grab it.
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sit back and try to get kungfu absorb from tkttt.. biggrin.gif
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"BBB" FOR RM2,100 PSF

::: Dorsett Residences Bukit Bintang by Far East Consortium of Hong Kong has a pretty good take up rate before obtaining AP. As many international buyers as Malaysian buyers. All you see, all you get - as shown in a luxuriously fully- furnished, fully-decorated showflat. Marble. Bosch and Gaggenau appliances provided. Close to Jalan Bukit Bintang. For walk-in customers, not many units left as of 13/1/2014.


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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 14 2014, 10:50 PM)
How many gen y like to live in gen x built condo, apartment or house?

Typical unfounded  reason given by flippers and re agents to bbb. Fair bet you are a flipper holding a number of units.

Buying Myr assets won't help if myr depreciate. To counter myr depreciation, it make more sense to invest in usd, sgd, euro and rmb assets.
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As long as you stay in malai, it is still worth it. that is why a lot of SING come to buy in malai.

Yes I hold quite a number of assets and no intention to let go for the short period. Keep your money in SING dollar if you got no intention to buy assets will help too. thumbup.gif
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Not surprise if many international buyers are China... went in showroom got China orang... haiya Malaysians soon tak layan ared.

Bolehland gonna start a PROPERTY TOURISM.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 11:52 PM)
Any comment?
"BBB" FOR RM2,100 PSF

::: Dorsett Residences Bukit Bintang by Far East Consortium of Hong Kong has a pretty good take up rate before obtaining AP. As many international buyers as Malaysian buyers. All you see, all you get - as shown in a luxuriously fully- furnished, fully-decorated showflat. Marble. Bosch and Gaggenau appliances provided. Close to Jalan Bukit Bintang. For walk-in customers, not many units left as of 13/1/2014.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 11:52 PM)
Any comment?
"BBB" FOR RM2,100 PSF

::: Dorsett Residences Bukit Bintang by Far East Consortium of Hong Kong has a pretty good take up rate before obtaining AP. As many international buyers as Malaysian buyers. All you see, all you get - as shown in a luxuriously fully- furnished, fully-decorated showflat. Marble. Bosch and Gaggenau appliances provided. Close to Jalan Bukit Bintang. For walk-in customers, not many units left as of 13/1/2014.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 11:52 PM)
Any comment?
"BBB" FOR RM2,100 PSF

::: Dorsett Residences Bukit Bintang by Far East Consortium of Hong Kong has a pretty good take up rate before obtaining AP. As many international buyers as Malaysian buyers. All you see, all you get - as shown in a luxuriously fully- furnished, fully-decorated showflat. Marble. Bosch and Gaggenau appliances provided. Close to Jalan Bukit Bintang. For walk-in customers, not many units left as of 13/1/2014.
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[quote=accetera,Jan 14 2014, 09:33 PM]
Will this bridge tumble to signify property bubble? #jokingonly

Wow ...where is this prop? The bridge is quite impressive. icon_idea.gif
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http://www.theedgeproperty.com/mobile/modu...le.php?id=12094

Article from EDGE on HK property market, extracted interesting paragraph below:

"The total number of sale and purchase agreements concluded in 2013 was 70,503, down 39% from 2012, according to the Hong Kong Land Registry. The value of deals dropped 30% from a year earlier to HK$456 billion (RM193.8 billion)."


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http://www.theedgeproperty.com/mobile/modu...le.php?id=12094

Article from EDGE on HK property market, extracted interesting paragraph below:

"The total number of sale and purchase agreements concluded in 2013 was 70,503, down 39% from 2012, according to the Hong Kong Land Registry. The value of deals dropped 30% from a year earlier to HK$456 billion (RM193.8 billion)."
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http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...dget-this-year/

When the news say BBB mena B little bit,
When it say B little bit mean stop buying,
When it say slow down mean stagnant,
When it say stagnant mean bubble burst too late cry.gif
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[quote=HuiChyr,Jan 15 2014, 04:35 AM]
[quote=accetera,Jan 14 2014, 09:33 PM]
Will this bridge tumble to signify property bubble? #jokingonly

Wow ...where is this prop? The bridge is quite impressive. icon_idea.gif
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Last night, I was quite surprised to see more than 60% saying no bubble. Optimistic people.

This morning with more votes, the votes have dropped from 60+% to 55% for the no bubble.

Interesting to see the progress later with bigger population. Then again, the population here may not be representative of the real world outside.

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assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

thanks.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

thanks.
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Benefactors: Property players that have cashed out and waiting to re-enter at lower pricing.

"I told u so" is just a bragging right for timing the market accurately. Every market/industries have their cyclical pattern. By cheering on DDD or BBB, doesn't make it so. IT's matter of financial logic. The simple guideline: Monthly cost > Rental = overpriced. (Of course, there are more factors to look into).
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

thanks.
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Wishing for bubble to burst is one thing, whether it is actually bursting is another.

One can wish for anything, but when it is not happening, then it's a wishful thinking.
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Slow down and stagnant - YES;
Bubble ready to burst - NO.
Landed prop with good concept + reasonable price is still a good buy.

quote=puchongite,Jan 15 2014, 09:38 AM]
Wishing for bubble to burst is one thing, whether it is actually bursting is another.

One can wish for anything, but when it is not happening, then it's a wishful thinking.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jan 15 2014, 08:52 AM)
Last night, I was quite surprised to see more than 60% saying no bubble. Optimistic people.

This morning with more votes, the votes have dropped from 60+% to 55% for the no bubble.

Interesting to see the progress later with bigger population. Then again, the population here may not be representative of the real world outside.

Cheerio.
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Perhaps those BBB fellas are mostly agents or full-time prop 'investors'.. So they got plenty of time to be 24/7 at this forum so can vote earlier (and more often?) than the DDD guys.. brows.gif

But if those BBB fellas so free to be here 24/7.. meaning the business in the real world outside must be slow.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

thanks.
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First time buyer.
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First time buyer.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

thanks.
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More people can afford to buy and disposable income will increase as pay less in loan installment.

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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 05:52 PM)
An unprecedented amount of sales dropout in almost all new launches, some quite bad (dowan mentioned which project but is discussed here in LYN also). Alot of people are selling in subsale now. Some giving generous discounts.

On the other hand, several new launches will be coming onstream gradually, at a much slower pace. Developers expect people will "cool down" from the cooling measures as we are still pretty much at the preliminary stage of "Inflation Uprising" (you guys probably know what is going up again).

Technically, the Malaysian bubble is more akin to a slowdown.
Yes.

As mentioned before, Malaysia has been in a bubble for some time. But being in a bubble isnt always bad. The only problem is when the bubble bursts. Countries can be in bubbles for a long time and some without even bursting. Some come out of a bubble even without bursting. But Bank Negara is not going to allow the bubble to burst in Malaysia. Hence all these measures to cool down the property market before that happens.

So what im quite sure will happen is a stagnation and a price drop in some areas experiencing a glut in condos or condos sold at unreasonable prices by greedy developers in new growth areas. But prime and mature areas will keep rising or worse case scenario, stagnate for a while before resuming the uptrend. But i worry about new launches which are being sold to inexperienced investors buying with the herd mentality.

Either way, this discussion is similar to:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3100773

The reason i created that thread was to:

1) Give all of us a platform to discuss openly and maturedly (so far so good)
2) Provide a thread which can be referenced in future to see if the 4 signs were actually correct for Malaysia

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Actually, while rental yield and ratio of price to household income are good indicators, a more accurate bubble indicator will be total property sales over gdp. Rental yield gives viability of prop investment, price to household income shows affordability, and sales over gdp shows how hot the market is. Do it for the past record until now, one can tell an accurate view of market.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jan 15 2014, 08:52 AM)
Last night, I was quite surprised to see more than 60% saying no bubble. Optimistic people.

This morning with more votes, the votes have dropped from 60+% to 55% for the no bubble.

Interesting to see the progress later with bigger population. Then again, the population here may not be representative of the real world outside.

Cheerio.
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one thing i draw from the poll stats is there are far more now holding and trying to sell than those uninvested and/or wanting and able to to buy.

a poll asking if people are "looking to buy", "just holding", "only selling" or "no plans to buy" will tell a bit more and if responses are honest enough, we'll see the same result.

at this time, call it bubble or not, burst or no burst, i am convinced the no. of willing and able to buy at current prices, i.e. real demand has dropped and is still going down. if one sieves out the noises and read the rest of news, reports and comments, that can only be the truth.

the question is what happens next - will a prolonged slump in real demand force overall prices to drop by 5, 10, 20% in the near horizon? i personally think so, over the next 3-4 years. more so when "no leadership-let peripherals run amok" scenario is now driving all politics and economy at even national level. how good can things get?

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 15 2014, 09:59 AM)
Yes.

As mentioned before, Malaysia has been in a bubble for some time. But being in a bubble isnt always bad. The only problem is when the bubble bursts. Countries can be in bubbles for a long time and some without even bursting. Some come out of a bubble even without bursting. But Bank Negara is not going to allow the bubble to burst in Malaysia. Hence all these measures to cool down the property market before that happens.

So what im quite sure will happen is a stagnation and a price drop in some areas experiencing a glut in condos or condos sold at unreasonable prices by greedy developers in new growth areas. But prime and mature areas will keep rising or worse case scenario, stagnate for a while before resuming the uptrend. But i worry about new launches which are being sold to inexperienced investors buying with the herd mentality.

Either way, this discussion is similar to:
https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3100773

The reason i created that thread was to:

1) Give all of us a platform to discuss openly and maturedly (so far so good)
2) Provide a thread which can be referenced in future to see if the 4 signs were actually correct for Malaysia
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 15 2014, 10:24 AM)
a poll asking if people are "looking to buy", "just holding", "only selling" or "no plans to buy" will tell a bit more and if responses are honest enough, we'll see the same result.

at this time, call it bubble or not, burst or no burst, i am convinced the no. of willing and able to buy at current prices, i.e. real demand has dropped and is still going down. if one sieves out the noises and read the rest of news, reports and comments, that can only be the ....
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Agree with you.
The poll itself already bias. With 3 options recognising there is a bubble, 1 option no bubble, another 1 no comments.
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Benefactors: Property players that have cashed out and waiting to re-enter at lower pricing.
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Some of these "players" have been waited since 2008.
And invest nothing. Some of them are my family friends.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 15 2014, 10:53 AM)
Some of these "players" have been waited since 2008.
And invest nothing. Some of them are my family friends.
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Local property market is not the only investment option available, they may have invested in other market as may have better return and less exposure to flip-flop policy changes.

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Local property market is not the only investment option available, they may have invested in other market as may have better return and less exposure to flip-flop policy changes.
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some of them keep in FD as an option.
But I agree with you, our government is good in flip flop policies, i.e. RPGT rate changed 4 times in the last 5 years.
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 15 2014, 10:50 AM)
Agree with you.
The poll itself already bias. With 3 options recognising there is a bubble, 1 option no bubble, another 1 no comments.
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Is my eye blur ? I thought I saw 2 options for bubble, 2 option for no bubble ?
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Is my eye blur ? I thought I saw 2 options for bubble, 2 option for no bubble ?
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The 3rd option is not a definite No
Long way to go means a matter of time.
My interpretation
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Where to put your money, if not property...

1. Stock mkt? I believe there is a bigger bubble in the stock mkt...indexes are at record high...the truth is that it is a sophisticated mkt which most of us do not understand, where insiders and large institutional investors are always ahead of us, where you can buy at the wrong time and lose heavily. Just look at the recent penny stock fiasco in S'pore where investors are losing their pants and some really die standing...ending up with nothing...zero..further playing the mkt takes time, you got to be monitoring the mkt every minutes when mkt open.

2. Invest in business? Potentially, the most profitable way, but most new companies fail, at least 50%, and the risk of your investment is enormous.

3. Gold? The biggest shocker of 2013 was the crash in gold prices. people are still dumping gold, some said it will have further correction...below USD1,000 by year end. Some people who had invested in gold the past years now looked like zombies...or more like"hum yee" salted fish..cry also no tears

4. FD? Low investment returns and offer poor protection against inflation.

5. Forex? Very much based on speculation, very technical and super volatile...not for those with weak heart.

Why not property then? Property has a proven long history as an asset that delivers consistently high returns over the medium to long term. Property provides a secure form of protection against inflation and has proven to be less risky than other investment strategies such as buying and selling shares. Property investment also provides effective avenues to minimise the level of tax payable. Property is a tangible asset that you can see, feel, control and add value to. Banks are often happy to lend against property up to 80% of its value, or higher depending upon your individual circumstances. Property will always be in demand, whether it be to rent or to purchase, ensuring a consistent ever increasing return on your investment.
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Where to put your money, if not property...

1. Stock mkt? I believe there is a bigger bubble in the stock mkt...indexes are at record high...the truth is that it is a sophisticated mkt which most of us do not understand, where insiders and large institutional investors are always ahead of us, where you can buy at the wrong time and lose heavily. Just look at the recent penny stock fiasco in S'pore where investors are losing their pants and some really die standing...ending up with nothing...zero..further playing the mkt takes time, you got to be monitoring the mkt every minutes when mkt open.

2. Invest in business? Potentially, the most profitable way, but most new companies fail, at least 50%, and the risk of your investment is enormous.

3. Gold? The biggest shocker of 2013 was the crash in gold prices. people are still dumping gold, some said it will have further correction...below USD1,000 by year end. Some people who had invested in gold the past years now looked like zombies...or more like"hum yee" salted fish..cry also no tears

4. FD? Low investment returns and offer poor protection against inflation.

5. Forex? Very much based on speculation, very technical and super volatile...not for those with weak heart.

Why not property then? Property has a proven long history as an asset that delivers consistently high returns over the medium to long term. Property provides a secure form of protection against inflation and has proven to be less risky than other investment strategies such as buying and selling shares. Property investment also provides effective avenues to minimise the level of tax payable. Property is a tangible asset that you can see, feel, control and add value to. Banks are often happy to lend against property up to 80% of its value, or higher depending upon your individual circumstances. Property will always be in demand, whether it be to rent or to purchase, ensuring a consistent ever increasing return on your investment.
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I agree with most of the things you said, especially on equities investments. As you said, there are insiders and institutional investors who can outperform the market due to various reasons. So there is another option.. become part of these big fishes. Engage professional investment services. Of course, you need to find a good ones, and commit a large amount of fund. But from experience, some can give you 16-20% return per annum. No guarantee, of coz, but that's their rice bowl and they definitely can do better than retail investors.
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Everyone are waiting for it to burst, so that they can go in and " chap sei kai " and gradually the demands goes up again. rclxms.gif

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It will be no difference, those who being waiting the properties burst and 'Chap Sei Kai' will always in waiting. Coz it will be in 2 situation,
1. When the bubble has burst they will also said WAIT, the price will down further it still not reach the lowest price.
2. or else, when the bubble burst they wanna buy, but cant get finance because not banker willing to give support due high risk banker worry it will be bad debt.

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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

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haha yeah man..

Successful investor will not likely come into these discussions cheering for bubble. In the end of the day, what are they trying to achieve and what do they gain if really crash. Smart people already gearing up on their future plans liao, not stucking up themselves in this forum shouting for bubble. Some pro-bubblers were even sour grape 5 years ago who fought for the same thing until now hahaha
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QUOTE(kochin @ Jan 15 2014, 09:00 AM)
assuming there's a bubble, and properties price plunge.
may i ask who will be the biggest benefactor?

the wisher for huge property price declination, may i ask what is in store for you guys/girls?
of course besides the eagerly awaited "I told you so!" quote, what else is in store.
care to enlighten me please?

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U R making an Ass out of U & Me by assume..lol got U icon_idea.gif

There R those who have property for own & family stays & no intention to sell it, already sold off their previous investment/flipping unitbought & sold earlier with good profit, now looking for more, but current price r over inflated & not much profit can be made from it, so now waiting fot the market declination to grab some good deals so that able to make better margin out of it (Just like stock market).

So next time use logic thinking rather than ASSUMING people just wanna get orgarsm by saying "I told u so". cool2.gif
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Back to the question, how low do you want it to go before you pick it up again? Most of us in this forum, are not George Soros or Warren Buffett with tons of cash pile waiting to pick up when it's down. When it starts going down, the so called people who wants good deals will also be weary of how low it will go before it can be picked up. There are of course rich people too in here but they are the minority. If it goes down and continues to go down, that only means people are losing jobs and losing homes. Yes, it's a tough and rough cycle for some.

When you say inflated, it is relative. Relatively, a RM500k condo is high to someone earning 3k a month. On the other side of the coin, it is acceptable to someone earning 10k a month. Income needs to go up. People need to be better at what they do. Continuing to pray for goods and services to remain low is illogical. Ideally, it would be nice if the Govt is controlling inflation but we know that's in our dreams only.

I wouldn't mind price remaining stagnant for now. Stagnant means it's stable, people are paying their mortgages/home loans. People are not losing jobs. Investors period is over for now. There are still homes that people can buy if they need a home. Only problem is, people have higher taste than what their budget/income can afford. Then they start crying saying they can't afford a home.

In Malaysia, many high income earners few years ago are now considered middle class citizens. Middle income earners are now low income earners. Low income earners are now at the poverty line when all these are compared to our cost of living. Problem is, people don't want to acknowledge that. I for one acknowledge my purchasing power has dropped since 2013. Currently finding avenue to increase my returns on investments to ensure my lifestyle doesn't drop.

So what is the next best thing, people hope for bubble to pop. Trust me, it ain't a beautiful sight when people lose their jobs. The unfortunate part is, these people are the people who have none or bad financial planning.
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It will be no difference, those who being waiting the properties burst and 'Chap Sei Kai' will always in waiting. Coz it will be in 2 situation,
1. When the bubble has burst they will also said WAIT, the price will down further it still not reach the lowest price.
2. or else, when the bubble burst they wanna buy, but cant get finance because not banker willing to give support due high risk banker worry it will be bad debt.
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QUOTE(matthewctj @ Jan 15 2014, 05:58 PM)
Back to the question, how low do you want it to go before you pick it up again? Most of us in this forum, are not George Soros or Warren Buffett with tons of cash pile waiting to pick up when it's down. When it starts going down, the so called people who wants good deals will also be weary of how low it will go before it can be picked up. There are of course rich people too in here but they are the minority. If it goes down and continues to go down, that only means people are losing jobs and losing homes. Yes, it's a tough and rough cycle for some.

When you say inflated, it is relative. Relatively, a RM500k condo is high to someone earning 3k a month. On the other side of the coin, it is acceptable to someone earning 10k a month. Income needs to go up. People need to be better at what they do. Continuing to pray for goods and services to remain low is illogical. Ideally, it would be nice if the Govt is controlling inflation but we know that's in our dreams only.

I wouldn't mind price remaining stagnant for now. Stagnant means it's stable, people are paying their mortgages/home loans. People are not losing jobs. Investors period is over for now. There are still homes that people can buy if they need a home. Only problem is, people have higher taste than what their budget/income can afford. Then they start crying saying they can't afford a home.

In Malaysia, many high income earners few years ago are now considered middle class citizens. Middle income earners are now low income earners. Low income earners are now at the poverty line when all these are compared to our cost of living. Problem is, people don't want to acknowledge that. I for one acknowledge my purchasing power has dropped since 2013. Currently finding avenue to increase my returns on investments to ensure my lifestyle doesn't drop.

So what is the next best thing, people hope for bubble to pop. Trust me, it ain't a beautiful sight when people lose their jobs. The unfortunate part is, these people are the people who have none or bad financial planning.
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Why can't some one who have earn in last round holding bunch of cash waiting for the right timing ??

Nothing is fall proof if u lived long enough u know what i mean, if oil call crash, gold can crash why not property, just ask anyone few year ago would they believe gold price can fall by this much, i bet the bunch gold investor would ask u to fly kite if you said gold price can crash just a year ago, US property crash, PIGGS property crash, so what make Kangkungland so special crash proof ??

Like koshin the only thing in your mind is someone desperate for a house but can't afford so crying for crash whole day, why not someone loaded waiting for you all to give up either by will or by force & grab it at lower cost later sell it when the market going up, if u used to playing stock u would know the rule of the game, roller coaster market is the most profitable marker rather then up slow up.

Heard of famous chinese proverd "Nai Kei" there is alway oppotunity in every crisis. brows.gif




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Why can't some one who have earn in last round holding bunch of cash waiting for the right timing ??

Nothing is fall proof if u lived long enough u know what i mean, if oil call crash, gold can crash why not property, just ask anyone few year ago would they believe gold price can fall by this much, i bet the bunch gold investor would ask u to fly kite if you said gold price can crash just a year ago, US property crash, PIGGS property crash, so what make Kangkungland so special crash proof ??

Like koshin the only thing in your mind is someone desperate for a house but can't afford so crying for crash whole day, why not someone loaded waiting for you all to give up either by will or by force & grab it at lower cost later sell it when the market going up, if u used to playing stock u would know the rule of the game, roller coaster market is the most profitable marker rather then up slow up.

Heard of famous chinese proverd "Nai Kei"  there is alway oppotunity in every crisis.  brows.gif
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is cantonese "ngai kei"....

but not everyone dare to face "ngai kei"....n not everyone can smell the "kei hui"....
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is cantonese "ngai kei"....

but not everyone dare to face "ngai kei"....n not everyone can smell the "kei hui"....
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Think of it as oranges, probably most of u do not know why sometime oranges r sweet while sometime sour, that because the first & last batch of oranges in a season r alway sour while those in the mid season r sweet.
Same go investment the first batch who go in & the last batch who got out r at the highest risk of losing money.
Always think a step ahead, the big players r always ahead of us, so think ahead, when even obasan come to tell u buy properties mean it time to cabut, like stock market by the time everyone tell u this stock sure go up faster sell it off.

Just watch for market sentiment, do exactly opposite of the mass, they buy u sell; they sell u buy. .got it brows.gif
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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 15 2014, 04:46 PM)
It will be no difference, those who being waiting the properties burst and 'Chap Sei Kai' will always in waiting. Coz it will be in 2 situation,
1. When the bubble has burst they will also said WAIT, the price will down further it still not reach the lowest price.
2. or else, when the bubble burst they wanna buy, but cant get finance because not banker willing to give support due high risk banker worry it will be bad debt.
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Boss vely subjective for item 1. There r ppl with cash in hand especially those holding few millions eg. 2.5mil for example has been be throwing bad news but went thru back door and ll do the same to grab more props. Vely subjective. Can ask ppl stop buying so more choices available ma. Indeed a smart move.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 15 2014, 04:49 PM)
haha yeah man..

Successful investor will not likely come into these discussions cheering for bubble. In the end of the day, what are they trying to achieve and what do they gain if really crash. Smart people already gearing up on their future plans liao, not stucking up themselves in this forum shouting for bubble. Some pro-bubblers were even sour grape 5 years ago who fought for the same thing until now hahaha
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Biasa la. At least kangkung is down for now.

Btw how many 5 yrs do v have???
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The 3rd option is not a definite No
Long way to go means a matter of time.
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Bro, it has a "No" in front of the sentence tongue.gif I don't see any clearer than that which a person can interpret otherwise. A "No" is "not a definite No" ? blink.gif

Read the answer together with the question again. It is very clear lah
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 15 2014, 07:34 PM)
Boss vely subjective for item 1. There r ppl with cash in hand especially those holding few millions eg. 2.5mil for example has been be throwing bad news but went thru back door and ll do the same to grab more props. Vely subjective. Can ask ppl stop buying so more choices available ma. Indeed a smart move.
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Yap, u are right n ur example may true.
There are people really in rich with millions in hand, at least i noticed my surrounding friend some they are. Unfortunately, I'm not. Those who with few millions in hand are pretty good in doing investment because just Makan gaji u won't be able with few millions in hand. However, for those who always said wait to the lowest only get in the market to 'zap sei kai' will be those majority and I strong believe they will not have millions in hand. Just my tot.

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It will be no difference, those who being waiting the properties burst and 'Chap Sei Kai' will always in waiting. Coz it will be in 2 situation,
1. When the bubble has burst they will also said WAIT, the price will down further it still not reach the lowest price.
2. or else, when the bubble burst they wanna buy, but cant get finance because not banker willing to give support due high risk banker worry it will be bad debt.
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Unlike stock or commodities, property is illiquid, it may take 3 to 5 years for price to bottom. In the mean time, better to invest in overseas.

As long as one doesn't have bad record, have mean to repay loan and can pay deposit, banks will certainly lend.
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If major property price correction(notice I didn't say bubble) do happen, no matter what UUU team says, it falls. Just like in the past few years, no matter what DDD team said, the market was still going up. Property market is a cyclical market. UUU team and DDD team will take turn to win, just matter of when.

The most dangerous thing now is that many are not aware whether they are investing or they are speculating. That is nothing wrong with speculating. In fact, many international astute speculators made a lot of money and prude of it. However, for ordinary people, most of the big money were lost because one was speculating but thinking he was investing. Also, speculating associates with high risk and high gain, at this point, the risk of certain segments just went thru the roof.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 15 2014, 08:04 PM)
Unlike stock or commodities, property is illiquid, it may take 3 to 5 years for price to bottom. In the mean time, better to invest in overseas.

As long as one doesn't have bad record, have mean to repay loan and can pay deposit, banks will certainly lend.
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Agree. Just add abit my view. During good time if u do not hav bad record u will get loan approve easily but when there is financial crisis bank will 'close water tap' banker will only finance those who with have good record and property with class A in evaluation.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 14 2014, 05:52 PM)
An unprecedented amount of sales dropout in almost all new launches, some quite bad (dowan mentioned which project but is discussed here in LYN also). Alot of people are selling in subsale now. Some giving generous discounts.

On the other hand, several new launches will be coming onstream gradually, at a much slower pace. Developers expect people will "cool down" from the cooling measures as we are still pretty much at the preliminary stage of "Inflation Uprising" (you guys probably know what is going up again).

Technically, the Malaysian bubble is more akin to a slowdown.
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When developers hardly develop the piece of land in kl town and pj while on the other hand population is growing to another 20% more after 4 years, existing property prices will likely grow up dramatically again laugh.gif
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When developers hardly develop the piece of land in kl town and pj while on the other hand population is growing to another 20% more after 4 years, existing property prices will likely grow up dramatically again  laugh.gif
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Bro, it has a "No" in front of the sentence  tongue.gif  I don't see any clearer than that which a person can interpret otherwise. A "No" is "not a definite No" ?  blink.gif

Read the answer together with the question again. It is very clear lah
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 15 2014, 04:49 PM)
haha yeah man..

Successful investor will not likely come into these discussions cheering for bubble. In the end of the day, what are they trying to achieve and what do they gain if really crash. Smart people already gearing up on their future plans liao, not stucking up themselves in this forum shouting for bubble. Some pro-bubblers were even sour grape 5 years ago who fought for the same thing until now hahaha
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Bro dont u think it is really serious lehh prices beyond reach to majority.. and government anti speculation RPGT.. 1 million bar.. removal DIBS.. and price hikes yearly.. people coping with food .. education.. work.. luxurious overpriced out skirt KL prop I tink highly unlikely..

u on BBB or DDmBBB ( die die must buy buy buy) ? Mature area can.. outskirt 2 megatownship.. hoh seh liao.. u feel so?
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[quote=Soros007,Jan 15 2014, 09:42 AM]
Slow down and stagnant - YES;
Bubble ready to burst - NO.
Landed prop with good concept + reasonable price is still a good buy.

quote=puchongite,Jan 15 2014, 09:38 AM]
Wishing for bubble to burst is one thing, whether it is actually bursting is another.

One can wish for anything, but when it is not happening, then it's a wishful thinking.
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Soros hmmm.. remember how soros try kill hong kong 97? Coz china taking bek hong kong... china govetnmnent pump back hong kong so dat it eont collapse (here our beloved government got anti speculation measures.. RPGT.. 1 million bat.. removal DIBS.) u see got chance bo? Burst.. if no ah.. buy lah eco hill phase 2 launcing soon starting launcing mb DSL 600k.. flip to 800k.. hmm 9utskiry DSL 800k?.. u buying or not 800k?
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Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?

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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jan 16 2014, 12:51 AM)
Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?
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After the 2008 crisis. DUDE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. GULLIBLE.
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[quote=bearbearwong,Jan 16 2014, 12:19 AM]
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Soros hmmm.. remember how soros try kill hong kong 97? Coz china taking bek hong kong... china govetnmnent pump back hong kong so dat it eont collapse (here our beloved government got anti speculation measures.. RPGT.. 1 million bat.. removal DIBS.) u see got chance bo? Burst.. if no ah.. buy lah eco hill phase 2 launcing soon starting launcing mb DSL 600k.. flip to 800k.. hmm 9utskiry DSL 800k?.. u buying or not 800k?
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Correct if say out skirt too expensive it may not worth it to the exact value, but actually myself also confuse with the meaning of out skirt.
How are we gonna to define out skirt development?
PUTRAJaya, cyberjaya, kajang, shah alam, Sg buloh consider out skirt?
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QUOTE(InF.anime @ Jan 16 2014, 12:51 AM)
Banks will let the bubble burst?
Imagine people now are buying at RM700-1000+/sqft.. all money are comes from banks. If price really floored, all buyers will default their loan. Bank will be the next to die after the property owners. That time Malaysia might need borrow from IMF like Korean last time and many banks need to restructure or merge lol. You think those bank will let this happen?
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It really should be referred to as a credit bubble instead of a property bubble right?
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It is not banks duty or responsibility to support price. When price floored, banks can ask borroweres to top up the difference,  recall the loan or auction off if is non performing.
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We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM)
We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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Not that serious lah! Most homeowners will be ok. Price up or down makes no difference to them. Only those flippers and speculators die only. For that, gomen won't help them.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM)
We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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Correct 3 our BNM is the only national bank in this world will guaranteed country economy will NEVER EVER get into ressesion, deflation or any economy problem at all.
Our bank will also be the only bank in this world if not universe can guaranteed flipper not losing money.
So remember fellow flipper if u losses money in properties flipping just go & claim back from bank negara, as our tax money will fully utilised to save flipper.
All u need do is PM our genius zephyrus9999 he will guide u all the procedures to claim from bank negara.

Maybe we should set up tabung GRF1M

Ganti Rugi Flipper 1 Malaysia...lol
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 09:16 AM)
Correct 3 our BNM is the only national bank in this world will guaranteed country economy will NEVER EVER get into ressesion,  deflation or any economy problem at all.
Our bank will also be the only bank in this world if not universe can guaranteed flipper not losing money.
So remember fellow flipper if u losses money in properties flipping just go & claim back from bank negara,  as our tax money will fully utilised to save flipper.
All u need do is PM our genius zephyrus9999 he will guide u all the procedures to claim from bank negara.

Maybe we should set up tabung GRF1M

Ganti Rugi  Flipper 1 Malaysia...lol
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Lol... I dont know why people just refuse to learn from history amd cases from other parts of the world. Even developed economies and country well known for innovations like Japan also suffered from bubble bursting.
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We only need 1 bank in msia to crash, then the bubble will pop. everything turns tumbling down.

In these dark times, defaulters will be in number. More properties auctioned but no takers. If recall tons of business loans, we can imagine what happens to gomen income. Borrowers will not even have kangkungs to top up in the first place.

And thr goes msia economy derails.. And what makes you think our BNM/gomen let this to happen.

Pop unlikely. Reduced demand and fairly constant supply due overpopulation possible.
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A well managed bank will have up to 25% of their loan portfolio in housing loan. In the worst case scenario, 50% of housing loan are underwatered by 30%, will dent the bank assets (25% x 50% x 30%) by 4% only, is well within manageable limits.

BNM and banks first duty is to ensure the integrity of the banking system, borrowers hardship is only a collateral damage in dark time.

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singapore prop bubble is indeed bursting. not burst or going to burst but bursting now...

richy sgreans will continue to flock here to bbb?

msia always n forever special n different, won't happen?

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Published: Wednesday, 15 Jan 2014 | 6:20 PM ET
By: Leslie Shaffer | Writer for CNBC.com

Singapore's home prices could fall more than expected this year and unwinding cooling measures may not staunch any damage, Nomura said.

Most analysts already expect the city-state's private home prices to decline, forecasting a peak-to-trough correction of around 10 to 15 percent through 2016, with a drop of around 5 percent this year, Min Chow Sai, an analyst at Nomura, said in a note.

But he thinks 2014's pace of decline could surprise, potentially falling more than 10 percent by the end of the year.

"A potential source of this negative surprise is a weaker-than-expected secondary market," Chow Sai said, noting more sellers appear willing to pay the sellers' stamp duty (SSD) and more appear willing to sell at a net loss. The SSD is imposed on properties purchased after February 10, 2010 and owned for less than four years.

In addition, with around 10,000 units of private homes completed in 2013 having limited or no SSD restriction, a potential increase in secondary supply is looming, he said.

Another bucket of cold water on the private housing market may come from the public housing resale market, he said. Nomura estimates public housing resale prices may need to fall more than 20 percent for the affordability level to reach a typical market bottom.

"A correction of 21.3 percent in HDB (public housing) resale prices will significantly reduce upgraders' demand for the mass-market private housing market and could precipitate a faster price decline," he said.

The market is already showing signs of stress. In December, developers' sales of private homes fell more than 80 percent from a year earlier, with only 259 units changing hands, according to government data. In addition, last week private home prices in the city-state registered their first drop in seven quarters in the October-December period, falling 0.8 percent on-quarter.

Any government efforts to stem the declines by rolling back cooling measures on the segment may be ineffective, Chow Sai said.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101337154

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 16 2014, 12:14 AM)
Bro dont u think it is really serious lehh prices beyond reach to majority.. and government anti speculation RPGT.. 1 million bar.. removal DIBS.. and price hikes yearly.. people coping with food .. education.. work.. luxurious overpriced out skirt KL prop I tink highly unlikely..

u on BBB or DDmBBB ( die die must buy buy buy) ? Mature area can.. outskirt 2 megatownship.. hoh seh liao.. u feel so?
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If you want to succeed as a property investor, you must get in the game. If are living a life as a spectator, waiting for the elusive bubble to burst, you may have missed a lot of opportunities already. How long have you been waiting...3 years ago people has been talking about the bubble going to burst, and still talking...it may happen or it may not..how long more..

These are the people still waiting...

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You want to wait until your neck look like this..

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Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone should just blindly jump in and grab whatever properties you can get your hand on...you still need to do your homework...buy objectively, not on emotion..no panic buying, no excessive greed..must be within your budget, don't get over-extended with debt or over leverage, do due diligence...and so forth..

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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after all the long necks, it's better you tell us here if you will buy to invest now, right now.

that will lend credibility to what you said, no confusion on what yr position is.
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 10:53 AM)
If you want to succeed as a property investor, you must get in the game. If are living a life as a spectator, waiting for the elusive bubble to burst, you may have missed a lot of opportunities already. How long have you been waiting...3 years ago people has been talking about the bubble going to burst, and still talking...it may happen or it may not..how long more..

These are the people still waiting...

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You want to wait until your neck look like this..

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Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone should just blindly jump in and grab whatever properties you can get your hand on...you still need to do your homework...buy objectively, not on emotion..no panic buying, no excessive greed..must be within your budget, don't get over-extended with debt or over leverage, do due diligence...and so forth..

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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Absolute nonsense. . short & simple no overreact. .lol
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One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.
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Price appreciate or depreciate doesn't matter to own stay, can buy anytime as long as within his affordability.

The biggest mistake made by most property investors are bought at peak, over geared and don't have positive cash flow to sustain through bad time.

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after all the long necks, it's better you tell us here if you will buy to invest now, right now.

that will lend credibility to what you said, no confusion on what yr position is.
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Why not, if I find a good deal. Just 3 mths ago, received sms early morning from Setia Ecohill, if interested to book, bring along RM20k cheque...I went with my cheque hoping to get one of their terrace house...too late the crowd already too big...all terrace sold out by noon...just within a few hours! The terrace selling from 400+k, I think is a good deal, heard the 2nd phase launch..the terrace will be from 600+k
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 12:11 PM)
Why not, if I find a good deal. Just 3 mths ago, received sms early morning from Setia Ecohill, if interested to book, bring along RM20k cheque...I went with my cheque hoping to get one of their terrace house...too late the crowd already too big...all terrace sold out by noon...just within a few hours! The terrace selling from 400+k, I think is a good deal, heard the 2nd phase launch..the terrace will be from 600+k
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Meaning u didn't buy, another empty talk..lol

That why I said all these BBB warrior only cakap kosong, ask other to buy sendiri kecut. .typical Kangkung mentality. .sigh
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 12:19 PM)
Meaning u didn't buy, another empty talk..lol

That why I said all these BBB warrior only cakap kosong,  ask other to buy sendiri kecut. .typical Kangkung mentality. .sigh
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You are just another troll....why people like you can't have a meaningful discussion?
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You are just another troll....why people like you can't have a meaningful discussion?
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From posting long necked people photo to make fun on other & claiming this & that end up never bought anything is indeed a meaningful discussion ?

Look at the mirror & surely u will see a "long necked troll"...lol


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Manyak api over here. Mod gonna shut down thread soon. sweat.gif
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It's a debate of to invest or not to invest in 2014.
There is no right or wrong answer, just different opinion.
Those who have not invested want the price to drop, and they are waiting now with cash.
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Phase 1 - 400k, phase 2 - 600k. Did their contractors suddenly charged higher and they could not resist? Did the price of materials suddenly jumped so much? Did they have to acquire new land at higher prices? Was the first phase heavily and generously discounted?
Looks like costs increase with every new phase. Developers should lie to their suppliers and tell them its not for a new phase but for a fresh new project lol ok i jest.
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From posting long necked people photo to make fun on other & claiming this & that end up never bought anything is indeed a meaningful discussion ?

Look at the mirror & surely u will see a "long necked troll"...lol
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Don't waste my time....no point arguing with a troll
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 16 2014, 01:09 PM)
Phase 1 - 400k, phase 2 - 600k. Did their contractors suddenly charged higher and they could not resist? Did the price of materials suddenly jumped so much? Did they have to acquire new land at higher prices? Was the first phase heavily and generously discounted?
Looks like costs increase with every new phase. Developers should lie to their suppliers and tell them its not for a new phase but for a fresh new project lol ok i jest.
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Back to basic, if u study economics, here is the theory:
1) individuals trying to maximizing their utilities/satisfactions. Individuals are statisfied if they can pay less for more.
2) firms tend to maximizing their profit. Most developers are profit driven even they are GLCs.
End of the day, willing buyers willing sellers.
The anti speculation policies from Bnm do cut down the speculation demand to a great extend though.



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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 16 2014, 01:16 PM)
Back to basic, if u study economics, here is the theory:
1) individuals trying to maximizing their utilities/satisfactions. Individuals are statisfied if they can pay less for more. 
2) firms tend to maximizing their profit. Most developers are profit driven even they are GLCs.
End of the day, willing buyers willing sellers.
The anti speculation policies from Bnm do cut down the speculation demand to a great extend though.
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I said 'I jest'.
Of course its point 2. There is almost no shortage of willing buyers in the primary market if various incentives are given. These incentives are missing from the secondary market and with obvious effect.
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 16 2014, 01:09 PM)
Phase 1 - 400k, phase 2 - 600k. Did their contractors suddenly charged higher and they could not resist? Did the price of materials suddenly jumped so much? Did they have to acquire new land at higher prices? Was the first phase heavily and generously discounted?
Looks like costs increase with every new phase. Developers should lie to their suppliers and tell them its not for a new phase but for a fresh new project lol ok i jest.
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Please talk something that you know better with a fact and figure. Phase 1 and 2 different price because different size and built up bro.
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Please talk something that you know better with a fact and figure. Phase 1 and 2 different price because different size and built up bro.
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Ok i just used that as a sweeping example. But honestly do you think they are that much more expensive to build? Unless ph1 is a dsl while ph2 is a semi d? Sure, which developer doesnt love profits. I do too bro.
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 16 2014, 01:43 PM)
Ok i just used that as a sweeping example. But honestly do you think they are that much more expensive to build? Unless ph1 is a dsl while ph2 is a semi d? Sure, which developer doesnt love profits. I do too bro.
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Of course much more expensive bro. Bigger build up mean quantity of material is more and it's reflex to the total cost. Bigger land area also reflex to the cost in acquire the land. Sum others factor to consider like location wise and the direction of the unit.
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 12:11 PM)
Why not, if I find a good deal. Just 3 mths ago, received sms early morning from Setia Ecohill, if interested to book, bring along RM20k cheque...I went with my cheque hoping to get one of their terrace house...too late the crowd already too big...all terrace sold out by noon...just within a few hours! The terrace selling from 400+k, I think is a good deal, heard the 2nd phase launch..the terrace will be from 600+k
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thanks for response.

i wud think all prop investors will not disagree with the first part.

as to which ones are out there now, which ones qualify as "good deal", that's the part for all sorts of disagreements.

i for one, do not see that one u mention as a good deal for investment. for own stay, ready to stay there, fine.

in general, i think most prop investors are just sitting it out at this time, some busy disposing what is at hand to ease cash position for the next round which may come soon or not soon at all.

it's tough to invest when prices are falling or easing - to catch a falling knife, so they say. in bursa, few buy when prices are falling which is why they fall fast. same with currency, buy that currency that is appreciating like usd now, not rupiahs and rupees that have been falling for the last year!
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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 16 2014, 01:58 PM)
Of course much more expensive bro. Bigger build up mean quantity of material is more and it's reflex to the total cost. Bigger land area also reflex to the cost in acquire the land. Sum others factor to consider like location wise and the direction of the unit.
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If phase 2 is bigger land area, higher quality materials, etc, isn't comparing with phase 1 is like orange to apple?

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what hppend when it burst?
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Burst just let it burst, "How many 10 years do u have in your life", enjoy the show whether Good or Bad. "Hong Hong liet liet" 轰轰烈烈 to do it in one round. after 18 years be a tough guy again.
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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 16 2014, 01:36 PM)
Please talk something that you know better with a fact and figure. Phase 1 and 2 different price because different size and built up bro.
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Not really. As the matter of face most newer phases were launched smaller in size wor.


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Not really. As the matter of face most newer phases were launched smaller in size wor.
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Discussion on the fact and figure that we are talking about is by developer SP Setia in Setia Eco Hill.
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 10:53 AM)
If you want to succeed as a property investor, you must get in the game. If are living a life as a spectator, waiting for the elusive bubble to burst, you may have missed a lot of opportunities already. How long have you been waiting...3 years ago people has been talking about the bubble going to burst, and still talking...it may happen or it may not..how long more..

These are the people still waiting...

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You want to wait until your neck look like this..

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Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting that everyone should just blindly jump in and grab whatever properties you can get your hand on...you still need to do your homework...buy objectively, not on emotion..no panic buying, no excessive greed..must be within your budget, don't get over-extended with debt or over leverage, do due diligence...and so forth..

One of the biggest mistake for investors is waiting too long to start investing in property, whether for own stay or as investment.

What is your view? This is only for discussion purpose... please don't overreact...thank you.
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Brace yourselves. What they predicted to happen years ago, the turning point already happened months back with the policy changes. Also the effect of tapering is positive for USA when it's economy is growing but highly negative for emerging. The full effect will probably be seen in months to a year when tapering increases. HK and sing coming down so are the other emerging markets, not a wise thing to go against momentum. Plus all the weak flippers, give it a year or two, they might just pull down the tent on all the "investors".
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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 16 2014, 03:16 PM)
Discussion on the fact and figure that we are talking about is by developer SP Setia in Setia Eco Hill.
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Careful lo...the SEH thread very hot and spicy one rolleyes.gif biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(planb2 @ Jan 16 2014, 03:25 PM)
Brace yourselves. What they predicted to happen years ago, the turning point already happened months back with the policy changes. Also the effect of tapering is positive for USA when it's economy is growing but highly negative for emerging. The full effect will probably be seen in months to a year when tapering increases. HK and sing coming down so are the other emerging markets, not a wise thing to go against momentum. Plus all the weak flippers, give it a year or two, they might just pull down the tent on all the "investors".
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Time will tell.

Currently it's not a hard landing, so give it some time before the reality sinks in rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 16 2014, 03:10 PM)
Burst just let it burst, "How many 10 years do u have in your life", enjoy the show whether Good or Bad. "Hong Hong liet liet" 轰轰烈烈 to do it in one round. after 18 years be a tough guy again.
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u sound like 隔岸观火
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u sound like 隔岸观火
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I tell you the truth, when real estate crashes 90% of you will not have the balls to buy. When bubbles burst it usually comes hand in hand with, stock market crash, currency crash, job market crash, high interest rate, etc.

The good news is I'm in the 10%, which means the rich will always get richer!

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QUOTE(value_investor @ Jan 16 2014, 06:44 PM)
I tell you the truth, when real estate crashes 90% of you will not have the balls to buy. When bubbles burst it usually comes hand in hand with, stock market crash, currency crash, job market crash, high interest rate, etc.

The good news is I'm in the 10%, which means the rich will always get richer!
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understood... if the 90% still have balls to buy, there won't be crash la...
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QUOTE(value_investor @ Jan 16 2014, 06:44 PM)
I tell you the truth, when real estate crashes 90% of you will not have the balls to buy. When bubbles burst it usually comes hand in hand with, stock market crash, currency crash, job market crash, high interest rate, etc.

The good news is I'm in the 10%, which means the rich will always get richer!
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You are correct, most won't have ball. It is just not profitable if price crashes and maintain the same price for the next three years. Here are from a previous discussion:

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If dead chicken is coming, would you pick it up ?

Assuming the price stop falling and maintaining for the next 3 yrs (Optimistic assumption, in reality, the price will keep falling!):

1st yr, 0% up
%profit with rent/outlay = -34%
%profit w/o rent/outlay = -49%
COCR (w/rent) = -40%

2nd yr, 0% up
%profit with rent/outlay = -36%
%profit w/o rent/outlay = -60%
COCR (w/rent) = -48%


3rd yr, 0% up
%profit with rent/outlay = -37%
%profit w/o rent/outlay = -57%
COCR (w/rent) = -46%
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People with good sight see opportunity, without good sight see disaster as opportunity.. and every1 also thought they have good sight..
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 16 2014, 08:36 PM)
understood... if the 90% still have balls to buy, there won't be crash la...
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wah... new enlightenment... so meaning that those say wanna buy when it crash "man man dang la"... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 16 2014, 09:12 PM)
wah... new enlightenment... so meaning that those say wanna buy when it crash "man man dang la"...  rclxms.gif
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Can also mean 90% will Chickened out don't dare to die die also hold, they would throw their current holding in Fire Sales....wakakaka

It happened in the mid 80s & again late 90s, so expect it to happened again.

U think top 10% richest will come here & waste their time to post rubbish ? from those comments I bet he is nothing but empty talker like Aberdeen...lol

Since only 1 million Malaysians is paying income tax, 1/29 which is about 3.5%, hey hey hey I am among the top 3% ...rofl

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Picking dead chicken in prop? Best to have big balls and do it in trades.
This was fun in 2010 and happened so fast - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash
I got a Benz convertible in Aus the next week biggrin.gif
That's only called 'fast money' and 'picking dead chicken'.


QUOTE(value_investor @ Jan 16 2014, 06:44 PM)
I tell you the truth, when real estate crashes 90% of you will not have the balls to buy. When bubbles burst it usually comes hand in hand with, stock market crash, currency crash, job market crash, high interest rate, etc.

The good news is I'm in the 10%, which means the rich will always get richer!
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Bullets for UUU and DDD

2009
UUU
1. DIBS
2. Easy Loan
3. Materials Up/Inflation
4. No land
5. Not enough supply
6. Friends/family made money
7. We are the cheapest
8. Foreign Investors

DDD
1. Affordability

2010
UUU
1. DIBS
2. Easy Loan
3. Materials Up/Inflation
4. No land
5. Not enough supply
6. Friends/family made money
7. We are the cheapest
8. Foreign Investors

DDD
1. Affordability
2. 70% for 3rd house

2012
UUU
1. DIBS
2. Materials Up/Inflation
3. No land
4. Not enough supply
5. Friends/family made money
6. We are the cheapest
7. Iskandar factors
8. LRT

DDD
1. Affordability
2. 70% for 3rd house
3. Loans control
4. Light RPGT

2013
UUU
1. Materials Up/Inflation/GST
2. No land
3. We are the cheapest
4. LRT

DDD
1. Affordability
2. 70% for 3rd house
3. Loans control
4. Many condo VP/high supply
5. Foreigner Limits
6. Heavy RPGT
7. Friends/family stucked with properties
8. HK/SG start to decline
9. US taper
10. Removal of DIBS

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 16 2014, 09:38 PM)
Can also mean 90% will Chickened out don't dare to die die also hold, they would throw their current holding in Fire Sales....wakakaka

It happened in the mid 80s & again late 90s, so expect it to happened again.

U think top 10% richest will come here & waste their time to post rubbish ? from those comments I bet he is nothing but empty talker like Aberdeen...lol

Since only 1 million Malaysians is paying income tax, 1/29 which is about 3.5%, hey hey hey I am among the top 3% ...rofl
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QUOTE(nVidiaFX @ Jan 16 2014, 01:58 AM)
After the 2008 crisis. DUDE ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. GULLIBLE.
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Ya lorr.. now all banks go buy PIDM I surance in return of rm250k max if bank go bust.. good time where bank can go bust...

anyting is posdible.. we are bind by debts.bank loose miney. flippers and developers scopp off man leving the inflated matket evwn they themselves wont buy..
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QUOTE(chrisw @ Jan 16 2014, 10:06 AM)
The bar still at 500k, if I don't get you wrong..  rolleyes.gif
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500k? U have manage to transfer any prop below 1 million to singaporeans.. S&P signed last year ah? RGPT 30%di ahh??
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QUOTE(aberdeen @ Jan 16 2014, 12:11 PM)
Why not, if I find a good deal. Just 3 mths ago, received sms early morning from Setia Ecohill, if interested to book, bring along RM20k cheque...I went with my cheque hoping to get one of their terrace house...too late the crowd already too big...all terrace sold out by noon...just within a few hours! The terrace selling from 400+k, I think is a good deal, heard the 2nd phase launch..the terrace will be from 600+k
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Oh u mean those ppl lining up... which later drop off.. oh.. this shows that even you got money also cant buy ohh..
same d same developer in MIVEC.. I ask him new project.. he say I m too busy.. u know why.. project havent launch.. ppl already give cheque di to book new prop... some even give signed cheque with withou limit to let you put..

haizz.. 600k phase 2 maa.. no worries they say aftet CNY launch.. grab 3 to 4 biji.. aftet flipp to 750k walao milionate di.. sure got ppl buy one 750k outskirt sap sap sui lahh.. 3.5k loan nia.. for 35 years.. 2 hours drive during office hours.. to kl city center.. sure hot cakes.. like taman tasik srmenyih srmi D 500k subsales.. next to nottinghamm..
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Outskirt mana lagi.. 2 mega project township in KV tak tau mehh.. both using trees as oncept mas.. one is south kl one is very echo... many ppl banking hard here new prop DSL sure many banking.. tell u wat.. OFFICEhours.. KLCC via tunrazak to viva mall 1.2 hours di.. viva to leisure mall 30 minutes... from leisure msll to srmenyih.. 40 minutes.. haizz 40 minutes drive claim d developer..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 16 2014, 10:51 PM)
500k? U have manage to transfer any prop below 1 million to singaporeans.. S&P signed last year ah? RGPT 30%di ahh??
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Why Singaporean? Do you mean only Singaporean got the purchase power? rolleyes.gif

Sorry because I really don't get what you meant, I just wish to inform you that the floor price still remained at 500k, not 1M notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(chrisw @ Jan 16 2014, 11:28 PM)
Why Singaporean? Do you mean only Singaporean got the purchase power?  rolleyes.gif

Sorry because I really don't get what you meant, I just wish to inform you that the floor price still remained at 500k, not 1M notworthy.gif
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of course not.. not only singaporean.. i mean.. state give u consent to transfer property to foreigner below 500k? in 2014?
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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 16 2014, 03:10 PM)
Burst just let it burst, "How many 10 years do u have in your life", enjoy the show whether Good or Bad. "Hong Hong liet liet" 轰轰烈烈 to do it in one round. after 18 years be a tough guy again.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 16 2014, 11:47 PM)
of course not.. not only singaporean.. i mean.. state give u consent to transfer property to foreigner below 500k? in 2014?
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Why Singapore Economy Is Heading For An Iceland-Style Meltdown
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 17 2014, 01:04 AM)
Singapore is more land scare than kv, any drop in price will bound back in the future. Get ready to invest in sg?


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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 17 2014, 01:04 AM)
By reading the title already cannot agree, singapore go into bankruptcy like iceland?
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 17 2014, 01:04 AM)
thanks for article.

what's interesting is this part:

Even though Singapore is no longer an emerging market nation, I consider its bubble economy to be part of the overall emerging markets bubble that I have been warning about due to its strategic role and location in Southeast Asia, which is also known as ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations). My recent reports on Malaysia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Indonesia show that the entire region is caught up in a massive bubble, and Singapore is benefiting from this bubble by acting as ASEAN’s financial center.

at the same time, nomura's talk of a 21% fall in public housing prices is shaking the island.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101337154

sg prop bubble is indeed leaking now. at a time when the indon rupiah depreciated 21% in the last yr and bangkok's rocked by massive protests. locally, palm oil prices not good, rm is weak, debts reaching limits, millions of illegals... can't seem to see anything rosy except maybe more new prop launches with beautiful artists impressions.

the bottmline is if the asean bubble connection will bring what that forbes writer wrote about mysia 3 months ago:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2...bubble-economy/

dun worry, keep buying, "go in a blaze of glory"? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(SilverSpoon @ Jan 17 2014, 01:04 AM)
IF you are reading Singapore, might as well read about Malaysia:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2...bble-economy/3/

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Opportunities r usually grabbed by those tat r well prepared. We can even c ppl earn big during down time. But tat doesn't mean they did nothing during boom time. flex.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 17 2014, 07:03 AM)
http://youtu.be/XkU23m6yX04

Be prepared. If u prepare urself, u ll not worry too much bout the Econ melt down.  brows.gif

Opportunities r usually grabbed by those tat r well prepared. We can even c ppl earn big during down time. But tat doesn't mean they did nothing during boom time.  flex.gif
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Like !

But the DDD camp believes that all UUU campers are all flippers with extremely poor credit rating, borrowing 100% loan and living up to their nose with just 0.5% interest rise will make them jump from 14th floor laugh.gif laugh.gif


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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jan 17 2014, 07:42 AM)
Like !

But the DDD camp believes that all UUU campers are all flippers with extremely poor credit rating, borrowing 100% loan and living up to their nose with just 0.5% interest rise will make them jump from 14th floor  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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If history to repeat, about half of numbers sold were bought by flippers and most flippers maximized their borrowing/potential profit especially those who have profited early.

The perfect storm will come when interest rate rise is coincide with vp of numerous dibs projects from 2015, lower loan to value and conservative valuation by QS.

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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jan 17 2014, 07:42 AM)
Like !

But the DDD camp believes that all UUU campers are all flippers with extremely poor credit rating, borrowing 100% loan and living up to their nose with just 0.5% interest rise will make them jump from 14th floor  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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If u wanna hold be my guest, we r targeting the mass that is going to give up & that's my friend is majority of UUU camp.

U don't wanna sell so be it, I am looking at your neighbours. .wakakaka

This is in contra of earlier market believe "if u can't affford the price flipper ask for there r richer one who can" so now is "if u not willing to do fire sales, there r other who's willing"..lol
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 17 2014, 10:25 AM)
If u wanna hold be my guest, we r targeting the mass that is going to give up & that's my friend is majority of UUU camp.

U don't wanna sell so be it, I am looking at your neighbours. .wakakaka

This is in contra of earlier market believe "if u can't affford the price flipper ask for there r richer one who can" so now is "if u not willing to do fire sales, there r other who's willing"..lol
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i agree to ur statement.

On top of that we also need to catagorize the investors/ flipper groups according to property price range.
1) those soho, sovo, sofo, studio investment which price range of upto RM350K
2) mass market apartment/condo from 350K to 700K
3) mass market landed from 400k to 800K
4) higher end of condo/ landed from 800k to 1.5mil
5) luxurious property above 1.5mil

which catagory would more likely to have firesales in terms of % ????
In general, ppl believe those richer investors at category 4) and 5) tends to have better holding power to weather the storm. Dear all forumers, what is your view?
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 17 2014, 10:25 AM)
If u wanna hold be my guest, we r targeting the mass that is going to give up & that's my friend is majority of UUU camp.

U don't wanna sell so be it, I am looking at your neighbours. .wakakaka

This is in contra of earlier market believe "if u can't affford the price flipper ask for there r richer one who can" so now is "if u not willing to do fire sales, there r other who's willing"..lol
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Hi Rooney,

Of course there are flippers who will sell to you. But the UUU camp may be there to bid just in front of you laugh.gif

Like you, I am waiting for the market to come down too icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 17 2014, 10:58 AM)
i agree to ur statement.

On top of that we also need to catagorize the investors/ flipper groups according to property price range.
1) those soho, sovo, sofo, studio investment which price range of upto RM350K
2) mass market apartment/condo from 350K to 700K
3) mass market landed from 400k to 800K
4) higher end of condo/ landed from 800k to 1.5mil
5) luxurious property above 1.5mil

which catagory would more likely to have firesales in terms of % ????
In general, ppl believe those richer investors at category 4) and 5) tends to have better holding power to weather the storm. Dear all forumers, what is your view?
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My view is not necessary only those 4 or 5. When market is down, all catergories will have people being affected. There are millionaires bankrupt. There are also poor people bankrupt
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Jan 17 2014, 11:10 AM)
Hi Rooney,

Of course there are flippers who will sell to you. But the UUU camp may be there to bid just in front of you  laugh.gif

Like you, I am waiting for the market to come down too  icon_rolleyes.gif
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don't underestimate those who really have holding power....i think it is easily more than you think there is...
so it may not necessarily be fire sales happening...

if you check the market postings on properties for sale, the price more or less still up there....

QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 17 2014, 10:25 AM)
If u wanna hold be my guest, we r targeting the mass that is going to give up & that's my friend is majority of UUU camp.

U don't wanna sell so be it, I am looking at your neighbours. .wakakaka

This is in contra of earlier market believe "if u can't affford the price flipper ask for there r richer one who can" so now is "if u not willing to do fire sales, there r other who's willing"..lol
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 17 2014, 11:31 AM)
don't underestimate those who really have holding power....i think it is easily more than you think there is...
so it may not necessarily be fire sales happening...

if you check the market postings on properties for sale, the price more or less still up there....
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a number of them already re-financed their current property(ties) and the cash is sitting at bank, not only they can hold for years, but can whack if got fire sales.
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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 17 2014, 11:41 AM)
a number of them already re-financed their current property(ties) and the cash is sitting at bank, not only they can hold for years, but can whack if got fire sales.
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like this got possible for huge adjustment meh? the uuu are in the queue, then the ddd already cannot wait to jump in after queue for long time.. this is not demand then what else call demand?
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 17 2014, 10:58 AM)
i agree to ur statement.

On top of that we also need to catagorize the investors/ flipper groups according to property price range.
1) those soho, sovo, sofo, studio investment which price range of upto RM350K
2) mass market apartment/condo from 350K to 700K
3) mass market landed from 400k to 800K
4) higher end of condo/ landed from 800k to 1.5mil
5) luxurious property above 1.5mil

which catagory would more likely to have firesales in terms of % ????
In general, ppl believe those richer investors at category 4) and 5) tends to have better holding power to weather the storm. Dear all forumers, what is your view?
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I tink even low end flippers venture to trouble waters like landed and bunglow in outskirt.. why.. their logic is bigger risk bigger return... the eco hill project and southville and iskandar.. rawang 2... many low end taking big risk.. in hope upon completion sell of... (coz they make an anology like this):

"Hmm 430k plus DSL wor.. cheap cheap lahh..compared to the high rise 500k above (in which they themselves feel expensive and wont buy) still cheap maas... if I flip to 750k (inclusive of RPGT 30%..legal fees.. stamp duities .. and etc minimum oso need to sell 550k. Plus 200k profit).. surely ppl will buy Maa.. a high rise oso 575k ( like u city/vista/amanya maluri/lido residency/pertama residency) surely ppl will choose landed.. I got a good deal leh 430k plus plus.."

they failed to reliase that high rise 500k above otransacted numbers are low.. those outskirt is GOD DAMM FAR.. however developers say 40 or 45 minutes LEISURE DRIVE .. but never mention it was traffic clear... (poor flippers only went to the said location first time which is d registration.. never drive before during peak... but because world class developers building JUST WHACK.. SURE UNTUNG). In actual fact from office concentrated areas like KLCC ..masjid jamek.. pj.. mont kiara and etc.. to reach kajang or bangi or rawang.. dat it self neec 1.5 hours coz stuck in jam duting peak hours..and additional 30 minutes to their house.. respectively.. ( be realiastic shall we.. market you targeting is working middle class working).. which I doubt coz many but NOT all already become flippers..


they also fail to pursuade themselves that the flipped price is no longer AFFORDABLE.. paying 3.5 k perminth for 35 years ( outskirt DSL) surely they will say many can afford 3.5 k just because u cant..dioes not mean many others cant... those can already or mostly flipping....

and come on 750k.. you your yoursrlf wont buy lahhh outskirt DSL.. right??

That dude mentioning that they have high holding power... yup you can.. well investment wise holding longer us is good ah.. bank interest jalan.... they mostly prefer sell off once completed... the longer u hold.. the prop become old.. design colour fade... they tell you hold longer is deceiving one.. if phase 2 open and you still holding phase 1 unsold.. haha.. ppl buy phase 2 lu... nevertheless if you holding long tetm.. good their credit is locked.. and surely cant flip ..

those rich ahh.. appetite problem... u tink invest 1 house meh... one project 3 house.. they have many houses dat is the problem... they need to hold so many dats I say they are the same... upon VP fast fast sell... but never consider alk the above problem.. sold but vacant.. alot of example... couple with govetnment measures hmm good to know government want slaughtet u flippers as well


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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 17 2014, 11:49 AM)
like this got possible for huge adjustment meh? the uuu are in the queue, then the ddd already cannot wait to jump in after queue for long time.. this is not demand then what else call demand?
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Demand owayls high.. but whethet can AFFORD or bank will give valuatio according to the flip price is another.. now even u bribe the valuers also no use liao..

furthetmore many the market u targeting are cooping with price hikes and GST coming.. u guys hold sin...
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 17 2014, 11:31 AM)
don't underestimate those who really have holding power....i think it is easily more than you think there is...
so it may not necessarily be fire sales happening...

if you check the market postings on properties for sale, the price more or less still up there....
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Agent.. can transact or not??? Saw a poor guy selling off his bandar mahkota vista.. cheras vista wor.. since 2 years back which is 530k.. every month increase till now 680k.. but haha lelong liao starting at 350k wor.. so many landed waiting to br resell le h
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Ya good point to note, those who can afford asking subsale prices are also flipping today biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(lamode @ Jan 17 2014, 11:41 AM)
a number of them already re-financed their current property(ties) and the cash is sitting at bank, not only they can hold for years, but can whack if got fire sales.
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Dude.. the longer u hold ahh.. investment better of? U sure this is their intention.. if u mention holding is so good and property price surely shoot up.. why the developer want to launch and sell to you guys? They can just built and wait complete than only sell wat.. same like u guys.. they are richer isnt it?

The many? Is how many.. telling partial truth isnt helpful leh.. those others 'many' suffering from credit cards debt.. personal loan.. renovation loan... bancruptcy.. car loan... house loan.. business failure.. and etc.. who is more 'many'. Agent... u meet few big flippers say many liao.. these flippers target ppl like above mention lor... can afford bo ccris all koyak liao...




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Agent.. can transact or not??? Saw a poor guy selling off his bandar mahkota vista.. cheras vista wor.. since 2 years back which is 530k.. every month increase till now 680k.. but haha lelong liao starting at 350k wor.. so many landed waiting to br resell le h
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Boss, not trying to disagree, but as a repoman, can I ask isit bank acution for tat unit??? Or owner auction???
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Dude.. the longer u hold ahh.. investment better of? U sure this is their intention.. if u mention holding is so good and property price surely shoot up.. why the developer want to launch and sell to you guys? They can just built and wait complete than only sell wat.. same like u guys.. they are richer isnt it?
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Interest up??? 2 ways to go. Dump in all reserve fund. Bank ll b happy lo. Or race for the dead chics with super low LTV lo. Both ways oso wont hurt the wallet la. Otherwise, dump into stocks market to buy cheap cheap stock lo cos I blif stock market ll suffer if prop market is gonna b s bad s mentioned here. thumbup.gif

Howeva, I dun think days like darnaharta ll repeat la. If it does, I ll not miss the opportunity like the previous round. Sure I ll go hunt for it fr darnaharta. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 12:08 PM)
Agent.. can transact or not??? Saw a poor guy selling off his bandar mahkota vista.. cheras vista wor.. since 2 years back which is 530k.. every month increase till now 680k.. but haha lelong liao starting at 350k wor.. so many landed waiting to br resell le h
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you got first hand info, can grab cheap units easily isnt it?
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Hi Rooney,

Of course there are flippers who will sell to you. But the UUU camp may be there to bid just in front of you  laugh.gif

Like you, I am waiting for the market to come down too  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 17 2014, 01:06 PM)
you got first hand info, can grab cheap units easily isnt it?
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Boss, not trying to disagree, but as a repoman, can I ask isit bank acution for tat unit??? Or owner auction???
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Unfortunately.. I m not d one handling.. but I guess it is bank auction.. poor guy has a black vios..old model.. I saw it wen I brought by the agent... hehe...
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Unfortunately.. I m not d one handling.. but I guess it is bank auction.. poor guy has a black vios..old model.. I saw it wen I brought by the agent... hehe...
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Dev job is to rollover the cash flow for new launches. In biz, they can just sit on tat stock in hand.
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Actually..thete are leh like tan ming 1.88m... east park72... 1.4 m.. developer finish built baru sell... and still vacant leh...
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you got first hand info, can grab cheap units easily isnt it?
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hmm dat owner can by private treaty sell his prop anytime before auction... in auction surely got funny guys bidding against you for no purpose gehh.. then will say.. u open 20k cash cheque to me.. I let u win the bad.. I say u please take the bid... once they won.. say like auction price 350k.. bid till 400k deal seal and sell.. he only park in 35k oni maa... the balance payable he dun pay lor... so forfeit the deposit 35k.. and auction again.. buy some time damm unscruplus.. government come in.. if bidder dun pay balance.. bancrupt the bidder for the balance.. and auction in the name of the bidder...

damm..
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Dev job is to rollover the cash flow for new launches. In biz, they can just sit on tat stock in hand.
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Obviously he dun understand how developers run their business

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 01:23 PM)
hmm dat owner can by private treaty sell his prop anytime before auction... in auction surely got funny guys bidding against you for no purpose gehh.. then will say.. u open 20k cash cheque to me.. I let u win the bad.. I say u please take the bid... once they won.. say like auction price 350k.. bid till 400k deal seal and sell.. he only park in 35k oni maa... the balance payable he dun pay lor... so forfeit the deposit 35k.. and auction again.. buy some time damm unscruplus.. government come in.. if bidder dun pay balance.. bancrupt the bidder for the balance.. and auction in the name of the bidder...

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sometime when u need it a house u still need to buy even the price is crazy. i did come across this, it really need a house for married life. That time is just to decide whether to buy a super link GnG in out skirt or a services apartment in PJ/KL both are around the same price. After discussed with family KL/PJ will be more convenient. Luckily, it is a right decision for me. although the distance is just 13km to my office Jalan Tun Razak it will take 30-40mins for me to reach. Sometime the traffic 'Gila' will even cause me 1.5hr++ to reach. Thx god, i not choose to live in out skirt GnG super link, the distance is almost 40km+ to reach Jln Tun Razak, just imagine i may have to trap in a traffic for 2 hrs for normal traffic.. Just to share my experience.
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Obviously he dun understand how developers run their business
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Oh .. so your great view would be "buy now otherwise sure regret".... right but not new prop but subsales prop fromu guys... then flippers also roll wat??
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exactly, lelong start at 350k  doesn't means it won't transacted at 500k.
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Oh 500k.. right lor.. if you tink it is worth it go ahead.. along the way ah.... ccris koyak.. ctos koyak.. want to flip again ahh see got bank want to borrow ir not..

if this happen mostly to flippers I m satisfied liao one flipper down..next
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Boss, resi or commi doesnt matter actually. Just b prepared for the worst. If market no gd, prop price not moving, or market darn gd, prop price goin up like no tomolo, I'm not selling as ur advise previously.  tongue.gif 

Interest up??? 2 ways to go. Dump in all reserve fund. Bank ll b happy lo. Or race for the dead chics with super low LTV lo. Both ways oso wont hurt the wallet la. Otherwise, dump into stocks market to buy cheap cheap stock lo cos I blif stock market ll suffer if prop market is gonna b s bad s mentioned here.  thumbup.gif

Howeva, I dun think days like darnaharta ll repeat la. If it does, I ll not miss the opportunity like the previous round. Sure I ll go hunt for it fr darnaharta.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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So u r another double agent constantly switching between camp to gain max benefits...hmmm sama gang loh like this ...lol

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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 17 2014, 01:43 PM)
sometime when u need it a house u still need to buy even the price is crazy. i did come across this, it really need a house for married life. That time is just to decide whether to buy a super link GnG in out skirt or a services apartment in PJ/KL both are around the same price. After discussed with family KL/PJ will be more convenient. Luckily, it is a right decision for me. although the distance is just 13km to my office Jalan Tun Razak it will take 30-40mins for me to reach. Sometime the traffic 'Gila' will even cause me 1.5hr++ to reach. Thx god, i not choose to live in out skirt GnG super link, the distance is almost 40km+ to reach Jln Tun Razak, just imagine i may have to trap in a traffic for 2 hrs for normal traffic.. Just to share my experience.
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Oh good lord.. finally one agrees with me.. those outskirt DSL very cheap ones 750k.. u would not be able to bare the havoc traffic jamms.. when I point out this in echo hill ptoject.. they say I m nuts.. then simplyput a test from 9 am from echo hill to leisure mall only..

They claim need an hour or less from echo hill to leisure mall which they claim is KL and use non peak hours time to demonstrate the test.. this is distorted.. ON peak working hours from leisure mall to KLCC di 1.5 hours.. not including rain.. road closures.. broke down vehicles.. special event.. screw u.. how many overhead bridges you pass along to kl office areas.. all overhead bridges are occupied by motorist.. blocking the road.. how many days it rain .. u sure want to suffer like this to work and back ahh..

some flippers tell you if you buy southvile ah no problem wan.. take KTM... walao.. come on your flipped DSLthere is 750k minimum.. if you really bought three if a quater million prop.. u expect yourself to take ktm to work.. I mean selling prop if one ting.. but this is just too much.. some sick joke..
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QUOTE(godlikexioo @ Jan 17 2014, 01:43 PM)
sometime when u need it a house u still need to buy even the price is crazy. i did come across this, it really need a house for married life. That time is just to decide whether to buy a super link GnG in out skirt or a services apartment in PJ/KL both are around the same price. After discussed with family KL/PJ will be more convenient. Luckily, it is a right decision for me. although the distance is just 13km to my office Jalan Tun Razak it will take 30-40mins for me to reach. Sometime the traffic 'Gila' will even cause me 1.5hr++ to reach. Thx god, i not choose to live in out skirt GnG super link, the distance is almost 40km+ to reach Jln Tun Razak, just imagine i may have to trap in a traffic for 2 hrs for normal traffic.. Just to share my experience.
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i think different ppl different preference, i got to know my friends, at the beginning stay at KL/PJ condo...after get marry and start a family, most of them already move to rawang, kota kemuning, setia alam, sungai long, they chose spacious landed and with about the same price which only can get a 1+++sqf condo at kl/pj...

ya, the traffic time is longer but somehow at least their kids/parents are staying comfortable in the landed..

so i would say different ppl different preference...

i know someone like bearbearWong brother will say, lots of landed at outskirt lelong la, nobody wan la...

come one la, lelong units are all over the place, including those prime location like mont kiara, klcc...not only outskirt area.....

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i think different ppl different preference, i got to know my friends, at the beginning stay at KL/PJ condo...after get marry and start a family, most of them already move to rawang, kota kemuning, setia alam, sungai long, they chose spacious landed and with about the same price which only can get a 1+++sqf condo at kl/pj...

ya, the traffic time is longer but somehow at least their kids/parents are staying comfortable in the landed..

so i would say different ppl different preference...

i know someone like bearbearWong brother will say, lots of landed at outskirt lelong la, nobody wan la...

come one la, lelong units are all over the place, including those prime location like mont kiara, klcc...not only outskirt area.....

anyway, peace....it's holiday...
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Dude.. u already bought echo hill 2 biji.. diedie also must say thay.. u from echo hill thread lehh..

dude u want to buy 750k outskirt kahh everymonth ah toll plus petrol 1k at keast. Unless in support of echo hill project.. u want ppl ride motorcycle to work... come on.. on one hand say comfirtable travelling and stuck in jamm long hours also damm uncomfortable wat...

u saying like this to sell your prop or genuine...

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i think different ppl different preference, i got to know my friends, at the beginning stay at KL/PJ condo...after get marry and start a family, most of them already move to rawang, kota kemuning, setia alam, sungai long, they chose spacious landed and with about the same price which only can get a 1+++sqf condo at kl/pj...

ya, the traffic time is longer but somehow at least their kids/parents are staying comfortable in the landed..

so i would say different ppl different preference...

i know someone like bearbearWong brother will say, lots of landed at outskirt lelong la, nobody wan la...

come one la, lelong units are all over the place, including those prime location like mont kiara, klcc...not only outskirt area.....

anyway, peace....it's holiday...
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see I told u guys di.. they banking hard on the

" price of an outskirt landed prop is equivalant to high rise in kl" dat for them is a good deal.. they didn reliase their flipped priced is equally high 750kk.. new phase 2 launch 600k minimum after CNY.. ppl will diedie buy landed even outskirt and even 750k..

he fail to mention dat he himself wont stay there due tothe traffic congestion but expect u guys to stuck in d jamm

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 02:14 PM)
Dude.. u already bought echo hill 2 biji.. diedie also must say thay.. u from echo hill thread lehh..

dude u want to buy 750k outskirt kahh everymonth ah toll plus petrol 1k at keast. Unless in support of echo hill project.. u want ppl ride motorcycle to work... come on..  on one hand say comfirtable travelling and stuck in jamm long hours also damm uncomfortable wat...

u saying like this to sell your prop or genuine...
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since when i said i bought 2 biji Eco hill?

and since when i target to flip at 750k?


how u know i not able to hold for long term or keep for own stay?

why u classify me as flipper?


those 2 biji ah, 750k, flipper, all assume by u..

since u like to assume this and that, i also can assume you are just a pity guy who stay in mirhaja low cost flat, and not able/not afford to purchase anything especially landed, maybe in ur heart u wan to buy landed so much, but cant afford it, so u put ur anger on the hot property market segment which u think are the flipper cause the property price go up so high....even though lelong price also consider expensive for you and you not afford to buy

...so u keep cursing here and there...hahaha


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Hahaha last time Danaharta's good properties all sapu by Daim's cronies. If same thing happen this time, I think we only can grab the leftover 2nd class ones  laugh.gif
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Bro, my bil was in DH. Guess if gov need DH again mean he might join in n this round ll call u up to giv a hand. Daim dah tua. laugh.gif
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If buying for own stay, no need to get emo lor. Those secretly buying for flipping will tend to react quickly hehe
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Bro, my bil was in DH. Guess if gov need DH again mean he might join in n this round ll call u up to giv a hand. Daim dah tua. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 17 2014, 02:24 PM)
Bro, my bil was in DH. Guess if gov need DH again mean he might join in n this round ll call u up to giv a hand. Daim dah tua. laugh.gif
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maybe tua but does not mean he will not crave for more and more moolah lah whistling.gif
all the same one..
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since when i said i bought 2 biji Eco hill?

and since when i target to flip at 750k?
how u know i not able to hold for long term or keep for own stay?

why u classify me as flipper?
those 2 biji ah, 750k, flipper, all assume by u..

since u like to assume this and that, i also can assume you are just a pity guy who stay in mirhaja low cost flat, and not able/not afford to purchase anything especially landed, maybe in ur heart u wan to buy landed so much, but cant afford it, so u put ur anger on the hot property market segment which u think are the flipper cause the property price go up so high....even though lelong price also consider expensive for you and you not afford to buy

...so u keep cursing here and there...hahaha
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Dun be so angry.. I m damm poor staying in tmn miharja reliase it took 1.2 hours to reach klcc.. u on theother side say less than an hour fron echo hill to reach leisure mall only... not cursing just merely revealing the cons...
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If buying for own stay, no need to get emo lor. Those secretly buying for flipping will tend to react quickly hehe
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I can smell dat.. damm look at their threads man.. society it seems.. soxiety to flipp the price.. good he lure ppl to their threads.... haha
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 02:28 PM)
Dun be so angry..  I m damm poor staying in tmn miharja reliase it took 1.2 hours to reach klcc.. u on theother side say less than an hour fron echo hill to reach leisure mall only...  not cursing just merely revealing the cons...
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where got angry,,,,i feel the anger is from u who not afford to buy anything eventhought outskirt landed..that why everyday so angry at forum here..hahah..


anyway...if according to ur theory, stay in so call near to city center mirhaja flat also take 1.2 hours to reach work place, then many ppl dont mind to take mayb 1.5 hours or 2 hours travel time move to outskirt area landed at least better living environment for whole family....or else later stay at city center miharja flat for too long time, will become like u, curse here and there when u stuck in 1.2 hours jam...hahah
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 02:30 PM)
I can smell dat.. damm look at their threads man.. society it seems.. soxiety to flipp the price.. good he lure ppl to their threads.... haha
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i worry even though flipper flip at cheap price, u also not afford to buy..then u keep continue stay at mirhaja low cost flat and use ur computer continue cursing and u hope one day got a flipper flip the klcc binjai condo to u at 200k....

200k binjai condo facing klcc park for u is ok or not? can afford boh??? rclxms.gif
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i worry even though flipper flip at cheap price, u also not afford to buy..then u keep continue stay at mirhaja low cost flat and use ur computer continue cursing and u hope one day got a flipper flip the klcc binjai condo to u at 200k....

200k binjai condo facing klcc park for u is ok or not? can afford boh??? rclxms.gif
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I cant afford leh.. how then echo hill 750k.. yeilds I miharja condo is bettet than echo hill even before they are completed.. here yeilds is rm 1400k.. and I m using phone lehh..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 02:42 PM)
I cant afford leh.. how then echo hill 750k.. yeilds I  miharja  condo is bettet than echo hill even before they are completed.. here yeilds is rm 1400k.. and I m using phone lehh..
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yaya..agree, normally those low cost flat come with good rental yield, because price not go up much,

many ppl initially stay at low cost flat at mirhaja, work very hard and earn the money and start to move to 750k landed at sungai long or cheras, live happily with their parents and kids...


while there are some ppl who not work hard and very lazy, still stay at mirhaja low cost flat, rubbish everywhere, lalat everywhere...then continue curse the property price too high.... whistling.gif
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guys healthy debate please. dont attack each other personally.
must learn agree to disagree so this thread won't get locked by moderator.

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yaya..agree, normally those low cost flat come with good rental yield, because price not go up much,

many ppl initially stay at low cost flat at mirhaja,  work very hard and earn the money and start to move to 750k landed at sungai long or cheras, live happily with their parents and kids...
while there are some ppl who not work hard and very lazy, still stay at mirhaja low cost flat, rubbish everywhere, lalat everywhere...then continue curse the property price too high.... whistling.gif
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See cheras and sungai long.. mahkota maa.. where got echi hill and southville.. megatownship...

and property price too high is a fact not only me.. ask around you maa.. or ask yourself.. the increase was fueled 3 years recently by speculators like you and not because construction materials.. the 200k ting profit kills the prop market..

I dont personal attack leh.. can I report.. ???
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 03:13 PM)
See cheras and sungai long.. mahkota maa.. where got echi hill and southville.. megatownship...

and property price too high is a fact not only me.. ask around you maa.. or ask yourself.. the increase was fueled 3 years recently by speculators like you and not because construction materials.. the 200k ting profit kills the prop market..

I dont personal attack leh.. can I report.. ???
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report me? why? do i do any personal attack on u?

i am mentioning about those lazy ppl who not work hard to improve, if u think i am saying u, then just report lo...maybe uself also admit it...haizzz...

anyway, KL/selangor welcome u..this is a cruel city...

one more thing, u really think 200k is a lot of profit?

if yes, then i got nothing to say la...good luck...hope one day u can hunt down all the flippers and finally get ur dream house at the price u afford and agree with.... rclxms.gif

but one thing remind to u, must act fast, this is city...many ppl move faster than u....u should spent more time to look for auction property instead of complaint in low yat....just my 2c... rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(doomdoom @ Jan 17 2014, 02:11 PM)
i think different ppl different preference, i got to know my friends, at the beginning stay at KL/PJ condo...after get marry and start a family, most of them already move to rawang, kota kemuning, setia alam, sungai long, they chose spacious landed and with about the same price which only can get a 1+++sqf condo at kl/pj...

ya, the traffic time is longer but somehow at least their kids/parents are staying comfortable in the landed..

so i would say different ppl different preference...

i know someone like bearbearWong brother will say, lots of landed at outskirt lelong la, nobody wan la...

come one la, lelong units are all over the place, including those prime location like mont kiara, klcc...not only outskirt area.....

anyway, peace....it's holiday...
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Agree.. For those who have kid or already have better life style sure can choose property with GnG in out skirt because they already in stable mode for family n financial. Just get a prop which suit to our current life style. Later when i have kid n stable financial I may also wan GnG in out skirt for health life. biggrin.gif
Now need to stay close to city to have more time to earn more.

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Agree.. For those who have kid or already have better life style sure can choose property with GnG  in out skirt because they already in stable mode for family n financial. Just get a prop which suit to our current life style. Later when i have kid n stable financial I may also wan GnG in out skirt for health life.  biggrin.gif
Now need to stay close to city to have more time to earn more.
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oi..u cannot say u maybe will chose outskirt area la..bearbear bro will tell u this is stupid choice..better stay with him at mirhaja flat and become neighbour..everyday jam 1.2hours only to kl...no worry...
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oi..u cannot say u maybe will chose outskirt area la..bearbear bro will tell u this is stupid choice..better stay with him at mirhaja flat and become neighbour..everyday jam 1.2hours only to kl...no worry...
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rclxub.gif mirhaja flat is good but not suitable for me. sweat.gif
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Actually flippers r not tat bad...me used to tink them as greedy speculators...but u know, they helped generate jobs for the developers, give business to bankers but hold all the risk during the construction stages ( especially in the event of a market crash) i tink the profit they made justifies the contrbution they made to the economy...and u know wat, most of them r decision makers, most who missed out didnt dare to buy and overanalysed...tats my opinion frum my obervations...not all speculators or flippers r filthy rich, they took a lot of risk..imagine taking Rm500 k to rm-800k bank loan just to make Rm 100k profit, and market conditions and rules chg all the time ( rpgt 30%)...most people who complains were the one who missed out be oz they slow to make decisions or keep waiting and waiting and waiting
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don't underestimate those who really have holding power....i think it is easily more than you think there is...
so it may not necessarily be fire sales happening...

if you check the market postings on properties for sale, the price more or less still up there....
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a number of them already re-financed their current property(ties) and the cash is sitting at bank, not only they can hold for years, but can whack if got fire sales.
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This is leverage by any mean and those cash doesn't belong to them. If they invest further with more borrowing, in the event of down turn, it is almost certain they will be the first group to enter foreclosure.

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report me? why? do i do any personal attack on u?

i am mentioning about those lazy ppl who not work hard to improve, if u think i am saying u, then just report lo...maybe uself also admit it...haizzz...

anyway, KL/selangor welcome u..this is a cruel city...

one more thing, u really think 200k is a lot of profit?

if yes, then i got nothing to say la...good luck...hope one day u can hunt down all the flippers and finally get ur dream house at the price u afford and agree with.... rclxms.gif

but one thing remind to u, must act fast, this is city...many ppl move faster than u....u should spent more time to look for auction property instead of complaint in low yat....just my 2c... rclxms.gif
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So u admit 200k... all forumers are merely workers.. hopinh other workers to buy their inflated prop.. this crash will keep your money lock there..

my clients never bother bout low yat net lah.. flippers low end.. they dun fear burning.. they can start all iver again.. forumers here generlly are not in those category
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 17 2014, 04:28 PM)
So u admit 200k... all forumers are merely workers.. hopinh other workers to buy their inflated prop.. this crash will keep your money lock there..

my clients never bother bout low yat net lah.. flippers low end.. they dun fear burning.. they can start all iver again.. forumers here generlly are not in those category
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oic...so u admit 200k is a lot, and u not afford to pay 20k downpayment for mirhaja flat?
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Actually flippers r not tat bad...me used to tink them as greedy speculators...but u know, they helped generate jobs for the developers, give business to bankers but hold all the risk during the construction stages ( especially in the event of a market crash) i tink the profit they made justifies the contrbution they made to the economy...and u know wat, most of them r decision makers, most who missed out didnt dare to buy and overanalysed...tats my opinion frum my obervations...not all speculators or flippers r filthy rich, they took a lot of risk..imagine taking Rm500 k to rm-800k bank loan just to make Rm 100k profit, and market conditions and rules chg all the time ( rpgt 30%)...most people who complains were the one who missed out be oz they slow to make decisions or keep waiting and waiting and waiting
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QUOTE(brother love @ Jan 17 2014, 04:26 PM)
Actually flippers r not tat bad...me used to tink them as greedy speculators...but u know, they helped generate jobs for the developers, give business to bankers but hold all the risk during the construction stages ( especially in the event of a market crash) i tink the profit they made justifies the contrbution they made to the economy...and u know wat, most of them r decision makers, most who missed out didnt dare to buy and overanalysed...tats my opinion frum my obervations...not all speculators or flippers r filthy rich, they took a lot of risk..imagine taking Rm500 k to rm-800k bank loan just to make Rm 100k profit, and market conditions and rules chg all the time ( rpgt 30%)...most people who complains were the one who missed out be oz they slow to make decisions or keep waiting and waiting and waiting
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I m not d one missed I was there ... during soft launch.. lately.. their appetite grows.. 200k clean.. leaving the market bubble.. arent them... thanking flippers for increased GDP... on the other side they inflated the market.. cause younger generation to face inflated prop

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oic...so u admit 200k is a lot, and u not afford to pay 20k downpayment for mirhaja flat?
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Yalu cant afford 20k downpayment.. 200k is a lot.. even to you..
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oic...so u admit 200k is a lot, and u not afford to pay 20k downpayment for mirhaja flat?
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How about borrow money from the bank to start a business?
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Yalu cant afford 20k downpayment.. 200k is a lot.. even to you..
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20k also dun have, but pretend like property expert at here... doh.gif

anyway, thanks for enlighten my boring afternoon..


hope u enjoy ur times at mirhaja flat...well, i been there before...the condition is quite rundown and very dirty..

hope u can involve uself in the management for the flat to make it a better living place la...instead of blow water here for whole afternoon, u better go down to clean the dirty floors at mirhaja flat there...fullfil ur social responsibility... whistling.gif
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Business create employment, add value to the society and economy but not speculation.
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Speculation can help to create artifical GDP increase.. in long run.. it will cripple the system in totality.. as the price do not reflect the actual figures in society just to benefit some groups... they already resort to personal attack.. can see how desperate they are.. issue on point already out.. moderator please evaluate the comments..
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20k also dun have, but pretend like property expert at here... doh.gif

anyway, thanks for enlighten my boring afternoon..
hope u enjoy ur times at mirhaja flat...well, i been there before...the condition is quite rundown and very dirty..

hope u can involve uself in the management for the flat to make it a better living place la...instead of blow water here for whole afternoon, u better go down to clean the dirty floors at mirhaja flat there...fullfil ur social responsibility... whistling.gif
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Ppl who dont have 20k as claimed know that prop market is going to bubble .. haizz
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Ppl who dont have 20k as claimed know that prop market is going to bubble .. haizz
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haha......u dun have 20k, bubble also cannot buy anything la...

honestly..u better go downstairs clean the mirhaja flat la...really rundown and dirty... whistling.gif
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Meet bear you mean? blink.gif

I came from a poor family and was living in a 25k flat last time...

Being a 穷鬼 is nothing to be ashamed of, as not everyone was born in a rich family...but you shud feel ashamed of yourself when everyone is trying so hard to realize their dream but you were cursing people because of your unproductive and lazy attitudes... mad.gif
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Making fun of peoples living condition isnt very charming either. Born in a royal family isit? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(commander571 @ Jan 17 2014, 04:52 PM)
Meet bear you mean?  blink.gif

I came from a poor family and was living in a 25k flat last time...

Being a 穷鬼 is nothing to be ashamed of, as not everyone was born in a rich family...but you shud feel ashamed of yourself when everyone is trying so hard to realize their dream but you were cursing people because of your unproductive and lazy attitudes... mad.gif
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i like this... thumbup.gif
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I m not ashemed at all.. to admit if I m.. but in property bubble just trying to divert will not be helpful.. it certainly will not reduce the effect that as stated in my other post..
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I m not ashemed at all.. to admit if I m.. but in property bubble just trying to divert will not be helpful.. it certainly will not reduce the effect that as stated in my other post..
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u still not fully understood the bigger market players out there. average joes like me and u trying to make ends meet. every penny counts in life. obviously when salary only rise 1k but houses 200k in 5 years, we feel like crap. last time when i rented a house outside uni while studying, i knew my landlord and he sapu 10 units thr and rented all out, same goes to his circle of friends. anyhow i dont disagree that BBB party is going to over, but simply saying its gonna crash everything become half price, our market is not there yet
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NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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Mr Cherroy, could you please merge the 2 threads and maintain this poll? thank you so much.
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Merging, may cause some "hair-wired" on the posts in the topic, as merged topic sequence is based on the date.

So the other topic is closed.

Ty.

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What have HK properties market got to do with ours ?? too much HK movie/TVB series ...lol
Looking at present economy senario & the one in charge rather concentrate on nonsense issue, I strongly believe property market very likely to go up after CNY before the bubble gradually deflate & take a hard hit after GST implementation.


Sentiments has a big impact on buying mood! Just like, when US stock market crashes, KLSE will be affected too. Another example will be, someone went bankrupted investing property in Johor, when you intend to invest in KL, you will be more careful.

Some prop news in mandarin.

http://www.nanyang.com/node/593541?tid=688

http://www.nanyang.com/node/591970?tid=686

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 17 2014, 10:12 PM)
Merging, may cause some "hair-wired" on the posts in the topic, as merged topic sequence is based on the date.

So the other topic is closed.

Ty.
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Mod but this is not the exact continuation.. dat one which was closed was the original one.. version 2 with version 1 intact.. this is new author..

is there room for negotations ah? Rules and regulation on lowyat net?

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I'm either UUU nor DDD camp. Am not concern whether bubble burst in 2014 or not! Since no one has ctr ovr it, why waste time n energ to worry/guess sky will fall or not? (Btw, I enjoy reading responses frm various forumers!)

Is it the flipper forumers here caused the property up in local market? I don't think so, instead they r many invisible hands in the market frm all directions (locally n overseas) with tons of CA$H$ n easy access to decision maker$, who can easily fund the projects, or/and buy en-blocks. When so called bubble burst, they still profitable by selling u with 30% disc. Hard to believe! then do more research....

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NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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QUOTE(brother love @ Jan 17 2014, 09:08 PM)
NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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QUOTE(brother love @ Jan 17 2014, 09:08 PM)
NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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Actually older subsales nowadays also not that cheap.
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NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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I'm either UUU nor DDD camp. Am not concern whether bubble burst in 2014 or not! Since no one has ctr ovr it, why waste time n energ to worry/guess sky will fall or not? (Btw, I enjoy reading responses frm various forumers!)

Is it the flipper forumers here caused the property up in local market? I don't think so, instead they r many invisible hands in the market frm all directions (locally n overseas) with tons of CA$H$ n easy access to decision maker$, who can easily fund the projects, or/and buy en-blocks. When so called bubble burst, they still profitable by selling u with 30% disc. Hard to believe! then do more research....
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If one can anticipate the sky will fall, at least can find a shelter.

Believe these invisible hands took advantages of zero rpgt to minimize tax, legalized cash and caused initial wave of "price increased". Like retailers in stock and commodities market, most flippers entered the market while these invisible hands are exiting.

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i just cant wait for the bubble burst. serve u right dear investors!
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most flippers entered the market while these invisible hands are exiting.
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Fact or guess??? Btw, v call those ppl swing traders la. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(brother love @ Jan 17 2014, 09:08 PM)
NotHing personal, but people who complain expensive poperties, they have many choices to look for older subsales at much cheaper price, but no, they want the latest new condos, and they spent most of their salary changing the latest Samsung or Apple iphones, going to expensive holidays using credit card, use balance transfers, and drive Rm90k City instead of Rm50k Pptong...they enjoy life but little savings and dare to complain when property prices goes up, always blame others rather than themselves
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Let's oso put tis pic here. brows.gif

I know ppl who earn few k a mth but spending on branded stuffs like no tomolo. New watches new bags new shoes nice car modify car hair style etc etc.

Oso seen some vely down to earth mega rich guys wearing singlet hair cut at barber no watch but phone watch, ethg they use or hav is just above average but not branded chaser. However, they live in vely huge bungalow, hav Ferrari kept at home (ppl say u r not rich driving an expensive car but u r when u hav spare cash to just keep it in ur garage), chauffeured driven, props everywhere, etc etc.

Guess I mentioned b4 somewhere in the previous pinned thread tat the bro of my fren can't even remember where he bot. Once he asked his sister (oso his PA) to enquire for a land tat ended up sister told him tat he actually bot it yrs ago. Tis ppl r so rich tat they dun worry bout having expensive stuffs. However, his kids r driving cars tat under 100k. Tats the rule. He make sure his kids hav to work for it eventhou he is filthy rich. For sharing, he has more than 50 cars at home. Imagine how big is the house. And he is running a biz produce goods tat most ppl need. sweat.gif thumbup.gif bruce.gif


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Fact or guess??? Btw, v call those ppl swing traders la. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Let's oso put tis pic here.  brows.gif

I know ppl who earn few k a mth but spending on branded stuffs like no tomolo. New watches new bags new shoes nice car modify car hair style etc etc.

Oso seen some vely down to earth mega rich guys wearing singlet hair cut at barber no watch but phone watch, ethg they use or hav is just above average but not branded chaser. However, they live in vely huge bungalow, hav Ferrari kept at home (ppl say u r not rich driving an expensive car but u r when u hav spare cash to just keep it in ur garage), chauffeured driven, props everywhere, etc etc.

Guess I mentioned b4 somewhere in the previous pinned thread tat the bro of my fren can't even remember where he bot. Once he asked his sister (oso his PA) to enquire for a land tat ended up sister told him tat he actually bot it yrs ago. Tis ppl r so rich tat they dun worry bout having expensive stuffs. However, his kids r driving cars tat under 100k. Tats the rule. He make sure his kids hav to work for it eventhou he is filthy rich. For sharing, he has more than 50 cars at home. Imagine how big is the house. And he is running a biz produce goods tat most ppl need.  sweat.gif  thumbup.gif  bruce.gif
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Quite true,
Indeed Western and Asian tycoon are different,
One pretends like a King, One pretends like a layman on the street.
One has many mistresses, one has many kids
One spend a lot for themselves (& mistresses), one spend a lot for their kids
One donates a lot, one donate peanuts
One show off with luxury cars or lifestyle, one keeps buying properties to show off, a symbolic of wealth

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Let's oso put tis pic here.  brows.gif

I know ppl who earn few k a mth but spending on branded stuffs like no tomolo. New watches new bags new shoes nice car modify car hair style etc etc.

Oso seen some vely down to earth mega rich guys wearing singlet hair cut at barber no watch but phone watch, ethg they use or hav is just above average but not branded chaser. However, they live in vely huge bungalow, hav Ferrari kept at home (ppl say u r not rich driving an expensive car but u r when u hav spare cash to just keep it in ur garage), chauffeured driven, props everywhere, etc etc.

Guess I mentioned b4 somewhere in the previous pinned thread tat the bro of my fren can't even remember where he bot. Once he asked his sister (oso his PA) to enquire for a land tat ended up sister told him tat he actually bot it yrs ago. Tis ppl r so rich tat they dun worry bout having expensive stuffs. However, his kids r driving cars tat under 100k. Tats the rule. He make sure his kids hav to work for it eventhou he is filthy rich. For sharing, he has more than 50 cars at home. Imagine how big is the house. And he is running a biz produce goods tat most ppl need.  sweat.gif  thumbup.gif  bruce.gif
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All these speculation is fueled by low interest loans coming from china, us, singapore n others.

Our blr rates are tagged together with us federal reserve central banks.

So if federal reserve taper n increase interest rates, I will see how many people can sustain loan payments.

Another factor is our last economy will be slowing down a lot due to these factors, inflation, depreciation of ringgit, slow international markets, HIGH national debt and personal debts, rising cost of living.

We are heading for an economy crisis in my opinion.
All these growth comes from bank loan n u need to pay them. House price has doubled in less than 6 years.

A lot of big players already keeping cash
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If one can anticipate the sky will fall, at least can find a shelter.

Believe these invisible hands took advantages of zero rpgt to minimize tax, legalized cash and caused initial wave of "price increased". Like retailers in stock and commodities market, most flippers entered the market while these invisible hands are exiting.
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Another wave those times dealers and middle man.. GST cime definately want to increase price.. if I m one of the retailer.. I go straight to sole distributor to save money on GST. Business no good liao
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 18 2014, 07:06 AM)
Fact or guess??? Btw, v call those ppl swing traders la. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 10:21 AM)
All these speculation is fueled by low interest loans coming from china, us, singapore n others.

Our blr rates are tagged together with us federal reserve central banks.

So if federal reserve taper n increase interest rates, I will see how many people can sustain loan payments.

Another factor is our last economy will be slowing down a lot due to these factors, inflation,  depreciation of ringgit, slow international markets, HIGH national debt and personal debts, rising cost of living.

We are heading for an economy crisis in my opinion.
All these growth comes from bank loan n u need to pay them. House price has doubled in less than 6 years.

A lot of big players already keeping cash
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does BN have control over sg bank brows.gif

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:09 AM)
Boss, mind to share the definition of "swing traders"?
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_trading
They dun keep stocks but instead buy sell all the time. Some fr retailers some fr fund managers.
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 10:21 AM)
All these speculation is fueled by low interest loans coming from china, us, singapore n others.

Our blr rates are tagged together with us federal reserve central banks.

So if federal reserve taper n increase interest rates, I will see how many people can sustain loan payments.

Another factor is our last economy will be slowing down a lot due to these factors, inflation,  depreciation of ringgit, slow international markets, HIGH national debt and personal debts, rising cost of living.

We are heading for an economy crisis in my opinion.
All these growth comes from bank loan n u need to pay them. House price has doubled in less than 6 years.

A lot of big players already keeping cash
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if u looking at the past. it's challenge how ppl sustain loan payments. todate the loan payment had been revised. which borrower pays the same amount as per contractual agreement. however with increase in BLR or interest rate. their principle reduction is lesser. hence there is room for air.

only differences you may not complete settlement as per contract. it will drag longer and bank see this policy by BNM as win win situation for them earn more money over your outstanding balances... whistling.gif

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I think many people here are wrong to assume that most will suffer if crash come. Actually only those who overcommit will feel the pain. For houseowners or long term investors, price up or down makes no difference. Will price come down, I believe so. Desperate speculators will pull down the price, just like they push up the price previously. What is the percentage of speculators and investors in the market now? From a few threads here, it is more than 50%.
Most taikors here, even if they dun believe there is a crash, they r not buying since last yr.
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 18 2014, 11:15 AM)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_trading
They dun keep stocks but instead buy sell all the time. Some fr retailers some fr fund managers.
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Thanks. Trying to link it to property "trading"... some silimarity but holding period is far longer..... and got lots of "hidden processes"... can bypas banking system and rpgt some more.... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:29 AM)
I think many people here are wrong to assume that most will suffer if crash come.  Actually only those who overcommit will feel the pain. For houseowners or long term investors, price up or down makes no difference.  Will price come down, I believe so. Desperate speculators will pull down the price, just like they push up the price previously. What is the percentage of speculators and investors in the market now? From a few threads here, it is more than 50%.
Most taikors here, even if they dun believe there is a crash, they r not buying since last yr.
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Then the big question is - how many have overcommitted.

Speculators/flippers - yes
Those who overborrowed ? (some banks give DSR of 80%)
Those who overborrowed based on projection of future earnings/ big bonuses?

I hate to mulut celupar, but I do remember the biggest pain in the 1997 crisis was watching friends who had to sell their houses because salary cut/ lost side income/ lost jobs.

Banks in general have been very lax in giving out loans during the 2000-2012 BBB period
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Thanks. Trying to link it to property "trading"... some silimarity but holding period is far longer..... and got lots of "hidden processes"... can bypas banking system and rpgt some more....  biggrin.gif
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Syndicates, like how they goreng stock market previously.

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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jan 18 2014, 01:06 PM)
Then the big question is - how many have overcommitted.

Speculators/flippers -  yes
Those who overborrowed ? (some banks give DSR of 80%)
Those who overborrowed based on projection of future earnings/ big bonuses?

I hate to mulut celupar, but I do remember the biggest pain in the 1997 crisis was watching friends who had to sell their houses because salary cut/ lost side income/ lost jobs.

Banks in general have been very lax in giving out loans during the 2000-2012 BBB period
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Mulut Celupar takpe jagan jangan Mulut Masin dah ...lol

BNM already says our country will not experienced another late 90's crisis mah.. but donno later is janji dicapati or not lah..but household debt 83.5% is a worrying figures.

Think of this way if crisis come you have money then songlap all u can, if no money then kelabu asap loh..lol


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QUOTE(Fazab @ Jan 18 2014, 01:06 PM)
Then the big question is - how many have overcommitted.

Speculators/flippers -  yes
Those who overborrowed ? (some banks give DSR of 80%)
Those who overborrowed based on projection of future earnings/ big bonuses?

I hate to mulut celupar, but I do remember the biggest pain in the 1997 crisis was watching friends who had to sell their houses because salary cut/ lost side income/ lost jobs.

Banks in general have been very lax in giving out loans during the 2000-2012 BBB period
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It takes only 25% of the mentioned 50% to bring down the whole market.
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 18 2014, 01:43 PM)
BNM already says our country will not experienced another late 90's crisis mah.. but donno later is janji dicapati or not lah..but household debt 83.5% is a worrying figures.

Think of this way if crisis come you have money then songlap all u can, if no money then kelabu asap loh..lol
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we also had no clue when KWSP willl shutdown the EPF Acc 2 withdrawal for members. that for either home loan principle reduction or monthly payment. we know they kwsp already discontinue to skim beli komputer.

but when there is serious need for MOF (kementrian kewangan). the reserves are thinning out. they will stop the scheme as i mentioned. because the terms are subject to changes.

then the rest of all will............ u know i know.

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Yeah its a must to have a personal backup retirement funds to epf. The govt is not being led by intelligent people anymore.
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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 17 2014, 11:23 PM)
I'm either UUU nor DDD camp. Am not concern whether bubble burst in 2014 or not! Since no one has ctr ovr it, why waste time n energ to worry/guess sky will fall or not? (Btw, I enjoy reading responses frm various forumers!)

Is it the flipper forumers here caused the property up in local market? I don't think so, instead they r many invisible hands in the market frm all directions (locally n overseas) with tons of CA$H$ n easy access to decision maker$, who can easily fund the projects, or/and buy en-blocks. When so called bubble burst, they still profitable by selling u with 30% disc. Hard to believe! then do more research....
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:16 PM)
we also had no clue when KWSP willl shutdown the EPF Acc 2 withdrawal for members. that for either home loan principle reduction or monthly payment. we know they kwsp already discontinue to skim beli komputer.

but when there is serious need for MOF (kementrian kewangan). the reserves are thinning out. they will stop the scheme as i mentioned. because the terms are subject to changes.

then the rest of all will............ u know i know.
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this is a real concern. one can see they will be trying one thing after another to slow cash going out, keeping their greedy games in play.

imagine incomes and therefore epf contriubution not rising fast enough, more capable n highly paid people go away (told to do so since they dun like whatever...). i still dun believe it but have heard 2 cases last year full withdrawals were told "no money, pls wait..." shakehead.gif

bottomline is: if epf ever resorts to changing major rules to seriously block eligible withdrawals, it's already long over.

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 18 2014, 02:48 PM)
this is a real concern. one can see they will be trying one thing after another to slow cash going out, keeping their greedy games in play.

imagine incomes and therefore epf contriubution not rising fast enough, more capable n highly paid people go away (told to do so since they dun like whatever...). i still dun believe it but have heard 2 cases last year full withdrawals were told "no money, pls wait..." shakehead.gif

bottomline is: if epf ever resorts to changing major rules to seriously block eligible withdrawals, it's already long over.
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we as contributors are bound by the terms KWSP had for us. from the 1st day we go to work. cause we entrust our monies for their investment purposes. that inturn pays us annual dividents. however the one who make the call is MOF.

i also had frens who apply rm30,000 for principle reduction. but it was rejected and EPF ask them to do monthly installment payment to loan acc lols.
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base on yearly BLR movement as per discussion below;

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3102196

the sustainable fix rate last only 3 years. for example BLR 6% from 2004 to 2006. well for 2011, 2012 & 2013 is 6.6% we had no idea what the govt will have in store for 2014 - 2015. taking into consideration GST are to kick start. a lot of outside discussion saying BLR will go up tremendously under najib's administration. reason for this is his financial management whom overbudgets and always ask for supplementary top ups.

there hardly any news govt are to control the price of building materials. this is for sure properties are to go up. not forgetting mega project like mrt/lrt in coincident.

property bubble will not burst so soon in msia. when it does burst like USA. many homes/premisses are foreclosed by the bank. the financial sectors will sell the properties at lower prices below market value. however market uncertainties surely hamper buyers. cause this is the time most ppl be tightening thier belts. this is basically survival. that was time when MY1 = USD$3.0.

when times good ppl making money. so buying is something in mind for own security and investment. when times are bad majority loses their jobs, bisnes shutdown and many entrepreneur suffers bankcruptcy. properties are avail cheaper in bulks. do u have what it takes to buy them? this exception for ppl with lotsa cash reserves in hand.

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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:53 PM)
we as contributors are bound by the terms KWSP had for us. from the 1st day we go to work. cause we entrust our monies for their investment purposes. that inturn pays us annual dividents. however the one who make the call is MOF.

i also had frens who apply rm30,000 for principle reduction. but it was rejected and EPF ask them to do monthly installment payment to loan acc lols.
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My hunch tells me that our epf money might be in local stock market.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:16 PM)
we also had no clue when KWSP willl shutdown the EPF Acc 2 withdrawal for members. that for either home loan principle reduction or monthly payment. we know they kwsp already discontinue to skim beli komputer.

but when there is serious need for MOF (kementrian kewangan). the reserves are thinning out. they will stop the scheme as i mentioned. because the terms are subject to changes.

then the rest of all will............ u know i know.
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I always believe everyone is the best fund manager for themselves. My thought is that withdraw as much as you can from EPF, for house or whatever eligible purchase it is. Provided you are someone disciplined who have other kind of savings or investment that suit your retirement plan..

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:14 AM)
does BN have control over sg bank  brows.gif
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no ah. but all central bank follow US one.....
all this is caused by central bank

to sum it up,

good growth = ( low interest rates ) x ( monetary supply )

when BNM increased the minimum downpayment for house, they are tightening, or decreasing money supply.
reduce credit card limit is also a form of tightening

QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 11:16 AM)
if u looking at the past. it's challenge how ppl sustain loan payments. todate the loan payment had been revised. which borrower pays the same amount as per contractual agreement. however with increase in BLR or interest rate. their principle reduction is lesser. hence there is room for air.

only differences you may not complete settlement as per contract. it will drag longer and bank see this policy by BNM as win win situation for them earn more money over your outstanding balances... whistling.gif
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yes true....however a lot of people forgotten the asian financial crisis during 1998.
when people lose jobs, how can they pay for their instalment ?

how many months of saving they have kept for bad months ?
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:56 PM)
My hunch tells me that our epf money might be in local stock market.
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Not only in local equity market, but local financial market mostly. They do have investments aboard in properties and financial securities.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 18 2014, 02:56 PM)
My hunch tells me that our epf money might be in local stock market.
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not forgetting bail-outs too..

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QUOTE(SchnauLover @ Jan 18 2014, 02:57 PM)
I always believe everyone is the best fund manager for themselves. My thought is that withdraw as much as you can from EPF, for house or whatever eligible purchase it is. Provided you are someone disciplined who have other kind of savings or investment that suit your retirement plan..
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not everyone is good fund manager. some withdrawal are out of desperation. they engage agents that inturn find provisional to make fraudual withdrawals...

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QUOTE(SchnauLover @ Jan 18 2014, 03:01 PM)
Not only in local equity market, but local financial market mostly. They do have investments aboard in properties and financial securities.
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"Foreign funds" r pulling out, index stays the same or goes higher. There is hell of a big hand supporting the market.
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QUOTE(toh2020 @ Jan 18 2014, 03:08 PM)
not everyone is good fund manager. some withdrawal are out of desperation. they engage agents that inturn find provisional to make fraudual withdrawals...
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That is beyond any explanations if one makes early fraudulent withdrawal and leaves the retirement unplanned.

And i think i prefer to risk my money rather than someone else do it for me.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 03:01 PM)
yes true....however a lot of people forgotten the asian financial crisis during 1998.
when people lose jobs, how can they pay for their instalment ?

how many months of saving they have kept for bad months ?
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they usually make epf2 withdrawal for mthly loan payments. if they have sufficient balances. i m not sure if that scheme is available that time. during 1998

tightening their belts with whatever savings they got. till they find new job. borrow from family, friends and relatives.. this is biasa..
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Amidst all this we still have people lining upto give cheques to developers :-D
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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 18 2014, 03:01 PM)
no ah. but all central bank follow US one.....
all this is caused by central bank

to sum it up,

good growth = ( low interest rates ) x ( monetary supply )

when BNM increased the minimum downpayment for house, they are tightening, or decreasing money supply.
reduce credit card limit is also a form of tightening


how many months of saving they have kept for bad months ?
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imho.. looking pass trending, its not a systemic trending.. sg rate has been for very long time, but msia blr n opr is raising to almost pre-subprime era.. although US has influence on global economy, but each country is still putting measure base on respective policy.. china interest rate has been pretty high all this while..

foreign banks (as in apply loan from their countries) are not controlled by BN.. 70% LTV is not applied.. Nett pricing not applied.. 70% DSR not applied.. Nett pricing not applied.. raising opr n blr not controlled by BN..

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http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...-to-high-income

http://chedet.cc/?p=1192

Wonder anyone read this very interesting article. .as much many do not like him but the grand old man definately have good foresight. . brows.gif

What the point of high income when the income can't exchange for better living..hmm

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 18 2014, 05:20 PM)
imho.. looking pass trending, its not a systemic trending.. sg rate has been for very long time, but msia blr n opr is raising to almost pre-subprime era.. although US has influence on global economy, but each country is still putting measure base on respective policy.. china interest rate has been pretty high all this while..

foreign banks (as in apply loan from their countries) are not controlled by BN.. 70% LTV is not applied.. Nett pricing not applied.. 70% DSR not applied.. Nett pricing not applied.. raising opr n blr not controlled by BN..
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help me to understand better.

so you are DDD or BBB group?
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help me to understand better.

so you are DDD or BBB group?
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neutral... just telling observation...
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People continue to BBB.. rclxms.gif


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Wana know still project still entitle with dibs, less than 10% downpayment, loan based on net selling price? Look like these are the basic measure that people think should cease the bbb mode with immediate effect..
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Article in STAR today 19 Jan 2014
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Property's Hazy Outlook

18 Jan 2014

Last weekend, about 1,600 participants attended a property seminar called Property Outlook Conference 2014 in Kuala Lumpur.

Organised by an event organiser, speakers comprised property consultants, developers and property gurus. Participants comprised largely investors and investor-wannabes, property professionals from companies and real estate agencies, a sprinkling of analysts and the media.

One of the speakers says it was one of the largest groups he has ever spoken to when it comes to a local property seminar. Usually, the turnout hovers between 600 and 800, he says.

An executive director of an international property consultancy who was there says he felt as though he was attending "a multi-level marketing seminar."

The fact that an event manager organised the seminar single-handedly, albeit with developers as sponsors, underscores the leverage offered by the property sector.

Secondly, the turnout underscores the investing public's hunger for information, says two property professionals. Early bird registrants paid RM200 per pax, a couple paid RM499 while latecomers paid between RM800 and RM1,000 per pax. They were "hungry" because since the introduction of the cooling measures in October, coupled with the various price increase involving toll charges, petrol, electricity tariffs, cut in sugar subsidy, the sector has become rather opaque.



Says Malaysia Institute of Estate Agents (MIEA) president Siva Shanker: "Both developers and investors did not know what hit them post-Budget 2014. The last three months of 2013 were bad. The sector went into a tailspin."

Siva says in the last four years, prices in some areas went up 30% to 35% in the span of a year - an unhealthy situation because the fundamentals were not there. On a national basis, the issue of house prices is not an issue, it is only in certain areas that prices have gone up multiple times in relation to annual household incomes, he says. He likens the property market before the budget to a car about to crash as it careens downhill, if the cooling measures were not introduced.

"If the car does not slow down, it will crash," he says.

Siva says of all the sub-segments in the property sector, he is most concerned about the residential sub-segment, the main driver of the sector.

Siva says there is a huge oversupply in Kuala Lumpur, Penang and Iskandar Malaysia in Johor, including serviced apartments which are developed under commercial status.

The 2013/14 slowdown

Siva says not many may have realised it, but the property sector slowed down in 2013. "We think 2014 will see a slowdown of the sector, but that actually started in 2013.

"Sales are expected to be slow for the first two quarters. We expect to see sales going up in the second half of this year and find its own level, barring external factors. Sales will not be great, but it will not be as bad as first two quarters of this year," says Siva.

"The goods and service tax (GST) due in April 2015 will create another bout of uncertain. Although most of the countries in the region - with the exception of Brunei and Malaysia - have some form of GST or value added tax (VAT), we have yet to experience its effect. We expect some knee-jerk reaction which will result in a price increase but it is 2016 that I expect prices to climb," he says.

But before 2016, there is 2014 to deal with.

"2014 will be Iskandar Malaysia's tipping point. (But) there is also a huge oversupply in Penang and the Klang Valley, especially high-rise projects, be there condominiums or serviced apartments," he says.

Stocker Roberts & Gupta Sdn Bhd valuer Das Gupta who runs a firm about 10 minutes walk from the Petronas Twin Towers says the slowdown actually started in 2012.



"Many missed the signals," he says. "Land and property prices around here (Kuala Lumpur City Centre) have been stagnating since 2012.

"That was a slow year. High-end properties around the KLCC and in Mont' Kiara stopped moving forward the past one year in terms of both capital appreciation and rental.

"In some cases, rental and prices have dropped a notch or two," he says.

How does one account then for the sale of a parcel of land sandwiched between Wisma Central and a Chinese temple fronting Jalan Ampang sold to Singapore-listed developer Oxley Holdings Ltd by Loke Wan Yat estate?

The 1.25 hecatres (3.1 acres) parcel was sold in December for a record RM3,300 per sq ft or RM446.7mil.

"That was an exceptional parcel because of its location and size. It is not the market norm and should not be used as a measure of overall property sector performance," he says. Das says while land deals belong to the big boys' arena, it is the ordinary people that he is most concerned about. "Nothing hits the rich," he says.

Das says suburban vacant land with demand potential have become exorbitantly high. Some of these owners are second or third generation owners. They have no liabilities on these real estate. "Developers have to price their end products very high in order to justify paying such high prices. (So) they rather walk away."

The retail story

Royal Institution of Surveyors Malaysia (RISM) vice president Adzman Shah Mohd Ariffin says the market is evolving. "There are a number of developments in the United States and in Asia. All these events will impact Malaysia."

Adzman highlighted Indonesia's rupiah weakening last year and Thailand political demonstrations, now in its second month.

Adzman says the weak rupiah may attract companies to invest there. That will impact Malaysia.

"We seem stable when compared to our neighbours but we have our own issues to settle," he says.

Adzman, who runs a property and retail consultancy Exastrata Solutions Sdn Bhd says businesses are recalculating their margins with the various price increases involving electricity tariffs, sugar, possibly toll rates and petrol prices.

He draws attention to the recent inflation figures by Standard Chartered Bank South-East Asia regional head of research Edward Lee. Lee says Malaysia's inflation rate is expected to increase to 3.4% for the first nine months this year from 2.1% in the same period last year. The jump reflects one of the biggest in Asia; it is also the fastest acceleration in almost two years.

Adzman is helping three malls with retail tenancy. Two of them are new while the third is an existing mall.

"Retailers today are cautious about location, their catchment areas and overall expansion. They have been cautious since the middle of last year. There is a lot of focus now on tourism to help bring in revenue but this is limited to cities and tourist areas. Suburban malls are dependent on their respective catchment areas," he says.

"Most businesses are waiting for first half year figures. This will be a good indication (where we are heading)," he says.

Adzman says retailers are feeling the heat because consumers are not buying.

"Retailers are clearing stock by cutting prices to ensure they are not stuck with old stocks when the market slows. They release space for new stocks in order to create demand," says Adzman.

The raise in toll, petrol and parking charges may result in people heading to the mall closest to them instead of heading downtown which means downtown malls will be tourist-dependent, he says.

Retail Group Malaysia MD Tan Hai Hsin in a January 2014 report based on interviews with members of the Malaysia Retailers Association says the industy reported a sluggish third quarter for 2013. The July-September quarter grew 3.1% compared with 4.6% in the preceding quarter, and 4.8% for the same period in the preceding year.

Ramadan and Hari Raya, which fell on the third quarter of 2013, failed to lift overall retail sales, he says. This confirms Adzman's views that on the Malaysia retail industry has been slow since the middle of last year.

In many ways, the retail sector and private consumption are good indicators for the overall economy.

The consumer sentiment index, according to Tan, dropped from 122.9 in the first quarter of 2013, to 109.7 (Q2) and 102.0 (Q3). The next batch of numbers to look out for will be National Property Information Centre (Napic) figures on transaction volume and transaction value.

This is expected to be released in March/April.

The jump in property prices at 30% to 35% a year in some areas since 2010 has changed the sector's profile and has resulted in an equally stratospheric jump in interest among investors, with 20-somethings piling in.

In many ways, this is reminiscient of the 1990s stock market super bull run when college students and 20-somethings diligently applied for initial public offerings with the hope of a gain. They trotted a similar path in the recent bout of interest in the property sector.

Siva says "these young people are shielded from the international highs and lows of the global economy, and the national ups and downs, and whose trickle down effect is yet to be felt."

"The introduction of developers interest bearing scheme (DIBS) enabled many to buy properties they cannot afford and don't need. The question is: Will they be able to get tenants? If not, will they be able to pay the mortgage when payment kicks in?"

The introduction of cooling measures may also result in a shift in interest from the primary back to secondary market when buyers turn to sub-sales instead of buying directly from the developers. In an earlier report by Elvin Fernandez, managing director of Khong & Jaafar group of companies, he said in 2009 and 2010, primary transactions comprised about 12% and secondary market transactions about 87% of total residential transactions of 211,600 in 2009 and 226,874 (2010) respectively.

In 2011 and 2012, primary transactions went up to about a fifth of the total number of residential transactions whereas the secondary market accounted about 79% (or 214,044) and 77% (212,428) respectively. There was a drop in secondary market sales from 214,044 in 2011 to 212,428 in 2012.

Says Elvin: "This means there was a run-up in the primary sector of the market by about 35,000 units a year or close to 3,000 units a month.

The question today is, where will these group of ?speculators' turn to in their search for alternative investments?"

With fixed interest rates at about 3% per annum and volatility in the share market, will interest in the property market return to the secondary market? Will all the euphoria of the last several years mark a return to the days before 2009 when property investments were dull and boring? This lack of clarity is the reason why property seminars attract a full house.



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This lowyat rating above today only polled 38% that said property market is down or pockets of market is down. Refer to article from star today for other analyst/property player views.

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From number of people attended the seminar implying;
1. Many made profit earlier and addicted.
2. Many are hungry for more investment.
3. Many are unaware price stagnant started in 2013 and expecting more price increase.
4. Many new comers wanted to join in.

Despite advise from experts, many will continue to invest believing they know better. Bubble will continue to grow from these group on investors alone regardless of genuine demand or general economy until many could no longer hold for the next suckers.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 19 2014, 12:01 PM)
From number of people attended the seminar implying;
1. Many made profit earlier.
2. Many are hungry for more investment.
3. Many are unaware price stagnant started in 2013 and expecting more price increase.
4. Many new comers wanted to join in.

Bubble will continue to grow from these group on investors alone regardless of genuine demand or general economy until many could no longer hold for the next suckers.
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Greater Fool Theory, constantly find a greater fool to buy your property until the last one end up as greatest fool, same like those who bought oil at USD 148 during 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

In real estate the greater fool theory can drive investment under the expectation that prices will rise, or force need-based-buyers to out bid irrational or ill-informed buyers.
A need-basis can be for basic housing or for organizations fulfilling exigent commercial interests.
This phenomenon may also occur
among banks offering real estate financing.

Now properties become no.1 pyramid/Get rich scheme/pak man telo in Malaysia. ..lol

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 19 2014, 12:10 PM)
Greater Fool Theory,  constantly find a greater fool to buy your property until the last one end up as greatest fool, same like those who bought oil at USD 148 during 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

Now properties become no.1 pyramid/Get rich scheme/pak man telo in Malaysia. ..lol
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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Jan 19 2014, 08:35 AM)
This lowyat rating above today only polled 38% that said property market is down or pockets of market is down.
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well, the interpretation can be...

"in lyn, a random poll suggested that 62% are still invested and do not think prop prices will fall or prop market will slow down." tongue.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 19 2014, 12:10 PM)
Greater Fool Theory,  constantly find a greater fool to buy your property until the last one end up as greatest fool, same like those who bought oil at USD 148 during 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_fool_theory

In real estate the greater fool theory can drive investment under the expectation that prices will rise, or force need-based-buyers to out bid irrational or ill-informed buyers.
A need-basis can be for basic housing or for organizations fulfilling exigent commercial interests.
This phenomenon may also occur
among banks offering real estate financing.

Now properties become no.1 pyramid/Get rich scheme/pak man telo in Malaysia. ..lol
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 19 2014, 12:32 PM)
well, the interpretation can be...

"in lyn, a random poll suggested that 62% are still invested and do not think prop prices will fall or prop market will slow down." tongue.gif
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To overcome short term price stagnant, believe many will focus their investment on properties to be delivered in a few years time. Hence, expect a drop in subsales demand but higher demand on new launch.
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QUOTE(siakap5 @ Jan 19 2014, 12:50 PM)
Don't use the word fool. Mind your own stupidness before you call people fool.
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Can't blame you majority property agent/flipper have problem understanding simple english.

Change to Greater Barramundi then, suits U..lol

It's a famous theory not insulting anyone, try Google it yourself, don't people read nowadays. .sigh

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QUOTE(siakap5 @ Jan 19 2014, 12:50 PM)
Don't use the word fool. Mind your own stupidness before you call people fool.
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He's not calling anyone a fool. Its a theory that uses that word.
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Don't use the word fool. Mind your own stupidness before you call people fool.
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Haizz...the word 'fool' is used in the context of the theory. But one thing for sure....please mind your own stupidness before you call other people stupid. Really don't know how you learn english while at school.....hizzzz
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 19 2014, 12:32 PM)
well, the interpretation can be...

"in lyn, a random poll suggested that 62% are still invested and do not hope prop prices will fall or prop market will slow down." tongue.gif
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Don't use the word fool. Mind your own stupidness before you call people fool.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 19 2014, 12:32 PM)
well, the interpretation can be...

"in lyn, a random poll suggested that 62% are still invested and do not think prop prices will fall or prop market will slow down." tongue.gif
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The more ppl vote no bubble, the closer we are to a bubble burst. This is standard bell curve trend, which means we have reach the peak of the curve. What follows only down, since most ppl already invested no more buyers out there!
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Some people will be very unhappy. But those who buy for own stay shouldnt feel agitated right?
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QUOTE(value_investor @ Jan 19 2014, 02:24 PM)
The more ppl vote no bubble, the closer we are to a bubble burst. This is standard bell curve trend, which means we have reach the peak of the curve. What follows only down, since most ppl already invested no more buyers out there!
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With limited land, growing population, rising raw materials price and gst, investors believe and prefer linear growth trend and exponential growth trend.

People who studied mathematics or statistics knows nut about roi, cocr or making real money.

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Global Economic Boom come liao....

The world economy, by contrast, will grow at a 2.7% rate this year, before accelerating to a 3.6% rate in 2014 and 3.9% in 2015.


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January 14, 2014 – Five years after the global financial crisis, the world economy is showing signs of bouncing back this year, pulled along by a recovery in high-income economies, says the World Bank’s latest Global Economic Prospects report, issued today.

Developing-country growth is also firming, thanks in part to the recovery in high-income economies as well as moderating, but still strong, growth in China.

Growth prospects for 2014 are, however, sensitive to the tapering of monetary stimulus in the United States, which began earlier this month, and to the structural shifts taking place in China’s economy.

The report forecasts growth in developing countries to pick up from 4.8 percent in 2013 to a slower than previously expected 5.3 percent this year, 5.5 percent in 2015 and 5.7 percent in 2016. While the pace is about 2.2 percentage points lower than during the boom period of 2003-07, the slower growth is not a cause for concern. Almost all of the difference reflects a cooling off of the unsustainable turbo-charged pre-crisis growth, with very little due to an easing of growth potential in developing countries. Moreover, even this slower growth represents a substantial (60 percent) improvement compared with growth in the 1980s and early 1990s.

Global GDP is projected to grow from 2.4 percent in 2013 to 3.2 percent this year, stabilizing at 3.4 percent and 3.5 percent in 2015 and 2016, respectively, with much of the initial acceleration reflecting a pick-up in high-income economies

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2014-2016 might be the last boat for investment, when we meet in next economic crisis... else wait for 6-9 years more. (2-3 years economic boom + 2-3 year economic crisis + 2-3 year cooling)
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QUOTE(sk2000 @ Jan 16 2014, 11:33 AM)
Acroris SOHO is selling at 1000PSF++ now with RM4k cash back per month for 2 years from developer.
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With this rebate scheme, BBB continue! Price stagnant or demand drop in next 2 years is not a concern.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 19 2014, 04:12 PM)
With this rebate scheme, BBB continue! Price stagnant or demand drop in next 2 years is not a concern.
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Own stay or investment? will able to sale after VP still a question mark.
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Vp in 2017 or 2018, price and demand will be in UUU by then.

Many in BBB wanted to buy more but couldn't get loan. Damn the bnm for not allowing investors to support the market.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 19 2014, 04:30 PM)
Vp in 2017 or 2018, price and demand will be in UUU by then.

Many in BBB wanted to buy more but couldn't get loan. Damn the bnm for not allowing investors to support the market.
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it will all go down the drain.. bubble going bigger bigger and bigger.. for investment.. it going to be outright non sales as too high... and many cash already locked beneath... now developer launch already 640k new cheras condo.. there is really no room for investment..

"The end draws near", happy buying and investing
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 19 2014, 04:30 PM)
Vp in 2017 or 2018, price and demand will be in UUU by then.

Many in BBB wanted to buy more but couldn't get loan. Damn the bnm for not allowing investors to support the market.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 19 2014, 05:04 PM)
No

it will all go down the drain.. bubble going bigger bigger and bigger.. for investment.. it going to be outright non sales as too high... and many cash already locked beneath... now developer launch already 640k new cheras condo.. there is really no room for investment..

"The end draws near", happy buying and investing
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To BBB, newly launched at 640k proved their foresight is correct, already paper gain on what they have invested. VP in 3 or 4 years means definite, higher gain and will retire comfortably by 35 y.o.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 19 2014, 05:04 PM)
No

it will all go down the drain.. bubble going bigger bigger and bigger.. for investment.. it going to be outright non sales as too high... and many cash already locked beneath... now developer launch already 640k new cheras condo.. there is really no room for investment..

"The end draws near", happy buying and investing
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if there is no room for investment, harder to get loan, speculator stay away and let genuine own use buyers to buy for own staying..

so lesser speculation activity, bubble contained.. not good meh.. brows.gif
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 19 2014, 05:14 PM)
If one can't secure any more loan mean they r not qualify to be a investor,  at most a gambler,  bank don't give loan to gamblers,  maybe can try ah long since guaranteed earn. ..lol
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To some; Banks deprive investors opportunity so that they won't look embarrassed that investors could make a lot more than their educated and qualified officiers.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 19 2014, 05:24 PM)
To some; Banks deprive investors opportunity so that they won't look embarrassed that investors could make a lot more than their educated and qualified officiers.
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I don't blame u, after all this is a Sunday...lol


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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 19 2014, 05:19 PM)
if there is no room for investment, harder to get loan, speculator stay away and let genuine own use buyers to buy for own staying..

so lesser speculation activity, bubble contained.. not good meh..  brows.gif
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But BBB group see cheras project only they will die die die must buy buy.. so they dun believe in bubble
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 19 2014, 09:42 PM)
But BBB group see cheras project only they will die die die must buy buy.. so they dun believe in bubble
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what is the sales performance in cheras that makes you think BBB?
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what is the sales performance in cheras that makes you think BBB?
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Actually my crystal ball... cheras prop anyting left in new launch based on your previous experirnce? Sold but vacant a lot lor.. like connought avenue.. amanya maluri.. pertama residency.. and etc

u see ecovest cheras only left big units and of course expensive lu.. even d MARK .. LIDO ..you city& vista complete sapu.. VYNA.. c100 cheras selatan.. silk residenc3
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Cheras alone has an estimated 45 new havent-announced HIGHRISE only projects on the way....

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 19 2014, 10:01 PM)
Actually my crystal ball... cheras prop anyting left in new launch based on your previous experirnce? Sold but vacant a lot lor.. like connought avenue.. amanya maluri.. pertama residency.. and etc

u see ecovest cheras only left big units and of course expensive lu.. even d MARK .. LIDO ..you city& vista complete sapu.. VYNA.. c100 cheras selatan.. silk residenc3
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If everything base on "Crystal ball", in chinese we say "you say everything liao".. because it is baseless brows.gif

Those project you mention are completed or sold before the cooling measure starts.. thus behavior could be different with new cooling measure take place.. sales of certain area starts to cool down..

If the cooling measure manage to control the speculation activity, primary market can be cool down abit and avoiding catastrophic collapse.. possible of primary market stagnation, minor correction on pricing, until demand filling up the supply and the market starts to kick off again.. (if the cooling measures works).. In other words, maybe property price will not go down as much as 50% which some ppl are hoping for, and they continue to wait.. smile.gif

As long as ppl manage to repay, they wont get default.. bank will try to assist as much as possible to avoid defaulters.. Auctioning the houses below market value and recover the debt.. engaging AKPK to renegotiate loan agreement.. this kind of auctioning and defaulting happen all the time but just a matter of systemic or non-systemic. If things doesnt happen in systemic behavior, we might just experience property market segment slow down and minor correction which is not a bad thing and able to avoid the bubble bursting..

When primary market slowdown, good news for secondary market especially those who bought 2 to 3 years ago with 300psft to 400psft pricing.. because to the market now, 400psft to 500psft consider market price of below market price.. smile.gif

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We discuss a lot on the micro level, lets hear what Dato Sri Gavin has to say on a macro level..

(Its a Taiwan Program)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqZZZIAipuk


Sorry its only in Mandarin.. My stand is neutral, I am just sharing.. some one say sharing is caring.. (but I dont spam) nod.gif

Although this video was last year before the cooling measure, but some points are worth to note..
Whether you agree with him and another lady or not is base on your own opinion and understanding on the property market..

will it be a case where some group of ppl continuously waiting for prop crash to buy cheap prop but waiting forever and end up paying even more because they wait too long?

Cheers.. smile.gif

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The cooling measures are in fact preventing bubbling and bursting, not a sign for bursting.
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The cooling measures are in fact preventing bubbling and bursting, not a sign for bursting.
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+1 .. some ppl think that the cooling measure is the cause of bubble burst.. shakehead.gif
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+1 .. some ppl think that the cooling measure is the cause of bubble burst..  shakehead.gif
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Diff perspective ma boss. Tats y some missed the boat lo. laugh.gif
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i think this time you smack urself in your face...

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Don't use the word fool. Mind your own stupidness before you call people fool.
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the only bear (DDD) thread in this forum.

4 Critical Signs of a Bubble Market (cybermaster98)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3031756

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We had a good thread which had good factual discussions but most importantly, for once we had something we could reference against for the future and see if the 4 signs were actually prove to be true. And now because of the emergence of this thread, my other thread was blocked and that reference is now gone. Thats the problem with LYN. Everybody keeps creating new threads for the same damn topic and there is no proper reference for the future especially in discussions about property pricing and whether the signs that we're seeing now are truly reflective of an upcoming property slump. But now its lost and all we have is just a poll which means almost nothing because half the voters are property agents.

My first thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3031756

Version 2 which was closed:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3100773

Really disappointing because property prices is something which has significant impact on most of us here investors or speculators alike.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 19 2014, 11:49 PM)
We had a good thread which had good factual discussions but most importantly, for once we had something we could reference against for the future and see if the 4 signs were actually prove to be true. And now because of the emergence of this thread, my other thread was blocked and that reference is now gone. Thats the problem with LYN. Everybody keeps creating new threads for the same damn topic and there is no proper reference for the future especially in discussions about property pricing and whether the signs that we're seeing now are truly reflective of an upcoming property slump. But now its lost and all we have is just a poll which means almost nothing because half the voters are property agents.

My first thread:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3031756

Version 2 which was closed:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3100773

Really disappointing because property prices is something which has significant impact on most of us here investors or speculators alike.
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haiyo ya lorr.. the one with lots of arguments one shut down.. but nevertheless.. i think most of us got the message..
maybe our thread got "special attention liao" very difficult...actually i no need to see the rules i know di.. the discretion will be absolutely on their hands.. we cant contest..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 19 2014, 11:57 PM)
haiyo ya lorr.. the one with lots of arguments one shut down.. but nevertheless.. i think most of us got the message..
maybe our thread got "special attention liao" very difficult...actually i no need to see the rules i know di.. the discretion will be absolutely on their hands.. we cant contest..
Its not about arguments and its not about getting a message across. It was meant to be a REFERENCE POINT. Its not a competition and i dont really care who starts any thread. But after so long we finally had a thread which has specific signs of a property slump which we could reference in the future to see if it was true or otherwise. And now because of this typical poll type thread (which we have had hundreds in the past), we will lose that point of reference. This thread is just another one of those DDD or UUU thread we have seen. Nothing differerent. Polls are also not reflective of the reality of whats happening (as we all know). Sadly we have now lost a good reference.

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Everyone buying property now must have at least 3 years financial buffer. I don't think property price will drop drastically but believe it will stagnant for sometimes. Be prepare to pay instalment n higher interest. Despite all these challenges, I still believe property price will appreciate further in 2016 onwards.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 20 2014, 12:02 AM)
Its not about arguments and its not about getting a message across. It was meant to be a REFERENCE POINT. Its not a competition and i dont really care who starts any thread. But after so long we finally had a thread which has specific signs of a property slump which we could reference in the future to see if it was true or otherwise. And now because of this typical poll type thread (which we have had hundreds in the past), we will lose that point of reference. This thread is just another one of those DDD or UUU thread we have seen. Nothing differerent. Polls are also not reflective of the reality of whats happening (as we all know). Sadly we have now lost a good reference.
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I did reference your thread in the first post. This thread was open right after your 4 signs was closed as a continuation to the current property market discussion. Poll is just an extra to gauge market sentiment, reference point will still be there and we will be able to read the original thread for years to come.

As for discussion, you could always steer it towards your direction, do not see a big deal here. Anyway, since mod only allow one bear thread in the forum let me edit the first post and add your original posting .
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 20 2014, 12:22 AM)
I did reference your thread in the first post. This thread was open right after your 4 signs was closed as a continuation to the current property market discussion. Poll is just an extra to gauge market sentiment, reference point will still be there and we will be able to read the original thread for years to come.

As for discussion, you could always steer it towards your direction, do not see a big deal here. Anyway, since mod only allow one bear thread in the forum let me edit the first post and add your original posting .
This thread is NOT a continuation. If it was a continuation, it would have been a Version 2 of the same title. But now its just another one of those threads. The title means alot for future reference. The poll means nothing (as always) and no there will not be any reference because nobody will be looking for this thread as its just another one of those normal threads. You started this thread without giving me (or anybody else) a chance to continue a Version 2.

Again, its not a competition. I merely wanted to create a proper reference thread with the proper information contained not just to have a DDD or UUU discussion. Now that is lost because of how this thread has been positioned. The meaning has been lost and cannot be found with a title like "is the bubble bursting'. Just type 'property bubble' and click search. See the number of similar type threads which appear in the results. WHats gonna make ppl wanna reference this? Thats why i chose that topic of the 4 SIGNS. That was different and could be used as a future reference.

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Everyone read post here for the past 2years know all poll go one direction.

One person can vote many times.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 20 2014, 12:31 AM)
This thread is NOT a continuation. If it was a continuation, it would have been a Version 2 of the same title. But now its just another one of those threads. The title means alot for future reference. The poll means nothing (as always) and no there will not be any reference because nobody will be looking for this thread as its just another one of those normal threads. You started this thread without giving me (or anybody else) a chance to continue a Version 2.

Again, its not a competition. I merely wanted to create a proper reference thread with the proper information contained not just to have a DDD or UUU discussion. Now that is lost because of how this thread has been positioned. The meaning has been lost and cannot be found with a title like "is the bubble bursting'.
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I did not start it as a V2. Cherroy edited it and added V2 there.
This poll might mean nothing to you, but people are voting, and 344 votes later we get some sense of the market sentiment, albeit it is only limited to those who frequent this forum.

Please do not get so worked up on the title. Whatever the title, both UUU and DDD will come flooding in debating and belittling each other, in between these posts we will get some quality gem response. The same goes to your original thread, or even your V2 which was closed earlier.

I will leave you the privilege of starting V3, whatever title you wished to put there. peace.
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 20 2014, 12:49 AM)
Everyone read post here for the past 2years know all poll go one direction.

One person can vote many times.
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I did not start it as a V2. Cherroy edited it and added V2 there.
This poll might mean nothing to you, but people are voting, and 344 votes later we get some sense of the market sentiment, albeit it is only limited to those who frequent this forum.

Please do not get so worked up on the title. Whatever the title, both UUU and DDD will come flooding in debating and belittling each other, in between these posts we will get some quality gem response. The same goes to your original thread, or even your V2 which was closed earlier.

I will leave you the privilege of starting V3, whatever title you wished to put there. peace.
What sense of market sentiment are u getting from the poll? Who are those voting as Option 3 and 4 in your poll? U think those are all actual property investors? Do u know how many of those commenting here are agents? U diverted the whole discussion into a poll which means nothing because this poll (just like all previous ones) are NEVER reflective of actual market conditions. Ask any seasoned contributer in the property section of LYN and they will tell you.

This thread was a mistake not because of the type of discussions but because we have lost a good reference point because of your haste to start a topic and get your name on the board. I had no issue with your thread until my Version 2 was closed cuz that meant a loss of reference. U think this thread is gonna be alive in months to come? You obviously have not had much experience in LYN Property section for sure if ure thinking along these lines. There was no reason for you to start this thread so soon after V1 was closed. Now this will become another one of those 'also rans' type threads about the future of the property market.


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What sense of market sentiment are u getting from the poll? Who are those voting as Option 3 and 4 in your poll? U think those are all actual property investors? Do u know how many of those commenting here are agents? U diverted the whole discussion into a poll which means nothing because this poll (just like all previous ones) are NEVER reflective of actual market conditions. Ask any seasoned contributer in the property section of LYN and they will tell you.

This thread was a mistake not because of the type of discussions but because we have lost a good reference point because of your haste to start a topic and get your name on the board. I had no issue with your thread until my Version 2 was closed cuz that meant a loss of reference. U think this thread is gonna be alive in months to come? You obviously have not had much experience in LYN Property section for sure if ure thinking along these lines. There was no reason for you to start this thread so soon after V1 was closed. Now this will become another one of those 'also rans' type threads about the future of the property market.
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no wonder lahh many agents ahh... no wonder the result tilted in such a way signifies a BBB wave still on the move.. cehhh... but in actual fact sudah DDD... why lehh.. got invisible hands in LYN ?? hmm
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 20 2014, 12:49 AM)
Everyone read post here for the past 2years know all poll go one direction.
Exactly my point! Polls here in the property section about future performance of the market is almost virtually rubbish. If he wanted to start a poll on this no problem but he referenced my earlier thread and turned this into another bear market discussion which went against LYN rules and because of that crap timing rule, his thread went thru while my 'real' V2 got blocked. And now we have lost a good reference.

For once i wanted to see if these signs could actually be used to gauge the market's future performance. It was a test and i wanted to see what the LYN forummers thought. That thread could have gone on for ages (even well into 2015/2016) because the title was correct and discussions were fine. But all that has now gone up in smoke because of one hasty forumer who decided to jump the gun merely to get his name on the board. If i had taken like a few days to start V2 then fine but this was barely a day and yet he did it without thinking.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 20 2014, 01:03 AM)
no wonder lahh many agents ahh... no wonder the result tilted in such a way signifies a BBB wave still on the move.. cehhh... but in actual fact sudah DDD... why lehh.. got invisible hands in LYN ?? hmm
Nothing new la bro. Seasoned forumers in LYN know this thats why they dont bother starting polls for this purpose. Thats why im pissed that a good thread was ruined by an over zealous forumer. He didnt even have the sense to ask me at least before starting. The very least he should have done was use the exact same title with the same info posted so that we have a continuity. Now we only have the discussions which wont last long because of the title of the thread. Seasoned forumers know how important a title is to garner interest and make future reference easier.

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What sense of market sentiment are u getting from the poll? Who are those voting as Option 3 and 4 in your poll? U think those are all actual property investors? Do u know how many of those commenting here are agents? U diverted the whole discussion into a poll which means nothing because this poll (just like all previous ones) are NEVER reflective of actual market conditions. Ask any seasoned contributer in the property section of LYN and they will tell you.

This thread was a mistake not because of the type of discussions but because we have lost a good reference point because of your haste to start a topic and get your name on the board. I had no issue with your thread until my Version 2 was closed cuz that meant a loss of reference. U think this thread is gonna be alive in months to come? You obviously have not had much experience in LYN Property section for sure if ure thinking along these lines. There was no reason for you to start this thread so soon after V1 was closed. Now this will become another one of those 'also rans' type threads about the future of the property market.
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Ok, I sense a lot of frustration and anger in you. Suggest taking a chill pill and relax a little.
This thread will run its course and you can start another critical thread in no time.

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Ok, I sense a lot of frustration and anger in you. Suggest taking a chill pill and relax a little.
This thread will run its course and you can start another critical thread in no time.
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cybermaster98,

Just to let you know my feelings. For me I don't care whether your thread or cranx thread. As long as it is a thread which discuss UUU or DDD it is a good thread. These type of thread is not easy to survive in LYN. Whether there is a reference point or a poll it didn't matter. Any thread of UUU and DDD will have good points and rubbish points and we have to accept that

And please be reminded the more we are off topic like now, the more likely the moderator will just lock the thread again. They do not need to justify the reasons to you. They are just doing what they think is right. No offence to you and apologies if I did
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http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/Ekonomi/20...sektor-hartanah

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They are just jealous cos they missed the boat [/tongue-in-cheek]
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not just the interests rate.

better read the fine line in your loan contract. pay attention (if there is) to clauses (or similar) like rights to reevaluate borrower credit, i.e bank can ask for your new income update to reassess the loan margin.

another common clause is, the periodic revaluation of property value, i.e If I take full loan (thanks to DIBS) and the re-valuation of property value is lower than the outstanding amount, bank reserves rights to ask for payment of differential sum, most of the time quite short notice.

careful careful. Really, please read the fine line of the contract and ask your lawyer help if you can't understand the term.

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QUOTE(Ambang2 @ Jan 20 2014, 12:03 AM)
Everyone buying property now must have at least 3 years financial buffer. I don't think property price will drop drastically but believe it will stagnant for sometimes. Be prepare to pay instalment n higher interest. Despite all these challenges, I still believe property price will appreciate further in 2016 onwards.
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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 20 2014, 08:35 AM)
They are just jealous cos they missed the boat [/tongue-in-cheek]
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After a long way back we are still on jealous mode coz we miss d boat... how come... there still plenty of boats wat floating around in developers hand... and coming too..

BBB mode still on loose... must ask government pass more draconian measures.. such as restriction of interest .. I.e cannot sell from 5 years from S&P.. the RPGT calculation start upon expiry of the 5 years resstriction of interest..


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QUOTE(Wiredx @ Jan 20 2014, 08:35 AM)
They are just jealous cos they missed the boat [/tongue-in-cheek]
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It's a news about Pricewaterhousecooper studies on properties investment, who r u refer as "They" kindly elaborate ???

Here's the news write up.

Malaysia berdepan
kemelut sektor hartanah

KUALA LUMPUR 19 Jan. - Akibat
permainan spekulator, Kuala Lumpur
dan bandar sekitarnya hanya berada di
tempat ke-14 dalam senarai lokasi
pelaburan terbaik sektor hartanah bagi
rantau Asia Pasifik untuk tahun ini,
ekoran lebihan penawaran hartanah.

Hasil kajian firma penyelidikan
PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)
mendapati keadaan itu telah
menyebabkan prospek pelaburan
hartanah di Lembah Klang kurang
menarik, sekali gus kedudukannya
merosot berbanding tempat kelima pada
tahun lalu.

Antara maklumat daripada kajian oleh
firma itu mendedahkan hanya 18
peratus ruang pejabat di Lembah Klang
dipenuhi ketika ini berbanding 20
peratus pada 2012.

Malah, premis pusat beli-belah juga telah
terlebih bina selain reka bentuknya
yang agak ketinggalan zaman.

Dalam senarai tersebut bandar-bandar
utama yang berada di atas Kuala
Lumpur mengikut turutan ialah Tokyo,
Shanghai, Jakarta, Manila, Sydney,
Guangzhou, Singapura, Beijing, Osaka,
Shenzhen, Bangkok, pinggir bandar di
China dan Melbourne.

Kajian itu turut memetik seorang
penganalisis hartanah serantau yang
menyatakan, lebihan penawaran itu
berlaku akibat jangkaan spekulator
bahawa Kuala Lumpur merupakan lokasi
pelaburan hartanah terbaik beberapa
tahun lalu.

Jangkaan itu sedikit sebanyak telah
mendorong satu persatu pemaju
menjalankan pelbagai projek hartanah
sama ada kediaman, pejabat serta pusat
beli-belah dengan harapan adanya
permintaan yang tinggi.

"Sebelum ini, memang benar
permintaan hartanah cukup tinggi,
namun akibat permainan spekulator
bilangan unit-unit hartanah menjadi
lebihan.

"Malah, di kawasan bukan tumpuan pun
kediaman termasuk jenis mewah telah
terlebih bina. Akhirnya, pemaju-pemaju
menjual produk hartanah masing-
masing kepada pelabur asing bagi
meraih pulangan," kata penganalisis itu.
Laporan lain mendakwa walaupun
berlaku lebihan penawaran, beberapa
projek hartanah terus dijalankan sekali
gus mewujudkan risiko sama ada unit-
unit yang dibina itu mampu disewakan.
Tujuan sebenar kajian oleh PwC itu
adalah untuk memberi idea pelaburan
kepada pelabur-pelabur hartanah
antarabangsa mengenai pulangan yang
mampu diraih oleh mereka, dan
bukannya mengenai krisis lebihan unit
hartanah di Kuala Lumpur.

Namun, kajian itu dapat mendedahkan
kesan buruk permainan spekulator
kepada sektor hartanah tempatan selama
ini.

Kini, boleh dilihat betapa rasionalnya
perundangan yang diperkenalkan oleh
kerajaan seperti harga minimum RM1
juta untuk pembelian hartanah oleh
warga asing serta Cukai Keuntungan
Harta Tanah (RPGT) bagi membendung
aktiviti spekulator.

Mengikut laporan sebelum ini, beberapa
kawasan tumpuan di Medini, Iskandar
Malaysia dikatakan mendapat pengecualian RPGT dan harga minimum
pembeli asing, memandangkan
pembangunan di kawasan itu masih di
peringkat awal.

Namun, kajian oleh PwC ini penting
sebagai rujukan kepada Iskandar
Malaysia, supaya pada akhirnya tidak
hanya dipenuhi dengan 'gajah putih'.

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HK property tycoon with 50 years property experience said kl property price tooo low untill no logic.... he said invest KL only... and don't invest johor iskandar...

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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jan 20 2014, 10:18 AM)
HK property tycoon with 50 years property experience said kl property price tooo low untill no logic.... he said invest KL only... and don't invest johor iskandar...
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50 years experience maybe senile already ..wakakaka

According to our lyf super agent like Brother Love, UFO ET & Hector Spector do not believe what guru/expert/tycoon says which know "nuts" about property. .lol

It's like Malaysians car tycoon can go to Hong Kong & says their car is dirt cheap, half to 1/3 Malaysia car price.. brows.gif

7.1 millions people lived in a 1100sq km dot offcoz expensive lah, KL metro 2243sq km only 6 millions people how to compare ? Unless 14 millions which is half of entire Malaysia population move to KL metro..lol




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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jan 20 2014, 10:18 AM)
HK property tycoon with 50 years property experience said kl property price tooo low untill no logic.... he said invest KL only... and don't invest johor iskandar...
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har.. still damm cheap for foreign investors izzit? for Malaysian too expensive di? even foreign investors still cheap.. they are still ' investors'.. they will target back Malaysian to buy their invested properties am i right... Malaysian cant absorb the original price from developers how they can absorb the market from the foreign investors?

this is just out of logic.. dat means klang valley prop like the 2 megatownship project sure gone lor.. since the 50 years old expert say kl areas only..
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har.. still damm cheap for foreign investors izzit? for Malaysian too expensive di? even foreign investors still cheap.. they are still ' investors'.. they will target back Malaysian to buy their invested properties am i right...  Malaysian cant absorb the original price from developers how they can absorb the market from the foreign investors?

this is just out of logic..  dat means klang valley prop like the 2 megatownship project sure gone lor.. since the 50 years old expert say kl areas only..
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His property business is around the world. He going to launch new project in kl city very soon. this is his second project in kl d...

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It's a news about Pricewaterhousecooper studies on properties investment,  who r u refer as "They" kindly elaborate ???

Here's the news write up.

Malaysia berdepan
kemelut sektor hartanah

KUALA LUMPUR 19 Jan. - Akibat
permainan spekulator, Kuala Lumpur
dan bandar sekitarnya hanya berada di
tempat ke-14 dalam senarai lokasi
pelaburan terbaik sektor hartanah bagi
rantau Asia Pasifik untuk tahun ini,
ekoran lebihan penawaran hartanah.

Hasil kajian firma penyelidikan
PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC)
mendapati keadaan itu telah
menyebabkan prospek pelaburan
hartanah di Lembah Klang kurang
menarik, sekali gus kedudukannya
merosot berbanding tempat kelima pada
tahun lalu.

Antara maklumat daripada kajian oleh
firma itu mendedahkan hanya 18
peratus ruang pejabat di Lembah Klang
dipenuhi ketika ini berbanding 20
peratus pada 2012.

Malah, premis pusat beli-belah juga telah
terlebih bina selain reka bentuknya
yang agak ketinggalan zaman.

Dalam senarai tersebut bandar-bandar
utama yang berada di atas Kuala
Lumpur mengikut turutan ialah Tokyo,
Shanghai, Jakarta, Manila, Sydney,
Guangzhou, Singapura, Beijing, Osaka,
Shenzhen, Bangkok, pinggir bandar di
China dan Melbourne.

Kajian itu turut memetik seorang
penganalisis hartanah serantau yang
menyatakan, lebihan penawaran itu
berlaku akibat jangkaan spekulator
bahawa Kuala Lumpur merupakan lokasi
pelaburan hartanah terbaik beberapa
tahun lalu.

Jangkaan itu sedikit sebanyak telah
mendorong satu persatu pemaju
menjalankan pelbagai projek hartanah
sama ada kediaman, pejabat serta pusat
beli-belah dengan harapan adanya
permintaan yang tinggi.

"Sebelum ini, memang benar
permintaan hartanah cukup tinggi,
namun akibat permainan spekulator
bilangan unit-unit hartanah menjadi
lebihan.

"Malah, di kawasan bukan tumpuan pun
kediaman termasuk jenis mewah telah
terlebih bina. Akhirnya, pemaju-pemaju
menjual produk hartanah masing-
masing kepada pelabur asing bagi
meraih pulangan," kata penganalisis itu.
Laporan lain mendakwa walaupun
berlaku lebihan penawaran, beberapa
projek hartanah terus dijalankan sekali
gus mewujudkan risiko sama ada unit-
unit yang dibina itu mampu disewakan.
Tujuan sebenar kajian oleh PwC itu
adalah untuk memberi idea pelaburan
kepada pelabur-pelabur hartanah
antarabangsa mengenai pulangan yang
mampu diraih oleh mereka, dan
bukannya mengenai krisis lebihan unit
hartanah di Kuala Lumpur.

Namun, kajian itu dapat mendedahkan
kesan buruk permainan spekulator
kepada sektor hartanah tempatan selama
ini.

Kini, boleh dilihat betapa rasionalnya
perundangan yang diperkenalkan oleh
kerajaan seperti harga minimum RM1
juta untuk pembelian hartanah oleh
warga asing serta Cukai Keuntungan
Harta Tanah (RPGT) bagi membendung
aktiviti spekulator.

Mengikut laporan sebelum ini, beberapa
kawasan tumpuan di Medini, Iskandar
Malaysia dikatakan mendapat pengecualian RPGT dan harga minimum
pembeli asing, memandangkan
pembangunan di kawasan itu masih di
peringkat awal.

Namun, kajian oleh PwC ini penting
sebagai rujukan kepada Iskandar
Malaysia, supaya pada akhirnya tidak
hanya dipenuhi dengan 'gajah putih'.
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His property business is around the world. He going to launch new project in kl city very soon. this is his second project in kl d...
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Malaysia property will follow? Resist to the cooling measure and start soaring again?

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Since KL property price is so cheap, he should be buying not selling.
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If everything base on "Crystal ball", in chinese we say "you say everything liao".. because it is baseless  brows.gif

Those project you mention are completed or sold before the cooling measure starts.. thus behavior could be different with new cooling measure take place.. sales of certain area starts to cool down..

If the cooling measure manage to control the speculation activity, primary market can be cool down abit and avoiding catastrophic collapse.. possible of primary market stagnation, minor correction on pricing, until demand filling up the supply and the market starts to kick off again.. (if the cooling measures works).. In other words, maybe property price will not go down as much as 50% which some ppl are hoping for, and they continue to wait.. smile.gif

As long as ppl manage to repay, they wont get default.. bank will try to assist as much as possible to avoid defaulters.. Auctioning the houses below market value and recover the debt.. engaging AKPK to renegotiate loan agreement.. this kind of auctioning and defaulting happen all the time but just a matter of systemic or non-systemic. If things doesnt happen in systemic behavior, we might just experience property market segment slow down and minor correction which is not a bad thing and able to avoid the bubble bursting..

When primary market slowdown, good news for secondary market especially those who bought 2 to 3 years ago with 300psft to 400psft pricing.. because to the market now, 400psft to 500psft consider market price of below market price..  smile.gif
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I'll take 30-40%. biggrin.gif

35% of 500k = 175k discount
35% of 1m = 350k discount
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/115179435202482/

BREAKING NEWS ::: Tan Sri Liew Kee Sin has resigned as President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of S P Setia Bhd today. Datuk Teow Leong Seng also resigned as chief financial officer (CFO), while Tan Sri Lee Lam Thye stepped down as non-independent & non-executive director of the company.

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What had this news do with properties bubble ?
Please post it to SP Setia project thread or start a new thread.
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QUOTE(accetera @ Jan 20 2014, 02:38 PM)
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BREAKING NEWS ::: Tan Sri Liew Kee Sin has resigned as President and Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of S P Setia Bhd today. Datuk Teow Leong Seng also resigned as chief financial officer (CFO), while Tan Sri Lee Lam Thye stepped down as non-independent & non-executive director of the company.

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Top 10% best performance staff would probably follow him to EcoWorld
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Properties located within 5 min walk to lrt/mrt and/or big & well run shopping mall will continue to attract tenants & alsi ease of sale...especially if the property is also linked to lrt/mrt with a covered walkway. Despite a perceived bubble, these properties will b able to stand the test of time. By 2017, thr will b a drastic change in the mode of transportation when the LRT extension & mrt line 1 is completed. With the mrt line 1 is up, it will link sg buloh & kajang to KL CBD. Star reported on 8 jan 2014 that ktm n lrt recorded 40% increase in passengers fr 2012 to 2013 & this trend will continue with the reduction of petrol subsidy. If we think petrol price is expensive now, what do u think d petrol price will be in 2020? So while some forecast oversupply in highrise service apts, this is a generalisation. Those apartments nearby transportation & malls will continue to have strong demand.
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To overcome short term price stagnant, believe many will focus their investment on properties to be delivered in a few years time. Hence, expect a drop in subsales demand but higher demand on new launch.
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Buy near the lrt or mrt & u will not go wrong..
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but still many buying none mrt lrt ktm at 460k n thinking to make 750k upon vp.
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What had this news do with properties bubble ?
Please post it to SP Setia project thread or start a new thread.
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A friends working inside sp setia said forecast sales drop for the first time in sp setia history after all the boom years.

properties bubble sight?

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HK property tycoon with 50 years property experience said kl property price tooo low untill no logic.... he said invest KL only... and don't invest johor iskandar...
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A friends working inside sp setia said forecast sales drop for the first time in sp setia history after all the boom years.

properties bubble sight?

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i heard that they put allot of fund to uk.to develop.. the power station...land

is tough jobs there..
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i think because he forget our salary n standard living are few times below hk
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Just to make u believe BBB still on rampage mode.. everyting under the sky can be talk out..

bubble bubble bubble.. in fact. Even bubble come also not going to cost them much.. just dropping few hundred bucks in which they dun bother look back and stop to pick it up.. coz new phase is coming oh

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Properties located within 5 min walk to lrt/mrt and/or big & well run shopping mall will continue to attract tenants & alsi ease of sale...especially if the property is also linked to lrt/mrt with a covered walkway. Despite a perceived bubble, these properties will b able to stand the test of time. By 2017, thr will b a drastic change in the mode of transportation when the LRT extension & mrt line 1 is completed. With the  mrt line 1 is up, it will link sg buloh & kajang to KL CBD. Star reported on 8 jan 2014 that ktm n lrt recorded 40% increase in passengers fr 2012 to 2013 & this trend will continue with the reduction of petrol subsidy. If we think petrol price is expensive now, what do u think d petrol price will be in 2020?  So while some forecast oversupply in highrise service apts, this is a generalisation. Those apartments nearby transportation & malls will continue to have strong demand.
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You are right.. but when the price & rental attain the unaffordable level.. no one rents.. stagnant and crash..
well .. even p3trol us expensive ahead.. electronic cars like partial hybrid and full hybrid will surely produced massly ( coz high rise can be built that fast)..

Maybe u can tell us whether salary in 2020 will be hiw much increase.. and whether can counter inflation..

lastly if the trend u hoping really suffice.. will you buy a studio (which now cost rm450k minimum such like EKOvest cheras.. amanya.... lido residency... oertama residency) in which these studios will climb to 600k by 2015.. for developer sales... u tink you will buy?
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still overwhelming respone.

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I fully support retirement purpose product.

Retired uncle n auntie have huge fd in public bank.

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Luxury old folks home...lol
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This thread is discussing about the general enviornment.

But i always believe that there are still good number of people making money in the bad time, and some people even making lost in good time. This applies on the property investment scene as well.




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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 21 2014, 10:40 AM)
This thread is discussing about the general enviornment.

But i always believe that there are still good number of people making money in the bad time, and some people even making lost in good time. This applies on the property investment scene as well.
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this is very true. In fact the biggest opportunity comes during bad times.
however this is not for the average joe though. for those who can't afford to buy a house now, chances are during financial crisis you might not even be able to keep your job.
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 21 2014, 02:03 PM)
this is very true. In fact the biggest opportunity comes during bad times.
however this is not for the average joe though. for those who can't afford to buy a house now, chances are during financial crisis you might not even be able to keep your job.
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What make u think those zero/low entry flipper can hold on to their job during bad times ?

What make u think those waiting for dead chicken r poor folk & will to get kicked out by company during bad times ?

In fact the most dangerous group during bad time r those over committed flipper/investors & property agent.

Please differentiate between cannot afford & not stupid enough to pay over inflated price.



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Please differentiate between cannot afford & not stupid enough to pay over inflated price.
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Boss out of topic a lil. I found the kopi at most mamak n kopi shop oso overpriced since mid 2013. If u take into acc the % of manpower + % of sugar naik, the kopi price is stil up too much in %. But I stil drink there. tongue.gif

Just for ref. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Some auctions to share ...

http://www.iproperty.com.my/propertylistin...ominium-forrent

http://www.propwall.my/classifieds/1838581...-sale-by-steven

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http://www.propertyguru.com.my/property-li...or-sale-4350803

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Bubble...?
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Properties located within 5 min walk to lrt/mrt and/or big & well run shopping mall will continue to attract tenants & alsi ease of sale...
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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 21 2014, 02:16 PM)
What make u think those zero/low entry flipper can hold on to their job during bad times ?

What make u think those waiting for dead chicken r poor folk & will to get kicked out by company during bad times ?

In fact the most dangerous group during bad time r those over committed flipper/investors & property agent.

Please differentiate between cannot afford & not stupid enough to pay over inflated price.
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I agree with you and I know a lot of us here afford to buy those overpriced properties, just choose not to because they are overpriced.
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Properties located within 5 min walk to lrt/mrt and/or big & well run shopping mall will continue to attract tenants & alsi ease of sale...especially if the property is also linked to lrt/mrt with a covered walkway. Despite a perceived bubble, these properties will b able to stand the test of time. By 2017, thr will b a drastic change in the mode of transportation when the LRT extension & mrt line 1 is completed. With the mrt line 1 is up, it will link sg buloh & kajang to KL CBD. Star reported on 8 jan 2014 that ktm n lrt recorded 40% increase in passengers fr 2012 to 2013 & this trend will continue with the reduction of petrol subsidy. If we think petrol price is expensive now, what do u think d petrol price will be in 2020? So while some forecast oversupply in highrise service apts, this is a generalisation. Those apartments nearby transportation & malls will continue to have strong demand.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 20 2014, 11:51 PM)
You are right.. but when the price & rental attain the unaffordable level.. no one rents.. stagnant and crash..
well .. even p3trol us expensive ahead.. electronic cars like partial hybrid and full hybrid will surely produced massly ( coz high rise can be built that fast)..

Maybe u can tell us whether salary in 2020 will be hiw much increase.. and whether can counter inflation..

lastly if the trend u hoping really suffice.. will you buy a studio (which now cost rm450k minimum such like EKOvest cheras.. amanya.... lido residency... oertama residency) in which these studios will climb to 600k by 2015.. for developer sales... u tink you will buy?
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Yes..by 2020 when mrt lines 1 & 2 & lrt extention all up and running ekoheras, alila@bangsar & kl gateway studio which r now priced rm500k n below will b considered cheap by 2020 standard. Our salary increase may not keep up with inflation rate but our investments in properties strategically located near to lrt & mrt will keep up with d inflation rate or even outstrip it.

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 21 2014, 02:33 PM)
Boss out of topic a lil. I found the kopi at most mamak n kopi shop oso overpriced since mid 2013. If u take into acc the % of manpower + % of sugar naik, the kopi price is stil up too much in %. But I stil drink there.  tongue.gif

Just for ref.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I no longer order mamak half boil eggs when price went up to 2.20 for 2 eggs.
Cost of 2 eggs is only 70 sen. Definitely overpriced.

Consumers can always exercise their right to not purchase if something is clearly over-valued.

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Yes..by 2020 when mrt lines 1 & 2 & lrt extention all up and running ekoheras, alila@bangsar & kl gateway studio which r now priced rm500k n below will b considered cheap by 2020 standard. Our salary increase may not keep up with inflation rate but our investments in properties strategically located near to lrt & mrt will keep up with d inflation rate or even outstrip it.
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oh investment... means hold in eternity? at some point of time u tend to sell it off right even it a good investment..
actually.. we have yet to see how effective the mrt is.. and because it connect so far apart like KTM will it result in like KTM?
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oh investment... means hold in eternity? at some point of time u tend to sell it off right even it a good investment..
actually.. we have yet to see how effective the mrt is.. and because it connect so far apart like KTM will it result in like KTM?
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my view is that once the mrt, lrt extensions n high speed train hv materialised then these transportation linked projects will peak in price, then its a good time to sell. By then they may hit rm1400 psf.
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Yes..by 2020 when mrt lines 1 & 2 & lrt extention all up and running ekoheras, alila@bangsar & kl gateway studio which r now priced rm500k n below will b considered cheap by 2020 standard. Our salary increase may not keep up with inflation rate but our investments in properties strategically located near to lrt & mrt will keep up with d inflation rate or even outstrip it.
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Have you work out number of new supply within walking distance from lrt/mrt stations? How many people will move from their current location to be near to lrt/mrt stations?

How many can sustain installments until 2020?

In developed city like Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Paris, Berline, etc how much are the "premium" paid to be near to mrt stations?

QUOTE(restful increase @ Jan 21 2014, 07:24 PM)
my view is that once the mrt, lrt extensions n high speed train hv materialised then these transportation linked projects will peak in price, then its a good time to sell. By then they may hit rm1400 psf.
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Have you work out number of new supply within walking distance from lrt/mrt stations? How many people will move from their current location to be near to lrt/mrt stations?

How many can sustain installments until 2020?

In developed city like Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo, London, Paris, Berline, etc how much are the "premium" paid to be near to mrt stations?
As if supply is inelastic.
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Its a safer bet than the other highrise that are located further away fr the transportation rail. Star 8 jan 14 reported 40% increase in passengers for ktm, lrt and monorail users in 2013 in comparison to 2012. This trend will continue.
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Its a safer bet than the other highrise that are located further away fr the transportation rail. Star 8 jan 14 reported 40% increase in passengers for ktm, lrt and monorail users in 2013 in comparison to 2012. This trend will continue.
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Out of total working population in kv, how many of their work place are within walking distance from lrt/mrt station?
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Its a safer bet than the other highrise that are located further away fr the transportation rail. Star 8 jan 14 reported 40% increase in passengers for ktm, lrt and monorail users in 2013 in comparison to 2012. This trend will continue.
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when population earn more and accidently bought your MRT high rise say u bought for 575k (like Ucity & vista).. u plan then to sell it off at RM750K lets say... once Vp (and by 2020 according to your calculation taking into account building don't grow old and as new as usual and you wont mind parking RM1.5 MILLIOn by 2020)

means u are paying 6.5 k installment per month for 35 years... u say ok bo.. normally.. for me if i can afford 1.5 million prop would i even bother to take MRT.. High speed train.. KTM... WILL U? come on the public facilities are here to fool and draw ppl to buy when in actual fact even the seller himself wont Utilise the so called public transport.. u are one of the example lor... cant even persuade yourself to buy 1.5 m prop by 2020 how to expect others to buy...

but for rental purposes good.. high rise even in prime area generall have very low appreciation in price coz normally and certainly the price quoted by developers themselves is very high.. but rental purposes ok... but u will have to lock your 600k credit under loan for at least 10 years for long term.. for flipping like seeling upon Vp.. remain vacant for a while
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can you give a real example how can someone make a loss in good time?

past few years property boom, i think you can close eye and basically buy any property without doing any analysis or consideration and you are guaranteed to earn, at least 1% also. there is not a single person i know who lose money in property investment for the past 3-4 years or maybe 5 years...

QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 21 2014, 10:40 AM)
This thread is discussing about the general enviornment.

But i always believe that there are still good number of people making money in the bad time, and some people even making lost in good time. This applies on the property investment scene as well.
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i have been asking this same question for a long time...salary increase not keeping up with inflation rate or the property price...so eventually how people can still afford and buy? hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

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Yes..by 2020 when mrt lines 1 & 2 & lrt extention all up and running ekoheras, alila@bangsar & kl gateway studio which r now priced rm500k n below will b considered cheap by 2020 standard. Our salary increase may not keep up with inflation rate but our investments in properties strategically located near to lrt & mrt will keep up with d inflation rate or even outstrip it.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 21 2014, 08:48 PM)
when population earn more and accidently bought your MRT high rise say u bought for 575k (like Ucity & vista).. u plan then to sell it off at RM750K lets say... once Vp (and by 2020 according to your calculation taking into account building don't grow old and as new as usual and you wont mind parking RM1.5 MILLIOn by 2020)

means u are paying 6.5 k installment per month for 35 years... u say ok bo.. normally.. for me if i can afford 1.5 million prop would i even bother to take MRT.. High speed train.. KTM... WILL U? come on the public facilities are here to fool and draw ppl to buy when in actual fact even the seller himself wont Utilise the so called public transport.. u are one of the example lor... cant even persuade yourself to buy 1.5 m prop by 2020 how to expect others to buy...

but for rental purposes good.. high rise even in prime area generall have very low appreciation in price coz normally and certainly the price quoted by developers themselves is very high.. but rental purposes ok... but u will have to lock your 600k credit under loan for at least 10 years for long term.. for flipping like seeling upon Vp.. remain vacant for a while
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So most sgporeans who are well of dont use mrt to work but use cars is it? I dont think so. Didnt i gave example of my family house 3 cars but two of my siblings go to work using lrt? What? U think we are all too poor that was why want to use the lrt?

Dont pick on amaya so much lee. I just got a call from somebody offering 660k for my unit. I just dont want to sell. And somebody bought a unit already if u refer in the other forum. I know everyone wants to buy Amaya but it just that nobody wants to sell. And empty units? Of course we only got keys a few months ago. Some just got 3 months ago. Some still wait for defect to rectify..that is why it is still empty but not for long.
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 21 2014, 09:09 PM)
i have been asking this same question for a long time...salary increase not keeping up with inflation rate or the property price...so eventually how people can still afford and buy?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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That is why the rich and well off are buying. That is what i see. But dont fret there are good price in kajang 400k good landed house..but people here still complain and wait for price to crash.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 21 2014, 08:48 PM)
when population earn more and accidently bought your MRT high rise say u bought for 575k (like Ucity & vista).. u plan then to sell it off at RM750K lets say... once Vp (and by 2020 according to your calculation taking into account building don't grow old and as new as usual and you wont mind parking RM1.5 MILLIOn by 2020)

means u are paying 6.5 k installment per month for 35 years... u say ok bo.. normally.. for me if i can afford 1.5 million prop would i even bother to take MRT.. High speed train.. KTM... WILL U? come on the public facilities are here to fool and draw ppl to buy when in actual fact even the seller himself wont Utilise the so called public transport.. u are one of the example lor... cant even persuade yourself to buy 1.5 m prop by 2020 how to expect others to buy...

but for rental purposes good.. high rise even in prime area generall have very low appreciation in price coz normally and certainly the price quoted by developers themselves is very high.. but rental purposes ok... but u will have to lock your 600k credit under loan for at least 10 years for long term.. for flipping like seeling upon Vp.. remain vacant for a while
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it is convenience vs jam. mrt is still awesome unless you are rich enough to have a driver which would means having a bungalow in the 5 millions
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 21 2014, 09:09 PM)
i have been asking this same question for a long time...salary increase not keeping up with inflation rate or the property price...so eventually how people can still afford and buy?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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find one cheap price property with high GROWTH potential (best still with rental income).... keep for few years and sell it with profit to swap my target property.... I never allow IMPOSSIBLE to stop me... find ways to make it happen.. it is PROVEN work so far biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 21 2014, 09:07 PM)
can you give a real example how can someone make a loss in good time?

past few years property boom, i think you can close eye and basically buy any property without doing any analysis or consideration and you are guaranteed to earn, at least 1% also. there is not a single person i know who lose money in property investment for the past 3-4 years or maybe 5 years...
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Those who
1) vested in the wrong place, like those who vested in Bkt Beruntung many years ago,
2) Some property got value no market demand, just paper gain and siok sendiri. Can't rent out, negative cash flow, get stucked.
3) buy commercial retail lots, mall dead no crowds, buy office can't rent out, no office tenants.

and the lists go on....
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 21 2014, 09:38 PM)
Those who
1) vested in the wrong place, like those who vested in Bkt Beruntung many years ago,
2) Some property got value no market demand, just paper gain and siok sendiri. Can't rent out, negative cash flow, get stucked.
3) buy commercial retail lots, mall dead no crowds, buy office can't rent out, no office tenants. 

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 21 2014, 08:48 PM)
when population earn more and accidently bought your MRT high rise say u bought for 575k (like Ucity & vista).. u plan then to sell it off at RM750K lets say... once Vp (and by 2020 according to your calculation taking into account building don't grow old and as new as usual and you wont mind parking RM1.5 MILLIOn by 2020)

means u are paying 6.5 k installment per month for 35 years... u say ok bo.. normally.. for me if i can afford 1.5 million prop would i even bother to take MRT.. High speed train.. KTM... WILL U? come on the public facilities are here to fool and draw ppl to buy when in actual fact even the seller himself wont Utilise the so called public transport.. u are one of the example lor... cant even persuade yourself to buy 1.5 m prop by 2020 how to expect others to buy...

but for rental purposes good.. high rise even in prime area generall have very low appreciation in price coz normally and certainly the price quoted by developers themselves is very high.. but rental purposes ok... but u will have to lock your 600k credit under loan for at least 10 years for long term.. for flipping like seeling upon Vp.. remain vacant for a while
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I got 2 cars at home but i still use the LRT to go to work & rtn fr work everyday. I consider the LRT such a blessing. Dunno abt u, but the Star paper dated 8 jan 14 has reported 40% increase in ktm, lrt & monorail passengers between 2012 & 2013. The data speaks for itself. In fact by 2017 thr will b a drastic change in the way people travel n commute due to the mrt & lrt extensions..the change is already happening.

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Bubble still too small to burst... If burst now banyak pipu no feel... If bubble never grow big for so long... Later slowly adapt n become no bubble Liao.... Then Need to start all over again to blow it up.

This year 2014 maybe macam jamesbond movie title:
Tomorrow bubble never burst.

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QUOTE(restful increase @ Jan 21 2014, 11:21 PM)
I got 2 cars at home but i still use the LRT to go to work & rtn fr work everyday. I consider the LRT such a blessing. Dunno abt u, but the Star paper dated 8 jan 14 has reported 40% increase in ktm, lrt & monorail passengers between 2012 & 2013. The data speaks for itself. In fact by 2017 thr will b a drastic change in the way people travel n commute due to the mrt & lrt extensions..the change is already happening.
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So after u buy a three quater of a million prop u still take train ya... coz the KTM is around.. there is anothet reason for the surge in public transport.. maybe u wanna check their citizenship.. and of course price hike.. ppl already trying to avoid the price hike dat y taking public transport.. u on the other hand banking hard on projects nearby MRT and flipp and factor another 200k.. it defeats their original purpose right...

takinh KTM from kajamg to kl srntral is 2.80.. then putra lrt to masjid jamek.. klcc.. anf other prime area.. or take ktm to bandar tasik selatan.. 1.80.. plus star to masjid jamek.. or monorail.. another 1.80?.. so per trip around 4.60.. 2 trips.. 9.20 per day.. per month 22 working day.. roughly rm220 per month.. per year 2600 plus..

u inflated the prop from 575k to 750k.. around 200 k lowest (after deduct RPGT.. legal fees.. stamp duites) rm 100k.. but after factoring around 200k.. relating bekto the issue.. rm2600k per month.. for 30 yearrs 80k public transport fres.. worth it or not? Remember by 30 years servicing loan.. the same 750k studio already cost 1.5 million.. after 30 years.. most forumers here di 50? At least..you sure taking LRT till 30? Youngster and invesyors owayls count ngamngam for everyting. In fact in any event everyone tend to use more than expected..

mrt is a link from KV kajang to sg buloh initially.. whether it hit the target ? Still a question... comparing to singapore is like comparing is like to ask Indonesia to go war with america.. singapore in terms of size is smaller than kv.. effectiveness wise.. mslaysia.. u evaluate yourself...

in a nutshell.. despite the heat.. the advantages and etc.. prop price especially near faclities are targeting the working vlass .. rich dudes wont stay in these area.. even when u rich u move to quiet place.. the issue of affordability still preety much the moving force here.. though some reservation to really mature areas..
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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 21 2014, 09:31 PM)
If my salary is not afford to buy target property now. I won't ask such Q or sit down do nothing. I'll DO this instead:
find one cheap price property with high GROWTH potential (best still with rental income).... keep for few years and sell it with profit to swap my target property.... I never allow IMPOSSIBLE to stop me... find ways to make it happen..  it is PROVEN work so far biggrin.gif
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I understand the logic u painting here.. but the prop price were inflated rates are too fast to catch ... we are not doing nothing.. we also waiting prop to snap for own stay..

I tink prop has it own price.. inflating artifically.. will sure at the end cause havoc.. everyting had it own price the price will increase or stagnant according to time which it is meant to.. and not inflated.. upon VP
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QUOTE(lilzany @ Jan 21 2014, 09:18 PM)
it is convenience vs jam. mrt is still awesome unless you are rich enough to have a driver which would means having a bungalow in the 5 millions
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If based on your arguements... setia echo hill and southville.. kota warisan... kip sepang how.. mrt extension?
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My observation.

My generation ppl like to drive.

but more n more young generation prefer using lrt n ktm.


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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 21 2014, 09:10 PM)
So most sgporeans who are well of dont use mrt to work but use cars is it? I dont think so. Didnt i gave example of my family house 3 cars but two of my siblings go to work using lrt? What? U think we are all too poor that was why want to use the lrt?

Dont pick on amaya so much lee. I just got a call from somebody offering 660k for my unit. I just dont want to sell. And somebody bought a unit already if u refer in the other forum. I know everyone wants to buy Amaya but it just that nobody wants to sell. And empty units? Of course we only got keys a few months ago. Some just got 3 months ago. Some still wait for defect to rectify..that is why it is still empty but not for long.
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Oh... 660k dat means good investment for a 2 roomer.. just day no body want to sell.. those agent loiteting around is who... have u describe how amanya surroundings? The old shops? Near forever living HQ..

just wondering.. how much u can rent out wen you sell to potential buyet at 750k ( this price I believe u sure let go) 3.5k loan.. 2 room..
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QUOTE(tikaram @ Jan 22 2014, 12:14 AM)
My observation.

My generation ppl like to drive.

but more n more young generation prefer using lrt n ktm.
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If wat you are saying is correct.. automative can lingkup liao wen mrt open..
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QUOTE(HELLO HELLO @ Jan 21 2014, 11:37 PM)
Bubble still too small to burst... If burst now banyak pipu no feel... If bubble never grow big for so long... Later slowly adapt n become no bubble Liao.... Then Need to start all over again to blow it up.

This year 2014 maybe macam jamesbond movie title:
Tomorrow bubble never burst.
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The growing anf bursting buble depended solely on you guys.. especially how high it is inflated.. vacant units many to come.. bo takers..
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QUOTE(kevyeoh @ Jan 21 2014, 09:07 PM)
can you give a real example how can someone make a loss in good time?

past few years property boom, i think you can close eye and basically buy any property without doing any analysis or consideration and you are guaranteed to earn, at least 1% also. there is not a single person i know who lose money in property investment for the past 3-4 years or maybe 5 years...
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I have a few .. bancrupt... and disbarred .. like bukit beruntung & kota warisan.. and some going to bancrupt.. like iskandar project.. semenyih
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The growing anf bursting buble depended solely on you guys.. especially how high it is inflated.. vacant units many to come.. bo takers..
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BearbeaRwong has a very good and valid point...developers do overhyped their pojeks eg near MRT...butif u bought 600sf studio for Rm600-700k or even more, do u tink easy to find buyers willing to buy at Rm800k++ for such a small unit wit no rooms?? The rental not even enough to cover the loan....young people cant afford, thosewit big family who can too small space, and finalyy i would rather stay further from office and buy cheaper house than buying such an expensive studio,all in tne name of convenience...andmost people r in sales, so theyneed to drive, near Mrt not such a big atttactio
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QUOTE(brother love @ Jan 22 2014, 01:17 AM)
BearbeaRwong has a very good and valid point...developers do overhyped their pojeks eg near MRT...butif u bought 600sf studio for Rm600-700k or even more, do u tink easy to find buyers willing to buy at Rm800k++ for such a small unit wit no rooms?? The rental not even enough to cover the loan....young people cant afford, thosewit big family who can too small space, and finalyy i would rather stay further from office and buy cheaper house than buying such an expensive studio,all in tne name of convenience...andmost people r in sales, so theyneed to drive, near Mrt not such a big atttactio
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U rather stay further from office n buy cheaper house. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
U better read carefully bear bear Wong statements from day one before agree his good n valid point.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 21 2014, 09:10 PM)
Dont pick on amaya so much lee. I just got a call from somebody offering 660k for my unit. I just dont want to sell. And somebody bought a unit already if u refer in the other forum. I know everyone wants to buy Amaya but it just that nobody wants to sell. And empty units? Of course we only got keys a few months ago. Some just got 3 months ago. Some still wait for defect to rectify..that is why it is still empty but not for long.
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Some developers or syndicates engaged re agents to call up owners offer to buy at high price, while they are unloading their unsold units at lower price.

Asking price without transaction is syok sendiri, believe demand is better judged by how fast unit is sold.



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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 12:00 AM)
So after u buy a three quater of a million prop u still take train ya... coz the KTM is around.. there is anothet reason for the surge in public transport.. maybe u wanna check their citizenship.. and of course price hike.. ppl already trying to avoid the price hike dat y taking public transport.. u on the other hand banking hard on projects nearby MRT and flipp and factor another 200k.. it defeats their original purpose right...

takinh KTM from kajamg to kl srntral is 2.80.. then putra lrt to masjid jamek.. klcc.. anf other prime area.. or take ktm to bandar tasik selatan.. 1.80.. plus star to masjid jamek.. or monorail.. another 1.80?.. so per trip around 4.60.. 2 trips.. 9.20 per day.. per month 22 working day..  roughly rm220 per month.. per year 2600 plus..

u inflated the prop from 575k to 750k.. around 200 k lowest (after deduct RPGT.. legal fees.. stamp duites) rm 100k.. but after factoring around 200k.. relating bekto the issue.. rm2600k per month.. for 30 yearrs 80k public transport fres.. worth it or not? Remember by 30 years servicing loan.. the same 750k studio already cost 1.5 million.. after 30 years.. most forumers here di 50? At least..you sure taking LRT till 30? Youngster and invesyors owayls count ngamngam for everyting. In fact in any event everyone tend to use more than expected..

mrt is a link from KV kajang to sg buloh initially.. whether it hit the target ? Still a question... comparing to singapore is like comparing is like to ask Indonesia to go war with america..  singapore in terms of size is smaller than kv.. effectiveness wise.. mslaysia.. u evaluate yourself...

in a nutshell.. despite the heat.. the advantages and etc.. prop price especially near faclities are targeting the working vlass .. rich dudes wont stay in these area.. even when u rich u move to quiet place..  the issue of affordability still preety much the moving force here.. though some reservation to really mature areas..
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Not taking public transport is your choice, myself and many others are making a conscious choice to use as much public transport as possible.

220 per month? Let's add some random taxi fee in there.. How about triple? 660 per month, still cheaper than car loan, parking, plus petrol and maintenance. And you don't have to stress on the road, can relax play candy crush, stalk ppl on Facebook, troll /k/, do banking, do other stuff etc. that's 2-3 hours of your life you are not wasted on driving.

We may not be the majority of people, but our numbers are significant. Look at any lrt during business hour, count how many are wearing slack n long sleeve shirts.

Efficiency of public transport is chicken and egg, you need ppl to support even when it suck, when demand improve, frequency will increase, improving efficiency.

Sorry to derail for a rant on public transport
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 21 2014, 09:38 PM)
Those who
1) vested in the wrong place, like those who vested in Bkt Beruntung many years ago,
2) Some property got value no market demand, just paper gain and siok sendiri. Can't rent out, negative cash flow, get stucked.
3) buy commercial retail lots, mall dead no crowds, buy office can't rent out, no office tenants. 

and the lists go on....
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Hi!

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Can you provide property names to (2) and (3)?


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If based on your arguements... setia echo hill and southville.. kota warisan... kip sepang how.. mrt extension?
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seriously what is ur point? do u understand rural vs high density area?
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jan 22 2014, 02:53 AM)
Not taking public transport is your choice, myself and many others are making a conscious choice to use as much public transport as possible.

220 per month? Let's add some random taxi fee in there.. How about triple? 660 per month, still cheaper than car loan, parking, plus petrol and maintenance. And you don't have to stress on the road, can relax play candy crush, stalk ppl on Facebook, troll /k/, do banking, do other stuff etc. that's 2-3 hours of your life you are not wasted on driving.

We may not be the majority of people, but our numbers are significant. Look at any lrt during business hour, count how many are wearing slack n long sleeve shirts.

Efficiency of public transport is chicken and egg, you need ppl to support even when it suck, when demand improve, frequency will increase, improving efficiency.

Sorry to derail for a rant on public transport
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It boils down on the sector you worked on. If you are a banker that just sits down and do nothing except giving easy loans then yes LRT is convenient since many connect. If you are anybody in the construction sector you cannot use the LRT. It is hardly possible to do in Klang Valley although people in Singapore can do that.


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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 12:15 AM)
Oh... 660k dat means good investment for a 2 roomer.. just day no body want to sell.. those agent loiteting around is who... have u describe how amanya surroundings? The old shops? Near forever living HQ..

just wondering.. how much u can rent out wen you sell to potential buyet at 750k ( this price I believe u sure let go) 3.5k loan.. 2 room..
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He bought it earlier at RM400k+, loan should be around RM2k above la (can be below). About renting that is another question la. Since I don't think there is good market for renting because of the exorbitant prices and surrounding environment, though the access to KLCC is okay.
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Haizzzz, kl center property too expensive can not buy, collect rental oso die. Outskirt landed property, can not buy oso, too far away, traffic jam, collect rental oso die.

like that no need to buy house oredy lor. Forever rent house Lar
Want cheaper one
Want fresh one
Want big one
Somemore must guarantee can produce baby one

Walau, mana cari? cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif

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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jan 22 2014, 02:53 AM)
Not taking public transport is your choice, myself and many others are making a conscious choice to use as much public transport as possible.

220 per month? Let's add some random taxi fee in there.. How about triple? 660 per month, still cheaper than car loan, parking, plus petrol and maintenance. And you don't have to stress on the road, can relax play candy crush, stalk ppl on Facebook, troll /k/, do banking, do other stuff etc. that's 2-3 hours of your life you are not wasted on driving.

We may not be the majority of people, but our numbers are significant. Look at any lrt during business hour, count how many are wearing slack n long sleeve shirts.

Efficiency of public transport is chicken and egg, you need ppl to support even when it suck, when demand improve, frequency will increase, improving efficiency.

Sorry to derail for a rant on public transport
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R u insane ? No car in kv ? i think u r not married with kids. U can do this in sg or hk or jp, not in my. If u r a girl, pls tell me whether u will go out with a man without a car in kv?

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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:46 PM)
R u insane ? No car in kv ? i think u r not married with kids. U can do this in sg or hk or jp, not in my.  If u r a girl, pls tell me whether u will go out with a man without a car in kv?
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for singles yes no problem.
for married ppl, i think that's hard, but doable... but suffering lah
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QUOTE(robert82 @ Jan 22 2014, 03:02 PM)
for singles yes no problem.
for married ppl, i think that's hard, but doable... but suffering lah
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At time also trouble lah ! Cannot go to places no public transport station, if place required take few different public transport also trouble, high chances of late to work as our public transport usually not punctual, raining day soaking wet, public transport is dangerous even for man.
If good job offer offer but cannot accept due to no public transport station near by, how ? reject ? or if job require u to go out during working hours ? tell boss u cannot go as no mrt/lrt/bus go to that area..lol
Then u limit your own progress in life, for such people I wonder how can they afford million ringgit properties.
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QUOTE(gspirit01 @ Jan 22 2014, 01:46 PM)
R u insane ? No car in kv ? i think u r not married with kids. U can do this in sg or hk or jp, not in my.  If u r a girl, pls tell me whether u will go out with a man without a car in kv?
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Hsizz.. after buying 750k prop all take train.. I tink taxi is a vommercial vehicle.. dat y it is expensive.. dat ppl take own car..

just because wanna sell ur prop say until like dis.. I believe to take train is because no choice.. if onr can afford why he choose take train..
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for singles yes no problem.
for married ppl, i think that's hard, but doable... but suffering lah
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If 750k. Still doable and sellable
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Jan 22 2014, 09:42 AM)
He bought it earlier at RM400k+, loan should be around RM2k above la (can be below). About renting that is another question la. Since I don't think there is good market for renting because of the exorbitant prices and surrounding environment, though the access to KLCC is okay.
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Oh.. these g r oup of ppl are call investors.. some call them flippers... u know mou...
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I can think of commercial shoplots in 1Shamelin. When it was under construction i knew its a phail project. Bad location to build. Not visible for main busy roads. Most shoppers are also locals who stays nearby. If you visit it, the shoplots are so cramped (more units) due to developer wanna make more profit. Layout also look so cinaman and awkward. Now its like a ghost town inside, only except for the fnb outlets facing the road maybe. Previously Safari lagoon & Warta shopping mall were here, both also failed.
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 22 2014, 04:26 PM)
I can think of commercial shoplots in 1Shamelin. When it was under construction i knew its a phail project. Bad location to build. Not visible for main busy roads. Most shoppers are also locals who stays nearby. If you visit it, the shoplots are so cramped (more units) due to developer wanna make more profit. Layout also look so cinaman and awkward. Now its like a ghost town inside, only except for the fnb outlets facing the road maybe. Previously Safari lagoon & Warta shopping mall were here, both also failed.
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I can add another one. Commercial shoplot at NZX and Taipan, Ara Damansara. Rental cannot even cover the bank loan. A lot empty units as well.
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South City Plaza also also no perform well
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Oh.. these g r oup of ppl are call investors.. some call them flippers...  u know mou...
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Nope. If I buy a house for ownstay pretenses - am I a flipper, be it if it is over inflated? Not fair la....

The term 'flipper' should be used for people that bought during launch just to sell as soon as VP obtained for quick profit.

I understand your concerns la but not people that say BBB is flippers la.... although they really got no idea on properties.
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Check this out abt TRUE flippers:
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/936646

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Shocking !

I know their gasap before launching, but the discount they get will be charge into other buyer price is really shocking. . No wonder this morning 988 talking about our GNI is at high level. .sigh
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(3) southkeat, xx2 mall, time square level 6-9? Even Sungei Wang?
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now, u decide wat wil happen next:

- accelerated inflation, higher n higher home price, lots of people still buy...

or

- so dem poor, no money left to buy even decent food!

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Jan 22 2014, 06:30 PM)
Shocking !

I know their gasap before launching, but the discount they get will be charge into other buyer price is really shocking. . No wonder this morning 988 talking about our GNI is at high level. .sigh
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Shocking but not to me anymore. Some contractors are willing to be buyers and pay booking fees for lets say the whole floor of a certain condo so that developers have enough demand to proof to the banks that there are enough buyers to get loan. After a while, contractor lari because too much delay and bearing with loses and now as a consultant we have to prepare for legal implications. Projek kat Mont Kiara pulak tuh. rclxub.gif

Those property clubs the face very familiar one... That thin faggot always give speech tell your all BBB one ma... Many times see that face jor, but don't know who the eff is him.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 12:15 AM)
Oh... 660k dat means good investment for a 2 roomer.. just day no body want to sell.. those agent loiteting around is who... have u describe how amanya surroundings? The old shops? Near forever living HQ..

just wondering.. how much u can rent out wen you sell to potential buyet at 750k ( this price I believe u sure let go) 3.5k loan.. 2 room..
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Bro dont be jealous laa. There in that same forum somebody just announce that he also bought subsale. Two sales in space of 3 days. Maybe the process was longer than them announcing, doesnt matter. But proves that people are still buying and they do it fast. If anyone wants to buy anything at 660k, u think that buyer dont do research? No need to describe amaya surroundings everybody knows except for the DDD who keeps on harping that price is gonna crash.

3.5k two rooms? Why not. Achiveable in another 5 years with all this inflation going on. Maybe less than that.
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Saw Monte Bayu drop 5% in transaction price.... wonder more to come?? biggrin.gif


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Check this out abt TRUE flippers:
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Tq for sharing.

Some developer staff get this kind of discount as well.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 22 2014, 02:24 AM)
Some developers or syndicates engaged re agents to call up owners offer to buy at high price, while they are unloading their unsold units at lower price.

Asking price without transaction is syok sendiri, believe demand is better judged by how fast unit is sold.
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Well if u see my previous post to the bear, quite fast that units are sold.
Anyway ur theory can't be used for Amaya, coz its all sold out. I dunno about the penthouse though. Even all the shops are sold out, but the owner is very rich, he wants high rent and dont bother to let the shops empty unless somebody agree with his rental.
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QUOTE(MishimaZ @ Jan 22 2014, 09:42 AM)
He bought it earlier at RM400k+, loan should be around RM2k above la (can be below). About renting that is another question la. Since I don't think there is good market for renting because of the exorbitant prices and surrounding environment, though the access to KLCC is okay.
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Dont think it is good market for renting? Really? Dont be so negative. U will never buy anything like this mindset. I mean what u think, is not true.
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Jan 22 2014, 10:43 AM)
Haizzzz, kl center property too expensive can not buy, collect rental oso die. Outskirt landed property, can not buy oso, too far away, traffic jam, collect rental oso die.

like that no need to buy house oredy lor. Forever rent house Lar
Want cheaper one
Want fresh one
Want big one
Somemore must  guarantee can produce baby one

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QUOTE(mewhoyou @ Jan 22 2014, 08:22 PM)
Saw Monte Bayu drop 5% in transaction price.... wonder more to come?? biggrin.gif
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aiya 5 % sap sap sui lahh.. add another 0 then maybe they feel something 50%..

3.5 k 2 rooms dude.. possible in 5 years but the said location confirm not amanya residence lor.. dai lou.. u got sick mou 1.7 k per room rental... ask forumer here got takers bo..

1.7 k room per month more expensive than honda city new version leh and only 9 years max.. ur amanya 35 years oh..
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jan 22 2014, 04:26 PM)
I can think of commercial shoplots in 1Shamelin. When it was under construction i knew its a phail project. Bad location to build. Not visible for main busy roads. Most shoppers are also locals who stays nearby. If you visit it, the shoplots are so cramped (more units) due to developer wanna make more profit. Layout also look so cinaman and awkward. Now its like a ghost town inside, only except for the fnb outlets facing the road maybe. Previously Safari lagoon & Warta shopping mall were here, both also failed.
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Jan 22 2014, 09:43 AM)
Haizzzz, kl center property too expensive can not buy, collect rental oso die. Outskirt landed property, can not buy oso, too far away, traffic jam, collect rental oso die.

like that no need to buy house oredy lor. Forever rent house Lar
Want cheaper one
Want fresh one
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Somemore must  guarantee can produce baby one

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they very simple equation is zero flippers then it would be perfect..
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they very simple equation is zero flippers then it would be perfect..
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Then wait long long till u ambil tongkat oso can not buy the house.
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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Jan 22 2014, 08:43 PM)
Well if u see my previous post to the bear, quite fast that units are sold.
Anyway ur theory can't be used for Amaya, coz its all sold out. I dunno about the penthouse though. Even all the shops are sold out, but the owner is very rich, he wants high rent and dont bother to let the shops empty unless somebody agree with his rental.
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Problem is no one bother to even consider ur rented prop.. btw u mention u also rich and dun bothet bout rent.. u categorise your self as rich and subsequently nothing to do and post here
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Jan 22 2014, 10:09 PM)
Then wait long long till u ambil tongkat oso can not buy the house.
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The flippers will eventually die off in 5 years of holding... those rich.. has too many prop.. even can face d storm.. their credit will be lock down..

we really need to wait till tongkat days.. increase the interest rate around 5 % to 10% percent will be enough
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jan 22 2014, 02:53 AM)
Not taking public transport is your choice, myself and many others are making a conscious choice to use as much public transport as possible.

220 per month? Let's add some random taxi fee in there.. How about triple? 660 per month, still cheaper than car loan, parking, plus petrol and maintenance. And you don't have to stress on the road, can relax play candy crush, stalk ppl on Facebook, troll /k/, do banking, do other stuff etc. that's 2-3 hours of your life you are not wasted on driving.

We may not be the majority of people, but our numbers are significant. Look at any lrt during business hour, count how many are wearing slack n long sleeve shirts.

Efficiency of public transport is chicken and egg, you need ppl to support even when it suck, when demand improve, frequency will increase, improving efficiency.
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Ok good online banking.. candy crush.. wah youngster ahh... THIS CAN ONLY HAPPEN.. IF YOU HAVE A PLACE TO SIT DURING PEAK HOURS OF COMMUTERS.. if the commuters no ppl mean not peak.. drive better right..
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[quote=bearbearwong,Jan 22 2014, 10:17 PM]
The flippers will eventually die off in 5 years of holding... those rich.. has too many prop.. even can face d storm.. their credit will be lock down..

we really need to wait till tongkat days.. increase the interest rate around 5 % to 10% percent will be enough
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U said ppl got too many properties, credit will be lock down.
Ppl said u got zero property, credit oso lock down.

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[quote=Rabel,Jan 22 2014, 10:24 PM]
[quote=bearbearwong,Jan 22 2014, 10:17 PM]
The flippers will eventually die off in 5 years of holding... those rich.. has too many prop.. even can face d storm.. their credit will be lock down..

we really need to wait till tongkat days.. increase the interest rate around 5 % to 10% percent will be enough
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U said ppl got too many properties, credit will be lock down.
Ppl said u got zero property, credit oso lock down.

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Not locked down.. just waiting for the perfect storm but inflated ones.. really not worth.. but then again
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 22 2014, 10:14 PM)
Problem is no one bother to even consider ur rented prop.. btw u mention u also rich and dun bothet bout rent.. u categorise your self as rich and subsequently nothing to do and post here
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Where in the world did i say i was rich? See u dont read properly. It is only the owner of the shops who is rich, the shops in amaya. Read and understand properly bro.

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Not locked down.. just waiting for the perfect storm but inflated ones.. really not worth.. but then again
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wait until tongkat day and then the storm came.. after 50 years of inflation, wonder u still cen get it lower than today's price.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(hondaracer @ Jan 22 2014, 07:09 AM)
Hi!

Thanks.

Can you provide property names to (2) and (3)?
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Ask any property agents that u know, they will tell u.
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wait until tongkat day and then the storm came.. after 50 years of inflation, wonder u still cen get it lower than today's price..  hmm.gif
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At high inflation rate, disposable income is reduced, property price may not necessary rise inline with inflation rate. However, prolonged high inflation rate will ended up in recession and property price is almost certain will fall in recession.

Historically over a period of 50 years, there will be periods when real property price is relatively cheap.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 22 2014, 11:36 PM)
At high inflation rate, disposable income is reduced, property price may not necessary rise inline with inflation rate. However, prolonged high inflation rate will ended up in recession and property price is almost certain will fall in recession.

Historically over a period of 50 years, there will be periods when real property price is relatively cheap.
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historically after few financial crisis in msia, our house got cheaper than 50yrs ago during our ahgong ahma period or not? they bought houses few thousand only leh.. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 23 2014, 12:05 AM)
historically after few financial crisis in msia, our house got cheaper than 50yrs ago during our ahgong ahma period or not? they bought houses few thousand only leh..  hmm.gif
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Guess you are gen Y and never experience recession. In this case, don't keep any cash.

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Thread reopened. Try stick with market discussion, be less emotional when dealing with trolls. Avoid personal attacks, else it might be closed again.




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Interesting article. I agree with that article.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2...waiting-to-pop/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2...bubble-economy/
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 24 2014, 02:00 PM)
Thread reopened. Try stick with market discussion, be less emotional when dealing with trolls. Avoid personal attacks, else it might be closed again.
Thats why i said this thread should never have been turned into a poll. It just gives rise to such comments n arguments. Its also the thread starter's responsibility to try and ensure discussions are kept civil to a certain extent. Thats what i did on my earlier thread and everything was fine. You on the other hand havent had much input on this thread which is a pity cuz a reasonable thread earlier was closed cuz of your haste. Did u also note that many of the discussions here are actually 'empty' talk Lets see how long it takes to reach 120 pages. Even i have stopped providing any valuable input here. Why bother when the thread isnt going anywhere and cannot be a good source of reference in the future? When this thread is closed in 100 pages time, who is gonna bother to refer to it?
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 24 2014, 02:26 PM)
Thats why i said this thread should never have been turned into a poll. It just gives rise to such comments n arguments. Its also the thread starter's responsibility to try and ensure discussions are kept civil to a certain extent. Thats what i did on my earlier thread and everything was fine. You on the other hand havent had much input on this thread which is a pity cuz a reasonable thread earlier was closed cuz of your haste. Did u also note that many of the discussions here are actually 'empty' talk Lets see how long it takes to reach 120 pages. Even i have stopped providing any valuable input here. Why bother when the thread isnt going anywhere and cannot be a good source of reference in the future? When this thread is closed in 100 pages time, who is gonna bother to refer to it?
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QUOTE(cranx @ Jan 24 2014, 02:55 PM)
Ok, you are the best. thanks for your contributions.
Nope far from it. I rely alot on input / knowledge from the more seasoned forumers in LYN but for them to provide such input the title of the thread and the type of discussions it has are important. Where are the seasoned property investors if i may ask? Dont see them flocking here to contribute anything meaningful. Let's see you putting some effort first in YOUR own thread.
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When dibs n no rgpt, complain bubble will burst n recession if no action taken. When action taken still want bubble burst and recession. Then what can be done to avoid bubble burst? sound like sour grapes

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QUOTE(kohts @ Jan 24 2014, 05:07 PM)
When dibs n no rgpt, complain bubble will burst n recession if no action taken. When action taken still want bubble burst and recession. Then what can be done to avoid bubble burst? sound like sour grapes
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Before 1997 crisis, everyone in the stock market believed they were genius, could make $$$ from nothing. Likewise, those who are in property are behaving the same.



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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 24 2014, 05:30 PM)
Before 1997 crisis, everyone in the stock market believed they were genius, could make $$$ from nothing. Likewise, those who are in property are behaving the same.
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In 1997 crisis, many investors are gamblers, want to get rich overnight. Property investment requires longer term in nature.

For newly purchase properties from developer, it needs 3 years to complete. Even for subsales it would be preferably to hold more than 5 years to avoid RPGT.
Similarly if the share investors able to hold 3-5 years after the 97 crisis. They are better off and sure making fantastic profit.

The quick flipping glory days are over. Investors are advised to mentally prepare to hold longer.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 24 2014, 02:26 PM)
Thats why i said this thread should never have been turned into a poll. It just gives rise to such comments n arguments. Its also the thread starter's responsibility to try and ensure discussions are kept civil to a certain extent. Thats what i did on my earlier thread and everything was fine. You on the other hand havent had much input on this thread which is a pity cuz a reasonable thread earlier was closed cuz of your haste. Did u also note that many of the discussions here are actually 'empty' talk Lets see how long it takes to reach 120 pages. Even i have stopped providing any valuable input here. Why bother when the thread isnt going anywhere and cannot be a good source of reference in the future? When this thread is closed in 100 pages time, who is gonna bother to refer to it?
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You cannot say like that. Some ppl are testing the market opinion. YOU may not get much out of it but others DO.
I definitely did. .... I learn how repo man works and the mechanism etc.... blink.gif

Filter out the empty talk and find the gems. Ppl whom participate have their own agendas but reality is NO ONE man/woman can dictate the market. So if u think it's UUU or DDD ... then we see how the market react. nod.gif
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 24 2014, 05:30 PM)
Before 1997 crisis, everyone in the stock market believed they were genius, could make $$$ from nothing. Likewise, those who are in property are behaving the same.
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1997 financial crisis hit a lot to share market player. A lot of company become bankcrup to PN 17 and their share become penny stock. But for blue chip player who have holding power can still survive and make profit. For me you can't sustain in property investment if do not have holding power and buy property develop by lousy developer if if there is a crisis like 1997.
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 24 2014, 03:01 PM)
Nope far from it. I rely alot on input / knowledge from the more seasoned forumers in LYN but for them to provide such input the title of the thread and the type of discussions it has are important. Where are the seasoned property investors if i may ask? Dont see them flocking here to contribute anything meaningful. Let's see you putting some effort first in YOUR own thread.
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bro, pls relax.

whether "yr" thread or abc thread, we all see it as the same thing.

after a few weeks, it's forgotten or locked or get so messed up with senseless comments that it's inevitable a new one comes out!

impt thing is whether we get useful articles and comments or bbb charts n photos. tongue.gif
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The quick flipping glory days are over. Investors are advised to mentally prepare to hold longer.
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absolutely.

it's a lot better to go back to the days of serious porp investing over a long period rather than flipgoreng guaranteed to profit.

but seems that message is not going thru....?
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 24 2014, 06:10 PM)
absolutely.

it's a lot better to go back to the days of serious porp investing over a long period rather than flipgoreng guaranteed to profit.

but seems that message is not going thru....?
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For savvy investor we need to change the game with a new strategy to make sure the investment is profitable..new rule and regulation need a new strategy..one of the strategy is we must hold the property much longer..
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QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 24 2014, 06:15 PM)
For savvy investor we need to change the game with a new strategy to make sure the investment is profitable..new rule and regulation need a new strategy..one of the strategy is we must hold the property much longer..
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"savy"... agree. only thing is everyone in every thread seems to think he or she is very savy! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 24 2014, 06:18 PM)
"savy"... agree. only thing is everyone in every thread seems to think he or she is very savy! tongue.gif
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You cannot say like that. Some ppl are testing the market opinion. YOU may not get much out of it but others DO.
I definitely did. .... I learn how repo man works and the mechanism etc....  blink.gif

Filter out the empty talk and find the gems. Ppl whom participate have their own agendas but reality is NO ONE man/woman can dictate the market. So if u think it's UUU or DDD ... then we see how the market react.  nod.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jan 24 2014, 06:07 PM)
bro, pls relax.

whether "yr" thread or abc thread, we all see it as the same thing.

after a few weeks, it's forgotten or locked or get so messed up with senseless comments that it's inevitable a new one comes out!

impt thing is whether we get useful articles and comments or bbb charts n photos. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 24 2014, 05:50 PM)
In 1997 crisis, many investors are gamblers, want to get rich overnight. Property investment requires longer term in nature.

For newly purchase properties from developer, it needs 3 years to complete. Even for subsales it would be preferably to hold more than 5 years to avoid RPGT.
Similarly if the share investors able to hold 3-5 years after the 97 crisis. They are better off and sure making fantastic profit.

The quick flipping glory days are over. Investors are advised to mentally prepare to hold longer.
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Buy to flip is not dissimilar to pre-1997 stock investor.

New launch take 3 to 4 years to vp, doesn't count as holding power especially those with dibs.

Among those who bought multiple units to flip, how many have other income to sustain all the loan repayment?


QUOTE(cooleq @ Jan 24 2014, 06:03 PM)
1997 financial crisis hit a lot to share market player. A lot of company become bankcrup to PN 17 and their share become penny stock. But for blue chip player who have holding power can still survive and make profit. For me you can't sustain in property investment if do not have holding power and buy property develop by lousy developer if if there is a crisis like 1997.
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Among those who bought multiple units to flip, how many have other income to sustain all the loan repayment?


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