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 Is the bubble finally bursting? 2014, V2

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Rabel
post Feb 11 2014, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Feb 11 2014, 01:45 AM)
It was quite straight forward for me because I got only few hundred bucks of commitment for my car loan (since driving proton), no CC debt, no personal loan, nt married  n first property.. so they really offered me crazy amount of loan wic even scares the shit out me  shocking.gif , even though I will only start serving the loan 2 years later (Will have 3 salary review cycles in between now n then).. but again I am also aware shit may happen in between as well.. the higher u earn the easier u drop, working class problem.. doh.gif
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One more thing. Ur housing loan approved recently ?!
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post Feb 11 2014, 02:02 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:54 AM)
One more thing. Ur housing loan approved recently ?!
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Im still waiting for the launch wic got pushed back shakehead.gif .. once I get the letter from sales office, will submit my application.. Std charted, CIMB n OCBC nt bad, possible to get -2.5 BLR..

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post Feb 11 2014, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(all blacks @ Feb 11 2014, 02:02 AM)
Im still waiting for the launch wic got pushed back  shakehead.gif .. once I get the letter from sales office, will submit my application.. Std charted, CIMB n OCBC nt bad, possible to get -2.5 BLR..
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Ok Tq if u dun mind. Pls share more info if got.
Coz I talk to my banker before CNY. The info is diff
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post Feb 11 2014, 06:53 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 10 2014, 05:29 PM)
And I have not even talk about how genuine is their tenancy agreement (there are chances some of them using fake agreement or inflated rental price). Also imagine those people who leverage on multiple more tenancy agreement to max out their capability. I'm not saying there is a lot of people like this, but I'm very aware that there is a lot people using their tenancy agreement to take higher loan amount.
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There were cases in subsale, vendor justify above market price by producing very high rental yield tenancy agreement. After buyer paid and took over the property for a few months, tenant terminate the tenancy.

To other vendors in the same area, their properties i.e asking price appreciated to new high.

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post Feb 11 2014, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 01:04 AM)
That y, funny ler. My friend bankruptcy still can come bk during CNY. Somemore every yr.
Anyway he bankruptcy ard 20 yrs ago. Only thing he can not bk for long term.
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Ur joe friend maybe finish pay liao... or he has payanyting yet but due to age factor he got discharge.. and the bank very cosiderate.. 20 years debt bank write off di
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post Feb 11 2014, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 10 2014, 06:55 PM)
Assuming he bullshitting (apologies herein advanced to jolokia and huichyr)..just to deminstrate thus dude is talking facts or not..

amaya.. since u know better by saying plucking numbers I stead.. amaya good ah with dat price? Hmm 700k.. 660k.. rental 2.8k or 3.5k..?

occupancy rate good? Got confirm anaya klcc view blocked by velocity bo?

Just purely addressing amaya... u seem furious got how many units there..
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if my attachment is correct, it actually contradicts to your alleged ptt views of amaya being blocked by sv.
pls correct me if i'm wrong.


QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 10 2014, 09:15 PM)
I dont pluck numbers from thin air to win an argument like some dumbass kid thick skin boy tadak malu punye orang. My numbers are facts and my experience is real. And when we share our xpreience, DDD said we are lying, no wonder la u guys never succeed in life and whine only.

Look at manutdgiggs, people like kochin..share their experienxe and u hentam them....try and hentam me and a kick in the ass u will get.

And bearr google map laaaa...sunway velocity is not blocking amaya..i think u know this but just cant accept d truth.
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i don't know why you keep arguing with him/her. just a map should suffice. but i could be wrong though. good luck.


QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:55 AM)
Bo bian.. I nevet benifited pre 2010.. enough money buy for stay.. flipping these ting need to take OD lah dis lah dat .. debt maximasation manyak pressure.. I professional work di pressure... haiyo..

I know wat u want to say since you not good or half dead .. why not try ur luck  like you maximise debt and invest..

I got a piece advice for that

" everyone know life is Short..BBW  ADVICE is DONT MAKE IT SHORTER"...
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pertaining to your advise, and if given a choice, would you rather:
prolong your life by 20 years filled with sorrows, loneliness, and miseries;
or would you rather cut short your life by 20 years filled with happiness, peace and bliss?

it's a hypothetical question and need not be too careful with the answer.
my point is, do not be too extreme in most undertakings. sometimes it's really hard to U-turn if one is too extreme.
i'm not saying prop is forever UUU, and neither am i saying prop would DDD.
just saying there's more to life, that's all.
cheers!


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post Feb 11 2014, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 11 2014, 08:46 AM)
prolong your life by 20 years filled with sorrows, loneliness, and miseries;
or would you rather cut short your life by 20 years filled with happiness, peace and bliss?

it's a hypothetical question and need not be too careful with the answer.
my point is, do not be too extreme in most undertakings. sometimes it's really hard to U-turn if one is too extreme.
i'm not saying prop is forever UUU, and neither am i saying prop would DDD.
just saying there's more to life, that's all.
cheers!
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30-40 words posting but meant nothing.. shakehead.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(Minolta @ Feb 10 2014, 10:24 PM)
No, it's not about happy or not. Nor is about Amaya, which I am neither vested in nor interested in. But the essence is property bubble bursting due to supposedly large amount of flippers and your coming up with 1/3 of all postings are flippers.

Now if u say its 1 instead of 1/3, then you're saying that 100% of all postings are flippers? Wow. I guess on this forum, only a handful of people may actually believe and accept your crap. But it's good crap! Live long and prosper Bubble Bursting Thread!
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That's why I said use COMMON SENSE ! Is it so hard to understand my earlier explanation or pure DENIAL?
Definition of FLIPPERS means they sell as soon as VP and they are NOT own-stay buyers. The advertisements are NOW, in early February when project completed in Dec 2013. ACTUALLY ALL 954 ads u see are FLIPPERS!

1/3 bcoz some ads maybe posted twice or three times. I took AVERAGELY, ALL as posted as 3x. That's call statistic la ...
Aiyoh... susah sangat ke nak faham?

Why advertise to sell only after 2 months the project completed? Flippers la ....

You & the Amaya Girl are the most pathetic ppl in this thread. Denial is your only tactic ..... Good2 ... Keep it up ...
Let Amaya Maluri be the first crash! thumbup.gif

This post has been edited by HuiChyr: Feb 11 2014, 09:07 AM
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(AmayaBumibuyer @ Feb 10 2014, 11:28 PM)
Well when people talk lies about me i will defend myself. Just clarifying that.
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You are a sensitive GIRL with vested interest in Amaya .... if not this thread wouldn't gone this way.
BBW was just using Amaya as an example to prove a point. .... but u can't handle it.
Started whining and calling names ..... the lowest standard of conduct. Buat malu mak bapak saje.

Pls la .... u don have the mental capacity for rational thinking don't play property investment.
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:25 AM)
Yes for up till last year around Oct. This year I don't know if that is still possible.
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This year most banks limit refinancing to 10years on NEW loan amount. Outstanding loan balance still carry as on as 35years limit.
So it not a cut & dry calculation. I already asked some banks for this and BNM new rule is enforced.

For example;
Property value = Rm500k
Bank loan limit = 80%
Outstanding Loan = Rm100k
Interest rate = 4.6%

Refinancing: Rm500k x 80% = RM400K

Out standing loan of Rm100k, 35 yrs limit: Rm479.47
New loan amount of Rm300k, 10 yrs limit: Rm3123.63
Total monthly installment = Rm3,603.10

Believe BNM is putting the brakes on flipping activity. They know refinancing became tools for extra cash for flipper as downpayment before selling upon VP. Funny thing is, ppl in the market already knew this practise long ago but BNM took so long to curtail this? shakehead.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Feb 11 2014, 12:30 AM)
bankruptcy is not the end of the world ... besides having rm500 .. and cannot have the following:

1) bank accounts
2) members of parliament or state assemblyman
3)professionals doctors & lawyers ( those not within these are not)
4)cannot travel out
5)cannot flip
6) ppl will Shaun away
7) no loans and car
8) no rights to sue

and etc .. other than that still live as a free man... if you bankrupt at age 30.. u got a chance to discharge when you are at the verge of death.. it is sad...
but bank as object wor...

well credit card hmm i heard 30,800.00 bankrupt lor...
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IT'S CALL "GETTING RICH OR DIE HARD TRYING"
I believe it DIE now lor .... shocking.gif
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post Feb 11 2014, 09:51 AM

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Btw I smell some old pals here. brows.gif

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post Feb 11 2014, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 11 2014, 09:46 AM)
This year most banks limit refinancing to 10years on NEW loan amount. Outstanding loan balance still carry as on as 35years limit.
So it not a cut & dry calculation. I already asked some banks for this and BNM new rule is enforced.

For example;
Property value = Rm500k
Bank loan limit = 80%
Outstanding Loan = Rm100k
Interest rate = 4.6%

Refinancing: Rm500k x 80% = RM400K

Out standing loan of Rm100k, 35 yrs limit: Rm479.47
New loan amount of Rm300k, 10 yrs limit: Rm3123.63
Total monthly installment = Rm3,603.10

Believe BNM is putting the brakes on flipping activity. They know refinancing became tools for extra cash for flipper as downpayment before selling upon VP. Funny thing is, ppl in the market already knew this practise long ago but BNM took so long to curtail this?  shakehead.gif
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i am not too sure on this.
bankers, please feel free to chip in.

using your above illustration, assuming tenure 35 yrs limit as per original loan. one needs to know the original loan amount as well which you did not provide.
if let's say original loan amount was RM300k.
then the calculations should be:
refinance monthly installment would be based on:
RM300k, 35 years tenure
top up RM200k, 10 years tenure

that is my understanding of the new systems although i might be proven wrong here. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(KChan @ Feb 11 2014, 12:50 AM)
Aiyoh ... this guy Michael Tan is from my school.
His batch of frens has been going around preaching property investment for the past 10 years liao.
Claim himself to be property guru.
I kept my silent ..... brows.gif

In his article, he mention a fictitious character call Ahmad. If I was Ahmad's financial advisor, I'll tell Ahmad to pay off his credit card loan first b4 committing to a property. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(kochin @ Feb 11 2014, 09:56 AM)
i am not too sure on this.
bankers, please feel free to chip in.

using your above illustration, assuming tenure 35 yrs limit as per original loan. one needs to know the original loan amount as well which you did not provide.
if let's say original loan amount was RM300k.
then the calculations should be:
refinance monthly installment would be based on:
RM300k, 35 years tenure
top up RM200k, 10 years tenure

that is my understanding of the new systems although i might be proven wrong here.  tongue.gif
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HuiChyr is right. Please refer here: http://loanstreet.com.my/learning-centre/1...nancing-cashout

You can refinance outstanding balance up to 35 years. Any other extras to be taken is only at maximum 10 years. Original loan amount is not to be considered.

Essentially this is to prevent cash out based on appreciated property value.

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 11 2014, 08:59 AM)
That's why I said use COMMON SENSE ! Is it so hard to understand my earlier explanation or pure DENIAL?
Definition of FLIPPERS means they sell as soon as VP and they are NOT own-stay buyers. The advertisements are NOW, in early February when project completed in Dec 2013. ACTUALLY ALL 954 ads u see are FLIPPERS!

1/3 bcoz some ads maybe posted twice or three times. I took AVERAGELY, ALL as posted as 3x. That's call statistic la ...
Aiyoh... susah sangat ke nak faham?

Why advertise to sell only after 2 months the project completed? Flippers la ....

You & the Amaya Girl are the most pathetic ppl in this thread. Denial is your only tactic ..... Good2 ... Keep it up ...
Let Amaya Maluri be the first crash!  thumbup.gif
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Actually, you already made it quite clear. And agree those units for sale so soon after VP are consider units for flipping.
The questions are how many of those posts are duplicates (you assumed 3), and how many of these flippers got holding power.

How many units are there in Amaya? About 400?

If there are 3X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 318. Wow! 80% of the units are for flipping.
If there are 4X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 238. Hmm.. 60% are for flipping.
If there are 5x duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 190. That's almost 47%.

Of coz, those with vested interest will says it's 10X duplicated and only 90 units are for flipping lor. Hehehe..
But i think the figures should be between 60-70%.



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QUOTE(cockee @ Feb 11 2014, 10:25 AM)
Actually, you already made it quite clear. And agree those units for sale so soon after VP are consider units for flipping.
The questions are how many of those posts are duplicates (you assumed 3), and how many of these flippers got holding power.

How many units are there in Amaya? About 400?

If there are 3X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 318. Wow! 80% of the units are for flipping.
If there are 4X duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 238. Hmm.. 60% are for flipping.
If there are 5x duplicated ad, then the no. of units on offer is 190. That's almost 47%.

Of coz, those with vested interest will says it's 10X duplicated and only 90 units are for flipping lor. Hehehe..
But i think the figures should be between 60-70%.
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There is no way to determine the number of flippers. Based on experience, those listing might be posted by agents who doesn't even hold any units or have any units for sale. They probably have gotten hold of the owners contact list and keep harassing owners that they have ready buyers. Their modus operandi is find buyers first then one-by-one call owners to make them an offer.

After saying that, based on sample data below, everyone has their rights to make a decision themselves:-
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Property   iProp Units Count Unit Constructed  Percentage on Sale
The Treez   551    162    340.12%
Amaya Maluri  375    399    93.98%
Binjai 8   252    310    81.29%
Verve Suites  437    933    46.84%
Tiara Mutiara  184    403    45.66%
Park 51   264    664    39.76%
Empire Damansara 607    1749    34.71%
1120 Park Avenue 257    1120    22.95%


Those are a handfuls of property that VP in 2013

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QUOTE(HuiChyr @ Feb 11 2014, 10:02 AM)
Aiyoh ... this guy Michael Tan is from my school.
His batch of frens has been going around preaching property investment for the past 10 years liao.
Claim himself to be property guru.
I kept my silent .....  brows.gif

In his article, he mention a fictitious character call Ahmad. If I was Ahmad's financial advisor, I'll tell Ahmad to pay off his credit card loan first b4 committing to a property.  laugh.gif
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Got money to buy property but can't clear off few thousand credit card debt..lol

Actually quite a few flipper have debts over their head, their life is like walking on thin ice, anything go wrong Domino effect losses everything.

You can see quite a few here. .Bubble Phobia...lol

At time need to forgive them, imagine living in their shoe..

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Knowing there r so many flippers compete with you selling same property with some offer lower than u.

After u bought a property you can't afford a basic car, even after collecting good rental.

After bought a few properties the only place to earn some egoism is to post in property forum to gain some praises for those newbies. .sigh

Can't wait to be a TS, get irritated when another fellow start a similar thread, claim refused to comment but often come in to compare his better version & ask TS to close the thread so that he can reinstate his V2 & become TS..lol
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QUOTE(Rabel @ Feb 11 2014, 12:53 AM)
U know got malaysian ppl declared bankrupt in malaysia but still can drive big car big house in china n Indonesia ?.
Some more can come bk though KLIA.
WHO? My friend lor. He bankruptcy before 30.
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My hot piece of ass ex father was a bankrupt and he still make lots of money and store it in her account. As long as you can get cash and not repay to banks its possible to own things but for sure not under your name lor. It is like giving others your money if not the bank who bankrupted you.

Not a happy life to live yo!!

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