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waja2000
post Apr 14 2014, 12:36 AM

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The Patrol: nEUROn, Rafale, Falcon 7X - Dassault Aviation
- wish RMAF buy all 3 ....nEUROn patrol in sabah, 7X as AEW/MPA hahaha ..... biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

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post Apr 15 2014, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Apr 15 2014, 07:07 PM)
eh NORINCO nobody want to befriend them ka? Type 99 tank looks smexy  laugh.gif
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Type 99 not for sell lah .....
but export version MBT-3000 is our looking for
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post Apr 16 2014, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 15 2014, 09:44 PM)
Maintenance expensive and fuel consumption higher.
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also most importance is Gas turbine more silent compare to diesel engine,
due our ship is ASW version, gas turbine less noise help reduce interference/disturbing to sonar system. smile.gif
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post Apr 17 2014, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 17 2014, 10:14 AM)
PT. PAL begins construction of the Indonesian Navy's Sigma PKR 10514 with the Keel Laying Ceremony of the 1st ship out of 3 ordered.
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so ...indo sigma pkr @220million with 2400 tons, our Gowind 3000tons with 500 million with near similar weapon (radar, Mica-VL, Exocet B3) ... more and more think our Gowind too expensive, better just built 2400tons Gowind, or MekoA100 2200 tons with same weapon.
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post Apr 17 2014, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 17 2014, 01:02 PM)
Gowind will have buffer space to allocate up to 24-32 cell vls.
btw 500mil only if use essm.
Sigma use exocet b2 iinm.
I dun think gowind will be cheaps from the beginning as we have to pay for the development money as well.
but than again meko cls cost about usd 600mil or more on the similar weapons system.
The only thing that I dissapointed about is it lack of proper ciws.
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let wait and see on final spec ... not much different 16~32 if with mica VL. any way only 20km range. event get easy attack by heli which carry small Anti Ship Missile with range 2x~30km.
exocet b3, only 1+ million extra cost from B2 , plus launchers, cost just 10~20 million different only.
hope essm ... but look like not much hope... some person said it is ASW version, so unlikely with ESSM....
meko cls most advantage is speed up to 45 knot and radar system, and design more stealth than many stealth ship ... design for intercept ... if compare to gowind, i more like meko cls. and cls 2800 tons, perfect for RMN.

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post Apr 17 2014, 04:14 PM

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(Source: RIA Novosti; published April 15, 2014)

MOSCOW --- The Russian Defense Ministry has signed a $470 million contract with the MiG Corporation for the delivery of 16 advanced MiG-29 SMT fighters, the ministry said Tuesday.

The company had earlier confirmed the deal in an interview with RIA Novosti, but did not specify its value.

“The value of the contract, including the ground support and test equipment, is more than 17 billion rubles. The contract is a strategic measure for maintaining the combat readiness of the lightweight fighter fleet,” the Defense Ministry said in the statement.

As of last year, the Russian Air Force had 28 of the fighters, a single-seat upgraded version of the MiG-29 SM fighter capable of using smart air-to-surface weapons.

The MiG-29 SMT, developed in the first half of the 2000s, features add-on fuselage fuel tanks for extended range, special radar-absorbing paint, and can be outfitted with supersonic and anti-ship missiles. The plane can perform ‘blind’ bombing runs at night, as well as reconnaissance missions.

The Defense Ministry also plans to sign a contract for the delivery of 4++ generation MiG-35S fighters after 2016, with about 100 to be built in the near future, a spokesman for the ministry told reporters Tuesday.

The move will help optimize the ratio of light and heavy fighters in the Russian Air Force, the ministry said.
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Maybe RMAF may consider back Mig29 SMT or event Mig-35, price is so cheap. we can use back all weapon form Mig29 or same form su-30

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post Apr 17 2014, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Apr 17 2014, 04:17 PM)
then, the cycle of problem reoccur.
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what is cycle of problem?

current Mig29smt or Mig35 is totally different from 20 year ago Mig29.
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post Apr 18 2014, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 17 2014, 01:02 PM)
The only thing that I dissapointed about is it lack of proper ciws.
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actually CIWS now less popular now, event from ARLEIGH BURKE FIIA start they also phase out CIWS/RAM missile replace with ESSM, RAM missile still better replace CIWS for small ship. (CIWS i means not same with Naval Gun).

for Gowind, not sure how many hole VLS will selected in final spec, from initially is 8 vls hole than only have 8 Mica-VL it look very weak defense liability , event at lease 16 hole vls is more idea for 3000 tons ship. but if using mk-56 vls with dual pack ESSM, 16 hole we can have 32 unit ESSM missile, plus 50Km air defense range, is more than enough for our navy, also can help our country lack of SAM defense system.

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post Apr 18 2014, 10:32 PM

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Up to RM6 bil for fighter jets?

http://www.kinibiz.com/story/corporate/817...ghter-jets.html

how about above news ?
no ID login to read
with that $$$ only can buy F18 or 12~15 Rafale.

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post Apr 20 2014, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 20 2014, 01:42 PM)
DAMEN promotional video of the Indonesian Navy Sigma PKR 10514.


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some better than Gowind , with CIWS and surprising using CODAE power system.
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post Apr 22 2014, 09:01 PM

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2014 liaoning Aircraft Carrier promotion video s
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post Apr 22 2014, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(ikmal2129 @ Apr 22 2014, 08:26 PM)
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If true Gowind using engine using CODAD (COmbine Diesel And Diesel) type ,
what the point Anti Submarine version using CODAD (less complex design, bring to cheap cost). should be CODAG.
Sad our gowind ship, not worth at all for usd 4.7/RM1.5 billion fo each ship.

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post Apr 23 2014, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 08:52 AM)
Do you guys realize there is "* not included".
Thai look cheap but it not yet included SAM cost.
as for codad already been said long time ago.
me no problem with that as it have less maintenance cost and its not like a huge problem for asw mission as every1 think.
Lacking of goods ciws is the only complaint I have.
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for lack of ciws is ok if we have alot VLS missile/RAM, event some say why RMN not select Millennium 30mm? how much cost compare to osi 30mm.
Gowind is most advance and main battle ship for our Navy next 20 year,
went it design for ASW version,it should best population to suite ASW mission, silent is main important in ASW mission.
some more it is 4.7B ship, we should expect advice in population, it not a 3b ship.
if like ciws or lower maintanance better we get sigma/meko class 2400 tons , some more cheaper. with ciws + ASW + Micavl
+Exocet B3 too

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post Apr 23 2014, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Apr 23 2014, 01:01 PM)
Even not included ESSM weapons system the RTN ship is still the most expensive ship among others in the chart.
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correct, 4.7b ship with Mica-VL, rclxms.gif rclxms.gif thumbup.gif
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post Apr 23 2014, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 23 2014, 01:07 PM)
So there are no possible adding CIWS?
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German defense company Rheinmetall announced that a European navy has ordered two Oerlikon Millennium automatic cannon for one of its surface combatants. The contract is worth around €12 million, and also includes technical documentation, spare parts and services relating to maintenance training and system integration. Delivery is scheduled to take place in 2015.


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to supply MSI Defence Systems Limited 30mm Small Calibre Guns for the LCS Programme (“the Awarded Works”) at a total value of GBP17,290,916 (Great Britain Pounds Seventeen Million Two Hundred Ninty Thousand Nine Hundred and Sixteen) equivalent to RM87,729,508 at 28 Oct. 2013


MSI 30mm x2= 17 million pound contract, around USD 29 million. 6 unit Gowind (12 unit Guns) = 2.4 miilion each x2 for 1 ship, total = usd 4.8 million for each ship.

Millennium 30mm x2 = usd 20 million each ship

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post Apr 23 2014, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(James831 @ Apr 23 2014, 02:39 PM)
Any idea which version the MSI 30mm gun is referring to?
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no comfirm model, but same news said is 30mm seahawk version. Thailand is using seahawk too. personally i think is A2 version

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post Apr 23 2014, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 02:48 PM)
I dun mind we get at least ds30sigma though.
but I hoping for searams as few of our neighbours using supersonic antiship missile.

as for codad it is not as loud as you think it would be.
The current generation have improve lots.
I dun think there will be much issue since the gowind class were designed on Raft-Mounted Propulsion System (RMPS).
asw mission wont be a problem.
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SeaRAM is basically the Phalanx system, with the 20mm gun replaced with a box of eleven RAM (RIM-116 "Rolling Air Frame") missiles

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SeaRAM is meant to provide combat support ships that normally have no defenses, or at least no combat radars and fire control system.


searam not much ship using now, around 3 ship used only. event Arleigh Burke FIIA start also don't have. replace with ESSM only.

newer small/middle range ship have fire control radar, so just using RAM (RIM-116) is enough, for supersonic antiship missile, it can few by SAM too. but RAM add last layer protection. 20/30mm ciws not help on supersonic antiship missile attack.

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Apr 23 2014, 03:58 PM)
Searams is probably one of the best ciws.
Searams combo with 57mm 3p rounds should provide a very good lines of defense for the ship.
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at the end lowyat fans hope on gowind lcs

ciws searam = x
codag = x
essm = x
NSM = x
16+ vls = maybe no.
long range radar = x
= usd 470 mil

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Apr 23 2014, 04:28 PM)
AH-1Z Viper

$31mil

TAI/AgustaWestland T129

$23mil
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$31 mil is us price, export price much expensive, should be round 40+- mil each. still cheaper to Tiger.

$ 23mil is T129-A version, only limited combat funtion and limited weapon and missile. T129-B version is multirole version which more electronic/warfare feature, support AAM, more weapon missle, JDAM etc.. T129-B not yet complete testing. estimated over 30mil for T129B.



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