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azriel
post Jan 29 2014, 03:42 PM

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The 3 ex-Nakhoda Ragam Class will be named by the Indonesian Navy:

- KRI Bung Tomo
- KRI John Lie (Indonesian hero of Chinese origin)
- KRI Usman Harun

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 29 2014, 02:52 PM)
From time-time proven that our armed forces were very weak in PR.
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True, maybe the MKN should take over this matter
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post Jan 29 2014, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 29 2014, 05:40 PM)
True, maybe the MKN should take over this matter
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Actually...everything related to military ops is under MKN already. They are the link between political decision & military action. So normally politics always on the top
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post Jan 29 2014, 06:23 PM

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KRI John Lie (ex-Nakhoda Ragam Class) of the Indonesian Navy being refitted with the Oto Melara 76mm gun.

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post Jan 29 2014, 06:28 PM

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Like ops fajar in aden...after bunga melati 2 captured. The tri service are really in battle mode to storm the ship. Paskal, Paskau, GGK started their training & rehearsal once inderapura & lekiu left Lumut. Everyday...boarding, firing, spierig etc. I dont know how many amounts of ammo they brought that time. On the day...during that night when all assault boats & helos were ready... decision from PM thru MKN... pay the money. All were dissapointed..... sampai balik sini org cakap PASKAL standard basuh darah kambing je...bagi makan KFC je.
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post Jan 29 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 06:28 PM)
Like ops fajar in aden...after bunga melati 2 captured. The tri service are really in battle mode to storm the ship. Paskal, Paskau, GGK started their training & rehearsal once inderapura & lekiu left Lumut. Everyday...boarding, firing, spierig etc. I dont know how many amounts of ammo they brought that time. On the day...during that night when all assault boats & helos were ready... decision from  PM thru MKN... pay the money. All were dissapointed..... sampai balik sini org cakap PASKAL standard basuh darah kambing je...bagi makan KFC je.
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on ur personal experience,would they hv done the ops successfully?one sincere question

i read somewhere tht paskal helped in a mission with french special operations n sarkozy personally mentioned them in an article but later googled cant find anymore...is this true of their involvement?
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 06:28 PM)
Like ops fajar in aden...after bunga melati 2 captured. The tri service are really in battle mode to storm the ship. Paskal, Paskau, GGK started their training & rehearsal once inderapura & lekiu left Lumut. Everyday...boarding, firing, spierig etc. I dont know how many amounts of ammo they brought that time. On the day...during that night when all assault boats & helos were ready... decision from  PM thru MKN... pay the money. All were dissapointed..... sampai balik sini org cakap PASKAL standard basuh darah kambing je...bagi makan KFC je.
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MISC nak bayo duit, lagi pun tak silap aku, intel kata kapal tu terletak kat 2 tempat berbeza kemungkinan hostage sekali, jadi terlampau berisiko tinggi
kalo serang satu takut satu lagi pulak kene letup
+ waktu somalis pirate ni kelengkapan depa bukan tahap militia lagi tp dah small scale army
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post Jan 29 2014, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(usernameINVALID @ Jan 29 2014, 06:45 PM)
on ur personal experience,would they hv done the ops successfully?one sincere question

i read somewhere tht paskal helped in a mission with french special operations n sarkozy personally mentioned them in an article but later googled cant find anymore...is this true of their involvement?
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That one regarding medical facilities...during rescue mission we bought mobile hospital onboard inderapura with some Lt Col as Dr pakar...able to conduct major operation. That time only we have this facilities in aden... so french asked inderapura to be in their visibility when they conducted raid.
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 06:22 PM)
Actually...everything related to military ops is under MKN already. They are the link between political decision & military action. So normally politics always on the top
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haizz.. it will be sound better if the news come locally instead of Reuters
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 06:28 PM)
Like ops fajar in aden...after bunga melati 2 captured. The tri service are really in battle mode to storm the ship. Paskal, Paskau, GGK started their training & rehearsal once inderapura & lekiu left Lumut. Everyday...boarding, firing, spierig etc. I dont know how many amounts of ammo they brought that time. On the day...during that night when all assault boats & helos were ready... decision from  PM thru MKN... pay the money. All were dissapointed..... sampai balik sini org cakap PASKAL standard basuh darah kambing je...bagi makan KFC je.
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yeah..ayam too a bit disappointed that misc agreed to pay the ransom..missed the chance to see dem spec ops in action..then Indo forumers bashing us saying us pengecut n etc.. sad.gif
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 06:28 PM)
Like ops fajar in aden...after bunga melati 2 captured. The tri service are really in battle mode to storm the ship. Paskal, Paskau, GGK started their training & rehearsal once inderapura & lekiu left Lumut. Everyday...boarding, firing, spierig etc. I dont know how many amounts of ammo they brought that time. On the day...during that night when all assault boats & helos were ready... decision from  PM thru MKN... pay the money. All were dissapointed..... sampai balik sini org cakap PASKAL standard basuh darah kambing je...bagi makan KFC je.
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Battle mode doesnt meant anti piracy mode u know....it was a real battle mode. Lekiu with 8 x MM40 plus extra in inderapura. Sea skua, torpedoes, seawolf....
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QUOTE(LTZ @ Jan 29 2014, 08:08 PM)
Battle mode doesnt meant anti piracy mode u know....it was a real battle mode. Lekiu with 8 x MM40 plus extra in inderapura. Sea skua, torpedoes, seawolf....
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eh bro..y u replied to urself? laugh.gif
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 29 2014, 08:10 PM)
eh bro..y u replied to urself?  laugh.gif
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I meants merujuk perkara di atas....kira edit skit
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:36 PM

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For all the posts in the thread, I'm still waiting for official source that says MAF has bough used Tiger Attack Helis ...
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post Jan 29 2014, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(Protoculture @ Jan 29 2014, 08:36 PM)
For all the posts in the thread, I'm still waiting for official source that says MAF has bough used Tiger Attack Helis ...
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This just in

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Tiger HAP Procurement Finalised This Year????

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A report by William Steuer on Janaury 28 titled “La Malaisie signera-t-elle pour ses Tigre HAP ?“
which literally translated as “Will Malaysia Sign For Its Tiger HAP?” and published in Air&Cosmos
portal is indeed interesting and something which is very much welcomed.

As has been demostrated during Ops Daulat in March 2013, there is an apparent need by the Malaysian Army
to have a forward deployed, Close Air Support (CAS) platform such as attack helicopter, which is able to provide
aerial suppression fire close to ground troop’s enemy contact.

According to the report, as early as July 2013, the French has offered  to the MAF for the
delivery of six Eurocopter Tiger HAP attack helicopters taken from the French Army’s ALAT stock.

[FlyingHerald]


But it's also a response news to the french source..
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post Jan 29 2014, 09:14 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Jan 29 2014, 08:53 PM)
This just in
But it's also a response news to the french source..
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how much does france offer for the used Tigers?
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post Jan 29 2014, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 29 2014, 09:14 PM)
how much does france offer for the used Tigers?
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teh French army is going to have Tiger HAP in 2014
but Malaysia took 6 from the number the French Army received

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jan 29 2014, 12:12 PM)
which reminds me, why m'sia not interested with Russian vehicles?
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same like why some dont like proton. tongue.gif
cheap but not comfortable plus parts can be very difficult to find. Plus some after sales service very bad whistling.gif

Big brother murica very cautious of selling anything to us. best look to europe, not the best but acceptable

China? well the name basically speak for itself wink.gif
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post Jan 30 2014, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jan 29 2014, 10:43 PM)
teh French army is going to have Tiger HAP in 2014
but Malaysia took 6 from the number the French Army received

so not so used sangat la  tongue.gif
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IINM the French army is going to have the HAD variant.

The HAP & HAD are 2 different variant of the Tiger.

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Tiger HAP

The Tiger HAP/HCP (Hélicoptère d'Appui Protection, French for "Support and Escort Helicopter" / Hélicoptère de Combat Polyvalent French for "Multipurpose Combat Helicopter") is a medium-weight air-to-air combat and fire support helicopter built for the French Army.

It is fitted with a chin-mounted GIAT 30 mm gun turret and can carry 68 mm SNEB unguided rockets or 20 mm machine cannons for the fire support role as well as Mistral air-to-air missiles. France's 40 HAP were delivered by 2012 at a cost of €27m/unit (~US$36m) in 2012 prices.

Tiger HAD

The Tiger HAD (Hélicoptère d'Appui Destruction, in French or Helicoptero de Apoyo y Destrucción in Spanish for "Support and Destruction Helicopter") version is essentially identical to the HAP version, but with 14% more engine power available due to the upgraded Enhanced MTR390 engines (1,000 kW / 1,341 shp) and a better ballistic protection, as a result of the specific requests made by the Spanish Army. It will be equipped with the Hellfire II, and the Spike ER anti-armour missiles.

The helicopter is suited for a support and fire suppression role. It was selected by the Spanish Army and the French Army Light Aviation (ALAT) decided to upgrade most of their HAP helicopters to the HAD variant. In December 2004, Spain ordered 24 of the HAD variant and France ordered 40 HADs. France's 40 HAD will cost €35.6m/unit (~US$48m) in 2012 prices.

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The French army start receiving the HAD variant last year:

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French DGA receives first Tiger HAD helicopter from Eurocopter

24 April 2013

The French defence procurement agency (DGA) has received the first production Tiger Hélicoptère Appui-Destruction (HAD) fire-support helicopter from Eurocopter for use by French Army aviation units.

Received after the helicopter's military qualification by the DGA on 10 April, the delivery is part of a contract signed by the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR) in August 2004 for a total of 40 HAD helicopters on behalf of France.

Eurocopter Group France executive officer and global business and services vice-president Dominique Maudet said: "With the Tiger HAD, Eurocopter further expands the operational capabilities of a combat helicopter family, which has demonstrated its mission effectiveness and performance in highly challenging military deployments."

Essentially identical to the Hélicoptère d'Appui Protection (HAP) helicopter currently in service with the French Army, the helicopter features upgraded MTR390 engines, improved ballistic protection, and a new optronic sighting system and electronic warfare suite, as well as an identification, friend or foe (IFF) system.

Designed to conduct support and fire suppression missions, the helicopter can also be fitted with the PARS 3 LR anti-tank missiles, originally developed for the German Army's UHT version, in addition to the AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-surface missiles.

“With the Tiger HAD, Eurocopter further expands the operational capabilities of a combat helicopter family, which has demonstrated its mission effectiveness and performance in highly challenging military deployments."

Twenty four helicopters have also been ordered by the Spanish Army, which also features six Tiger HAP support and escort variants retrofitted for fire support and attack operations in December 2004.

The French Army plans to operate a total of 80 Tiger helicopters, which include 40 HAP and 40 HAD variants for its tactical missions worldwide.

The helicopters have extensively been used during the French military operations in Afghanistan, Libya and most recently in Mali.

Powered by two Turbomeca Rolls-Royce MTR390 turboshaft engines, the Eurocopter Tiger is a two-seat attack aircraft designed to conduct precise day and night surveillance and fire support missions.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jan 30 2014, 09:00 AM)
IINM the French army is going to have the HAD variant.

The HAP & HAD are 2 different variant of the Tiger.
The French army start receiving the HAD variant last year:
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