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post Jul 4 2006, 10:34 AM, updated 17y ago

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Rev2 of the SFF club is now opened tongue.gif in the spirit of the original SFF club of 2004.

So post your Shuttles (whatever happened to all the shuttle folks these days) and others here.

To start it off, just came across this casing that's popping up all over the shops in Taipei. It's sold in Taipei under the J-power brand for less than RM200!!!!!! That's less than half the price of Silverstone's SUG01. Pretty damn good deal lor.

It fits a standard ATX psu and MATX board with a mobo tray!!!. With all the MOD (mobile on desktop) boards coming around in matx form factor...and the T-force crowd, I think this could be big.


After a lil googling, it seems that it's also known under a few different names, Aspire Q-pack and Ultra Microfly among them...

Could this be the future of SFF?

http://www.sfftech.com/index.php?/articles...icrofly_review/

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Taiwan's version with side and top window

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post Jul 4 2006, 11:09 AM

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Voyeurmods even have a pre-installed water-cooled version of it!

http://www.voyeurmods.com/index.php?action...d=2&prevstart=0


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post Jul 4 2006, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Jul 4 2006, 11:12 AM)
nice casing but i dislike cube type of case, cause its just doesn't look good. they either try to imitate apple's design, or they just wanna shrink everything small.

btw, i notice that this casing is portable. noticable handle on the front panel
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When SFF's first came out...especially the pretty Shuttles... many ppl were tempted including myself. But then the proprietory board hence lack of upgrades were the main turn-off.

But now we see so many interesting Matx boards out there...like the earlier mentioned T-force, the 945 speedsters and the conroe boards... and now with a casing like this..

Will this be the final blow to the immobile, space hogging tower casings?


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post Jul 4 2006, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Vervain @ Jul 4 2006, 11:26 AM)
i think this is more on the Lan party side, minus the good looks to show off and minus multiple drives unless you install a massive hard drive into it. This casing is more geared towards gamers joining tourney or lan party

These case with tight compartment, most likely suffers heat issue. todays hardcore pc components are so hot, they can cook an egg

btw, what is the display at the front of the casing
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Or for those student folks that needs occasional mobility.

ps: that's a temp display up front.


QUOTE(Zypher @ Jul 4 2006, 11:32 AM)
Sniper on the roof - good to have another SFF Thread. I have given up on regular ATX casings....

J-power nice casing and very similar to the Aspire Q-pack. Been looking for the Aspire Q-pack but not available in M'sia or S'pore. Won't be surpised if the J-power manufacturer is the OEM manufacturer for Aspire Q-pack. I would love to get my hands on it - any chance of bulk order??? If yes, put me down for 1 unit although I wont be upgrading my System for another 1.0 - 1.5 yrs (UT2007!!!) :-)

I like this box better than the regular SFFs like my Biostar IDEQ 200N as space is a premium and airflow is not good at all without modding. My IDEQ fried my Ti4200 graphic card within 3 months after I upgraded to IDEQ 200N from my Coolermaster casing. After I changed to Ati 9800SE o/c to 9800Pro, I have modified my IDEQ casing for added cooling. Had my IDEQ 200N since 2004.

The only problem with the J-Power/Aspire Q-pack is that there are limited motherboards on M-ATX form factor available in M'sia that supports overclocking features. Aspire Q-packs are quite popular in Europe and US market as their market supports M-ATX mobos......
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Looking at the temps on the shootout link below, seems pretty decent leh.
http://www.sfftech.com/index.php?/articles/show/730/1
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post Jul 4 2006, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(LoneWolfTNT @ Jul 4 2006, 12:10 PM)
its look nice indeed and some room for uprade.....when its will come to
malaysia shore ? tongue.gif
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Look up... got one forumer can bring in from Singapore wat.

And check this out....some fella sumbat in a lanparty...hahahahaha

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=...16&page=4&pp=20
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post Jul 4 2006, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(kev da man @ Jul 4 2006, 03:54 PM)
ahhahahaha one forumer can even bring in the silverstones, if you ask him very nicely tongue.gif

too bad those can only support mini ATX, there is not much support from manufacturers in the high-performance mini-atx arena, with shuttle the only one supporting SLI in ther SFF. >.< after my ideq incident, unless there is a high performance, well-designed system from other manufacturers, i guess shuttle will only release its enthusiast SFFs next year -_________-
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My dear noob killa..... that micro ATX lar.

That's the interesting part (though it makes the case look fat). Due to the HTPC push, there's more and more MATX mobos in the market now...with even more coming soon.


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post Jul 4 2006, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(kev da man @ Jul 4 2006, 04:22 PM)
err im referring to SFF cases in general, like the Aopen gaming cube, MATX.

dont know bout micro ATX boards though, but PSU shopping can be a biatch in malaysia if you're looking into microatx cases :headache:
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Dood...they all use normal ATX psu di..hence the bigger size.

The way I look at it, the only downside for cases like these is the comparitive airflow vs a tower and the lack of HDD bays (though a theoratical 3 bays are enough for most folks).

So....would you get one?

ps: Aopen gaming cube's b1tch fugly.

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post Jul 4 2006, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Jul 4 2006, 04:43 PM)
I'd get a SN27P2 for my AM2 move.

But it'd be a shame to dump some fairly new parts like a Liberty and also a PC-61 that's been modded for silence.
I'm not too bothered by lack of expandability since I don't forsee myself needing a big change after this and I'm the kind of person who uses a single HDD (in the intents of lower noise and heat emissions) anyway. Hell it might even be cheaper if I could get a decent price for all the stuff I'd sell compared to if I just went out and bought a freakin expensive M2N32-SLI.
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Darn nick dood... ONE HDD???? Is that even legal? tongue.gif

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post Jul 6 2006, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(Doom @ Jul 5 2006, 11:36 AM)
size does not matter .... but what about performance ??

i had my barebone from Shuttle last time for sc 478......

it served me well until the day i had switch to higher end graphic card....

the mobo and PSU gone after 3 months of using it without much intensive gaming...

the same goes for my brother's shuttle ... he had the same problem by running X850XTPE the time...

ever since that i would said mATX has better securement as compared to those SFF with custom mobo..... which u can't get any replacement after warranty is due...
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Yeah buddy... its like matx boards these days are abundant, there's nice cases for it (which in most cases, look better than their ATX counterparts) but reading around the LYN, it still seems that the form factor can't shake off its budget image.

Silverstone SG01 Evolution
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-sg01Evolution.htm

Silverstone TJ08 <-- Best matx case around I think.
http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-tj08.htm

Coolermaster Centurion 540
http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=e...cro%20ATX%20540



QUOTE(kev da man @ Jul 5 2006, 11:41 AM)
nahh shuttles have better performance than the rest of the SFF barebone packages.

in fact, if you don't try to OC it to the max (which is a hard thing to do since they have great OC features and the boards are mighty stable)

and basically if you cram lots of hot stuff in, i wouldn't be surprised why it died so quickly.
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As you know, Shuttle was doing motherboards and almost went out of business until they started the XPC business... and we used to laugh when ppl use shuttle boards...hahahahha. Of course with XPC, their image is different but did their product actually improve, this part I dunno.


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post Jul 6 2006, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(kev da man @ Jul 6 2006, 09:57 AM)
lol even low end shuttles are priced sky high nowadays...the sn25p is still 1.8k
and as for their quality - better now, with reliability issues lessening with each model
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Gua kata matx ler... seems like ppl still think of it as mobos for boring companies and budget systems.

Back on Shuttles, they're really killing themselves like that cos they no longer have the market to themselves. There's the mac mini's and Aopen mini's (along with the many others that hasn't launched yet) that's smaller than them..... and the more flexible mATX form factor.

They did try to have an entry level product though... SS59G and SK21G selling for around RM600 but the chipsets are just pathetic.
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post Jul 7 2006, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(evilnickwong @ Jul 6 2006, 06:56 PM)
Lol well hey I never found the need for many HDDs since I rarely use up a lot of disk space. Anything I download is burned to DVD except for music which I use daily, so it's fine by me. laugh.gif
The HDD is the loudest thing in my rig anyway, so adding another would be a drastic difference.
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I know lar....u got GF di...that's why don't need so many HDD whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif

QUOTE(Vervain @ Jul 6 2006, 10:20 PM)
why is there a need for 2 hard disk? just to play safe if the primary one goes down. you dun want the data to get loss don't you?
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Nope.... "media" brows.gif
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post Jul 12 2006, 10:12 AM

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Check this out.. Nexus psile.

4mm thick aluminum, mini-itx based case wub.gif wub.gif

Veli veli high end stuff. biggrin.gif

http://www.psile.com/index.php?ID=2

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post Jul 17 2006, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(eBola @ Jul 13 2006, 12:41 AM)
any lubangs for slimline slot loading optical drives in taiwan, sniper?
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Dun have ler....unless get from pioneer lor.

Snap'ed this photo yesterday..that J-power case still kinda huge compared to other real SFF ler unsure.gif

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post Jul 22 2006, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(megatrox @ Jul 21 2006, 11:32 PM)
Hello everybody. I'm new here. I am looking for a mini-itx mainboard specifically VIA EPIA ML6000 Fanless. Any idea where i buy this board in Malaysia? Appreciate your help.
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Check out this thread... http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=304293&st=0
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post Jul 31 2006, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(megatrox @ Jul 31 2006, 04:24 PM)
RM860 for the ML6000 coz this is back to back order and special order. Can wait till the bring in their full shipment and can get RM660. If order a lot can also get lower price...
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What application are you gonna use with the ML600? You do know that there's people who makes more powerful calculators than the 600Mhz Eden.

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QUOTE(megatrox @ Aug 1 2006, 01:27 PM)

but the fun would be building your own casing ... maybe get some cheap-cheap toaster from Giant and put the mother board in there... :-)
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I'm building one tongue.gif Pics soon.
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post Aug 5 2006, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(megatrox @ Aug 2 2006, 01:23 PM)
Not many you can find in malaysia. As i mentioned earlier, Gatum Dale has the morex mondeo http://www.morex.com.tw/products/productdetail.php?fd_id=53
and cost RM360 including power supply.

You can also try http://www.mini-itx.com/ for casings and ideas.

I think that if building your own, it's better to get the fanless board. So that we don't have to worry much about the ventilation for the casing. However, most fanless will not be that powerful if you are looking at using it for 3D gaming. If for normal browsing, office apps, playing dvd and mp3, i think there are many fanless board that can support these.
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I reckon you would've already gotten your ITX setup huh?

Wanna pimp it for us to see? rclxms.gif

ps: $360 for a 1.33Ghz SP ..case and everything's a damn good buy

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Aug 21 2006, 06:51 PM)
This Aerocool sff looks nice....

I wonder what's the price. Can use Micro ATX board and normal size ATX psu.
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Aiyar...variation of the theme yet again!

The chassis is the same as the one on the first page. The front bezel looks better on the Aerocool though..save for the knobs.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=309352&st=0
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QUOTE(dragonajie @ Aug 22 2006, 11:30 PM)
dudes, my IDEQ200N just died last week after like 2 years of service so now i'm looking to upgrade using Micro-ATX, and i have to say, the Aspire Q-pack really gets my attention. browsed teh interwebs, found out the price to be like USD80++

can i get it anywhere in M'sia? sweat.gif
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That Qpack thing here berlambak and cheap too. Was really thinking about buying one but it's not small by any means. Summore the quality is really crappy... sub Icute like.

The shop displayed it next to the Silverstone SG01.. yeah I know the price is more than double of the "Qpack" but it's like comparing a BMW 7 series and run down 10 year old Kancil in comparison. ( a 7 series cost more than 10x kancil tongue.gif...so SG01E is value right laugh.gif )

Really cannot accept ler...its THAT bad. The alu used is really soft (don't know if its really anodised or not) and the whole chassis flexes.

Cooling performance wise...Qpack seems to be better but the SG01-E provided with extra cash doh.gif can be improved as well.

Like using the NT06 Nitrogen cooler fanlessly in conjunction with a 12cm fan'ed PSU.
Add the crossflow fan....which the interweb says drops 5-6C off the mobo temp.

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QUOTE(dragonajie @ Aug 23 2006, 02:08 PM)
how would you review Coolermaster Centurion RC-541? Review from Hardwarezone praises it for its sturdiness but the BTX origins seems like a big turn off. But price wise, its darned cheap.
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Well....it's still a budget case tongue.gif

Guess what... Silverstone's LATEST minum Milo anda jadi sihat dan kuat casing rclxms.gif

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products-ml01.htm

The ML01 Milo. Apparently all the rumours about a replacement model for SG01 are just that..rumours. The Milo on the other hand is what I think as the ideal HTPC dimension wise. Just nice to throw in a Merom. wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif brows.gif

Not for the watercooling...I wanna SLI overclock my casio watch crowd. icon_idea.gif

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