Borrow your post to be posted to GaGa thread ya Need to reduce reckless driver over there

It was a lift off over steer? Lost confident at the OUTTER LANE(which is the left lane on the right corner). As and when you hear tyre screech(overspeed), strong understeer push your steering hard. So panic & jumped the gas pedal? Right wheel suddenly gain grip due to sudden lift off, car spun to LEFT due to right wheel gain grip. As & when hit the left road shoulder, poor Ford turtled.

Korek me if ayam wrong

Plotong GaGa tered, ayam 1 of the owner there. That side lots of mat rempit, borrow you post to alert them shit can happen.

Roxy,

I don't mean to say your car fly. I'm saying, it can possibly caused by evasive maneuver. I have very good experience in accident investigation(been stuck with this job for years), and also fair slice of autocross experience. From what I saw in the pictures posted, that is clearly the entrance of Seremban hiway connected Kesas exit from Endah Parade direction. That place is a well know UNDERSTEER setup due to the idiotic speed breaker, also the road condition was slant FROM the LEFT to the RIGHT. Usually, if you keep your car on the RIGHT lane, you'll have better grip due to the road setting, so you have more lateral tolerance from your left wheel. But your case is, you're doing 100+ at the LEFT lane, which induce extreme understeer at such condition.

I'm not saying it's NOT the WOOD. It could be tyre start giving up(and it's the wood in your case), as an ordinary driver will ease off the gas pedal trying to gain grip(probably stab on the brake at the same time when RELEASE GAS PEDAL - technically call it lift off). When this being applied, majority of the rear weight will be shifted infront, hence the car spun into the LEFT side instead of right. Do remember, now majority of the weight being transferred to the FRONT LEFT, as your car hit the road shoulder, the only physics you can anticipate is the rear left wheel get lifted off, the rest of the story can fill in the blanks already.

Anyway, here's some reading about lift-off oversteer from wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-off_oversteer

Case study #1


Case study #2

There's a good chance that they pour oil on the left lane(way before the corner). It could be the wooden block as you claimed, but I couldn't see it in the picture you've posted. The original intention was to make victim skid, hit their both front/rear left wheel on the road shoulder and total their tyres and rims so these call man/tow truck service can tow their car back. That however, they wasn't expect the car that came so fast(which is you doing 100+) and became a lift-off oversteer and turtle a Focus(more like a MyBi thing).

*Here refer the 3rd party towing service/call man as THEY/THEIR/THEM: They usually setup the trap after 2am, that's their morale to NOT involve more than 2 cars in an accident, so to avoid fuzz came and do their usual scene inspection(and ofcourse if found oil on the floor, fuzz will smile at the tow truck and ask them whether need to make the report straight or change a little bit(that ofcourse will eat into their profit). They usually setup the trap as far as 100 meters away from their targeted area(trust me, oil on rubber can reduce frictional surface for a very long time). They like to hide under fly over/elevated way/under bridge and wait for their prey to fall into their trap, because usually those place got rest area for motorcyclist during bad weather. They don't work alone, usually in pair or trice but not more than that. Reason being, if more than 1 car accident, 2 of them will be able to do their job. The extras usually will act as a dumbass overcharge fella that call for crazy pricing, so the victim will fall for the already tripled of reasonable price' price. But ofcourse the dumbass overcharge fella will still get his cut later after being settled

Now you have the minimal knowledge to reconstruct the conspiracy. What time the event taken place? Think back, what happened when you exited Kesas, what happened? Before enter the tunnel, why did you choose the left lane? Other than the fast car infront of yours, is there something blocking the right lane that makes you feel uncomfortable hence you chosen the left? After the accident, they came within 10 seconds. Which direction from the end of the tunnel? Where about they came from? The direction they came from got what?

Angry? Felt being setup? Not necessarily, next time drive slower & take cautious.

Not NEWS liao. Claim is getting rampant. Insurance union went report pulis on that area, manatau now both party become partner liao. Sama² ciari makan

Many a times the understeer we experienced in our car(even if the's WET condition) is not irrecoverable because the tyre traction was designed way beyond what we experienced. I'm trying to simplify some technical thing here so you can understand it well.

When you turn your car into a corner, your front MacPherson strut will be slightly expand, coupled with chassis flex to induce a certain degree of body roll. For example, when you turn right at certain speed(basically rempit kinda speed), your left front wheel will start to squeel like a pig and you start to feel steering kick back. That is called CAMBER THRUST. I know you wouldn't click on the link and read, so I make it simple for you to understand what is a CAMBER THRUST. When you roll a coil upright, the coin go straight because the radial force(upward) and lateral force(side way) are equal. If you roll your coin by slant to the left, the coin will roll in to the left, getting tighter and tighter until spin. Vice versa, if you roll the coin by slant to the right, the coin will roll to the right until it spin and fall. Now imagine, when you're taking the above right corner, your car body roll due to chassis flex and your suspension setup, the weight being transferred into your left wheel. Your wheel is pulling OUT to the left, whereas you're turning into right. You'll hear a lot of tyre screeching noise because of this nature of design. The car itself is designed to understeer(particularly our cars that uses Torsion Beam at the back). Reason for factory to setup such understeer is to alert you, the tyre is starting to reject your turning direction because it's started to stress. The faster you attack the corner, the harder CAMBER THRUST you get, the more tyre screeching noise you hear.

Why those cars gets an accident despite they're understeer to the RIGHT, but they crash their car on the LEFT?! (Take note, more than 80% of my investigation of speeding accidents, it appears to be a long tyre marks indicates that victim is trying to negotiate a high speed right turn, whilst ended up crashed into the left side) Here's the reason, our country practice right side driving. Average Joe like you and me would be automatically have more confident in negotiating right turn better than left, on a high speed left turn, regardless of what our subconcious will tell our hands to go ease on the steering wheel trying not to push it too far as we can't see the longkang on the left hand side. Ask yourself, how often did you hear tyre screeching sound when you racing through a left corner? But it happens alot during a right turn! Now, set that confident level of driving theory aside. What happened is, when CAMBER THRUST beyond our EXPERIENCE, we think we're going to lose the head(too much understeer as if the car going to fly), we instinctively jump the gas pedal. Your transmission(known as GEAR BOX) sense the left wheel is on the ground, so the differential will absorb the torque from the wheel on the ground, and try to gain grip on the RIGHT. When that happened, originally your car was having heavy understeer unable to turn right, now your gearbox helped you to put more torque on the right wheel because you jump the gas pedal. Now you have an OVERSTEER to deal with Again, an average Joe like you and me probably will immediately turn the steering wheel to the LEFT rapidly(triple facepalm). Don't forget our left wheels is currently having CAMBER THRUST to the left, our steering input got very little(probably none) effect to the tyre traction anymore. Still I have to mention this again, an average Joe like you and me found the steering is not helping, so INSTINCTIVELY we STAB on the brake pedal! The poor car now from oversteer to the right became extreme weight shifting from the back to the front. Let's reconstruct how we make a perfect recipe of counter clockwise DONUT.

1) Turning right corner, lateral weight pushing the left wheel out, as a result CAMBER THRUST to the left, understeer to the right
2) Tyre screech too loud, seeing cannot cope with the speed, jump the gas pedal
3) Transmission sense left wheel on the ground, right wheel need more torque, differential use the left wheel to spin up the right wheel. From understeer become oversteer
4) Driver seen the car suddenly oversteer, scared jump the cliff, hit the wall, car, dog, bike or anything on the right immediately countersteer to the left kao kao
5) Since the left tyre is currently on CAMBER THRUST, there's nothing the steering can do much about it, and driver become even panic because the tyre is not reacting, so KICK on the brake pedal
6) When brake kicks in, majority of the weight from the back of the car will be transfer to the front.

Conclusion: With a full left steering lock + weight being shifted from the back to the front + having camber thrust to the left. We've finally made up an irrecoverable OVERSTEER

Now, finally I can answer your question if you did grind through the above. In wet condition, you don't hear tyre screeching sound. You going over speed also don't know. Again, the tyre will still have decent wet traction, but it's even easier to make it spin if you jump the gas pedal and stab the brakes. Usually, if you're already heavily understeer, just continue negotiate your steering and GRADUALLY relief your gas pedal until suitable speed. Last but not least, you wouldn't wanna hear this, I was once below 25 year old, buy insurance also kena loading. Instead of adrenaline rush, I fuel up my blood with octane. Being a male, and below 25 that 2 factor is already troublesome, couple with a CAR will be a perfect combination of overspeed. Drive steadily my friend. I didn't ask you to hog on the main road at 40kph, just trying to enjoy the car.

Watched too much initial D Left foot braking has to begin BEFORE you attack the corner, not during understeer. If you do that, you'll spin like gasing Just keep on pushing the steering. If must, then gently/gradually ease off the gas pedal by little bit. understeer is very easy to save, oversteer.... ah hia jibai bo hor liao, boh lan jiao goh

Are you kidding me?!

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Sear...=posts&hl=&st=0

4 pages of resentment for Plotong GaGa alone, you sei no issue at all Dafuq r u toking about?!

v12kompressor - Going to sell GaGa soon and bai vios
dares - sold GaGa within a year of ownership, rather rugi 12k than continue maintaining a crap car
billy520 - sold GaGa went for Hongda Insai

Many more fedup GaGa member, everyday need to fix. Hence, ayam here, seriously considering to own a P42

This post has been edited by davidke20: Jan 23 2014, 11:10 PM

Bcoz other brand got their own plobrem Besides, how sure are you is the lower arm? Usually when after plonk D, pickup time only emit sound could be many element that causes that sound. Lower arm was only 1 that is highly unlikely. Some of the thing may need to look at as below:

1) cross member mounting
2) engine mounting
3) trasnmission mounting
4) loose hose in the engine bay
5) sticky hub brakes(unless you don't have disc brakes at the back)
6) Front/rear disc brake caliper mounting
7) Front/rear disc brake pad liner plate not properly configure, as a result the brake pad is loose

As a Plotong owner.... we fix them every day

Loosen lower arm? If you have a loose lower arm, a slight out of alignment you'll be whacking corner on a straight road liao

Bro, driveshaft sound is persistent geh. If driveshaft plobrem, be it just start engine, started engine very long, went long distance drive, short distance drive, all same. As long konar time, sure will kruk kruk sound UNTIL steering turn straight. CV Joing(locally known as driveshaft) is a triangular bearing joint. The reason it emit knocking sound is because some of the roller bearing was worn off, when the already OVAL shaped bearing roll through a flat surface, the apex will reject the shape, and the flatter side fall on the surface will emit fugly knocking sound.


According to your description, Reverse+steering turn, after straighten and move forward will emit the clicking sound, I would suspect several thing that related to movable part:

1) Spring seat misaligned(front macpherson)


2) strut bearing over tighten


3) Anti roll bar forgot to put grease


Usually these 3 are more likely.

Another thing is, does it happen EVERYTIME you do the same act? Or only in the morning when you fresh start to car? And or you left the car long enough, come back and start it will only happened when it's not properly warmed up. If it keep happening regardless of condition, it could be 1 or 2 and or both. If it only happened during cold, probably is lack of grease.

1 of this, take note the rear right wheel fly off when I was doing 110kph


1 of this, getting buttseck twice in a year


1 of this, power window and centre locking keep on dying, worst is the well known aircond gone case all together


These are the few actively involved in my life. Many more before these. Currently I'm looking for a good deal for this:

Ok la bro. U slam 9 the brake pedal kao kao 1st before you reverse the car next time after cold start If that 1 time u slam the brake pedal in the first place and no sound ady, then con9lan7fem is the ABS liao

Need to know your vacuum in order to achieve good FC. I can teach u how to cheap mod to gain ultimate grip to tapau most vios across the country in corner without flying to the moon, but you're not going to like the look of the car

1 last thing to conlanfem whether it's sticky brake. Tomolo moaning go to the car, start 9 jor, plonk N gear(make sure the ground is flat) ask your boifren or gafren go push the kar manually see whether u can hear the sound(whether can push or not is anor issue). If push oso not rolling, conlanfem brake jam. If push dataim initially hard to move, but after the kruk sound then only easy to roll, means brake semi jammed.

For now, let's focus on brake. After this slowly boil to other part if kenot solve. So used to all these crap with Plotong Bought crap kar, angry oso no use, can't get refund geh. Might as well solve it & enjoy the kar lor To be honest, those fuckers in SC can only do so much coz they gotta follow procedure to troubleshoot, got standard instruction to fix certain problem if criteria met. Ask this fella TitanRev, he's ex staff

Me, I developed with various trial & error, almost got myself killed several times. My 1st ever owned Toyol was a joy, also pain in the butt when comes to repair



Some of you probably haven't born yet

If lidat quite con9lan7fem is the spring seat/bearing issue like xakarix84 mentioned suspension issue. If this shit has been inherited since P42, there are not going to layan you coz even they themselves don't know what is happening. So, we need more people to look into this matter. If we can con9lan7fem all Vios shares the same sickness, we can write to tribunal pengguna & giveToyol some pressure to fix it for us

TRD plis

Kenot see from the outside, had to remove tyre.

In this piktar u can see both upper/lower spring seat after removed the whole strut from the front wheelwell.


Here is a inside view, some care the strut bearing are exposed, if I remember VIOS is covered inside the strut mounting. This is the bearing that allow your damper(known as ABSORBER locally) being turn following the lower knuckle when steering action for negotiating turn.


Ayam suspecting 2 of this lar But as dares conlanfem his P42 got no such issue, I wish to hear more from other owner to cumbak with input. If in the end still kenot solve, we can arrange TT to diagnose individual vehicle. I'll bring along some tool to help up(by not voiding your woranti as priority ofcoz).

Got TRD Sportivo badge, whack konar oso moar konfiden

No, ayam not a GT wing guy, neither do I ask you change the look of your car. However, vehicle height can be important in terms of dropping the center of gravity, whilst trying how to maintain the roll center. Dropping center of gravity NOT necessarily lowering your ride, it could be many other reasons. Too many write ups to cover those technical stuff I've learnt over the years in motorsports. May be next time TT baru cerita la. Or if I have the time to start a brand new thread in F&F to discuss about how to improve handling for crap vehicle that came handicapped tofu beam at the back

Ayam not a magician, can't possibly tell u where exactly at fault by just imagining over text conversation . Pls hv patience so we step by step diagnose lo ok I'm not saying it WILL make noise everytime u start stop engine.