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 LYN Proton INSPIRA Owners and Fans Thread V61!, Still going strong!

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mercury99
post Jan 8 2014, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(nzh0920 @ Jan 8 2014, 06:57 PM)
Hsk pun talak tau, buluh must be not yet grow finish
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not only me dont know lol edison too
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post Jan 9 2014, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(gheyfriend @ Jan 9 2014, 03:09 PM)
change the inspira to accord better lar
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rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

VTEC eats MIVEC for breakfast
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post Jan 9 2014, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(mytmnet @ Jan 9 2014, 05:30 PM)
How about VTTTTi ? blush.gif
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MIVEC and VTI are the same. Just different name.
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post Jan 10 2014, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 10 2014, 04:03 PM)
Hybrid?? No time read yet

Hmm.. Interesting..
35Nm only thou..
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35Nm for RM3500 to RM8000 rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jan 21 2014, 02:40 PM

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bacalah ini:

Job 5

http://rpw.com.au/index.php?option=com_con...cles&Itemid=655
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post Jan 21 2014, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 02:51 PM)
we talking bout the Opening of the intake la.. not CAI ..
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We tested three variations of air induction kits being

(1) Utilising the Apollo kit as a SRI system sucking from the larger air inlet, pulling air from the rear of the engine bay

(2)  Adapting the pipe work from the K&N Apollo kit onto the factory air inlet tubing for a cold air feed

(3) Utilising the full setup of the K&N Apollo Kit and sucking form the inside guard of the vehicle for a complete cold air feed
(1) The first test didn't result in gains due to hotter temperatures and AFR became richer overall. (Nothing to do with VIM or swirling effects.)
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 21 2014, 03:01 PM)
mercury99 K3nnYkl82

while the main reason is AFR, temperature plays an important role too as i speculated laugh.gif
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yup, a tune to lean out the AFR and CAI is the way to go. but K&N CAI is kinda expensive. can almost buy a turbo
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:06 PM)
Yup .. temperature do play a big difference.. but the swirling effect does matter..

go google up the ivtec system as well .. thats mixing better the Air and fuel to gain better torque and complete burn .. u open up it .. it does not help much
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iinm, swirling effect happens in the intake manifold right?

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 21 2014, 03:06 PM)
all this is with assumption you're tuning a track car with disregard to low/mid end as k3 already highlighted numerous times though laugh.gif
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:07 PM)
i strongly disagree ..

if its for track .. yes .. but for daily use .. i can almost confirm guarantee .. no matter how u tune .. the power will drop ..

simple .. u ask those kaki whom change bigger flow exhaust one .. does that helps or not ..  tongue.gif
i know an ah beng whom change to 2.2" .. lolz
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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:08 PM)
correct .. if u are going for a track car .. that is .. but we are talking about daily drive with open pod ..
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Have a look at the 3rd dyno by RPW for the CAI. This is untuned, rich, and doesn't deviate much from the original torque curve.
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:16 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:11 PM)
Go back to ur website and see between 2000 - 3000 rpm .. stock or short ramp with what ever CAI .. which one higher ..

daily drive power range is 2-3k rpm ..
and one thing dyno chart never show .. time for the thing to climb
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time to climb is a result of torque available (transfered to wheels) right? with more torque, you'll accelerate faster no?

3rd dyno (with CAI untuned)

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post Jan 21 2014, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 21 2014, 03:18 PM)
notice how the torque curve is a bit "bumpy" (got torque dip) similar to how a campro engine is already.

if you wanna use an actual campro engine, i think plant in campro better bro tongue.gif

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open 2x tab for both links, spam alt tab to compare (sorry at work/training, no dual screen at my cubicle/home pc)
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it's interesting that the 2nd torque curve has more area under the curve than the 1st one (below 3500rpm - daily drive) albeit a slight dip at 2500, it picks up stronger at 2750
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 21 2014, 03:22 PM)
the dip range is between 2500-3500... which doesn't take into account of how slow/fast your rpm climbs lerh...

you have to sit before 2500 or go after 3500 in a hurry... that's a very stressful drive if you ask me tongue.gif
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you must only look at the difference between both curves rclxub.gif from 2750 onwards the one with CAI is above the original curve
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:25 PM)
thats why proton comes with VIM now .. the campro drivablity improve a whole lot .. which mercury doubt it thou ..  tongue.gif
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no la i dont doubt VIM, jz that it isn't on our car

QUOTE(chiew9390 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:26 PM)
Hi all,

been 4months with my inspira ..everything seems ok still ..but there r noticeable noice in the cabin when driving > 100kmph ... is that normal for all inspiras ?
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you think you driving lexus ar? when vehicle speed increases, air speed also increases resulting in more cabin noise.

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post Jan 21 2014, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:29 PM)
u still dont get what we are talking isit ??

what will happen stock + CAI .? (Low end)
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hmm maybe not. what you mean by stock? how to keep things stock once you went CAI?
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post Jan 21 2014, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:34 PM)
u can remain the stock air filter add on CAI ma .. adui .. first day mod car isit ?

my putra stock also we play CAI la ..

we are just PROVING that OPEN POD will kill ur low end ..

and your theory is NOT PROVING that it wont kill .. but u can rescue the low end by CAI (REAL GOOD CAI)

and im saying stock its non CAI also can achieve what you have CAI ..
Nah .. stock filter CAI on a wira
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the reason why open pod will ruin low end is because it sucks in too much air (richens AFR) and not because of the swirling effect right? because swirling effect happens in the intake manifold.
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post Jan 21 2014, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 03:48 PM)
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There is no vacuum cleaner in the car .. the effect of sucking air is produce by the piston moving downwards pulling the air in from the intake .. an open pod (BIG BIG HOLE) .. air can flow in easily .. hence ur air and fuel does not mix good .. does not mix good means some fuel is not burn completely.. not burn means wasted .. if u minus out the NOT BURN fuel its like GOING rich .. bcoz u got fuel .. u cant burn .. yet it takes up the limited space within the combusion chamber ... thats why u get the rich AFR ... FAHAM BOH ?
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yea that was what i meant XD dont so kan cheong, later get heart attack lol
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post Jan 21 2014, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(edison1437 @ Jan 21 2014, 05:25 PM)
prof is here ma.... need his advice mou for air intake

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jan 21 2014, 05:28 PM)
he different level jor. ALREADY TRIAL AND TESTED, EXECUTED, PROVEN.
we still brainstorming here haven't even figure out the basics...

like kindergarden student asking professor, you think the kid will understand meh?
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ya ya just ask only la deng. you dont wanna learn from prof meh
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post Jan 22 2014, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 21 2014, 11:08 PM)
ktek, think logic way .. i like to use the example of water hose ..
at low rpm (small water) .. u squeeze the outlet to allow the water pancit more .. How to squeeze it ?? the inlet mivec . this will have an effect like picit the hose end .. so when the air and fuel enter the combusion chamber it will swirl and cause better mixture.. remember ur engine speed is slow now ...

but at high speed .. the piston run very very fast.. if u still do that .. the air and fuel belum swirl piston already punching up d .. so its obviously better to just open up the inlet as much as possible (paip buka kuat kuat d) .. so the air and fuel pump in As fast as possible
Find NZH .. he Sifu on that .. lolz ..
RA snorkel not really that much affect as i explain jo ..
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are you suggesting that MIVEC controls valve lift or what?
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post Jan 22 2014, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 22 2014, 09:17 AM)
Why so hard to understand my sentense meh??
I use picit hose example d.. Buka kuat kuat means no picit lo
No picit is lift meh??
Lift is cut open make hole bigger d
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abit hard lo tbh. so basically you're saying the timing of valve open and close creates turbulence la. say earlier ma

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 22 2014, 09:24 AM)
When do u think the strongest vacuum effect happen?

What is the diff between lift and non lift mivec?
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iinm strongest vacuum happens when engine rpm is highest.

lift and non lift? one can change how big the valve opens and the other cannot
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post Jan 22 2014, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 22 2014, 09:56 AM)
Errmmm.. I think many understand with the picit theory.. Juz u duno why related to lift suddenly..

How to create picit effect.. I move the mivec timing earlier, so when the piston start traveling down the opening already ready or moving to slowly close.. This will make the opening smaller n smaller.. The picit effect.. At high speed u make the timing back to normal where ur piston traveling down u get all the air in as fast as possible.. (so u tell me where ur lift theory suddenly appear in my explaination?)
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yup yup. i highlighted it in red.
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post Jan 22 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Jan 22 2014, 10:06 AM)
It ur sane mind, our car mana ada lift ? Why bring into the picture?
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i was confused lol rclxub.gif

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