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post Aug 19 2015, 12:49 PM

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Anyone from soviet? Mind sharing your secret fishing spot? No deep sea atm yet
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post Aug 19 2015, 12:49 PM

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Anyone from soviet? Mind sharing your secret fishing spot? No deep sea atm yet
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post Mar 5 2017, 04:52 PM

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hi guys planning to try deepseafishing. but got no deepsea rod. any recommendation? what should i prepare for the trip?
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post Mar 6 2017, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(ex24dec02 @ Mar 5 2017, 06:17 PM)
For rod i can recommend ugly stik tiger around 300ish. As for the reel multiplier with low ratio is a must. Electric reel aka bangla is optional but also become a must depending on fishing depth.
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That is for casting is it? I only know bottom
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post Mar 6 2017, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(ex24dec02 @ Mar 6 2017, 01:03 PM)
It is for bottom. There are also type for casting. When talk about deep sea ranging over 50m u need to use big sinker to make sure your bait reach bottom. Sinker can range from few hundred gram to a few kgs. In this situation, lower ratio multiplier will provide ease to anglers due to low ratio and perpendicular spool axis. I just new to this fishing world but have done some reading. Maybe other experts have additonal info to add.

Btw, just want to share I have a friend who brought spinning reel during our first deep bottom trip. He didn't catch any and sleep throught the day.
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i see. so i just get the ugly stik tiger plus 1 reel right? reel is drum type or depends on preference? mind sharing ur reading materials? wanna get more info too . thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Mar 6 2017, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(ex24dec02 @ Mar 6 2017, 03:38 PM)
The ugly stik is just my preference because i found it is quite popular among bottom fishing and affordable. Any other rod should be ok as long it comes with high PE rating (above 4). Drum type Is ok but better find ratio around 4-5 for general use. Spinning is a big no for me. I owned a conventional reel with high ratio 6.2:1 can feel a bit heavy during reel in my size 18 sinker. If got budget also can consider two speed reel. Wider application due to have both high and low gear.

As for reading material, you can just google around. Many information available out there.
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ok thanks. i will google around later tonight then. any pantang or not? hmm.gif
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post Mar 11 2017, 05:12 PM

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Guys any comments on okuma reels? Got intro ajiking rodand okuma reel for deep sea
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post Mar 11 2017, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Mar 11 2017, 05:34 PM)
which model ?
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Sorry my bad. Reel for okuma is cedros. For ajiking rod it is pro italy pop
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post Mar 12 2017, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Mar 11 2017, 09:59 PM)
you planning to use this setup as a bottom  or popping ?????

pro italy pop is a popping rod , i seen plenty of people use it for casting but not for bottom

for the reel okuma was never famous for it spinning reel and i never
own 1 before cant tell the performance but for their round reel is famous
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I tell the guy i plan bottom tho. He intro me this hmm.gif
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post Mar 13 2017, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(katsumoto2011 @ Mar 12 2017, 06:13 PM)
i can understand why he recommend you that

if you decide to use this rod for other type of fishing then you still able to use it

if you buy a genuine bottom setup , you can only use it for sea bottom fishing

not to mention cedros is quite expansive , if i m not mistaken you around rm 7xx
for that price i recommend you take biomaster 5000 or saragosa 5000
forget to ask what kinda weight you planning on using ?
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Cedros he offer me is 360. I see ok. Since im new u think i should take that or not. Or just use a purely bottom rod
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post Mar 13 2017, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 13 2017, 06:20 PM)
u get good tekong help u. i not yet fully trained. nobody can know everything except unker david aka ironman. jig technique cannot just watch utube to learn. u get basic knowledge from utube ok la. real llife u dunno how hard they jerk or how hard they apply force for fast jig, how the speed pace, how the lift, how much they spool in. so get good tekong willing to share.
i go out alot with unker david. for 9 years oredi. i think maybe i got 3% of his knowledge in fishing. ah chuah got more because he got more deep pokets. my finance is limited bajet.

my advice is get a good jigging tekong help u. u chartter his boat out, learn from him. he can tell u weather conditions and the gear to prepare.

if klang u no use heavy jig is will float till heaven. i just came back klang yesterday. super strong undercurrent. jig weight around 300gm only can reach bottom. normal usual days, u can use 150gm-200gm. hardly u can use 40gm. if in klang water u can use 40gm means is called air mati. during air mati, u drop what shit also wont catch anything 1. trust me on this. experienced tekong can advice u .

klang water is roughly 15m-65m depend on tide. 15m usually is lepak place for tengiri . u jig must fast run mid jig range with fast retrieve. tengiri is chase fish. if u nothing for them chase, u will spook them.

so some things to consider when jigging

1 - water depth. (how deep , the how heavy the gear, the jigs colors u use. got color spectrum underwater u can refer to chart using google)
2 - target fish. u wan target what fish will depend on jig style. slow jig, fast jig, crank bait, jerkbait, softbait, micro jigging, fast retrieve, slow retrieve, bottom dwelller, top dweller etc etc
3 - sea conditions. high tide mean strong current and means u need heavier jig if u wan reach bottom and not let your partner fak 97 u.
4 - location. if u fish in klang and expect a marlin or dolphin and u prepared your setup for it, then u will dissapoint. if u bring popper setup to kuala selangor u will be dissapoint. so see location and what fish available thhere.
with this in mind u can prepare your gears.
i give u 2 example.

1 - klang

if u fish in klang yesterday, i went 30nm off carey, i know the depth area is around 40m. water is not clear, undercurrent super strong around 3knot and i am target jenahak and tengiri and baracuda.

so i prepared, 5000 reel with 30lb braid and 50lb leader 3 depa cause is deep and fish is with sharp gigi, rod i use senses pe 3-6 cause jig weight will be about 300gm-350gm. yes i use spinning reel with slow fall jig and slow pitch rod. i not like open reel. my thumb pain. jig color used to be yellow and oren but since i use for 2 years oredi, all color come out and become silver. my jig is for target tengiri/baracuda so i drop between 5m-15m. i no play jenahak bottom dweller or tong gas.

2 - mersing

if u fish in mersing yesterday, which is high tide coz my friend just balik from there, the depth around pulau sri buat is 30m. water is clear, undercurrent strong around 1.1knot and target is tengiri.

so prepare 4000 reel with 20lb braid and 50lb leader 3 depa cause not deep but gigi super sharp. rod can use pe 0.8-1 or 1-2/1-3 cause jig weight will be 40gm-80gm. chase tengiri is fast retrieve so crankbait good. if no crankbait can fast retrieve 40-60gm metal jig also. put bulu just in case. they say bulu very good to attract tengiri but i no try before.
so u see, the setup of diff location, diff time, diff target fish, diff undercurrent , diff water visibility all take into consider. u must know where u gonna fish, what time, when and determine how u wanna fish.

u can jig, fast or slow. u can soft bait, but that also got fast and slow. u can bottom, which is apolo or reban. u can crankbait for tengiri or GT. popping dun play la. damn tiring 1. need teknik to popping and not easy wor. i try before after 3 minit i give up liao. the popping rod so stiff i think can use make as tiang for house ah.

anyway i hope this help u little bit by little bit. many thing to learn for jigging. i also tableh habis learning 1.
okuma good. helios for mid jigging. cedros for bottom fishing. they got baitrunner series very good very effective. can compare with even better than shimano baitrunner.  of all the okuma reel, i most like is their trio 55s  i think. baitrunner. is good for bottom/deep sea 1.
they also got nice rod, pe1 i think, nemesis. very nice feel like abu garcia verdict but less than 1/2 the price. i remember last time i wanted the verdict. RM 300+ then i discover nemesis. RM 95. i straight wanted buy nemesis. end up i go buy expert graphite i regret like shit. i kena poison by friend buy EG. i shudda bought nemesis.
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Yaya he tell me okuma cedros can use bottom and fast enough for jigging. Maybe i wil get it this weekend. Tce got discount and got bday discount
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post Mar 13 2017, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 13 2017, 07:52 PM)
cedros u buy 8000 or 10000 ?

cannot jig la, dun crazy la. too heavy already, u muscular meh ? u wan jig use mid range 4000 5000 ok la. still can sustain. cedros i know is 8000 and 10000 very popular. u see the weight oredi wan pengsan. cedros is like penn battle 2. sturdy but heavy like fuark oni. dun siao meh. we not gwailou leh, we weakling leh.
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He intro me 4k size one oh
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post Mar 14 2017, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(ex24dec02 @ Mar 14 2017, 10:29 AM)
Honestly 4k size is too small to be considered as deep sea bottom setup. Deep sea reel need to hold lots of line and comes with low gear ratio to be able to lift heavy sinker. If u want to fish at muara then size 4k is ok. Btw, where are u planning to fish?
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planning to fish at damai, kuching. but then again its not deep sea la. 5k is not too big ka? i still newbie bo. btw anyone tries buying jigging accesories at taobao? cheap? good quality?
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post Mar 15 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 15 2017, 10:54 AM)
cedros for bottom nobody buy under 8k la.

bottom fishing normally gear very heavy. depend on depth depend on current.

u imagine, bottom fishing, u put sinker size 12 also enough die liao. so your braid line normally 50lbs+60lbs leader. then u got multiple hook with bait. u use chop kembung fish oredi is added weight. then u got 2-3 hook mean 2-3 hook with kembong. 4000 reel where enough to line out ? fish bite how ? your drag cannot lock also, u let loose then the fish will bring your line out. sea fish very strong 1. can pull 100m or more even.

usual fishing depth is between 15-40m. imagine 15m of your line gone, then fish pull apa maciam ? not only that, nobody can gerenti u at the bottom wont latch onto things 1. the sea is filled with dead coral and all. u potong tali that time how many meter u left back in your reel ?

on average, fishing in south china sea u require at least 150m-200m worth of fishing line. coz the sea is really filled with rubbish. if u kena latch onto rubbish at bottom u potong at least u still have line. i kena b4. fishing out kena snag 2 time, straight 100m gone. my reel size 6000 from penn last time. lucky i braid with 40lbs only so i can spool in 230m of line. after that i change straight the reel to twin power 8000. beh tahan, spool in 50lbs. can get around 250m.
jigging accesory can buy from taobao. my friend use still can up fish and sotong. dont buy those bulu bulu 1 . msia fish not like bulu bulu stuff 1. metal jig still ok . shiny then good enough liao. if rod and reel pls dun. that kingcast brand really cacat like hell. they report u numbers that are not for human to believe 1.

my friend buy the baitcaster king cast, wa piang eh, same size as my scorpion xt. mahem there state drag 6kg. my scorpion baru max drag 4kg wei. 2kg drag is a lot. end up try try manaaaaaa ada 6kg. bou dai sou 1.
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okay advised noted. thumbsup.gif i will try to use this current budget for jigging. bottom i wil use heavy duty one lo. ugly tiger and drum. but this bottom 1 i can do it later la. tight budget . i see how it goes for my first trip first.
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post Mar 15 2017, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(upcars @ Mar 15 2017, 01:24 PM)
concentrate on 1 first. jigging is jigging. bottom is bottom.

jigging boat is always drifting. botttom boat is anchored down.

u cannot do 2. u got no time to do 2. only heroes do 2 together. when they intend to jig more than bottom, their bottom rods all super heavy gear and sink to 2-3m above seabed. that way when boat is drifting u less chance snag into anything. their heavy gear all also is super strong to enable the fish to tire and wear out themself while they have time to pull up the jig and run to heavy gear to pull up.

trust me dun hero. even i also dun dare hero. the worst thing when on boat is trying to fix chau bihun. when bottom not fully sink, mean your leader to hook is float according to where current bring u. if u leader 3-4m , then is 3-4m radius. so u jig within the 3-4m radius u sure ham 7 . straight big chance to chau bihun then u spend 1-2 hour to remove the bihun instead of catching fish.

u can do both, provided u got many space. if u on board tuna 3 those expert level boat, if whole boat jig, u jig. if whole boat bottom, u bottom. no 1/2 1/2 type geh. if anyone apollo or what, u will kena tiau from 7-8 ppl on board.
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nod.gif so i ask my fren whether the trip is jigging or bottom trip first. then i decide lo. i no hero also. just beginner try sea fishing sweat.gif bihun sucksh ahah
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