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post Aug 5 2018, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Aug 5 2018, 05:14 PM)
hello everyone,

Just would like to have everyone's point of view in regards to JMB /MC.
I am a committee member of my residential. at the moment, the billings, payment all done manually,i.e. via excell and manual account book. previous management was very bad, the account book wasnt updated since 2015.
Since new management take over, we manage to update the record to the current one.

Recently we had an AGM and majority are agreed to impose late payment interest fees as well as sinking fund.  Knowing accounting is no longer straight forward, we thought of to use proper / simple accounting software to make our clerk life easier.

Would you please suggest what is the affordable accounting software available in the market for low rise apartment.

We cant afford fancy /canggih accounting software, our residents are only 200 pax only. Preferably those with only one time payment. The software no need to be online / cloud based solution.

Please help to suggest.

Thanks.
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Pro and cons.

Online based will charge monthly but at few hundreds. Your data is safe in cloud. Any tampering will leave logs and footprints. Requires internet all the time.

Your own accounting software will cost few thousands. Of course cheaper than online on the long run. Not safe proof. Must be backed up all the time.
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post Aug 5 2018, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(sailou @ Aug 5 2018, 05:21 PM)
Pro and cons.

Online based will charge monthly but at few hundreds. Your data is safe in cloud. Any tampering will leave logs and footprints. Requires internet all the time.

Your own accounting software will cost few thousands. Of course cheaper than online on the long run. Not safe proof. Must be backed up all the time.
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do u have any recommendation for both online and offline solution?

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post Aug 9 2018, 09:55 AM

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dont get urself confused with JMB JMC and MC

totally different function!
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post Aug 9 2018, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Aug 5 2018, 05:14 PM)
hello everyone,

Just would like to have everyone's point of view in regards to JMB /MC.
I am a committee member of my residential. at the moment, the billings, payment all done manually,i.e. via excell and manual account book. previous management was very bad, the account book wasnt updated since 2015.
Since new management take over, we manage to update the record to the current one.

Recently we had an AGM and majority are agreed to impose late payment interest fees as well as sinking fund.  Knowing accounting is no longer straight forward, we thought of to use proper / simple accounting software to make our clerk life easier.

Would you please suggest what is the affordable accounting software available in the market for low rise apartment.

We cant afford fancy /canggih accounting software, our residents are only 200 pax only. Preferably those with only one time payment. The software no need to be online / cloud based solution.

Please help to suggest.

Thanks.
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sounds like you all doing Managegement Office function...means u dont have 3rd party doing it....if you do then ask them...they know a few types of software...ie ubs or css...if not mistaken

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post Aug 9 2018, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(rupart @ Aug 9 2018, 02:11 PM)
sounds like you all doing Managegement Office function...means u dont have 3rd party doing it....if you do then ask them...they know a few types of software...ie ubs or css...if not mistaken
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Correct. Third party fees aka agent is expensive. We don't want to burden the residents with their fees. Somemore our money is not enough. Having own kerani, cleaners, maintenance guys is enough to run small residential like us. But the headache is on us. We are not full timer hence need good software to manage jmb accounts.
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post Aug 10 2018, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Aug 5 2018, 05:23 PM)
do u have any recommendation  for both online and offline solution?
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I only heard of UBS for building management software. Personally have experience with CSS online based accounting.

I heard there are plenty of other online based software. Some are promoted as free because they just enter the market. Not sure how relevant or how reliable.
I am not in position to recommend.

Weigh in your pros and cons before you decide.
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That's why those projects with shit tons of facilities are actually a BAD idea.

You know you are not going to use those facilities but they still need to maintain nevertheless.


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post Aug 10 2018, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(JasonLeeX @ Aug 10 2018, 07:51 PM)
That's why those projects with shit tons of facilities are actually a BAD idea.

You know you are not going to use those facilities but they still need to maintain nevertheless.
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What you said is completely true especially those condos with a lot of water features. The more facilities the harder it is to maintain.
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post Sep 7 2018, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(sailou @ Aug 10 2018, 03:23 PM)
I only heard of UBS for building management software. Personally have experience with CSS online based accounting.

I heard there are plenty of other online based software. Some are promoted as free because they just enter the market. Not sure how relevant or how reliable.
I am not in position to recommend.

Weigh in your pros and cons before you decide.
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yes better get a 3rd party accounting eg CSS ..it is safer and provide check and balance.
u just need a account clerks to input the data eg invoice, payments etc. system will generate reports

https://www.cssdecisions.com/product10.html

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post Sep 23 2018, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Aug 9 2018, 03:02 PM)
Correct. Third party fees aka agent is expensive. We don't want to burden the residents with their fees. Somemore our money is not enough. Having own kerani, cleaners, maintenance guys is enough to run small residential like us. But the headache is on us. We are not full timer hence need good software to manage jmb accounts.
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it is important to get a proper software to get things done properly. This is especially since u have spent so much time to correct it first place. The system need to be in place for any subsequent appointment will not mess it up. thus, UBS BSM should be consider.

Putting office paper work in system help to avoid any human errors. Do explore on that line. This cost is unavoidable as it will help in the long run. Please check your current owner list being update or not? Pls PM me if you need any info
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QUOTE(ace77 @ Sep 23 2018, 03:59 PM)
it is important to get a proper software to get things done properly. This is especially since u have spent so much time to correct it first place. The system need to be in place for any subsequent appointment will not mess it up. thus, UBS BSM should be consider. 

Putting office paper work in system help to avoid any human errors. Do explore on that line. This cost is unavoidable as it will help in the long run.  Please check your current owner list being update or not? Pls PM me if you need any info
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Oh we actually had found a good software (cloud base solution) with very reasonable price. JMB has decided to use the software and now is in the progress to migrate data.
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post Oct 5 2018, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(mt24 @ Sep 23 2018, 08:41 PM)
Oh we actually had found a good software (cloud base solution) with very reasonable price. JMB has decided to use the software and now is in the progress to migrate data.
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mind to share the name?
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QUOTE(mt24 @ Sep 23 2018, 08:41 PM)
Oh we actually had found a good software (cloud base solution) with very reasonable price. JMB has decided to use the software and now is in the progress to migrate data.
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yeah bro.. mind to share the software and the pricing? i might need to consider one to manage account of JMB with similar like yours.
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My condo decided to held the General annual meeting is a place which not covienience to us. can we suggest to help it near to the condo?
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post Oct 16 2018, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(ahboon76 @ Oct 16 2018, 09:59 AM)
My condo decided to held the General annual meeting is a place which not covienience to us. can we suggest to help it near to the condo?
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You can suggest, preferably request in group.

Still, ultimate decision is up to the existing committee.

Normally, what I knew most AGM are conducted within condo area/meeting room.
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post Oct 16 2018, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 16 2018, 10:25 AM)
You can suggest, preferably request in group.

Still, ultimate decision is up to the existing committee.

Normally, what I knew most AGM are conducted within condo area/meeting room.
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post Oct 16 2018, 01:50 PM

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may i know any conflict of interest of 4 of 7 comminitee was developer staff.
they appoint developer building manager as jmb chairman also.
during first AGM, no people know they are developer staff even introduce them self also no mention. they have take over jmb for first year DLP, after first year they all resign and leaving, many building defect no handle now and account very messy.
maintenance fees increase 10% to clean up their shit work now.
can sue them to COB?
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post Oct 16 2018, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(LTG @ Oct 16 2018, 01:50 PM)
may i know any conflict of interest of 4 of 7 comminitee was developer staff.
they appoint developer building manager as jmb chairman also.
during first AGM, no people know they are developer staff even introduce them self also no mention. they have take over jmb for first year DLP, after first year they all resign and leaving, many building defect no handle now and account very messy.
maintenance fees increase 10% to clean up their shit work now.
can sue them to COB?
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As long as the committee were appointed based on the strata title act, and committee do not have any breach of trust, then it is nothing wrong.

Even the committee member comes from developer, there is no reason why they want to jeopardise the JMB, a poorly managed JMB that result a poor environment for the building may ruin the developer image for the future.
Instead a well run JMB in fact may boost the developer image, and can attract more people to buy its future launching properties which result people willing to pay a premium for its property.

If the committee members are not up to task, then just call an EGM and vote them out, owner can form their own "group" of people to manage.



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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 16 2018, 02:45 PM)
As long as the committee were appointed based on the strata title act, and committee do not have any breach of trust, then it is nothing wrong.

Even the committee member comes from developer, there is no reason why they want to jeopardise the JMB, a poorly managed JMB that result a poor environment for the building may ruin the developer image for the future.
Instead a well run JMB in fact may boost the developer image, and can attract more people to buy its future launching properties which result people willing to pay a premium for its property.

If the committee members are not up to task, then just call an EGM and vote them out, owner can form their own "group" of people to manage.
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Thanks, we just fooling by developer and we cant do any thing.

great job OXK
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post Oct 16 2018, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(LTG @ Oct 16 2018, 03:03 PM)
Thanks, we just fooling by developer and we cant do any thing.

great job OXK
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Based on SMA 2013 - developer can only have one representative in the JMB REGARDLESS of number of units in hand...

To be sure just call up COB and get confirmation ..

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