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joshuawhlam
post Jun 7 2016, 10:22 PM

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I feel that law is weak in Malaysia. After two months, the respond from the JMC and property management are,

a) Owner's Enquiry: Abuse EGM outcome to increase maintenance fee only for 4 month probationary.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h), the JMB shall do all things reasonably. Then, incensement has been extended.

b) Owner's Enquiry: Allow disqualified member to be candidate and elected as committee due to 'floor support'.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Have sent the minutes to Commissioner of Oath (COO) and Commissioner of Buildings (COB) and they have made no further comment.

c) Enquiry: Disallow proxy to vote, which proxy can vote according to act.
No respond at all.

The current JMB and big name property management misinterpret that "JMB shall do all things reasonably" according to Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h) to ignore everything. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Jun 7 2016, 10:22 PM)
I feel that law is weak in Malaysia. After two months, the respond from the JMC and property management are,

a) Owner's Enquiry: Abuse EGM outcome to increase maintenance fee only for 4 month probationary.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h), the JMB shall do all things reasonably. Then, incensement has been extended.

b) Owner's Enquiry: Allow disqualified member to be candidate and elected as committee due to 'floor support'.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Have sent the minutes to Commissioner of Oath (COO) and Commissioner of Buildings (COB) and they have made no further comment.

c) Enquiry: Disallow proxy to vote, which proxy can vote according to act.
No respond at all. 

The current JMB and big name property management misinterpret that "JMB shall do all things reasonably" according to Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h) to ignore everything.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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the law is not weak in Malaysia, it's the enforcement that is weak.



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post Aug 15 2016, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(joshuawhlam @ Jun 7 2016, 10:22 PM)
I feel that law is weak in Malaysia. After two months, the respond from the JMC and property management are,

a) Owner's Enquiry: Abuse EGM outcome to increase maintenance fee only for 4 month probationary.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h), the JMB shall do all things reasonably. Then, incensement has been extended.

b) Owner's Enquiry: Allow disqualified member to be candidate and elected as committee due to 'floor support'.
JMB and PMA Respond: Admitted. Have sent the minutes to Commissioner of Oath (COO) and Commissioner of Buildings (COB) and they have made no further comment.

c) Enquiry: Disallow proxy to vote, which proxy can vote according to act.
No respond at all. 

The current JMB and big name property management misinterpret that "JMB shall do all things reasonably" according to Strata Management Act 2013 (Act 757), Section 21 (2) (h) to ignore everything.  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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Judging from what said,
a)bring the JMC to tribunal on the matters of extension of period of the increasement without prior voting.

b) send in a official enquiry to COB for their Official answers.

c) get the evidences and ask the COB to disband this JMC and request a new EGM to elect new JMC member.

my advice prepare yourself for the next AGM, such as make a recording of the AGM, or get the others owner together to vote for u or some1 u prefer. If u intent to "fight" them, its easier to become 1 of the committee at least.
kiddyinvestor
post Mar 13 2017, 04:52 PM

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Anyone can recommend good Management Company to manage Condo? What about security guard firm? Care to recommend?
vandechrome
post Mar 13 2017, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(kiddyinvestor @ Mar 13 2017, 04:52 PM)
Anyone can recommend good Management Company to manage Condo? What about security guard firm? Care to recommend?
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for which area?
aerokhart
post Mar 14 2017, 10:19 AM

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would like to ask regarding JMB enforcement on house rule,

we have several house rule which owner tends to ignore or violate : e.g wearing full cloth swimming/littering everywhere/consume alcohol at pool.Current management choose to do verbal warning to these offender only and no further action. When question management for impose fine, Management hesistate as it's not in the house rule to impose fine.

Can JMB enforce fine/penalty on these offender after multiple warning been given out? seems like management office indicated that we are not suppose to issue fine to owner.
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post Mar 15 2017, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(aerokhart @ Mar 14 2017, 10:19 AM)
would like to ask regarding JMB enforcement on house rule,

we have several house rule which owner tends to ignore or violate : e.g wearing full cloth swimming/littering everywhere/consume alcohol at pool.Current management choose to do verbal warning to these offender only and no further action. When question management for impose fine, Management hesistate as it's not in the house rule to impose fine.

Can JMB enforce fine/penalty on these offender after multiple warning been given out? seems like management office indicated that we are not suppose to issue fine to owner.
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yes u can change the house rules at EGM, AGM.
pass the resolutions to fine offence that most residents want to impose.
fine up to rm200.
kiddyinvestor
post Mar 15 2017, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(vandechrome @ Mar 13 2017, 04:56 PM)
for which area?
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lucerne
post Mar 15 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 15 2017, 12:09 AM)
yes u can change the house rules at EGM, AGM.
pass the resolutions to fine offence that most residents want to impose.
fine up to rm200.
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please take note u cant add additional by law which contravenes to federal law eg reject certain tenant by nationality, discriminate, imposed higher penalty/fine vs federal law, contravene to contract law eg limit tenants to use facilities , impose higher fee for tenants vs live in owners etc. as owners has transfer their full rights to tenants
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post Mar 15 2017, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(kiddyinvestor @ Mar 15 2017, 09:23 AM)
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So what sort of problem that you require a change of management company?

Management company are more or less the same unless you are willing to fork out higher price for better quality.

Otherwise, you will need a set of extremely committed management committee.



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post Mar 16 2017, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 15 2017, 06:40 PM)
please take note u cant add additional by law which contravenes to federal law eg reject certain tenant by nationality, discriminate,  imposed higher penalty/fine vs federal law, contravene to contract law eg limit tenants to use facilities , impose higher fee for tenants vs live in owners etc. as owners has transfer their full rights to tenants
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Yes our intention to applies fine to all owner/tenant on the same level, I believe that all this fine will be consider as non compliance fine, If owner/tenant refuse to honor the fine what would be the next step.



kiddyinvestor
post Mar 27 2017, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(lucerne @ Mar 15 2017, 06:40 PM)
please take note u cant add additional by law which contravenes to federal law eg reject certain tenant by nationality, discriminate,  imposed higher penalty/fine vs federal law, contravene to contract law eg limit tenants to use facilities , impose higher fee for tenants vs live in owners etc. as owners has transfer their full rights to tenants
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Impose higher fee? eh.....i thought under Strata Management Act, you are not suppose to simply impose higher fee though...is all based on unit size to calculate maintenance fees..?
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post Mar 27 2017, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(kiddyinvestor @ Mar 27 2017, 10:29 AM)
Impose higher fee? eh.....i thought under Strata Management Act, you are not suppose to simply impose higher fee though...is all based on unit size to calculate maintenance fees..?
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i mean fee eg resident cards, access cards, extra fee to use common facilities etc
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post Apr 17 2017, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(kiddyinvestor @ Mar 13 2017, 04:52 PM)
Anyone can recommend good Management Company to manage Condo? What about security guard firm? Care to recommend?
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still need help? we have just done ours....i am in MC...really a lot of work...r u in mc?

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post Apr 17 2017, 04:51 PM

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about changing Mgt company aka property mgmt co or Security or anyone.....first of all....outline scope of work...list down what you want your service provider do for your condo (remember, every condo is unique and has its challenges to solve)..

based on that, see which providers interested...remember....based on sow the price may vary...so u have to nego whether u want to drop scope or increase price or if very good then win them to do the work for you free with ur sweet talk (its called relationship)....never ever think or take granted of service providers....example...cleaners will not do gardening...or landscaper do cleaner work...so dont be pushy or giving extra work all the time...it will demotivate them..

another point to note...nowdays security guards prefer air cond control room(for comfort and motivation....none of u working under fan anymore rite? so ac now is std and be considerate...u will hv challenge to get good guards in ur condo without nice room

hope that helps

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tgwkt
post Sep 25 2017, 01:29 PM

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Hi guys, during first AGM, the developer and management company showed the accounting figures and there is a huge sum of deficit.

Question is, should the JMB still be formed with the deficit floating around? Once JMB is formed the the deficit is now responsibility of the committee?
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QUOTE(tgwkt @ Sep 25 2017, 01:29 PM)
Hi guys, during first AGM, the developer and management company showed the accounting figures and there is a huge sum of deficit.

Question is, should the JMB still be formed with the deficit floating around? Once JMB is formed the the deficit is now responsibility of the committee?
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Is that audited and apprpved acc?

If JMB take over then u puruse the deficit(if it can be clawed back) or ignore and move on...obviously both will fire u back by residents
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post Nov 6 2017, 01:01 PM

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not sure this is the correct place to ask...

Question:
why there's a condo policy saying that renovation can be only done in between Management operation hour?
Monday- Friday 8.30am till 5.00pm
Saturday 8.30-1pm
Sunday Off


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post Nov 6 2017, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(ZzZzz... @ Nov 6 2017, 01:01 PM)
not sure this is the correct place to ask...

Question:
why there's a condo policy saying that renovation can be only done in between Management operation hour?
Monday- Friday 8.30am till 5.00pm
Saturday 8.30-1pm
Sunday Off
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This falls under the house rules which is set by every different condo. Hence, different condo may have different renovation hours.

This is to ensure residents will have a peace of mind when they come home from work.
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QUOTE(sailou @ Nov 6 2017, 01:37 PM)
This falls under the house rules which is set by every different condo. Hence, different condo may have different renovation hours.

This is to ensure residents will have a peace of mind when they come home from work.
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i see.....but does setting up Internet consider part of renovation?
im seems to have trouble doing so..

p/s, first time staying in condo

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