QUOTE(paskal @ Jun 27 2014, 07:10 PM)
frankly it's not for him.
there are others which believe that loudspeakers could substitute the need for a sub. or the use of multiple loudspeakers with large drivers will affectively take over the role of a sub in their system.
for stereo listening it won't matter much. because 80db is plenty loud. but for movie playback is a different game.
and even if the loudspeakers is indeed capable of low frequency playback and have no problem reaching 20hz at 120db, there will be issues regarding the timing and overlapping of bass frequencies that will play havoc to the room.

i've pursued this issue previously and my finding is in line with the result from harman.
it's explored quite a bit in their
Subwoofers: Optimum Number
and Locations
by
Todd Welti
Research Acoustician,
Harman International Industries, Inc.
'He' finds it most amusing and intriguing to have 2 very senior hi-fi enthusiasts discussing about "him". To be honest, he was beginning to 'see the light' and was almost persuaded to go out and buy a reasonably priced sub as soon as possible after reading the solid sounding & unbiased comments. Unlike 'frequency responses' etc, the human mind is a very complex organ with a wide ranging and inter-related inputs coupled with an equally bizarre array of output options and responses that totally disregards the 'truth' and facts and selectively favors the alternative path and hence continue to remain in the 'dark'. In the final analysis, Paskal is right - It is not for "him" given the circumstances:-
1. He has opted for larger drivers with lower frequencies in an attempt to reproduce the lows in the system.
2. As he has amassed a lot of speakers through the years (1st speaker was Acoustic Research 18 in 1983!), he is trying to make full use of them to try to replace the need for a sub, which is active, instead of passive.
3. His interest is more in hi-fi than in home theatre, and there lies his priority. He watches movies less than he listens to hi-fi which is located in another room with a different set-up - where 'consistent frequency response' at low volumes can be reproduced for less.
4. Well, he is still 'stingy' when it comes to home theatre as a good sounding subs, even a used model, can increase the cost of the HT set up, what with HD big screen TV's and HDMI AV receivers, etc.
To conclude, He thanks you all for participation in this interesting discussion. He believes that he will be 'haunted & taunted' for a long, long time.