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Fusion
post Jul 16 2014, 12:41 PM

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Tried the atmos in Pavilion recently (how to train your dragon 2) which simulated the dragon flying over you head perfectly but the audio was out of sync with the movie although my wife couldn't really detect the sync issue. i read that the full atmos system could cater up to 64 speakers with individual channel. Do you think this could really go main stream as the data size would be huge.

The speaker in the pavilion atmos looks very familiar. suspect that they r using MK audio but cant really confirm.


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post Dec 7 2017, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(teop @ Dec 7 2017, 12:51 AM)
Hi guy. I have a RX-A3040 and currently running in 7.2.1 setup.

I'm want to add an external amp for my front to
- off load my front from the AVR
- experiment with bi-amping my front
- do a 7.4.1 setup
- second zone.

To do this I'll need at least a 4 channel amp. I'm considering the used market to keep the cost down.

My plan is to first run my front on the external amp. This will allow me to do 7.4.1 setup. I'll see if there is an overall improvement in system performance in 7.2.1 setup. After that I'll experiment with bi-amping. If there is improvement then I'll leave it at that and the second zone might be served by BT3 later or when the front amp/speakers is upgraded. I can also NOT do bi-amp and use the extra channel for second zone if the need arise.

To sum the possible layout:
- external bi-amp front
- 7.4.1 setup
- 2nd zone later (BT3 maybe or when upgrade front speaker/amp)

or

- external amp front
- 7.4.1 setup
- external amp second zone

Most amp out there (I know of and within reach) will only do 2 channel, while they do A+B most are not bi-amp but bi-wire. I say this because if using A only min. 4 ohm, but A+B is min. 8ohm. And all my speakers are 6 ohm.

After looking around I have 2 possible options:
A pair of Kenwood KM-X1000 listed at RM2500
or
ADCOM GFA-6000 + GTP-600 listed at RM1588
or
Emotiva BasX-A300 (but where's the fun in experimenting?)

My question is will these amps allow me to do the above?
Are they at least as powerful and as clean as my RX-A3040?

With the KM-X1000 I should have enough power. Being separate amps, I have better redundacy if one goes down.

With the GFA-6000 I'm thinking to drive my HF using the 2 rear 60w(8ohm)-100w(4ohm) channel and the LF using the 2x100w(8ohm)-150w(4ohm) front channels.
As a bonus I could even drive my center using the 3rd front channel.
The pre-amp will probably be useful when I setup second zone.

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My speakers are as below:
Front Yamaha NS-F160, Nominal/Max 50W/300W, 30Hz-36kHZ (-10dB), 87dB/2.83V/1m
Center Yamaha NS-C160, Nominal/Max 30W/80W, 60Hz-38kHZ (-10dB), 86dB/2.83V/1m
Front Height Yamaha NS-B160, Nominal/Max 30W/80W, 60Hz-38kHZ (-10dB), 82dB/2.83V/1m
Surround Back, Yamaha NS-B330, Nominal/Max 40W/120W, 55Hz-45kHZ (-10dB), 87dB/2.83V/1m
Surround Side, ELAC Debut B6, Nominal/Max ?W/120W, 44Hz-20kHZ (?dB), 87dB/2.83V/1m
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if you plan to do 7.1.4 channel (4ch Atmos), your amp will not be able to handle zone 2 or zone 3 anymore even with external power amp. my initial plan was to do the same thing with my RX-a3060 but it was not able to do it as the processor is only able to handle 11 channel maximum. I wrote to Yamaha to verify this as well.

if you wish to spend money on an external power amp, just go with a 2 channel power amp (9+2 channel) with anything below 150W. Bi-Amp would not make much of a difference in your system as the limiting factor is your front speaker. Just get a simple 2 channel power amp to run 11 channel and save the money to upgrade your speaker instead. in terms of sound quality, i would rate your Elac Debut B6 above the NS-F160.

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post Jan 2 2018, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(teop @ Dec 31 2017, 02:25 AM)
I have been busy optimizing my system after adding an external amp, moving to 7.1.4 setup. I'm so glad that I got myself a multi-channel amp as this have opened up my setup and listening options greatly.

So with some time today I decided to visit my multi-zone options. Here's what I found out.

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I have always wondered why there is a picture of a zone in the amp assign but without then speaker icon in it. If you try to read the manual, you might get confused as I did.

Basically what the setup page is saying for 9ch+FRONT is
- 9 channels is being driven by the amp
- C, SL, SR, SBL, SBR (5ch) driven by fixed amp channels (denoted by speakers without color outline)
- FPL, FPR, RPL, RPR (4ch) driven by assignable amp channels EXTRA SP1 and EXTRA SP2 (denoted by green and orange outline)
- +FRONT (2ch) is being driven by external amp (denoted by red outline)

So far so good. But what is the Zone2 picture doing there? No speakers? But why? That's because IT IS for the zone pre-outs. In this case it is for Zone2.

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At the back panel, you'll see 2 pairs of RCA labeled ZONE OUT/PRE OUT, one pair for ZONE2/F.PRESENCE and the other ZONE3/R.PRESENCE.

Now when you have a power amp assign where the zone graphic(s) in the setup shows a zone WITHOUT speakers, this means that pre-out is active for its use.

This means I keep all the 11 speakers and 2 zone pre -outs connected (and their respective speakers) connected. I can use 11 main channels and 1 zone simultaneusly or choose Basic/7ch+FRONT+1ZONE assignment (sacrifice R.PRNS) and have 9 main channels and 2 zones simultaneusly. If you want ATMOS, Basic would be better since you'll lose SB instead of RP.

I hope with this understanding, it will be much easier to setup the amp compared to reading the freaking manual that forces you to jump all over several sections with cryptic footnotes to boot.
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Nice but try to test it out. As i know, you can't use 11 channel output (7.1.4) and zone 2 simultaneously. if you are using 7.1.4 with R.P and S.P used up, the pre-out of Zone 2 will have the same sound as the F.P while Zone 3 will have the same sound as R.P.

if you change the configuration to 7ch+FRONT+1ZONE on the amp, you can enable zone 2 (pre-out) but from another forum, one of the member said that the FP speaker will also have sound.

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post Jan 2 2018, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(teop @ Jan 2 2018, 02:59 PM)
Yes I have tested it and it works for me. biggrin.gif. I'm using 9ch+FRONT. Zone2 by pre-out.
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shocking.gif shocking.gif ...your configuration is actually quite different from RX-A3060.

my amp does not have 9ch+front. it only allows Zone 2 if i use 7.1.2 but not in 7.1.4 mode.

anyway, the power amp assign system is quite confusing. according to their manual, i am only able to do external power amp for Front OR [FP + RP] only.

there is no configuration that allows me to use external power amp for all 7 channel and internal amp for FP + RP.

i gave up and didn't bother to set the power amp assignment. i just pre-out all 7ch and ran the YPAO. the YPAO settled all the channel assignment for me.


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post May 2 2018, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(doggmeister @ Apr 24 2018, 12:51 PM)
hi yes please maybe can go to 5k max if that helps? my priority is quality over latest technology, i would prefer the best of breed of surround sound minus the new stuff like dolby atmos
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if you are looking for decent entry level home theater system, you can't really go wrong with Klipsch or Q Acoustics speakers.

you can get a complete set with amp (onkyo or yamaha) for about RM7K.
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post Nov 27 2018, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(dex-brz @ Nov 27 2018, 09:36 AM)
Hi guys

I'm planning to get a midrange HT with a 5k budget

Any good shops to demo a HT system? Or any recommended speaker systems?

Thx
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RM5k for speakers and amp?

if it is only for speaker, you can try out starke 5.1 speaker. its going for RM5999 which i think is a good buy. it looks really good.
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post Dec 3 2018, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(stretch @ Dec 2 2018, 09:40 PM)
Guys, quick question on speaker and amp compatibility.

Let say i have  LCR speaker- 6ohm 40w-160w and surround speaker 6ohm 30w-120w.

And i want to  upgrade to a RX-A3060 yamaha which specs says Dynamic power/Ch(Front L/R, 8/6/4/2 ohms) = 175/220/295/410w.

Is it advisable to use the same speaker, as power is almost the maximum speaker can handle? or am i reading this wrong? i am still learning a bit. appreciate any sifus guide...
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dont worrry about it. it is safe because when an amp is rated at 200w per channel, doesnt mean that it will output 200w constantly.

you may only get max 200w when there is a sudden burst of loud sound from the movie. even so, it will not damage the speaker as these are very short burst of just few millisecond.

it is more worrying if the amp is underpower as this will cause clipping to the amp. when an amp is operating near clipping output, distortion will be exponential and these distortion will damage your speaker.
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post Dec 3 2018, 04:05 PM

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most of the good speakers do not write the rated power but instead will write the sensitivity of the speaker.

the lower the sensitivity (example:86dB and below) the harder it is to drive the speaker and will require lots of power to play it loud. a rough estimate: you will need to double the power from 50W to 100W just to increase the loudness by additional 3dB.

so if you have a speaker which is about sensitivity of 85dB, you will probably need about 200W to play it well but if you have a speaker that is about 91dB, a good 50W will be sufficient.


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post Dec 19 2018, 10:37 AM

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4 would be the best but make sure your AV amp is able to handle 4 atmos speaker.

most AV amp comes in 7, 9, 11 channel configuration therefore you would need to know if the AV amp is able to accommodate 4 atmos speaker. Some 9ch AV amp is able to process 11 channel but you would need to add 2ch power amp to run full 11 speaker.

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post May 7 2019, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(macjacko @ May 7 2019, 11:18 AM)
Hi guys, last year I purchased a Yamaha YPS 1600 soundbar. I'm very happy with it so far but I want to make some upgrades. Below are my ideas:-

1. Would like to add rear speakers. (What speakers would you recommend which is good and affordable rather than the Yamaha Musiccast 20?
2. What subwoofer should I use?
3. How can I achieve a Dolby Atmos setup?
4. What will be the best configuration for the entire setup?

Appreciate your feedback on this. Thanks, guys.
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hi,

1. for surround, the Musiccast 20 is the only way to add back speaker as the soundbar does not support audio output. the musicast is a propriety system therefore you cant use any bluetooth or wireless speaker as your back speaker.

2. you can use any subwoofer as the soundbar has a dedicated subwoofer output. if your budget permits, you can even add a very high end sub from SVS or JL audio. it all depends on your budget.

3. Atmos is not possible as the soundbar does not support Atmos processing.

4. the highest you can achieve is to add Musicast 20 (RM1900x2) and dedicated subwoofer (RM2k) but with that price, you could get a dedicated AV amp and Q acoustics 5.1 speaker.


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post May 14 2019, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(macjacko @ May 9 2019, 07:31 PM)
Thanks man. Can u explain further on point 4 option that you suggested?
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assuming that you get the musicast 20 + Sub, it will cost you about RM5k+. even with this, you would not be getting a good full surround as the front left, center, right is being emulated by the soundbar.

you can get a full 5.1 Q acoustic speakers for about rm5k and a dedicated AV amp for about rm1.7. this will be much better than adding Musicast 20 + sub.
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post Jul 29 2019, 10:57 AM

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HDD does not affect the quality of playback but if you looking for reliability, as Sonerin said, Hitachi (under WD now) hdd is the best available. Hitachi has rebranded their HDD product under this brand call HGST.
if you still insist on Western Digital, go for the Gold series. the Gold series are reband HDD of HGST and they use the Helium drive series.
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post Aug 2 2019, 11:56 AM

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you can ....i am using this in my house. i prefer this to NAS so that i can remove the hdd anytime.

but it also depends on the media player that you will be using. i am using egreat and it is able to detect 6tb x 3 + 8tb x 1.

 

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