picanto ah?
long story short

1. no power
2. fuel guzzler
3. cramp
4. ugly
5. no resale value
6. spare parts an issue
7. safety aspect better than kancil/kelisa/kenari/viva....about same as alza/myvi

latest one.....i dunno didn't really think much of it....always safer choice to go wif japs.

high mileage.

not worth it.
why not consider sylphy?

Both are about the same in terms of reliability, maintenance cost and fuel consumption.
Viva is newer thus have better safety features, however I'd not advise these cars on interstate highways as they're not THATTTTT safe.
y u insist like he force u buy?
2013 Toyota Altis 1.8 - I think with your budget you should look for something better, I'm guessing you stated Luxury specs you're looking for either Sylphy or Teana but from what I know those two before facelift have a gearbox issue (it overheats and fails if driven too hard all the time) so unless you drive like an uncle turtle I suggest you skip it and look for something from Toyota with your budget like this Altis. Bullet proof engine/gearbox, cheap to maintain but it is quite boring. That is about the only negative thing about the car, plus don't worry about resale value as Toyota's hold their value pretty good but since it is a used car it won't drop so much so drastically from here on out.

2010 Suzuki Kizashi 2.4 Sport - if you're looking for something more luxurious and sporty plus you're able to stretch your budget abit more then why not consider this car. It is a full spec D-segment car, it is quite rare on our roads so you'll enjoy some exclusivity and rarity as people think it is still a new model -- however that also means parts availability is limited (of course Suzuki 3s has no problems obtaining parts for you but it will be pricey) of course a Camry and Accord can be had around that price and maintenance would be cheaper but they're common and boring. The choice is yours. In terms of spec and performance it is darn good.
2010 Subaru Impreza STI - for this particular model the STI spec is only available with a 2500cc engine, there is an option for manual or automatic. If you're not going for the manuals then I guess you should skip Subaru's because this model uses a slushbox automatic gearbox which is quite reliable, however gear changes aren't smooth and laggy. The latest model uses CVT which helps with the smoothness but I don't consider either gearboxes a good match for a turbo car especially when you're going to drive it hard like it how the engine wants you to. I'm more inclined to manuals or wet DCT for turbo's. However, if you like this model thats your choice. This particular model is the Version 10, the latest is Version 11. Version 10 sedan's aren't too common in Malaysia so getting one isn't an issue as it still looks fresh. Maintenance/Parts wise isn't a big issue as the EJ series engine hasn't changed much over the last few versions -- obtaining parts isn't an issue however do prepare for the price of the parts they're in D-segment territory at minimum.

2012 Mitsubishi Evo X - Evo's are legends here so don't expect them to be cheap to buy, this one cost over RM200k, however if you're okay with used then something like this would cost you much less around RM125k. Evo X comes with an SST gearbox which is Mitsubishi's version of a DCT, it is quite good and maintained properly it is bullet proof. However, don't expect DCT gearbox oil to be cheap -- I haven't checked the local prices yet but just for estimation sake THIS website is selling the Mitsubishi Diaqueen SSTF for USD141 per 4L jug. Maintenance wise although this here is in the same stratosphere in terms of service and parts cost, because some stuff can be borrowed from Lancer/Inspira so some things can be cheap but overall Evo specific stuff ain't cheap, but sometimes can be 10-20% cheaper than Impreza parts. However, for budgeting sake you should always budget more just in case. One of the bad parts about owning an Evo is jealousy or idiots will say you're driving a modified Proton Inspira   

Here are some tips on how to save money in the long term.


2011 VW Golf GTI - this might be on the "budget" side because it is cheaper to buy, it is turbo and it uses a DCT. I would say if turbo performance paired to a good gearbox is the main criteria then this should be the one to buy. Maintenance wise they're quite similar across the board but GTI being quite popular on our roads so you might be able to score cheaper parts if you get the contacts from the car club after you've joined. In terms of space it is probably the smallest among the three but unless you've gotta pretend to be a family man then it should be fine if you don't need to carry baby stuff like strollers, etc. Only problem is maybe it is too common so you might not get the street cred you're seeking.

Facelift


Pre-facelif


As another forummer mentioned pre-facelift models lack a gearbox cooler, you can retrofit one but it doesn't solve the problem 100% just reduces the chance of it failing. However, because of this Sylphy & Teana depreciated like a rock so if you're looking for a C/D-segment car on the cheap with luxury interior they are usually a good bet -- however you've gotta drive like a turtle which I think is not the way most Johorians drive 

1. No, they won't bother to do such things. You will have to rely on yourself or your trusted mechanic for this. If you currently have a car and have been sending it to repair/service at some workshop, try befriending him for his help on this. You can tell him you're buying a used car so of course later on it is surely going to be serviced at his shop which is an incentive for him to help -- and of course help you avoid a lemon coz he dun wannabe fixing something all the time. (unless he wanna cheat u)

2. This test is for Honda's not sure it can help you on Nissan's or not.

3. No warranty extension exist for used cars, except maybe you buying from reputable/expensive dealers tied to the brand like Topmark (Toyota) and MUV (Nissan). You can see cars listed on MUV here and although they have other brands you can usually get some ex-demo/showroom cars from Nissan and waranty extension and stuff usually for Nissan only.
2013 Proton Inspira 2.0 - I know it might be a badge that everyone hates but for this model Proton did little wrong, iinm Inspira is nothing more than a rebadge Mitsubishi Lancer from CKD packs then Proton change the logo's. I think they changed the absorbers and springs for the Lotus handling bit which is why it is more expensive to replace but hey if you don't need that you can always swap back in Mitsubishi parts and it will still work. Maintenance wise no issues as there is a plethora of parts from both Proton/Mitsubishi/OEM so it is as cheap to maintain now and in the future as other Japanese makes like Toyota/Honda/Nissan. Performance/Safety/Spacious cabin & boot are all given, so the only thing is the negative perception of it being a Proton.
Almera and Vios with discounts is achievable with your budget.
What do you think?
I think Latio has depreciated enough that it will not depreciate so drastically anymore.
I did a calculation once of car depreciation, with the exception of hot models, e.g. Proton Satria GTI or Honda Civic EK. All cars depreciate to about the same level over 10 years.

I think you should skip Honda City as the previous two models although have it's benefits I think wouldn't be too good for your case. The 4gen (2002-2008) is a great car with a good engine and gearbox, powerful and fuel saving but they're kind of old now and being a CVT gearbox there is a higher chance it wasn't maintained properly thus could be problematic. The 5gen (2008-2013) doesn't use a CVT gearbox, it uses a standard automatic gearbox which is more reliable but it didn't match well with the engine thus it makes for a not so fuel efficient car.

Vios would be good as they hold their value better but that also means you'll be paying more to buy one. I think the Latio is a better choice as you can a younger Latio for the same price as an older Vios.
Yes, which is why for those on a budget pinch I'll try to show them the safest car possible within their means. Sometimes physical safety feature like choosing a Wira over a Kancil because there is more space/metal between the occupant and the incoming car is still better than none when it comes to really old cars. Since Perodua has become some sort of a "Local Toyota" where people buy it without hesitation the price of Kancil would be around the same ballpark as a Wira, I'd usually persuade people to take a Wira instead. Equally cheap to maintain, of course Wira needs more engine oil since it is a bigger engine but other than that not much of a difference considering the economics in Malaysia.

I am looking for camry 2008 2009 2.0G or 2.4V in JB area. Hardly get  a used camry in 6Xk. All are around 70-80K. Some are even 8Xk.

Not sure 08 09 camry is worth that price as it was already 7-8 year-old cars.

Any suggestion?

For carlist, mudah, motor trader, the price there already 10% lower than their listing price sticker on the vehicle in showroom. Since it is very easy to do price comparison online, if they put showroom price the number of enquiry will be very few.

if the car you interested in is not of 1) very high mileage 150k-200k, 2) hidden problem, 3) bank lelong car, and it is a fairly popular model, don't expect 10-20% off from the online ads price.

tomorrow i'll bring cheque book & docs and see any luck with some of the car i'm eyeing...

So you are also looking for Camry 08 09?

I personally prefer Johor plate. You?

A lot of W plate car selling in Jb now. But the price is 10k higher than In selling in kl. argh....

I also wonder how much we can bargain from the online price. I do saw two sellers selling the same car with different price. One is selling at 59k n another 55k. Both are online price and post in the similar date.

Anyone got experience ? For example, seller gives 73k for 08 Camry 2.0G. How much should I bargain? Very confused...

contact the shop ask ask and always ask, sometimes they wrongly use the pics (means, one of the cars pics might have been accidentally uploaded wrongly), sometimes they are ar$$h@les who keep reusing the same pic then later say, ohh thats sold, we have another one (even after you already asked if it was available), pics just an example, and sometimes 2 different sales men, with dif prices (god knows why, but this has happened b4,  note that the cheaper advertised price does not necessarily end up the cheaper otr price)

personal opinion, the value of 2nd hand cars isnt fixed, really depends on, condition, how desperate owner is, and lastly how much the buyer/seller wants to let it go/take it for 

Good point. I thought only real estate agents use that tactic but it seems like even second hand car dealer also use the same tactic.

1. Only the most well connected SA can give you good discount, faster car delivery, lower interest rates, fast approval, and good used car trade-in. Because they would have negotiated the best deal for themselves so they can give it to you and still earn themselves.

2. A well connected SA will be able to help you settle many issues especially if the 3S is giving you problems on warranty claims. Usually the long serving uncles.

3. Yes.
FYI service centers and 3s don't have a centralized computer/link/shared data.
So unless the car was serviced there it wouldn't have any records.
And not everyone services at one place all the time.
Funny fact.

Around that period Civics were doing well so their RV higher than Altis.
Around that period Camry were doing well so their RV higher than Accord.

2010 Honda Accord 2.0 - usually the 2400cc variant will be more expensive but at least if 2000cc vs 2000cc you can get a newer Accord than a Camry. Also because this is the base model for the Perdana 3gen and 4gen you don't have to worry about part prices in the future coz got more options.

Go for it! then less one competitor in searching camry or altis in JB 

that means i should go to klang valley to buy used car or i should try bargain harder in jb?