I can't help but wonder if the pass rates will shoot up after they implement CBE for the F papers. I'm pretty disappointed with this move by ACCA.
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Dec 10 2013, 10:27 PM
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I can't help but wonder if the pass rates will shoot up after they implement CBE for the F papers. I'm pretty disappointed with this move by ACCA.
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Dec 11 2013, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 10 2013, 11:15 PM) Well, it would definitely increase the pass rates and all of our efforts or passing the papers by working so hard would go in vain Yeah, 4 attempts a year would produce more ACCA members in a shorter time.But 4 attempts in 1 year looks quite attractive! What I'm more concerned about is the quality of the graduates. Will this make others think lesser of ACCA members? Because I have had a few lecturers and friends who did CPA said its crap for being MCQ. QUOTE(desmond~ @ Dec 11 2013, 01:55 AM) Apparently 2015. Not too sure as yesterday was the first time I'm hearing about this.This post has been edited by nick67: Dec 11 2013, 09:57 AM |
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Dec 11 2013, 11:08 AM
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Dec 11 2013, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE(rockpoper @ Dec 11 2013, 11:18 AM) Yes. Makes more sense.Right now ACCA scans you exam answer sheets into the computer, send it to markers all over the world. It's much more easier than mailing those exam papers to your house. So the next stage now is, rather than writing it on paper and scan it into the computer, why not just do everything on the computer? No handwriting problems, no blurry scans. I assume that you need to train for typing skills and also learn how to draw tables to do your workings for this CBE questions. But if that's the case why did they mention that P1-P7 still must remain paper-based? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the P papers CBE as well because its mostly written answers? |
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Dec 11 2013, 06:43 PM
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Dec 12 2013, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE(gblastme @ Dec 12 2013, 11:26 AM) Hmm in dilemma between choosing Andrew Pang or Daniel Ho for P4 :S I went to Andrew Pang for P5. I do not like the way he handles the class. The way he present the lectures is monotonous. No student participation. Basically you just go there and sit while trying really hard to follow what he says because his voice is not clear. My friend in his P4 say he is the same way in that class as well.Anyone had experience with them ? Need suggestion badly now Thanks in advance !!! |
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Dec 13 2013, 11:10 AM
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Dec 13 2013, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Polar @ Dec 13 2013, 10:43 AM) One question... In the exam I started every question on a new age but didn't start every part on one, was too stressed and it skipped my mind.. Like part a b c etc would they penalize for that?? It's perfectly fine. Actually I do mine the way you describe. Every part on a new page seems very wasteful of paper.This post has been edited by nick67: Dec 13 2013, 11:45 AM |
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Dec 13 2013, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 13 2013, 11:13 AM) But HELP, Kasturi and so many other colleges still call it CAT!! Well, that's Malaysia for you. It should officially be announced by the Ministry of Education to change it since it really confuses many students! QUOTE(Polar @ Dec 13 2013, 11:40 AM) Ok great. Thank you! Helps my peace of mind. Mine wasn't out of a concern for paper but rather It just slipped my mind to leave some space. I see. Anyway no worries. Enjoy! |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 14 2013, 08:25 AM) haha well to be honest, If someone has studied properly. nothing is difficult! Not necessarily..I know quite a few people who studies everyday since day 1. They could answer any questions in class and finishes all the assignments and stuff, score good marks for progress tests and mock but yet they fail in the finals. Sometimes I wonder how could they ever fail. ACCA is just too unpredictable. Only can do your best and hope for the best I took F5, F6 and F8 this sitting, and guess what, I am pretty sure I am gonna nail F6 and F8. And my F5 is still in doubt I just hope I pass the papers in this sitting! |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 14 2013, 10:06 AM) Well you need to meet my teachers then. I was in schools and was known to be the best student there. Used to get A in every exam and guess what happened in my Matriculation, I got on 4 A and other 3 B. When I told that to my teachers, they were hell shocked. It is the same with ACCA. I was expecting some 80s in my F3 and I ended up with just 66. You mean classes for P2 and P3 already started? It is really about luck I would say. My last exam was on 5th December and I doing P2 and P3 from 6th and then also you hear me failing any paper, what would you feel? |
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QUOTE(mayonnaiseeeee @ Dec 15 2013, 10:12 PM) P1 Sheila from Elit. I've been under Menon for P2. Well, I didn't really like her because she was super strict and the hours could be too long for me. But, I did pass P2 under her. She really knows her stuffs and her notes are very complete. Also, being a P2 lecturer for so long I think she only missed her predictions once so far. That was the sem that Sunway's P2 pass rates dropped. Says a lot about her experience. I'd recommend her especially if you're hardworking.P3 Michael Mainwaring's Taught Course + IRC is sufficient. i studied my p1 under sheila. she was able to covered about 25 pyq (if i remember correctly. i guess more than that). cases were discussed in detail. i think that's really important. anyone doing acca would recognise the importance of getting familiar with the pyq. but i believe she has covered more than the syllabus. the only drawback as long as i'm considered. so her notes is thick but after all well organised. she's helpful and very kind. as for p3, i did mine with parminder. honestly not to my liking. but it really depends. lots of them said he's good and that's also why i picked him. he never discuss pyq. his notes is unorganised. messy. and also, okay, this is my feeling. for me he tends to beat around the bush with everything. i don't know. but some people really enjoy i guess. sometimes it's really frustrating because i got to rush to his class after work knowing there're works piled high on my desk and that day he'd discuss just 3-5 pages maybe. i then attended michael's irc for p3 because i wasn't confident in passing the paper. his teaching is good. his note is good. i've learnt a lot, really a lot, in just 3 days, amazing. i didn't know he got something called taught course. otherwise i'd go. i'm very sure his 4 days taught course (4 days i guess) can cover whole syllabus. because he could cover all important topics in the 3 days irc i attended besides discussing cases and exam techniques. so i'm sure he can do a lot more with the another 4 days. but i need to know about p2. any info on p2? comments on lecturers? thanks! Oh and she covers a crazy amount of PYQs especially during her revision class. Sometimes the revision could end as late as 10pm. But no complains because she is also sacrificing her time to help us. QUOTE(oOoproz @ Dec 16 2013, 04:31 AM) P2 and P3 next sem... Should I take p3 after result?? what do u think? I scare i can't catch up only Why take after results? Is there a purpose or just want to take an extra 2 months break? I'm pretty sure P3 wouldn't be a problem to catch up. It's mostly theory which you can get by reading the textbook. Classes aren't even a must for this subject in my opinion.This post has been edited by nick67: Dec 16 2013, 11:18 AM |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 16 2013, 11:21 AM) Wait a second, you mean can we self-study for P3? But I heard it is the most difficult paper among P1, P2 and P3 Oh no my friend, for me its P2 which is the killer. Not because its difficult. But because the amount of things we need to cover in the syllabus. Ms Menon has showed me how the examiner can ask even the most minute detail in any standard. Seriously, its almost as if if you didn't know the standard thoroughly you would get caught there. Of course, you can just study tips and pray it comes out, but to play it safe you would have to cover everything inside and out which is not easy.For P3, I only studied about 1-2 weeks before finals because I was focusing on P2. I ended up passing P3 (although in the 50s). P3 is mostly theory. Just keep writing and you'll be fine. I didn't even mention a single model in my exam. Maybe for other people P3 might be more difficult. From my own experience, this is not the case. |
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QUOTE(CLian @ Dec 16 2013, 06:56 PM) What do you mean? Are you asking if extra practice (BPP) is necessary if you are under Menon? No definitely not. Never heard any of my friends do that. I'd be surprised if you had extra time to do BPP questions as well unless you are very hardworking and if that's the case, by all means do so. |
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QUOTE(CLian @ Dec 16 2013, 10:24 PM) I see i see. P1 and P3 are heavily based on theory. Mr Goh's style is to read the textbook and elaborate all the points in there. He says he is afraid student who just memorize the textbook couldn't elaborate in exam so he elaborates all the points. So basically you'll be writing down everything he dictates which may be rather excessive. He will be confident in giving tips, claiming its 100% accurate and that he guarantees it. Take it with a pinch of salt because his predictions were completely off for my sem. Also he is a family man so sometimes he may be a little late in the morning because dropping his kids to school Because i have just done the f7, f8 & f9 final in the recent sitting. For f7, i wouldnt have time for BPP questions, while for f8 & f9, i managed to do them. Btw, what about P1 & P3? I will b under Mr Goh & Mr Dineesh. Mr Dinesh, brother of Ms Menon but totally opposite character..Sometimes I find him a little lazy. And its boring so I always space out in class. Oh and sometimes he pretends he is super strict and just call you out for the littlest thing that you do such as highlighting while he's talking. Don't be late for his class unless you are prepared to be embarrassed in front of everyone else. All in all, with these 2 papers you could do a lot by reading the textbook yourself because its essentially what they do in class. QUOTE(mayonnaiseeeee @ Dec 17 2013, 12:01 AM) yes menon but sunway is too far. but i'm still thinking. i've narrowed my choices down to 2, either joe fang or menon. struggling. i'm curious to know the fastest conso method by joe fang. hahaha. nick, thank you very much for telling me about menon. i like lecturers who crazily cover pyq. lol. Ms Menon claims her conso method is the fastest and that no one else on the market is able to match her method. I truly believe this and she made it pretty easy to follow the steps (what to look out for, which figures go where, which needs adjustments etc). She's really good if you can handle the stress of being in her class. She's fierce in front of the class but when you see her face to face she's really nice and friendly. She stays back a while after class so that students can ask her questions. Most importantly, her tips are awesome.hello people please actively share lecturers' teaching style. i'm sure it's in high demand now. lol. |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 17 2013, 11:07 AM) Have you seen Martin Jones conso method? That one looks kinda straight forward. I don't know how Ms Menon teaches however, I am studying under Martin and practicing the basic conso questions of P2 which roughly takes me 20 mins to finish the question by using his method Nope, Ms Menon's one works for me so I didn't bother to look elsewhere. If you are happy with Martin's one I suggest you just stick to it. Looking at other lecturer's method may confuse you. |
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QUOTE(JusTaTin @ Dec 17 2013, 10:21 PM) Hey guys, so I just finished my accounting degree at INTI Nilai (collab with Uni. of Hertfordshire) and am seriously thinking about taking ACCA at either INTI subang or Sunway. Those are tuition providers. ACCA is flexible in the sense that you can go anywhere (or don't go) to study and take the exams. I've seen a lot of other places offering ACCA as well, like Kasturi and such and was wondering what these places are all about? Are these like tuition centres and do I need to take lessons from a few different places for different papers? Hope someone will be able to answer my questions. Any suggestions and answers to clear my doubts would be extremely helpful. Thanks. All those you mention are tuition providers. Some are smaller ones such as Kasturi. |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 18 2013, 09:02 AM) I am not informed about them but I keep myself up-to-date and have enough knowledge to debate with different people. I have always been saying stuff about Francis Braganzia, Rob Sowerby, Martin Jones etc. who would never be coming to M'sia and they are really some awesome lecturers. Why do you hate Spencer so much? I didn't say that local lecturers are nothing rather my point was that how can you compare the local non-native English speakers with the Natives and then saying that locals are better!!!!! I know many of the M'sians prefer the local lecturers because of their accent which is easier to understand. As regards to scoring better and having a better pass rate, this is nothing to praise them since passing is all the effort of the student. The lecturer can just make the topic easier to understand. Firstly, I don't agree with you that UK lecturers have lower pass rates as compared to the local ones. But just assume it is, then the reason behind it is that many people here find it difficult to understand the UK accent. I have done some research and I have got to know that students,in schools, are taught the American Accent and that vary quite a lot and many students aren't even good in English and are used to BROKEN English. Well if Spencer was that great, then he shouldn't have been ignoring questions asked by my friend so I highly doubt his qualities. Rather I would love to give the example of Joey Wong here,under whom I studied F8. He marked more than 50 answers I did and submitted to him every week. He never said that he is busy or anything. He answered all the questions I asked in class and some of them were kinda silly as well. He NEVER ignored!!! Then why did Spencer? Okay do me a favor, take one of your local lecturer, lets take Spencer since everyone is in LOVE with him and do a simple comparison of his performance in F9 with Elliot Betts and conclude who is better! I been under him for a short while for P5 and I find him good. He speaks good English, he can relate what he is teaching with some of his real life experience, he provides mind maps of key words and teaches us how to elaborate using his mind map which makes it super easy to study, he DOES take questions from students, he focuses on the theory part rather than calculation (unlike other certain lecturers) which is important for P5 and in his class, time feels like it just flies. Many of my classmates felt that he is good as well. QUOTE(pynic @ Dec 18 2013, 09:40 AM) My friend was in the same situation. He took P2 and failed F7. Then he took them both together, and passed P2 while failing F7 again. Yes there is some overlap in F7 and P2 but I never felt that F7 is essential knowledge for P2. |
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QUOTE(donizback @ Dec 18 2013, 10:39 AM) I didn't say I hate Spencer and why would I? Haha, don't know. Just that your replies seem to dislike him. Well, I think you didn't understand what I said. I didn't say anything to him as regards to English. He might be good but my friends tell me that he used to ignore students' queries which is kinda bad and insulting in the class. Talking about the mind maps, go to mapitaccountancy.com, see you would get the free mind maps from there from some English lecturer and when reading Spencer's F7 notes, these mind maps were somewhat the same as those ones lol Now please don't say that mapitaccountancy lecturer copied Spencer's mind maps!!!! Anyway, Spencer showed us the software he used to create the mindmaps and such. He even went through some emails he exchanged with the creator of the software to show us how useful it is. So I don't think he copied anybody and made his own. Not sure why he ignored your friend's questions. I hate lecturers who does that too but I have heard of some questions asked in class which would blow your mind (not in a good way). Also, maybe your friend should have asked him privately after class. Sometimes its hard for the lecturer to answer a question that may potentially This post has been edited by nick67: Dec 18 2013, 05:59 PM |
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QUOTE(mayonnaiseeeee @ Dec 20 2013, 12:05 PM) a friend of mine took his p2 in sunway and it was about RM4.5K my gosh! Wow the fees for one paper increased that much? was thinking to go there for p2 as well but then when i know the fee i was like huh? just yesterday night i decided to try spencer. seriously hoping he's ok for p2. i hope. i hope. i hope. If I recall it was like 1.3k for P papers. |
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