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meteoraniac
post Jan 16 2014, 08:55 AM

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hi Sifus

may i know generally what is the minimum height required for installing cassette air con... or rather how much vertical space would a cassette ceiling air con would occupy?
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post Jan 21 2014, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Jan 16 2014, 12:14 PM)
Different cassettes model have different chassis height based on HP. 2-2.5HP falls between 22-28cm height. Anything more than 2.5HP typically range from 27-30cm in height. There are slimmer cassettes with 16-23cm height but those are not in this market yet.

For cassette, my take is the ceiling height 11' minimum with a 40-50cm drop for allowance in clearing beam height in situations where beams criss-cross installation location. Meaning that for some locations with beams criss-crossing, the pipes have to clear beneath the beam so the drop must accommodate that. The crucial one is the water outlet which usually goes to the nearest possible outlet either an outside wall (easiest) or toilet. The drain pipe must drop in a gentle slope and hence they don't necessarily have to be drained where the compressor is if it's not the nearest. So the false ceiling must take drainage slope into account.
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hi halcyon27,

Thank you for the detailed explanation. Looks like I have to look for other alternatives since my ceiling height is pretty low at 9.5 ft sad.gif To add insult to injury, there is beams surrounding the installation location so have to compensate on my ceiling height even lower..


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post Feb 16 2014, 04:13 PM

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Hi would like to have some opinion on the proposed layout of the aircon

Initially I've had plans to install cassette ceiling air con but due to the limited height space, i had to forego the plan and instead install 2 wall mounted aircons

I was wondering if the below is sufficient for coverage?

its 24 ft wide and 70 ft long, but the net length is probably 50 or so as I have separated the dry and wet kitchen (previously the yard) with glass partition

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This post has been edited by meteoraniac: Feb 16 2014, 04:14 PM
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post Feb 17 2014, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Feb 16 2014, 04:20 PM)
1.5hp instead to 1hp.
The rest follow your location  rclxms.gif

The option is remain your idea, then can choose1.5hp or 2hp to switch on diff. Place
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thanks, 1.5hp seems big for an area that small. good idea smile.gif


QUOTE(supersound @ Feb 16 2014, 11:13 PM)
Just 1 2HP for dining and living together, move the 2HP at your photo a bit more center.
Have the blower unit blow towards you are not a good idea.
Last time I also like this, but it is very cold.
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im not sure if 2 is sufficient to cover the area, but will check with the aircon technician, certainly save costs on purchasing another unit

thanks for the input
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post Feb 26 2014, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 24 2014, 09:41 AM)
Bro from this, i found out Daikin / York / Mitsubishi for 1 HP

Daikin is at 10.38 EER
York at 11.41 EER
Mitsubishi at 12.79 EER

which means Mitsubishi power consumption lower... and will save more am i right??
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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 24 2014, 05:35 PM)
panasonic then,
i do comparision between EER for few brand below already
Hitachi 12.80
Panasonic 12.56
Daikin 12.14
York 11.66
Mitsubishi 11.08
which means hitachi more electric saving (assuming all used in same condition and hour and etc)
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bro freestyler

how come the numbers are different?
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post Feb 26 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 26 2014, 09:32 AM)
dude it suppose to be different what... what kind of question u asked ? =.=
go read SEER rating.. and how to calculate
huh? dont understand u..
i tested yesterday night... with 25 degree... comfortable level.. dont owned a R22 before so i dont know R22 cooler or R410a
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first post Daikin is at 10.38 EER
second post Daikin is at 12.14

etc etc...

unless u r comparing different HP which you didnt state in one of the posts, then its understandable

i just trying to understand what your posts is all about
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post Feb 26 2014, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(freestyler87 @ Feb 26 2014, 09:57 AM)
oh my bad... actually i do 2 time of calculation

as u know inverter there are variable power / btu output..
the 1st one i calculate using the MAX power
and for the 2nd i calculate at the spec btu output..
to make it clear example as below:-

Daikin 1 HP R410a

btu/h 8,500 (4,100 - 10,900)
power consumption 0.70 (0.30 - 1.05)
1st calculation 10,900 divide by 1050Watt = 10.38 EER
2nd calculation 8500 divide by 700Watt =12.14 EER

so this is how i calculate.. i estimate the maximum and the recommended btu/h to see which 1 is the most high EER =)
thus power saving  icon_rolleyes.gif
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ok bro, that explains it clearly rclxms.gif

thanks biggrin.gif
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post Mar 16 2014, 09:30 AM

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i was doing my 2nd round of price checks before committing my purchase and interestingly air con prices have increased 20-40 bucks depending on the model since early march

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post Aug 5 2014, 09:09 AM

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Just bought Mitsubishi MS-GH17VC

Becareful when you are doing the piping and wiring for this model, as the indoor unit size is smaller than other brand's 2 HP. The aircon man will usually do the wiring/piping based on the HP. I didn't check on the dimension of this model and assumed to be the same as other 2 HP, end up have to hack and conceal the pipings again.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Aug 5 2014, 09:22 AM)
Yes, an important advice.

Mitsubishi Electric (Melco) is one of the brands for single split where 2.5HP is one size up than the rest. 3/8" (9.52mm) vs 1/4" (6.35mm) for liquid (returning to condenser) pipe.

The only other type is ceiling AC where crossing 2HP, have to beware like Melco that liquid pipe (returning to condenser) scenario: one size up.
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listen to this man rclxms.gif you seem like you have a fair share of experience in handling Melco's aircond..

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