previous thread : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/751278

we restart again here to be discussion on non inverter or inverter aircond for our living needs.

some data tips only, but price may asking for latest seller.

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This post has been edited by kimsim: Sep 28 2014, 07:09 PM

Acson and York both have external drainage pump products which can collect the condensate drain from indoor unit and pump out. Following please find the link to one of the Acson drainage pump.

http://www.acson.com.my/products/complemen...i-drainage-pump

Good job on both products, the only ugly look

Hi, wonder if you have a softcopy (.pdf or excel?) of that comparison chart? is quite hard for me to view it here.. Tks..

Yes I have both format, will create link and upload here by tonite.

yes, i need that too, appreciated that.

click on top main page already create a link for download in PDF format :
http://www.kimrovacstore.com/uploads/6/7/3...__sept_2010.pdf

got it, thanks.

Acson still using R22 gas. For my new unit, developer is giving free 5 x Acson non-inverter aircon, should I use Daikin inverter instead since using same gas?

If you can trade in higher value and top up to get Daikin

Having the same thought. Electricity tariff going up plus one of my aircon will be on 24/7, definitely need inverter.

Ha ha good luck

Just have a some tip here, if your Aircon was install back to back for sure to be remove all and choose for R410a gas inverter you can lagi save more and more cooler

This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 12 2013, 05:31 PM

hi kimsim...i read thru alot of ur comment and some of it i dont quite understand cos i am a noobie...however, i understand that from ur recommendation that misubishi INVERTER TYPE is the best. could u please explain more in detail? cos from the below seller link, it seems there are alot of types and it make me feel quite confused.. most imp i want something that can last long without giving me frequent headache (ie less maintenance is preferred)

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2704623/all

Mitsubishi have 2 brands, heavy industrial and Electric...

i would recommended you read more on MitsubishiElectric Mr Slim or StarMex inverter

In the first place.. Depend how much is your budget and which brand in your mind.

No matter how good of others ppls recommended at the end you still prefer that brand and model as your choice.



This post has been edited by kimsim: Dec 12 2013, 11:25 PM

i'm planning to install air corn at my home...

master bed room is about 14X15ft...issit sufficient with 1hp?planning for york i-Plasma.

then living hall is about 18X16ft...planning for york normal unit 1.5hp...

if both sufficient?as for the room will be using daily...maybe around 5-7hours at night...planning for inverter at 1st but shop say not much different if cannot meet room temperature and didn't use more than 8hours a day.

as for living hall will be using occasionally...like when have visitors or relative...

need some advise.

Thank You.

Just back from shop,got quoted rm980 for york iPlasma 1HP with installation...rm1180 for york normal aircorn 1.5HP with installation.is the price ok?cash terms...if credit card need to charge 2%.

yup it's reasonable.

Ok,so far this shop is cheapest i got for york.another shop 2200 without installation.

Any one here use hi sense? how is this brand and their reliability? So far its the cheapest i found instore for 1hp.

Just bought Panasonic 2.5hp fr ESH in SS2 rm2280, w/o install. Quoted Daikin at rm2150, so I think they are cheap, compared to another I asked. Now Panasonic got free gift. Bought an inverter fridge too also Panasonic. Rm2799.

The a/c is normal type, coz the sales guy told me if I don't use for more than 5 hrs, inverter doesn't save much. In my case, I don't hv the habit to use a/c much, so I drop the inverter idea. But fridge is important to hv inverter, coz 24/7.

hey guys ! i'm looking for Mitsubishi air con and do you guys know where got sell Mitsubishi air con ? Around Klang valley area I'm looking for Mitsubishi air con with I-see sensor

you can check on their website for authorised dealers actually.

Dear xifu..
Living room + dining room 15 X 25 X 9 feet height.. I know it need 2.0 hp.. But usage is average 3 to 4 hours a day.. For 2 couple.. Air con will install in living room and blow at very close range at sofa.. Dear xifu.. I definitely will felt cold.. And not concern that the whole living room must be cold.. Now.. the bigger the hp.. The more the electric it will consume.. So.. Can I save more electric by install 1.5 hp.. And blow for 3 to 4 hours.. Or 2hp that consume more electric.. And blow on and off for 3 to 4 hours?? Dear xifu.. Please advise..

We bought a 1HP Mitsubishi - Mr.Slim from OnKing last year. Quite good.. in term of electricity and cost saving

ooh ! i just saw it! thanks

yeahh ! the feedback from my friends using Mitsubishi is quite good normally how long do you service your aircon?

Aiyo...Pat07, if you think you will stay in the sofa and dun move around.. of coz a direct blowing is good enough for you lor... i think even 1HP is sufficient oredi... But the thing is, with a small cc to support the temperature of a big space, can it stand for long hours...? If you dun mind and just want to save cost, then 1HP i think is sufficient for you...

if it's underpowered it will run on full power lor. So, consumption max. if higher hp it'll probably work 20% lesser than underpowered ones because it'll stop working when the temperature is reached. More hp, faster cooling... So, do the math la between the models. if you only want cold air blow to you only on one spot then underpowered should be ok la, if whole place you definitely you need higher hp.

Hi

I'm looking for a 1hp air cond.

I got a quote from a chain store: mitsubishi 1hp at rm1100 and Panasonic at rm1000. Heard that Daikin is also good but no price,

Appreciate comments about quality vs price. Piping n cables already installed.

I always thought Panasonic is good until the store guy told me Mitsubishi is #1, and Daikin #2 in the world.

Somehow Panasonic adverisement better in Msia ?

Thanks.

not sure if you are asking in the right sub-forum.. anyway if about cooling performance, mitsubishi and daikin is the best. Panasonic are all about energy saving.

how about York?

Is york good? Bought over by daikin....

I had Panasonic 1.5, it's ok but when we plan to purchase electronic we always look for the pro..means to said their sole business it aircond instead of many others..that way they are more focus and better...recently had three more york newly install..not bad..you might want to try it out..best of luck

york = daikin.. both company are related in somehow.

I'm also looking to buy a 1hp aircond. My kolig say buy Mitsu can vroom2

york is very good, cheap and abundant spare part. good cooling performance but little down on electric saving.

funny thing alot of ppl telling me the same thing. even those people from aircond industry.

i guess their quality is really top notch.

i guess now no need to choose la buy mitsubishi only

is rm1100 a fair price?

1hp - cheapest model ....

with mitsu aircond u can do regular vacuuming the indoor blower area to ensure optimal air flow hence saving more electric n also save expensive regular aircond service charges.. the brilliant design of mitsu allows easy DIY cleaning, really save $$..

cheers.

What is different daikin FTE25KV1 & FT25HV1?
Which one is better performance?

Is the RM1100 for inverter/non-inverter?
Is it plasma/non-plasma?
Included installation?
Which chain store u went to?
Which area u live? Perhaps LYN forumer here can suggest stores that sell cheaper aircond near your location.

I suggest you to survey price in 2-3 shops before commit in the purchase.
Fyi, I bought 1.0HP mitsubishi (MSFG10VC) , non-inverter, with plasma, without installation - RM1100.

This post has been edited by maxxon: Dec 26 2013, 12:14 PM

hello, I also consider between panasonic, mitsubishi n daikin. but had been told panasonic after sales, service now slow. mitsubishi n daikin is better, just daikin no energy saving.is it true? any 1 can share? n where can get cheaper price??

The price i got- mitsubishi rm1100, panasonic rm1000 incl installation!

Cheapest model in the range i guess,

i think daikin uses one of the lowest input power. you can check mitsu and daikin's page for info. either brands you won't go wrong. only daikin spare parts expensive but im not too sure about mitsubishi's spare parts.

the last time i checked around kepong area it's around rm9xx for most brand's basic 1hp non inverter.
if you live around pj area then i guess you can check out jintex. their prices are pretty competitive too.

My friend got RM900 + RM180 installation, in kepong.

I think I get cheaper in PJ.
hmm...if u live near pj, u may want to check out jintex like suggested above and also Happy SS2 and D'Legend, which both the latter are at the same row with Murni restaurant.

Guys what do you think about Panasonic's CS-S10PKH Inverter air con? Planning to replace my faulty Hitachi air con.

Hi, I read from Panasonic's website spec saying that min. thickness for the piping is 0.6mm, I am wondering if 1.0mm thickness tube makes any difference. Are they ok to use?

Also, the water drain pipe, how can it be insulated to prevent watermarks on the wall? Or during the plastering, mix the cement with waterproof material?

I am referring to the inverter model

today just bought York L series 1hp= 900 w installation. come with free gift seagull pot n steamer.

Hi Bro, can share the store info? I think that's quite good price for 1.5hp York.

I'm thinking to use non-inverter 1.5hp(or even 1hp) for blowing cool air only. My living room is connected to dining place and also the kitchen. I think there is no point to install inverter and higher hp Aircon Coz the whole area will never get cool below 25c. So even higher power Aircon will work at 100% capacity. I just want to use the Aircon during friends and family visit so they don't feel like in 35c.

Do you guys think it's a good idea?

my aircon in kitchen area is installed in a place where it is being blocked by the sliding door track thingy (the rod to hold d hanging door),kenot open the air cond casing cover to do any maintenance on the unit.trying to avoid getting the sliding door guys to cut the track shorter as this means the sliding door will jut out by abt 6 inches from the side of the opening.
asked the air con man to shift the air con prolly less than half a foot to the left of its original pposition,he sed need to hack wall blah blah blah..true ?or is he bullshitting me?

i bought samsung inverter aircond from seng heng...the problem is when i switched on the aircond for sleeping, the next morning i have nasty headache...could be leaking gas?

If your copper, drain pipe are conceal, may required to hack. Sometime depend you moving inward to the copper and drain pipe or outward.

Could be from an overly strong plasma ionizer function? Does it have UV? I know I'm sensitive to that for too long. How cold you set it?

piping is concealed..move a few inches oso need hacking?i dont get the second half of your reply..can u elaborate on the moving inward/outward ?

if concealed then sure got hacking. unless u plan to display your pipe outside your kitchen wall. it depends on the situation really. no picture a bit hard to give suggestion also.

If Pipes are on the left, and move toward the left for 1" or 2" don't need to hack because the blower unit have some tolerance and accept few inches difference. If pipes are on the left and move to the right the distance will be longer sure need to relocate.

Did you in earlier tell the contractor what you intend to put. I told my contractor need to do plaster ceiling and the estimate drop down, they will know how to adjust the piping.

Is all the new houses now those concealed piping meant for non inverter or inverter. If it is non inverter, any solution if I am to install inverter one?

Mitsubishi inverter is very reliable... cooling power is strong too... Used for 5 yrs already...

HEHE..NO DIN TELL COZ OSO DIN EXPECT TO PUT SLIDING DOOR THERE..MANA TAU PUT THAT POSITION,NO COOL AIR FLOW TO WHERE IT WAS INTENDED,ALL LARI TO LIVING AREA =(

sorry accidentally turn caps lock on..no intention to shout/be rude =D

i end up choosing another brand and contractor...use the contractor that is recommended by my office mate...choose Daikin inverter 1.5HP with installation 1800 then 1.5HP Panasonic basic unit for RM1450 ( this is expensive coz need to conceal the piping )...will install in 2 weeks time as the house is still under minor renovation and repaint job need to be done 1st.

Had been using 1.5Hp and 2.5Hp Daikin inverter for 5 years.... no problem... and lasting.

Anyone got any experience on Panasonic Econavi CS-C9PKH 1.0HP to share?
is it ok at RM 1150? exclude installation..

Previously, most of the concealed piping is for non-inverter. But you can use Daikin inverter because it use older gas that's compatible with non-inverter piping.

But now maybe some newer house already got inverter concealed piping. You should check first.

Having been the user of MSY-GE10VA for a few years now, running on super quiet mode 19dB. I'm in need of another aircon, is the Sharp AHXP10NRV super quiet? The measured rating is 37dB but could that be when it's on high speed?

I'm interested in sharp for the 'popular' plasmacluster and most importantly gentle cool. I don't like air being blown directly. Cold air is nice, but not blowing cold air.

So criteria

1. Super dead silent
2. Low air flow, not blowing directly.


Any advice?

Hi,

Saw a lot comment bout usage of inverter and non-inverter AC.
In my opinion for Inverter it is suitable for bedroom or enclosed area. It is not suitable for living room since there is a lot of air leakage for example to living hall, kitchen and etc since there is no door to enclosed the cold air inside.

As a result the set temperature cannot be achieve hence the compressor will always running.

For your info comparing power consumption:
Daikin Inverter R410 Model FTKS35 = 300W-1400W
Daikin Non Inverter R410a Model FTN35 = 1042W

As you notice from above data Inverter full load power consumption is higher compare with non-inverter BUT if you use it at room when the room temperature is achieve you will save on it.

Yup, u are rite.... Living is too big and open, indeed it is difficult to reach the set temperature. Therefore inverter may not help to save energy unless the BTU is really much much larger than the space..

GE10VA is the perfect 1HP inverter aircon... Mine I had used for 5 years already... Never even service once, and it still works perfectly

Same as mine already coming 4 years now

OK thanks for confirming this observation. Wonder why the Sharp AHXP10V plasma in my kids room no maintenance after 3 years clean except for grill.

Three things that made me consider the Sharp are:
1. Gentle cool direct air towards ceiling which when combined with fan at 1-2 speed only require AC operation at 28 degrees even on hot days. Wind chill effect with fan brings it down to 27 and some spots 26. All this verifiable with indrect point and scan thermometer like what they use at airport arrival terminal. Just scan on bed surface.

2. Self clean - dries the condensing unit plus plasma cluster reduce mould growth.

3. R410A (Puron) gas has better efficiency giving high COP. R22 only can get 40% at most (Daikin newest generation R22 inverter FTKDnnGVM) while R410A higher.

Also a health lesson I learned from my friend in SG. Never leave AC below 27 for esp children. It dries up their lungs really fast and they get asthma very easily. Same goes for older adults. Just leave it 27 with low speed fan. No need for humidifier - our climate already so humid why encourage mould to grow in room. Best combo I discover is AC with sleep mode with fans like Panasonic Bayu or Nami (or their KDK equivalent) which also has sleep mode up to 8 hours max.

Fellas, how quiet is Sharp when it's set to quiet operation? Is it quieter than Daikin @ quiet/lowest operation?

or how much louder is it compared to Mitsubishi?

You r right.

So far in the specs no such brand can compare to Mitsubishi inverter at quietest mode on 19db only for normal mode start from 21db.. The rest on LG inverter will do the same and how bout others brand.

Sharp's gentle cooling is very tempting... but i won't give up silence for gentle cooling.. if someone could share their experience on sharp's quiet operation...

In singapore most of user complain share really worst on quality and noisy.

kimsim: so amongst all, mitsubishi is still the best?

i think u r rite, overly strong plasma ionizer function...i normally set to 23-26 degree..not use to aircon..i

Actually you can find more 90% used everyday Aircon in s'pore of HDB flat.

So they can made a long complain list of any brand there's.

Can easily google SG renotalk

I just bought 2 York air condition units. Their warranty need to be registered online. I've registered the indoor unit but can't a site for the external unit. anyone has any idea?

Call back to where u bough from and ask about the shop only.

Thanks very much for your advice. That was the very first thing I did as it requires much less time for me to log on here and type and ask. Obviously I got the same/expected/usual answer of "Just come back to us, don't worry". I don't think they are even aware of the online warranty thing.

I strongly believe are all familiar with some of the services in Malaysia (not generalising, only some). They say that when they sell you stuff. When problem arises, "Oh you should have blah blah blah..I don't have black and white blah blah blah"


I'm trying to avoid that and go directly via the distributor/manufacturer since the service is provided.

Can anyone figure out my 2-3 year old air con is making a loud clanking/clicking/ticking/knocking/mechanical sound every 2-3 mins or so? Its a york 1HP model if that helps.

Any idea how to fix or how to avoid in the future?

bearing problem ??

I do agree with you up to certain extent. However, direct dealing shall depends on the items which you are dealing with. For some home appliances like your microwave, washing machine, refridgerator, TV etc, it can be direct contact or send to the main distributor/manufacturer for warranty. However, for items like Air-Cond, it required some skills to dismantle the unit, hence, calling a distributor directly may not be the best solution.

I personally feels that, it is best to get a shop with good reputation and after sales service, of cause, sometimes their price might be slightly higher but it will save you lots of troubles when anything happened. This is similar to buying insurance product, but nowadays, consumers main concern is only focused on 1) PRICE, 2) PRICE, and 3) also PRICE.
Therefore, when problems arises, then only start to regret .

Just register indoor unit will do, the outdoor will auto cover with indoor unit.

Agree with you on this. I end up taking another contractor to install my air cond...is much more expensive...i nego the price down until the stage he say if you nego some more i need to use china made and low quality pipes...

Lol. Everybody need to cari makan. I believe you can get a few quote, and that will give you an indicative of the market price. Sometimes, expensive not necessary the better one. However, friends & family experience, and forumers experience, can help on getting some good contractors/seller.

Finally, an answer. thank you very much.

Yup,this is reccomand by office friend...

hi Sifus

may i know generally what is the minimum height required for installing cassette air con... or rather how much vertical space would a cassette ceiling air con would occupy?

hie all,

anyone hear of aircon price increase after cny, or simply assume everything increase after cny? lol

Different cassettes model have different chassis height based on HP. 2-2.5HP falls between 22-28cm height. Anything more than 2.5HP typically range from 27-30cm in height. There are slimmer cassettes with 16-23cm height but those are not in this market yet.

For cassette, my take is the ceiling height 11' minimum with a 40-50cm drop for allowance in clearing beam height in situations where beams criss-cross installation location. Meaning that for some locations with beams criss-crossing, the pipes have to clear beneath the beam so the drop must accommodate that. The crucial one is the water outlet which usually goes to the nearest possible outlet either an outside wall (easiest) or toilet. The drain pipe must drop in a gentle slope and hence they don't necessarily have to be drained where the compressor is if it's not the nearest. So the false ceiling must take drainage slope into account.

[Dear sifus,

I am currently looking for air cons to install in 4 bedrooms and living room. I have done all the concealed copper piping and the wiring and paid a huge sum for it to the developer for these additional work. Now, I find all the money spent might be a waste as most air con comes price include installation. Only one was willing to reduce RM 50 per aircon unit. Another suggested to get air cons from the the air con piping installer. I managed to get hold of them but they do not have he brand I wanted. Is it wise to buy the air con and get them to install them or let someone to do the whole thing?
Thanks.

what brand are you looking for? btw even you do all conceal piping, remember that the aircond still have a lot of work to do...they need to mount the aircond, mount the compressor, connect the piping you install, readjust if it is not enough length and also install the wiring... conceal is only part of it...

i have the same thinking as you that installing aircond is easy simple installtation, but after i saw the installation at my house today, is no easy simple job...need to be cautious and tidy...or else will have problem later...mine simple installation as compressor and blower unit is very near...but still took almost 3 hour... this is with the wiring done and no piping conceal...

for your info i bought my aircond from the installer straight...1.5HP daikin inverter and 1.5 panasonic basic unit...i didnt go thru any shops.

This post has been edited by cavaliars: Jan 16 2014, 06:20 PM

Earlier, I was using non-inverter air conditioner, but then on the recommendation from an experienced technician from ac repair vero beach, I bought inverter for my air conditioner as it maintain the voltage and also protects my ac from unwanted fluctuations.

Hey Sifus,

May I kindly know what is the best brand for 1hp & 1.5hp A/C and what is the price?

Thanks.

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